Hi Barbara As I said previously, your advice will go unseen as this was a gatewayed post, all you need to do is click the blue link in the posting and reply there Unless the board poster is also a list subscriber they will not see your advice which would be a pity Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Ross, > > Why not purchase 5GBPounds of units from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, which > gives 30 units to > use. > It takes 1 unit to view a list of persons born in an area in a time frame, > the, 5 units to view a > person's b.d.m., you are able to print a copy of the certificate. > These date from 1855, so possibly youd find James birth, census from 1861, > parents marriage & > death, & whether there are siblings. > Re: his parents could be on www.freecen.org.uk, > The pound equates to about $2.40 Aus, is worth every bit for records > available. > > Regards > Barbara, Melb. Aust. > apologies if earlier email was sent. > > > > On Mon, Jun 1st, 2009 at 8:57 PM, "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" > <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: RossThomas77 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5599.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Hi >> >> Thanks to all who have contributed to the understanding of my >> grandfather's past. From the two census data, it appears (to me) that >> his elder sister Jane took her younger siblings under her family roof

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bjmurray12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5599.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ross, Why not purchase 5GBPounds of units from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, which gives 30 units to use. It takes 1 unit to view a list of persons born in an area in a time frame, the, 5 units to view a person's b.d.m., you are able to print a copy of the certificate. These date from 1855, so possibly youd find James birth, census from 1861, parents marriage & death, & whether there are siblings. Re: his parents could be on www.freecen.org.uk, The pound equates to about $2.40 Aus, is worth every bit for records available. Regards Barbara, Melb. Aust. apologies if earlier email was sent. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alexander1590 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5599.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ross, I found this: 1901 census 175 high st Arbroath Elizabeth Thomas 49 head, born Dundee Dressmaker Annie Thomas 17 daughter, born England shoemakers machinist Jeannie Thomas 12 daughter, born Arbroath scholar Ann Y Morris 74, mother born Dundee. This might be your family, as you said Jean was younger than James. Also, in 1901 an Elizabeth Thomas nee Morris died in Arbroath aged 50. Good Luck Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5598.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you both. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Marlyn Hillbank Road is about half a mile east of Hill Street. I cannot find any Hillbank Street, either on Google maps or the 1857 Town Plan on the NLS website. It's also about the same distance from Powrie Place Colin > I haven't followed this thread. But was Hill Street = Hillbank > > Street?????? A ask because it is so closely associated w/POWRIE place ( > my > > family name).which appeared to be nearly, and I have POWRIEs born in > > Hillbank St. >

Hi Marilyn. no Hillbank Road ran from Dens rd to Cotton Rd wich was actually just a continuation. It continude to Victoria Road. My brother in law was Arthur Innes. He passed away about six months ago. There was a family of Powries lived across the road from Hillbank in Sibbald Street. Any relation? Cheers Dave > From: New.Englander@verizon.net > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:10:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Cree's in Dundee > > I haven't followed this thread. But was Hill Street = Hillbank > Street?????? A ask because it is so closely associated w/POWRIE place ( my > family name).which appeared to be nearly, and I have POWRIEs born in > Hillbank St. > > Thanks. > > Marilyn arnold > > POWRE, INNES, REID, BRUCE, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Speed" <colin@caspeed.co.uk> > To: <angus@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Cree's in Dundee > > > > Hi David > > > > This fits what I have. > > > > Emily & Joseph Cree moved from Dallfield Walk to 28 Hill Street in 1936. > > She > > stayed there forseveral years, remarrying Robert Kennedy after Joseph > > died. > > She was there up to 1945, and would have had between 10 and 13 children > > that > > we know of, including Stewart Kiddie from before she was married. Stewart > > died in 2004, but would have been about 86 this year. My father-in-law > > does > > not remember any other children, but it is posible that other cousins etc > > stayed there? Some of her children were still recorded at that address as > > late as 1947. (The were serving in the Forces at the time). > > > > Did you also live in Hill Street? > > > > Regarding the Census records, at the top of page 24, the address entered > > is > > 37 Ann Street. On the next line the enumerator has entered "9 Powrie Place > > or 2 Forebank Road". The Cree Family (Joseph's Grandparents) are entered > > at > > the bottom of page 24 and top of page 25. Looking at Nivard's reply to my > > original message, page 27 still had the same "Address". I suspect that the > > correct address is 9 Powrie Place as it is off Ann Street, near no. 37. > > > > Colin > > > > 2009/6/1 David Perks <banjo046@sympatico.ca> > > > >> > >> Hi Colin, I don't know too much about the family,but I will tell what i > >> do > >> know. Number 28 hill street was what was known as Slum clclearance > >> homes. > >> what that means is that the people who lived there in the thirties came > >> from > >> homes throughout the city that had been condemed as unfit for humans to > >> live > >> in ( there were many of these homes). If you go to the City of Dundee > >> archives and check out the pictures of old Dundee you will see a picture > >> of > >> one of the houses that were condemed in Forebank. (very seldom refered to > >> as > >> Forebank rd. or street. just simply Forebank) The one picture I have > >> refered > >> to shows an elderly woman sitting by the fire place in the condemend > >> house. > >> If you are squeemish, don't look. However if you have any old pictures of > >> your wife's family it is possible that the old lady might show a > >> resemblance. > >> > >> as I said there were 21 children in the family the youngest were younger > >> than me but the oldest were much older than me. Going by what I remember > >> the > >> youngest would be about 70 years old now and the oldest would be about > >> mid > >> 90s. I do not know how this poor woman managed as the house only had two > >> bed > >> rooms, a kitchen and living room. You can imagine what life was like with > >> 23 > >> people in this little space. I dont see where it was possible for the > >> person > >> taking the census to get the Ann street and Forebank addresses mixed up. > >> I > >> know that area very well and i can tell you the distance between Ann > >> Street > >> and 2 forebank was about 5 hundred yards with a church and school along > >> with > >> five tenements between them. Just before ww11 37 Ann street was condemend > >> and boarded up. When the war finished and the men returned from the war > >> there were no houses available so they became Squaters an took over the > >> condemend homes. These homes had no water, light, heat or sanitation. my > >> sister and her! > >> husband squated in 37 Ann street for several years until they got a > >> council house in the newly created housing schemes. I hope this helps > >> you > >> with your search. If you think that I might be able to help you further. > >> please do not hesitate to let me know. > >> > >> Happy hunting. > >> > >> Dave perks > >> > >> Hamilton, Ontario. > >> > >> Canada > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: colin@caspeed.co.uk > >> > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:35:38 +0100 > >> > To: angus@rootsweb.com > >> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Cree's in Dundee > >> > > >> > Hi David > >> > > >> > Do you have any more info about this family. My wife's Cree's were from > >> that > >> > area in the 1930's. > >> > > >> > Colin > >> > > >> > 2009/6/1 David Perks <banjo046@sympatico.ca> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > 37 Ann street was about 50 yards east of the junction of Forebank and > >> Ann > >> > > street and was on the south side of Ann street. > >> > > > >> > > There was a family called Cree lived in Hill Street in the thirties > >> > > . They lived in number 28. and had 21 children. > >> > > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.48/2148 - Release Date: 06/01/09 > 06:09:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nivard, Thank you, I didn't understand why it came back, as I am a member of gateway. Barbara On Mon, Jun 1st, 2009 at 2:37 PM, frank <frank@telusplanet.net> wrote: > Hi Nivard: > > Your comments spurred my interest. I have always wondered about the > gateway@rootsweb.com > how it works etc. I have tried to post to it and it does not go > through and > now I know why, Thank you. > > My question is however does every posting that goes to gateway get > put on > the mail list. If so why do the people be required to join the > List. > Perhaps I should ask Rootsweb but after what has been happening on > another > list I am a bit hesitant in doing so. > > Thanks for any assistance you can provide me? > > Frank Easton > Sherwood Park lberta. > > -----Original Message----- > From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Nivard Ovington > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 1:26 AM > To: angus@rootsweb.com; gc-gateway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] James Thomas of Arbroath > > > Hi Barbara > > It looks like you have replied to the list only (the gateway address > goes > nowhere) > > As the post was a gatewayed board posting, the poster will not see > your > advice unless they also subscribe to the list (which in most cases > they > don't) > > To reply to a gatewayed board post you need to click the blue link in > the > message and reply there, your reply will then in turn be gatewayed > back to > the list, so you only need to do it once > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > Hello Ross, > > > > If you pay G.B. 6 pounds to Scotlandspeople you may search your > family, > > you receive 30 units, & > > 1 unit will show a list of James Thomas bn Arbroath, then you > would be > > able to print a copy of his > > birth, which give parents & father's occupation, plus mother's > maiden > > name. > > > > The websight is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk > > > > Well worth it, & our $ is at 49P at present, > > regards, > > > > Barbara > > Melb. Aust. > > > > > > On Sun, May 31st, 2009 at 4:37 PM, "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" > > <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > > wrote: > > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing > list. > >> > >> Author: RossThomas77 > >> Surnames: Thomas; Morris > >> Classification: lookup > >> > >> Message Board URL: > >> > >> > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5599/mb > .ashx > >> > >> Message Board Post: > >> > >> Hi > >> > >> My grandfather James was born 2 Dec 1885 at Arbroath to James > Thomas > >> and Elisabeth Morris (Cert 715). Young James had an older sister > Anne > >> and later a younger sister Jean, neither of whom would marry. > Their > >> grandfather (name unknown) is thought to have been a parson in > the > >> church (Methodist?) but this has not been confirmed. > >> > >> My grandfather came to Australia around 1904 and eventually > settled > >> in Western Australia. > >> > >> Beyond this, I can find little about these people. If some kind > >> person has access to Angus (Forfar) BMD records, would they > please > >> provide any details available. I would be happy to provide > >> information on the Thomas clan Downunder. > >> > >> Cheers, Ross Thomas of Canberra > >> > >> Important Note: > >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If > you > >> would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board > URL > >> link above and respond on the board. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi David This fits what I have. Emily & Joseph Cree moved from Dallfield Walk to 28 Hill Street in 1936. She stayed there forseveral years, remarrying Robert Kennedy after Joseph died. She was there up to 1945, and would have had between 10 and 13 children that we know of, including Stewart Kiddie from before she was married. Stewart died in 2004, but would have been about 86 this year. My father-in-law does not remember any other children, but it is posible that other cousins etc stayed there? Some of her children were still recorded at that address as late as 1947. (The were serving in the Forces at the time). Did you also live in Hill Street? Regarding the Census records, at the top of page 24, the address entered is 37 Ann Street. On the next line the enumerator has entered "9 Powrie Place or 2 Forebank Road". The Cree Family (Joseph's Grandparents) are entered at the bottom of page 24 and top of page 25. Looking at Nivard's reply to my original message, page 27 still had the same "Address". I suspect that the correct address is 9 Powrie Place as it is off Ann Street, near no. 37. Colin 2009/6/1 David Perks <banjo046@sympatico.ca> > > Hi Colin, I don't know too much about the family,but I will tell what i do > know. Number 28 hill street was what was known as Slum clclearance homes. > what that means is that the people who lived there in the thirties came from > homes throughout the city that had been condemed as unfit for humans to live > in ( there were many of these homes). If you go to the City of Dundee > archives and check out the pictures of old Dundee you will see a picture of > one of the houses that were condemed in Forebank. (very seldom refered to as > Forebank rd. or street. just simply Forebank) The one picture I have refered > to shows an elderly woman sitting by the fire place in the condemend house. > If you are squeemish, don't look. However if you have any old pictures of > your wife's family it is possible that the old lady might show a > resemblance. > > as I said there were 21 children in the family the youngest were younger > than me but the oldest were much older than me. Going by what I remember the > youngest would be about 70 years old now and the oldest would be about mid > 90s. I do not know how this poor woman managed as the house only had two bed > rooms, a kitchen and living room. You can imagine what life was like with 23 > people in this little space. I dont see where it was possible for the person > taking the census to get the Ann street and Forebank addresses mixed up. I > know that area very well and i can tell you the distance between Ann Street > and 2 forebank was about 5 hundred yards with a church and school along with > five tenements between them. Just before ww11 37 Ann street was condemend > and boarded up. When the war finished and the men returned from the war > there were no houses available so they became Squaters an took over the > condemend homes. These homes had no water, light, heat or sanitation. my > sister and her! > husband squated in 37 Ann street for several years until they got a > council house in the newly created housing schemes. I hope this helps you > with your search. If you think that I might be able to help you further. > please do not hesitate to let me know. > > Happy hunting. > > Dave perks > > Hamilton, Ontario. > > Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: colin@caspeed.co.uk > > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:35:38 +0100 > > To: angus@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Cree's in Dundee > > > > Hi David > > > > Do you have any more info about this family. My wife's Cree's were from > that > > area in the 1930's. > > > > Colin > > > > 2009/6/1 David Perks <banjo046@sympatico.ca> > > > > > > > > 37 Ann street was about 50 yards east of the junction of Forebank and > Ann > > > street and was on the south side of Ann street. > > > > > > There was a family called Cree lived in Hill Street in the thirties > > > . They lived in number 28. and had 21 children. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the respone. All good information for follow-up! Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Speed" <colin@caspeed.co.uk> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Cree's in Dundee > Hi Marlyn > > Hillbank Road is about half a mile east of Hill Street. I cannot find any > Hillbank Street, either on Google maps or the 1857 Town Plan on the NLS > website. It's also about the same distance from Powrie Place > > Colin > >> I haven't followed this thread. But was Hill Street = Hillbank >> > Street?????? A ask because it is so closely associated w/POWRIE place ( >> my >> > family name).which appeared to be nearly, and I have POWRIEs born in >> > Hillbank St. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.48/2148 - Release Date: 06/01/09 06:09:00

Hi Colin, I don't know too much about the family,but I will tell what i do know. Number 28 hill street was what was known as Slum clclearance homes. what that means is that the people who lived there in the thirties came from homes throughout the city that had been condemed as unfit for humans to live in ( there were many of these homes). If you go to the City of Dundee archives and check out the pictures of old Dundee you will see a picture of one of the houses that were condemed in Forebank. (very seldom refered to as Forebank rd. or street. just simply Forebank) The one picture I have refered to shows an elderly woman sitting by the fire place in the condemend house. If you are squeemish, don't look. However if you have any old pictures of your wife's family it is possible that the old lady might show a resemblance. as I said there were 21 children in the family the youngest were younger than me but the oldest were much older than me. Going by what I remember the youngest would be about 70 years old now and the oldest would be about mid 90s. I do not know how this poor woman managed as the house only had two bed rooms, a kitchen and living room. You can imagine what life was like with 23 people in this little space. I dont see where it was possible for the person taking the census to get the Ann street and Forebank addresses mixed up. I know that area very well and i can tell you the distance between Ann Street and 2 forebank was about 5 hundred yards with a church and school along with five tenements between them. Just before ww11 37 Ann street was condemend and boarded up. When the war finished and the men returned from the war there were no houses available so they became Squaters an took over the condemend homes. These homes had no water, light, heat or sanitation. my sister and her husband squated in 37 Ann street for several years until they got a council house in the newly created housing schemes. I hope this helps you with your search. If you think that I might be able to help you further. please do not hesitate to let me know. Happy hunting. Dave perks Hamilton, Ontario. Canada > From: colin@caspeed.co.uk > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:35:38 +0100 > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Cree's in Dundee > > Hi David > > Do you have any more info about this family. My wife's Cree's were from that > area in the 1930's. > > Colin > > 2009/6/1 David Perks <banjo046@sympatico.ca> > > > > > 37 Ann street was about 50 yards east of the junction of Forebank and Ann > > street and was on the south side of Ann street. > > > > There was a family called Cree lived in Hill Street in the thirties > > . They lived in number 28. and had 21 children. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I haven't followed this thread. But was Hill Street = Hillbank Street?????? A ask because it is so closely associated w/POWRIE place ( my family name).which appeared to be nearly, and I have POWRIEs born in Hillbank St. Thanks. Marilyn arnold POWRE, INNES, REID, BRUCE, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Speed" <colin@caspeed.co.uk> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Cree's in Dundee > Hi David > > This fits what I have. > > Emily & Joseph Cree moved from Dallfield Walk to 28 Hill Street in 1936. > She > stayed there forseveral years, remarrying Robert Kennedy after Joseph > died. > She was there up to 1945, and would have had between 10 and 13 children > that > we know of, including Stewart Kiddie from before she was married. Stewart > died in 2004, but would have been about 86 this year. My father-in-law > does > not remember any other children, but it is posible that other cousins etc > stayed there? Some of her children were still recorded at that address as > late as 1947. (The were serving in the Forces at the time). > > Did you also live in Hill Street? > > Regarding the Census records, at the top of page 24, the address entered > is > 37 Ann Street. On the next line the enumerator has entered "9 Powrie Place > or 2 Forebank Road". The Cree Family (Joseph's Grandparents) are entered > at > the bottom of page 24 and top of page 25. Looking at Nivard's reply to my > original message, page 27 still had the same "Address". I suspect that the > correct address is 9 Powrie Place as it is off Ann Street, near no. 37. > > Colin > > 2009/6/1 David Perks <banjo046@sympatico.ca> > >> >> Hi Colin, I don't know too much about the family,but I will tell what i >> do >> know. Number 28 hill street was what was known as Slum clclearance >> homes. >> what that means is that the people who lived there in the thirties came >> from >> homes throughout the city that had been condemed as unfit for humans to >> live >> in ( there were many of these homes). If you go to the City of Dundee >> archives and check out the pictures of old Dundee you will see a picture >> of >> one of the houses that were condemed in Forebank. (very seldom refered to >> as >> Forebank rd. or street. just simply Forebank) The one picture I have >> refered >> to shows an elderly woman sitting by the fire place in the condemend >> house. >> If you are squeemish, don't look. However if you have any old pictures of >> your wife's family it is possible that the old lady might show a >> resemblance. >> >> as I said there were 21 children in the family the youngest were younger >> than me but the oldest were much older than me. Going by what I remember >> the >> youngest would be about 70 years old now and the oldest would be about >> mid >> 90s. I do not know how this poor woman managed as the house only had two >> bed >> rooms, a kitchen and living room. You can imagine what life was like with >> 23 >> people in this little space. I dont see where it was possible for the >> person >> taking the census to get the Ann street and Forebank addresses mixed up. >> I >> know that area very well and i can tell you the distance between Ann >> Street >> and 2 forebank was about 5 hundred yards with a church and school along >> with >> five tenements between them. Just before ww11 37 Ann street was condemend >> and boarded up. When the war finished and the men returned from the war >> there were no houses available so they became Squaters an took over the >> condemend homes. These homes had no water, light, heat or sanitation. my >> sister and her! >> husband squated in 37 Ann street for several years until they got a >> council house in the newly created housing schemes. I hope this helps >> you >> with your search. If you think that I might be able to help you further. >> please do not hesitate to let me know. >> >> Happy hunting. >> >> Dave perks >> >> Hamilton, Ontario. >> >> Canada >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: colin@caspeed.co.uk >> > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:35:38 +0100 >> > To: angus@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Cree's in Dundee >> > >> > Hi David >> > >> > Do you have any more info about this family. My wife's Cree's were from >> that >> > area in the 1930's. >> > >> > Colin >> > >> > 2009/6/1 David Perks <banjo046@sympatico.ca> >> > >> > > >> > > 37 Ann street was about 50 yards east of the junction of Forebank and >> Ann >> > > street and was on the south side of Ann street. >> > > >> > > There was a family called Cree lived in Hill Street in the thirties >> > > . 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RossThomas77 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5599.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Thanks to all who have contributed to the understanding of my grandfather's past. From the two census data, it appears (to me) that his elder sister Jane took her younger siblings under her family roof at Dundee initially and that James later lived at Dale School in Arbroath (the Institution?). It is likely that he qualified here as a carpenter/joiner as he was soon after known as a master craftsman in Australia - by 1915 he was recalled to Britain to supervise airframe manufacture at the Handley Page plant. If anyone can help on the history of Dale School, I would be very appreciative. Also, any record of his parents eg in earlier census or BMD data? Best wishes, Ross - proudly of solid Scots, Manx, Cornish and Irish stock (alright, a little English as well!) PS In 1985 I visited Arbroath and found the street where James was born - Millgateloan (correct spelling?). The 'smokies' were superb. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Frank I am replying on list as others may have the same question The boards and lists co-exist side by side and more often than not have a corresponding list and board of the same name or subject but not always (both can be searched for previous posts as they are archived) With lists as we know, once subscribed any posting comes to us as subscribers, with boards you go to it and post and need to go back to the board to read, reply or post again (When you reply you can set an alert to inform you when anyone else responds to it) Where a similarly named board exists they *may* (but not always) be gatewayed to the list at the discretion of list and board admins (who may be one and the same) Obviously there may be board users who are blissfully unaware of the lists existence and vice versa, or one or other who don't like the format of list or board Any posting to the list will not be seen by a board poster, whereas any board posting (where the gateway is set up) will be repeated on the list So where you see the gateway message its just a matter of clicking the blue link and replying there, that in turn will be gatewayed back to the list I would just point out that sometimes with the boards they will not accept overlong replies and in some case certain characters seem to cause a problem, so short and sweet is the best method when replying to the board Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard: > > Your comments spurred my interest. I have always wondered about the > gateway@rootsweb.com > how it works etc. I have tried to post to it and it does not go through > and > now I know why, Thank you. > > My question is however does every posting that goes to gateway get put on > the mail list. If so why do the people be required to join the List. > Perhaps I should ask Rootsweb but after what has been happening on another > list I am a bit hesitant in doing so. > > Thanks for any assistance you can provide me? > > Frank Easton > Sherwood Park lberta.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: adrian_bruce Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5599.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: "The sister's names are a little different (Jane vs Jean)" Actually - I wouldn't regard them as different at all - they are effectively the same name in Scotland (see http://www.whatsinaname.net/) so that's no cause for concern at all. Adrian Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5599.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: While I would agree with you if it were found in other records In the context its mentioned, i.e. the census Inmate invariably means one in an institution of some sort Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi David Do you have any more info about this family. My wife's Cree's were from that area in the 1930's. Colin 2009/6/1 David Perks <banjo046@sympatico.ca> > > 37 Ann street was about 50 yards east of the junction of Forebank and Ann > street and was on the south side of Ann street. > > There was a family called Cree lived in Hill Street in the thirties > . They lived in number 28. and had 21 children. > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gbell152 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5599.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I haven't been following this thread, but a phrase in the latest message indicates a misunderstanding: "He was an orphan which would explain being an inmate ..." Until fairly recently, the term "inmate" did not have the current meaning of "someone living (perhaps unwillingly) in an institution". On the contrary, it was regularly used in entries in the Registers of Births, Marriages and Deaths to mean simply "someone who lived at the same address". Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gbuttars Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5598.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In Edinburgh, the Dick Veterinary College began classes in 1823, established by farrier William Dick. The first of two New Veterinary Colleges was also established there in 1857 by John Gamgee, the second by William Williams in 1873. The link between blacksmith and the vet was a strong one. The former would have a basic knowledge of horses anyway. Can't help with the abbreviation itself but agree that there may be a transcription error. You also don't give a date. Regards Grant Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

37 Ann street was about 50 yards east of the junction of Forebank and Ann street and was on the south side of Ann street. There was a family called Cree lived in Hill Street in the thirties . They lived in number 28. and had 21 children. > From: colin@caspeed.co.uk > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:24:15 +0100 > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Cree's in Dundee > > Sorry, my mistake. The 1881 census says Forebank Road not Street. i.e. the > street that runs from Ann Street to Victoria Road. > > It's the right family, I'm just hoping to pin down the address. The > enumerator was in Ann street (No. 37) before this address. 2 Forebank Road > is (nowadays) at the Victoria Road end, so Powrie Place is more likely. The > central library has Street Directories, published annually or bi-annually, > which list who was at each address that year. (I think for local tax > purposes) and I was hoping someone on this list in Dundee might be able to > have a look for me. > > Is it possible that the Street numbers have changed direction over the > years? > > Colin > > 2009/5/28 DOREEN CUTHBERT <doreencuthbert@btinternet.com> > > > > > have you looked at google maps? > > > > Powrie Place runs at right angles with Forebank Road. There are tenements > > in Dundee where the door is on the corner of a building, so it might not > > have been clear what the address was. > > > > I just realised that the 1881 entry said Forebank St, which is at the > > opposite end of Forebank Road to Powrie Place. > > > > have a look at google street view, and you will be able to get a feel for > > what the place may have looked like at the time. There are still some old > > buildings in that area. > > > > Doreen > > > > In 1891, they were in Kinnaird St. > > > > David Cree > > Age: 54 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 > > Relationship: Head > > Spouse's name : Betsy > > Gender: Male > > Where born: Fifeshire, Leven > > Registration Number: 282/3 > > Registration district: St Clement > > Civil parish: Dundee > > County: Angus > > Address: 10 Kinnaird St Back Land > > Occupation: House & Ship Painter > > ED: 17 > > Household schedule number: 125 > > Line: 7 > > Roll: CSSCT1891_92 > > Household Members: Name Age > > David Cree 54 > > Betsy Cree 48 > > Daniel Cree 20 > > John Cree 15 > > Agnes Cree 17 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RossThomas77 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5599.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much, R_Laurence. The sister's names are a little different (Jane vs Jean) etc but so much else is in accord with what I know. I think this is my g-father. He was an orphan which would explain being an inmate and 3 years later would take a position as a ship's carpenter and depart Scotland forever. He achieved great things as a builder of public buildings in WA and, in WW1, was recalled to Britain where he supervised airframe manufacture at the Handley Page factory at Cricklewood, north-west London. He died in 1959, the same year as his eldest son Frederick, my father. Again, many thanks for your help. Ross Thomas Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.