This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1427.1454.1504.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi ?? Could this be Alexanders will? Mitchell Alexander 19/04/1849 Farmer at Forfar Forfar Sheriff Court SC47/40/19 If I have the right family Alexander is enumerated as 59 in the 1841 census (although he should have been rounded down to 55) NJO Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kozmobates Surnames: Mitchell Ritchie Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1427.1454.1504.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Seems a number of us have Alexander Mitchell in Forfar. Was Mitchell a very common name or are these Alexanders connected? I'm looking to confirm any of my facts and find the parents of my Alexander Mitchell. He is later than most Mitchell's listed here. Alexander Mitchell b1781 (one fact claims he was born in 1803, which makes sense with children's birthdates) d1848. Alexander m Margaret Ritchie b 1799 in Rescobie, Angus children David George b1839 (my line), Margaret b1835, James b1826, Peter 1842, William 1830, Anne 1824, Agnes 1828, John 1831, Helen 1833, Margaret 1837. 10 children according to my records; yes, they were prolific. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I understand your frustration! I went back to using my old computer with XP for genealogy because of Vista. Two things to try--download http://WWW.irfanview.Com/ or http://picasa google.Com/ Both are good programs. But Windows does explain how to use the Vista Photo Gallery at this site http://WWW.Microsoft.Com/windows/windows-vista/features/photo-gallery.aspx Kathie In Montana

Please help an old lady! I can't complain about my new computer because it was a gift from my son. But it has Vista on it and I can't seem to open my files of certificates that I have previously downloaded from Scotlands People, including a new one from today. Fortunately I had no trouble having them transferred from the old computer, but if I can't open them....... I always used MS Picture and Fax Viewer and had absolutely no problems. I understand Vista does not have that program. I find the file I want, click on it and have the option of which program to open it with. I think I've tried every program with no luck. But when I click on Office Picture Manager it has a misc. selection of about a dozen previous certificate files--but I can't seem to add the one I want. And I tried, as a test, to print out one of those that did appear and it filled the page but cut off a lot along the edges. And it was very slow, as if it were printing out a quality picture. Any simple solutions? I am not computer smart, only know enough to do my genealogy searches. And my generous son lives elsewhere and won't be able to open my mail until he gets home after work. Meanwhile I'm tearing my hair out!!! Irene, in Michigan **************What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000008)

Hi Susan Hope this helps --------------------------------------------------------------- 1861 Census Canada Charles Mitchell Reach, Ontario, Ontario Charles Mitchell Occupation Farmer Born Scotland Wife Mary Born Scotland William Born Scotland Jane Born Scotland David Born United States James Born Upper Canada Elisabeth Born Upper Canada Mary Born Upper Canada Charles Born Upper Canada Robert Born Upper Canada Martha Born Upper Canada _________________________________________ Charls Mitchell Uxbridge, Ontario North, Ontario abt 1818 Scotland 1871 Census of Canada about Charls Mitchell Name: Charls Mitchell Gender: Male Age: 53 Birth Year: abt 1818 Birth Place: Scotland Marital Status: Married religion: C Presb Origin: Scotch (Scotish) Province: Ontario District: Ontario North District Number: 49 Division: 02 Subdistrict: Uxbridge Subdistrict Number: a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charls Mitchell 53 Mary Mitchell 53 Elizabeth Mitchell 23 Maryann Mitchell 20 Martha Mitchell 13 David Mitchell 25 James Mitchell 12 Charls Mitchell 18 Robert Mitchell 15 Edwin Mitchell 10 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Can not find Charles 1881 Census Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Clasen" <slclasen@msn.com> To: <ANGUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: [ANGUS] Charles Mitchell and Mary Smart Mitchell >I am seeking information on my great-great grandparents, Charles Mitchell >(born 12 Aug 1818, Scotland, died 28 Aug 1902, Melrose Township, Steele >County, North Dakota USA), his wife, Mary Smart, born in Scotland around >1816-1818, death date and place unknown but assumed in USA), and their >daughter, Jean Mitchell, born 16 May 1841, christened 06 Jun 1841 Fearn, >Angus, Scotland. They are listed in the 1841 Scottish Census and migrated >to North America around 1845. They may have first gone to Canada, but >eventually > spent most of their time in the USA, Illinois and North Dakota. > > Would appreciate ANY information including parish records. > > Susan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bjmurray12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5633.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: have recently found this email & web address & have downloaded census & birth & marriage prior to 1920 for cost of 5Euros per certificate, this wasn't too expensive in Aust$.s. Email is info@ifhf.ie, web/ http: ifhf.brsgeneology.com, you will need to register your email, they then send an email which you reply to, & then records are available. You pay as you find or for number found. Records are downloadable for 48 hours. Only snag being they are up to including 1920, not later as yet. Happy hunting Barbara Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5633.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Civil registration started in Ireland in 1864 (1855 in Scotland), so ther should be a birth certificate to consult. Gordon. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pdbrown7301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5633.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Thank you for your helpful ideas. I am new to this site and not very good with the computer. I will try your advice to try to locate my grandfathers birth certificate. I do not know his birth date but it has to be in the early 1900's. I was told the information about a birth that long ago might come from his church. Thanks again I will keep searching I might end up finding relatives from Ireland who might know. Take care, Pete Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 8887diane Surnames: DIXON GORDON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5634/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm looking for the baptism or birth record of Charles Dixon (sometimes Dickson) Gordon around 1808 in Montrose (d.o.b and place from 1851 census). Does anyone have access to Baptism records for Montrose for that period? According to IGI there are two other children Christina and James Gordon both with Dixon as middle name, botn to William Gordon and Catherine Manzie (Menzie?) in 1803 and 1814 respectively, so Charles may be a sibling, but can't find anything to prove it yet. Thanks in advance for any help Diane Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I just dowloaded one of mine for 1801 in Old Machar. Reads - James FRASER legitimate son of Hugh FRASER and Helen CRAIG was baptised on the evening of Friday the 14 th of August 1801 in his fathers house ( the next three line unreadable - a mad chook ran across the page) but the word "ill" can be seen. Following entry reads - John SMITH legitimate son of James SMITH and Elisabeth OGG living at Robplace Den was baptised in ?? fathers ?? house on the evening of Thursday the 27 of August 1801 next line and a half experienced the same chook. Maybe it was up to the minister. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian B" <abruce@madasafish.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:31 AM Subject: [ANGUS] Where were Scots baptisms held?

I am seeking information on my great-great grandparents, Charles Mitchell (born 12 Aug 1818, Scotland, died 28 Aug 1902, Melrose Township, Steele County, North Dakota USA), his wife, Mary Smart, born in Scotland around 1816-1818, death date and place unknown but assumed in USA), and their daughter, Jean Mitchell, born 16 May 1841, christened 06 Jun 1841 Fearn, Angus, Scotland. They are listed in the 1841 Scottish Census and migrated to North America around 1845. They may have first gone to Canada, but eventually spent most of their time in the USA, Illinois and North Dakota. Would appreciate ANY information including parish records. Susan

Because infancy was such a touchy time and churches were so cold, I believe baptisms were held at home. Later they were moved, as private ceremonies, to church. Now, of course, they are normally community affairs with the whole congregation being present. Sixty five years ago, my brother was baptised at home. His birth had been difficult for mother and child and with Winter upon us, it was thought that having the clergyman come to our home would be safer all around. "If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans" > From: jillm@iafrica.com > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:44:52 +0200 > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Where were Scots baptisms held? > > It seems that the tradition carried on for a long time. My mother was born > very prematurely in 1913 at home and was baptised almost instantly by a > family member because she wasn't expected to survive. She was given the > "wrong" name of Nancy, which was an abbreviation of her paternal > grandmother's name, Agnes, my mother having been the second daughter. The > family tried to have her name changed to Agnes, but the Kirk objected, her > baptised name having apparently been recorded in heaven, and thus there was > no chance of a second baptism. > > This premature baby lived till the ripe old age of 92, and to keep the > tradition going my first name is also Nancy. > > No Wayne's or Charmaines in those days. > > Best wishes, Nancy Jill Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian B" <abruce@madasafish.com> > To: <angus@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:31 PM > Subject: [ANGUS] Where were Scots baptisms held? > > > > Where were Scots baptisms held? Particularly those in Church of Scotland, > > 1780s? > > > > Once upon a time I would have assumed "in the Church" but since I > > eventually > > found out that marriages weren't (far too frivolous, I think a lister > > implied), maybe I shouldn't assume. > > > > What's prompted the question is a baptism I have (actually from Caputh in > > Perthshire) that says "10 July <1789> Andrew Thomson in Wester Caputh had > > a > > child ... born & baptised July 17". The word "born" is an interpolation. > > Dates of birth are not normally seen in Caputh at this time - at least, > > not > > in the examples I have. The most logical meaning is that she was born on > > 10 > > July and baptised on 17 July - but why would the minister record the birth > > date? I know it happens in lots of other places - but it seems most > > untypical here at this time. > > > > Alternatively, in the Church of England we often find double baptisms - > > the > > first is a private baptism at home, and the second a church ceremony > > receiving the child into the church. This reputedly happens for sickly > > children who might not otherwise survive to their baptism. So an > > alternative > > is that she was, perhaps, both born and baptised on 10 July, then received > > into the church on 17 July. But I don't know if this happens in Scotland. > > > > Also - in Dundee I do find children in certain families clearly born and > > baptised the same day - and it seems unlikely that a new-born should be > > taken through the streets to church on the day of their birth. > > > > Grateful for any thoughts over where Scots baptisms took place. > > > > Adrian B > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > __________ NOD32 4261 (20090720) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FYI - this book is a/v for download on www.gutenberg.org if anyone wants a longer look at it. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adrian B Sent: Tue 21 July 2009 11:36 To: IPollands@aol.com; angus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Where were Scots baptisms held? I like that - clearly not something that happened everywhere, judging by the days of the week my relatives were christened, but obviously something that JM Barrie reckoned could have happened, somewhere, sometime. Adrian _____ From: IPollands@aol.com [mailto:IPollands@aol.com] Sent: Mon 20 July 2009 22:55 To: abruce@madasafish.com; angus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Where were Scots baptisms held? In a message dated 7/20/2009 12:31:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, abruce@madasafish.com writes: Where were Scots baptisms held? Particularly those in Church of Scotland, 1780s? Once upon a time I would have assumed "in the Church" but since I eventually found out that marriages weren't (far too frivolous, I think a lister implied), maybe I shouldn't assume. -------------------------- This isn't exactly a firm answer to your question, but I was reminded of a story told in Sir J. M. Barrie's "Auld Licht Idylls" (published ca 1913) where he discusses the christenings held in his fictional town of Thrums (supposedly based on his own home town of Kirriemuir). I quote: "How the minister would have borne himself in the event of a member of his congregation's wanting the baptism to take place at home it is not easy to say; but I shudder to think of the public prayers for the parents that would certainly have followed. The child was carried to the kirk through rain, or snow, or sleet, or wind, the father took his seat alone in the front pew, under the minister's eye, and the service was prolonged far on into the afternoon." Barrie goes on to tell how they vied to have their children christened as soon as possible. "Among the wives she was esteemed a poor body whose infant did not see the inside of the kirk within a fortnight of its birth. ...That was a good and creditable birth which took place early in the week, thus allowing time for suitable christening preparations; while to be born on a Friday or a Saturday was to humiliate your parents, besides being an extremely ominous beginning for yourself." He then tells the story of an elder's wife who gave birth at 9:45 on a Saturday night, and the child was presented for baptism the next day. "Briefly it amounted to this: that a bairn born within two hours of midnight on Saturday could not have been ready for christening at the kirk next day without the breaking of the Sabbath." Unfortunately for this family, a neighborhood busy-body had spied on them when seeing lights on after midnight, and testified against them, and the father ended up tendering his resignation of church office. Irene, in Michigan _____ What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and <http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000008> easy dinner ideas for any occasion. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I like that - clearly not something that happened everywhere, judging by the days of the week my relatives were christened, but obviously something that JM Barrie reckoned could have happened, somewhere, sometime. Adrian _____ From: IPollands@aol.com [mailto:IPollands@aol.com] Sent: Mon 20 July 2009 22:55 To: abruce@madasafish.com; angus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Where were Scots baptisms held? In a message dated 7/20/2009 12:31:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, abruce@madasafish.com writes: Where were Scots baptisms held? Particularly those in Church of Scotland, 1780s? Once upon a time I would have assumed "in the Church" but since I eventually found out that marriages weren't (far too frivolous, I think a lister implied), maybe I shouldn't assume. -------------------------- This isn't exactly a firm answer to your question, but I was reminded of a story told in Sir J. M. Barrie's "Auld Licht Idylls" (published ca 1913) where he discusses the christenings held in his fictional town of Thrums (supposedly based on his own home town of Kirriemuir). I quote: "How the minister would have borne himself in the event of a member of his congregation's wanting the baptism to take place at home it is not easy to say; but I shudder to think of the public prayers for the parents that would certainly have followed. The child was carried to the kirk through rain, or snow, or sleet, or wind, the father took his seat alone in the front pew, under the minister's eye, and the service was prolonged far on into the afternoon." Barrie goes on to tell how they vied to have their children christened as soon as possible. "Among the wives she was esteemed a poor body whose infant did not see the inside of the kirk within a fortnight of its birth. ...That was a good and creditable birth which took place early in the week, thus allowing time for suitable christening preparations; while to be born on a Friday or a Saturday was to humiliate your parents, besides being an extremely ominous beginning for yourself." He then tells the story of an elder's wife who gave birth at 9:45 on a Saturday night, and the child was presented for baptism the next day. "Briefly it amounted to this: that a bairn born within two hours of midnight on Saturday could not have been ready for christening at the kirk next day without the breaking of the Sabbath." Unfortunately for this family, a neighborhood busy-body had spied on them when seeing lights on after midnight, and testified against them, and the father ended up tendering his resignation of church office. Irene, in Michigan _____ What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and <http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000008> easy dinner ideas for any occasion.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5633.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi ??? The Irish civil registration indexes are available on Record Search Pilot on familysearch to 1958, there are plenty of Francis BROWN events, you may know more to narrow it down to the one you want Birth events would be with Civil registration, Church records deal with the baptism Once identified you could then order a birth certificate from perhaps http://www.groireland.ie/about_us.htm (not tried myself so cannot comment) NJO PS might you not get better information posting to a board or list for Ireland? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rgbs1 Surnames: Mitchell, Frazer, Lawson, Cable, Hill Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1427.1454.1503.1506/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please contact me about mitchells in Forfar. George b 1768 and Alexander M 1762 Geneve Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rgbs1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1427.1454.1504/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have George Mitchell Married to May Cable 1789 I only had 5 children I didn't know about Anne Mitchell 1791 George's Father is Alexander Mitchell Married to Margaret Hill 12 Nov 1762. Do you have more on this line? I'm traveling to Scotland on Aug 4th and I'm trying to be prepared. Geneve Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The book Scottish customs: cradle to grave would give you a good explanations. Hanseling, bann announcement tradition (the bride is not present), "blakening the bride (wedding pranks), were all new to me, but fascinating. Mary in Oregon _http://www.amazon.com/Scottish-Customs-Cradle-Margaret-Bennett/dp/184158293 X_ (http://www.amazon.com/Scottish-Customs-Cradle-Margaret-Bennett/dp/184158293X) for sale at this link, gave regional and differences over time. In a message dated 7/20/2009 12:10:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, abruce@madasafish.com writes: Thanks Gavin. An interesting and insightful reply - no, I didn't expect there to be a single answer but I feel I have more of an expectation now. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell [mailto:g.bell@which.net] Sent: Mon 20 July 2009 18:41 To: abruce@madasafish.com; angus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Where were Scots baptisms held? Adrian B wrote: >Where were Scots baptisms held? Particularly those in Church of >Scotland, 1780s? > > I doubt if there can be any simple one-size-fits-all answer to this question. <<snipped>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323041x1201367261/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pdbrown7301 Surnames: Brown Classification: birth Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5633/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information about my grandfather (Francis Brown). He was born in Ireland. Married my grandmother Estine Sofia Putman on April 24, 1926 in Rochester, NY. Had two children Jean Elizabeth Brown and my father Robert Francis Brown. Divorced in 1936 or 1937. He then remarried to ? and I think had more children with his new wife. Died in August, 1971. He also belonged to the Oxfellows club. I am looking for Birth records for him in Ireland. Probably from his church. Any information would be appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

It seems that the tradition carried on for a long time. My mother was born very prematurely in 1913 at home and was baptised almost instantly by a family member because she wasn't expected to survive. She was given the "wrong" name of Nancy, which was an abbreviation of her paternal grandmother's name, Agnes, my mother having been the second daughter. The family tried to have her name changed to Agnes, but the Kirk objected, her baptised name having apparently been recorded in heaven, and thus there was no chance of a second baptism. This premature baby lived till the ripe old age of 92, and to keep the tradition going my first name is also Nancy. No Wayne's or Charmaines in those days. Best wishes, Nancy Jill Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian B" <abruce@madasafish.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: [ANGUS] Where were Scots baptisms held? > Where were Scots baptisms held? Particularly those in Church of Scotland, > 1780s? > > Once upon a time I would have assumed "in the Church" but since I > eventually > found out that marriages weren't (far too frivolous, I think a lister > implied), maybe I shouldn't assume. > > What's prompted the question is a baptism I have (actually from Caputh in > Perthshire) that says "10 July <1789> Andrew Thomson in Wester Caputh had > a > child ... born & baptised July 17". The word "born" is an interpolation. > Dates of birth are not normally seen in Caputh at this time - at least, > not > in the examples I have. The most logical meaning is that she was born on > 10 > July and baptised on 17 July - but why would the minister record the birth > date? I know it happens in lots of other places - but it seems most > untypical here at this time. > > Alternatively, in the Church of England we often find double baptisms - > the > first is a private baptism at home, and the second a church ceremony > receiving the child into the church. This reputedly happens for sickly > children who might not otherwise survive to their baptism. So an > alternative > is that she was, perhaps, both born and baptised on 10 July, then received > into the church on 17 July. But I don't know if this happens in Scotland. > > Also - in Dundee I do find children in certain families clearly born and > baptised the same day - and it seems unlikely that a new-born should be > taken through the streets to church on the day of their birth. > > Grateful for any thoughts over where Scots baptisms took place. > > Adrian B > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 4261 (20090720) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >