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    1. Re: [ANGUS] Jessie Stewart b. 1825 Lintrathan, Scotland m. David Lighton Kingoldrum
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Webster Stewart Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5569.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am interested to learn if your James Webster goes back to a John Webster and Isobel Lunan. If so, I can provide additional details. I do know that my Webster's intermarried at various times with Stewart's. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

    05/12/2009 08:44:08
    1. Re: [ANGUS] Jessie Stewart b. 1825 Lintrathan, Scotland m. David Lighton Kingoldrum
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dicrough Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5569.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My Brechin OPR transcriptions (pre 1855) list 4 children - Mary Ann in 1849, William Gray in 1850, Elizabeth Stewart in 1852, and James Haynes in 1854. The 1851 census indicates James was born in Menmuir, and Margery in Leith, Midlothian. Let me know if you would like more detail. Ian Rough Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

    05/12/2009 06:58:48
    1. Re: [ANGUS] David Robbie m. Isabel Duncan
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: igammage Surnames: Duncan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5568.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Interesting. Do you know the parents for Isabel Duncan, please? I have an Isabel Duncan born 1752 Edzell to John Duncan and Margaret Christison. Many thanks. Cheers, Ian Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

    05/12/2009 06:11:23
    1. Re: [ANGUS] Help required
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5574.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Any use? Name: Thomas M Aitken Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Christina Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil Parish: St Andrew County: Angus Address: 65 Main Street Occupation: Jute Rope Iaver ED: 56 Household schedule number: 151 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1901_103 Household Members: Name Age Thomas M Aitken 26 Christina Aitken 22 Lumphanan, Aberdeenshire Samuel Aitken 2 Dundee, Forfarshire Christina Aitken 10mo Dundee, Forfarshire Williamina Stewart 27 boarder Jute Mill Worker Dundee, Forfarshire Parish: St Andrew; ED: 56; Page: 34; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1901_103; Year: 1901. Name: Thomas M Aitken Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relationship: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Renfrewshire Registration Number: 644/14 Registration district: Kinning Park Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan County: Lanarkshire Address: 4 Matilda Road Occupation: Scholar ED: 40 Household schedule number: 57 Line: 17 Roll: CSSCT1891_298 Household Members: Name Age Hugh W Aitken 26 Head Glasgow Lizzie M Aitken 24 sister Mary C Aitken 20 sister William W Aitken 18 Brother Thomas M Aitken 17 brother Jane M M Aitken 15 sister Martha Chalmers 28 Housemaid Helen Coulter 17 cook Parish: Glasgow Govan; ED: 40; Page: 17; Line: 17; Roll: CSSCT1891_298; Year: 1891. Name: Thomas M Aitken Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Thomas M Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Govan, Lanarksh Registration Number: 644/14 Registration district: Kinning Park Civil Parish: Glasgow Kinning Park County: Lanarkshire Address: Netherlea Occupation: Scholar ED: 39 Household schedule number: 48 Line: 21 Roll: cssct1881_251 Household Members: Name Age Thomas M Aitken 52 Retd mechanical Engineer Eaglesham, Renfrewshire Elizabeth Aitken 45 Glasgow, Lanarksh. Agnes Aitken 18 Glasgow, Lanarksh. Hugh W Aitken 16 Glasgow, Lanarksh. Elizabeth Aitken 14 Glasgow, Lanarksh. Mary C Aitken 10 Glasgow, Lanarksh. William W Aitken 8 Govan, Lanarksh Thomas M Aitken 7 Govan, Lanarksh Jane Mc O Aitken 5 Govan, Lanarksh Agnes Mc N Caldwell 19 general servant Parish: Glasgow Kinning Park; ED: 39; Page: 15; Line: 21; Roll: cssct1881_251; Year: 1881. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

    05/12/2009 04:49:42
    1. [ANGUS] Help required
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: NannieBB Surnames: Bremner, Aitken, Ogg Classification: marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5574/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for parents of my ggparents ~ Thomas Melville Aitken, Rope Tarrer (Tanner)and Christina Bremner. Married May 3rd 1897 Dundee. Apparently, Christina was subsequently Ogg, so I presume she was married before. Address in 1903 was 43 Strathmartine Road, Dundee. Also looking for siblings of Charles McDonald Aitken their son. May also have step siblings of Cissie, Zina and a brother. The brother went to America and was apparently a Biscuit magnet! Thomas and Christina's address in 1924 was 149 Denbeath, Wemys Regards NannieBB Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

    05/12/2009 01:31:55
    1. Re: [ANGUS] Stewarts in Kirriemuir
    2. What information do you already have and what are you looking for? I have a very distant connection to the family through various connecting marriages, but not a direct line by any means. William STEWART was born about 1809 in Lintrathan, and I haven't been able to get back to his parents. I have him and his family in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses in Kirriemuir. There should be a death record for him, but since I don't seem to have found it, it was probably after 1875 (since I've been through the 1855-1875 deaths on LDS films). Of their children, James married Mary Ann ROBERTSON in 1859, she was daughter of William Robertson and Jessie LAWSON. They had at least one child, Jessie, in 1858, before their marriage. John married Mary Ann BEGG in 1866. She was the daughter of George Begg and Mary GRANT. Mary Grant was the daughter of John Grant and Janet MITCHELL. Alexander married Isabella DAVIDSON in 1873. Isabella was the daughter of Donald Davidson and Catherine FORBES. Irene, in Michigan **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322936x1201367173/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =Mayfooter51209NO115)

    05/12/2009 06:59:45
    1. Re: [ANGUS] Alexander MURRAY Lost Parents
    2. Lyn Hansch
    3. Hi Margaret, There were two Alexander Murrays born in Dundee at that time. Alexander Murray born 11 May 1794 Chris. 26 June 1794 parents Alexander Murray & Ann Brown Alexander Murray born 14 June 1795 Chris. 21 June 1795 parents William Murray & Sussana Galloway. If Alexander died after 1855 his death record from Scotlands People will be the best avenue to take. Lots of their records are not on the IGI. Hope this helps some. Regards Lyn 2009/5/12 Christopher Cook <cwrhc@hotmail.com> > > Hi Everyone, > I have just joined this list, and was hoping that someone could help me as > I have a problem. > I have an Alexander MURRAY born 1799 Dundee, married 1826 at Dundee, to > Mary BISSET, born 1799, Dundee. They had six children, 1]. Mary Nicoll, born > 1827 Dundee, 2]. George Newall born 1829 Dundee, 3]. John born 1831 Dundee, > 4]. James Cargill, born 1833 Aberdeen, 5]. Andrew born 1836, Aberdeen, 6]. > Jane Dow, born 1839, Aberdeen. > My problem is that I cannot find Alexander MURRAY's parents. I have using > the traditional naming pattern, but I cannot find a marriage between a > George MURRAY and a Jane.......... , who had a son Alexander, born Dundee, > 1799 etc. I have tried using the names Nicoll, Newall, Cargill and Dow, all > without sucess, and any other names you can possibly think of!! > Does anyone have any idea, what to do next, and does anyone know of this > above family? > Regards, > Margaret > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    05/12/2009 05:47:03
    1. Re: [ANGUS] Early maps of Errol
    2. Gavin Bell
    3. In addition to what Bruce has said on the very useful set of old maps available at the National Library of Scotland website: http://www.nls.uk/ I would encourage anyone wanting to get the best out of maps like "Thomson's Atlas" to use the "View with Plug-In" option. The first time you select this option, you will bedirected to the website: www.lizardtech.com from where you can download the "browser plug-in". This works fine with all Browsers that I have installed it on, and gives a rather better user interface to the maps ("right-click" on a map to bring up the options). Even if they didn't have all the other Goodies, the NLS site would be worth having for their version of the large-scale OS maps: http://www.nls.uk/maps/os/6inch/index.html which, compared to "old-maps.co.uk", offers (with two alternative user interfaces) a far superior way of interacting with the maps, which gives a pretty good on-screen image for free, and which offers both digital images and printouts for considerably less than Old-Maps. Gavin Bell

    05/12/2009 04:33:13
    1. Re: [ANGUS] Early maps of Errol
    2. Bruce Dorward
    3. In response to Mary's request for maps showing old place names in Errol and district I had a look at the maps I had recomended earlier (Further to Willonyards ... Maps) with some suggestions on how to find the specific area she was seeking. The maps are good, highly detailed ... and come in huge chunks that are rather difficult to navigate especially if you are not too familiar with the area. Mary tells me she has had several requests for the details and has suggested I post the detailed instructions on the list. I had previously suggested having a good modern map handy for reference. Mary tells me she managed with a motoring map she bought when visiting the area some years ago. This is what I sent Mary and it worked for her: You can see some of the places you are looking for on the maps I suggested yesterday. Thomson's Atlas is probably the easiest to navigate. This link might take you straight to it www.nls.uk/maps/atlas/thomson . If that doesn't work then: www.nls.uk digital library maps maps of whole of Scotland 1560-1928 (and scroll down a long list) Thomson's Atlas 1832 >From the menu that should appear look for Perthshire. [All areas of Scotland are available, Angus comes in two halves, north and south but the dividing line is rather arbitrary] Now comes the interesting bit, a test of your eyesight and knowledge of the area. The map comes in 4 sections, look at the bottom right one. In the top right corner of that you can make out the Firth of Tay, point to the place where it narrows and click, the full quarter map should now fill the screen. Point and click at a place where the river is still quite wide. The map will gradually enlarge until you can just make out Parish boundries and maybe read the larger names. You should be able to center on Errol. Note: each click enlarges the map a little and the enlargement is centered on the spot you point to. With a bit of fiddling you should get the Parish of Errol to fill most ot the map area and some of the place names you are looking for can be seen or there is a similar name. If you want to take this further try the hard way, use Roy's Military Map of 1747-55 http://geo.nls.uk/roy-highlands or proceed as before and scroll down the maps of Scotland for Roy's Military Map. At the bottom of the next panel you get the option of Highlands of Lowlands, choose Highlands. Now you have to find the Tay at the bottom right of the huge blank map, I got the Forth first attempt and finished up in Stirling. This thing works a bit like Multimap, there is a scale on the right for magnification (use it step by step or you tend to get lost) and a 4 direction pointer that moves you up, down or sideways. When you have found the Tay (Buddon Point should be easy) enlarge a little and work westward past Dundee (which is a very small place at that time) until you come to a lot of field outlines on the north bank. Enlarge that a little and start to look for familliar names. I found Errol House and worked on the surrounding area. Fiddly but worthwhile and you will see more of the names you want including Dyke of Murie, I think it is Dykeside of Murie. [Obviously I wrote this specifically to locate Errol. Other pointers worth noting for finding places in Angus are: Forfar is almost directly north of Dundee (straight up) so finding the Tay and Dundee is a good starting place. Glamis is west of Forfar (left), Kirriemuir north of Glamis and Eassie and Cupar Angus further west. Carnoustie, Arbroath and Montrose are probably easiest to find by following the coast. Brechin is almost directly inland, west, of Montrose or slightly north-east of Forfar (pan right and up a little).] Best of luck, Bruce D

    05/12/2009 03:30:00
    1. [ANGUS] Stewarts in Kirriemuir
    2. Victoria Sawchuk
    3. Am looking for relatives of William Stewart who married Margaret Chalmers in 1832 in Kirriemuir. Children of William and Margaret were James, David, Archibald, John, George, Alexander, Ann (Agnes) and Mary. Is anyone researching this line of the Stewart family? __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/

    05/12/2009 02:56:45
    1. Re: [ANGUS] Alexander MURRAY Lost Parents
    2. richard laurence
    3. Hi Margaret I think this is your family 1851 Scotland Census about Alexr Murray Name: Alexr Murray Age: 59 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1792 Relationship: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfar Parish Number: 168A Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Clements County: Aberdeenshire Address: 24 Summer Lane Occupation: Seaman ED: 3 Page: 83 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 407 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1851_37 Household Members: Name Age Alexr Murray 59 Mary Murray 50 Mary Murray 23 John Murray 19 James Murray 17 Andrew Murray 15 Jean Murray 12 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mary Murray Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name: Alexr Gender: Female Where born: Dundee, Forfar Parish Number: 168A Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Clements County: Aberdeenshire Address: 24 Summer Lane ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Mary Murray Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: Alexr Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Dundee, Forfar Parish Number: 168A Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Clements County: Aberdeenshire Address: 24 Summer Lane Occupation: House Servant ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: John Murray Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Alexr Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfar Parish Number: 168A Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Clements County: Aberdeenshire Address: 24 Summer Lane Occupation: Sailmaker --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: James Murray Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Alexr Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeensh Parish Number: 168A Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Clements County: Aberdeenshire Address: 24 Summer Lane Occupation: Sailmaker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Andrew Murray Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Alexr Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeensh Parish Number: 168A Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Clements County: Aberdeenshire Address: 24 Summer Lane Occupation: Painter ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Jean Murray Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: Alexr Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeensh Parish Number: 168A Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Clements County: Aberdeenshire Address: 24 Summer Lane Occupation: Scholar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Cook" <cwrhc@hotmail.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: [ANGUS] Alexander MURRAY Lost Parents > > Hi Everyone, > I have just joined this list, and was hoping that someone could help me as > I have a problem. > I have an Alexander MURRAY born 1799 Dundee, married 1826 at Dundee, to > Mary BISSET, born 1799, Dundee. They had six children, 1]. Mary Nicoll, > born 1827 Dundee, 2]. George Newall born 1829 Dundee, 3]. John born 1831 > Dundee, 4]. James Cargill, born 1833 Aberdeen, 5]. Andrew born 1836, > Aberdeen, 6]. Jane Dow, born 1839, Aberdeen. > My problem is that I cannot find Alexander MURRAY's parents. I have using > the traditional naming pattern, but I cannot find a marriage between a > George MURRAY and a Jane.......... , who had a son Alexander, born Dundee, > 1799 etc. I have tried using the names Nicoll, Newall, Cargill and Dow, > all without sucess, and any other names you can possibly think of!! > Does anyone have any idea, what to do next, and does anyone know of this > above family? > Regards, > Margaret >

    05/11/2009 02:50:37
    1. [ANGUS] Alexander MURRAY Lost Parents
    2. Christopher Cook
    3. Hi Everyone, I have just joined this list, and was hoping that someone could help me as I have a problem. I have an Alexander MURRAY born 1799 Dundee, married 1826 at Dundee, to Mary BISSET, born 1799, Dundee. They had six children, 1]. Mary Nicoll, born 1827 Dundee, 2]. George Newall born 1829 Dundee, 3]. John born 1831 Dundee, 4]. James Cargill, born 1833 Aberdeen, 5]. Andrew born 1836, Aberdeen, 6]. Jane Dow, born 1839, Aberdeen. My problem is that I cannot find Alexander MURRAY's parents. I have using the traditional naming pattern, but I cannot find a marriage between a George MURRAY and a Jane.......... , who had a son Alexander, born Dundee, 1799 etc. I have tried using the names Nicoll, Newall, Cargill and Dow, all without sucess, and any other names you can possibly think of!! Does anyone have any idea, what to do next, and does anyone know of this above family? Regards, Margaret

    05/11/2009 11:23:12
    1. Re: [ANGUS] [PERTHSHIRE] Early maps of Errol
    2. Gavin Bell
    3. BRUINSWOOD@aol.com wrote: >... > >I don't understand crofter vs. cottar, except I think one pays rent and the > latter barter for rent. > No, that's not the difference. Both would normally have paid rent (although some part of that rent might have been paid in the form of labour) and would have expected a certain amount of seasonal employment from the landlord. But while a Crofter had a small piece of ground (the Croft, probably no more than 10 acres) on which he could pasture a cow and grow some subsistence crops, the Cottar had, at most a "Kailyard" or small garden where he might at best grow some vegetables. >And then there are fues and bothy. > Not "fues" but "feus". These are a form of annual Ground Rent. Until quite recently, the system of land tenure in Scotland depended on the useful fiction that all land belonged ultimately to the Crown. The Crown would then allow an individual the use of a piece of land in return for certain specified "services". Originally, the service would have been the provision of soldiers to fight the King's wars, but over time, these were commuted to cash payments. The system sounds antiquated, but served pretty well in a number of ways. In the case of my house for example (built in 1897), the firm of builders which put it up had to start by taking the "feu" on the whole street, for which thay had to pay several hundred pounds annually to the "feudal superior" (the Town Council). The only way they were ever going to get anything back for this annual payment was if they built some houses on the land, and were, in turn, able to charge a much smaller "feu duty" on each of the occupants of the houses. So in this, the feudal system acted as a lever to make the builders get on with the development. Another useful feature of the system was the various limitations which each "superior" could enforce on his "vassals". Modern "town planning", or zoning different areas for different kinds of development, did not really come in until the 20th century. But the "feu disposition" (="title deeds") for my house forbid me from carrying out various anti-social activities such as brewing or soap-boiling, thus ensuring the residential status of the street. As for "bothy" - this was the building on a large farm where the unmarried farm servants lived, on a "self-catering" basis. An alternative on some farms was the "chalmer" (or "chamber"), where the unmarried men slept, their meals being supplied in the farm kitchen. Gavin Bell

    05/11/2009 03:23:39
    1. [ANGUS] 1837 Pigot & Co directory on google books
    2. Arlene Halme
    3. The Anglo Celtic Connections blog makes reference that the 1837 Pigot & Co Directory for Scotland is now on Google Books. You can link through the following. Pigot and Co's National Directory of the Whole of Scotland and of the Isle of Man, for the year 1837, is now available online for free at Google Books. Arlene

    05/11/2009 01:03:13
    1. [ANGUS] Cable family - properties in Angus
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: steelo Surnames: Cable, Kebel Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5573/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi folks, Just thought I would list some of the properties that the Cable family lived on through the 1800's and into the 1900's in some cases.Some are still in the family. Clocksbriggs Mill, once owned by David Dickson. Foresters Seat. Mid Dod. Turfbeg. Heatherstacks. East Carsebank. Glamis Mill. Murthill Mill. Cortachy West Mill (Robbie). Balbinnie (Morgan/Milne). I have found all these properties on the old maps but keen to share information with anyone who has an interest in them. Thank you. Regards Allan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

    05/10/2009 05:59:50
    1. Re: [ANGUS] [PERTHSHIRE] Early maps of Errol
    2. Gavin Bell
    3. BRUINSWOOD@aol.com wrote: >I found a book called "Scottish land-names; their origin and meaning "by >Sir Herbert Maxwell Bart, 1874. > >Does anyone have the book? Curious if it's really helpful. I found one for >$10...so am going to find out, but I'd cancel the order, if anyone knows >it's not helpful. > For $10 I would buy it. I have a copy, which I have yet to study in detail, but as ever, with a book of that age (although my copy bears the publication date "MDCCCXCIV" which translates to 1894, rather than 1874, a date which is confirmed by the Author's Introduction) I would read it with interest, but also with caution. No single source is ever likely to be the sole repository of wisdom - but may have something useful to contribute. Gavin Bell

    05/10/2009 04:36:02
    1. Re: [ANGUS] [PERTHSHIRE] Early maps of Errol
    2. Lesley Robertson
    3. > From: BRUINSWOOD@aol.com > Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:30:03 -0400 > To: perthshire@rootsweb.com; personal@dorrit41jbd.bbmax.co.uk; angus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] [PERTHSHIRE] Early maps of Errol > > I found a book called "Scottish land-names; their origin and meaning"by > _Sir Herbert Maxwell Bart_ If you go to the Internet Archive (http://www.archive.org/index.php) and feed the search engine with the words Scotland place names You'll be offered all sorts of goodies to download free. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ What can you do with the new Windows Live? Find out http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/default.aspx

    05/10/2009 03:07:37
    1. Re: [ANGUS] [PERTHSHIRE] Early maps of Errol
    2. Nivard Ovington
    3. Hi Mary You can get a copy for free from www.archive.org You will find many other books of interest there, try a search for a County or place Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) PS I have deleted the crossposted list name as I don't subscribe to Perth and it causes extra work for Admins >I found a book called "Scottish land-names; their origin and meaning"by > _Sir Herbert Maxwell Bart_ > (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author > =Sir%20Herbert%20Maxwell%20Bart) , 1874. > > Does anyone have the book? Curious if it's really helpful. I found one for > $10...so am going to find out, but I'd cancel the order, if anyone knows > it's not helpful. I got female homosexual for Dyke...which isn't any help > with a land term. > > Mary

    05/10/2009 02:45:54
    1. Re: [ANGUS] Early maps of Errol
    2. Anne Burgess
    3. > I've seen Dyke and Cottontown frequently, around several > villages. Any idea > what they the terms mean? In Scotland, a dyke is a wall. There is a parish named Dyke, its name said to have been derived from the dyke surrounding an ancient camp somewhere in the parish. Ah hae ma doots. A Cotton, cot-town, cotterton, cottarton and other variations is a house or houses occupied by cottars. A cottar or cotter is "a peasant occupying a cot or cottage for which he hjas to gibe labour" according to the dictionary. Many large farms had a cotterton or cotton associated with them. HTH Anne

    05/10/2009 01:27:10
    1. Re: [ANGUS] [PERTHSHIRE] Recommended books
    2. Gavin and list, Are there other books that people on the list have enjoyed, or use as a frequent reference. I love my Chamber's Broad Scot dictionary circa 1880. I never thought until now, I should be using it for place names, but it's downstairs in my larger library, so inconvenient as my mobility is so bad. I have book shelves in almost every room, but they are never "at hand". I appreciate your suggestion Gavin, that I should always have more than one source. It's kind of a "golden rule" for genealogy research. Mary In a message dated 5/10/2009 2:37:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, g.bell@which.net writes: BRUINSWOOD@aol.com wrote: >I found a book called "Scottish land-names; their origin and meaning "by >Sir Herbert Maxwell Bart, 1874. > >Does anyone have the book? Curious if it's really helpful. I found one for >$10...so am going to find out, but I'd cancel the order, if anyone knows >it's not helpful. > For $10 I would buy it. I have a copy, which I have yet to study in detail, but as ever, with a book of that age (although my copy bears the publication date "MDCCCXCIV" which translates to 1894, rather than 1874, a date which is confirmed by the Author's Introduction) I would read it with interest, but also with caution. No single source is ever likely to be the sole repository of wisdom - but may have something useful to contribute. Gavin Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002)

    05/10/2009 01:05:51