Hi all I don't remember this being mentioned ? >From Ancestry ===================== We've made our exclusive National Probate Calendar, 1861-1941, completely free to everybody until July 8th. You can search the indexes to see where and when your ancestors died, see the original records to discover how much they left behind, and use the information to order their full wills and probate records from the Principal Probate Registry. Find out how At the same time, we're also offering Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976, for free. This collection of obituaries, death notices and other announcements was put together by heir hunters, and could offer vital clues about where your family's money ended up. ====================== You may be thinking why bother with an English / Welsh Probate index for Scottish relatives You may be interested to know that a simple search for keyword Scotland finds 113,005 hits With the word Angus gets 3,781 hits A small example of one Probate Calendars 1937 ABERCROMBIE Peter Henderson of 68 Keir street Pollokshields Glasgow died 19 September 1936 Confirmation of Jessie Abercrombie or Hogg. Sealed London 11 January. And one of mine In the Probate Index of Wills for England & Wales SMITH Alexander William (commonly known as Alexander) 29th August 1891 The confirmation of the Commisariot of Renfrew dated 19 August 1891 of David Smith the son and Thomas Struthers Smith the Nephew as surviving Executors Nominate of Alexander William Smith commonly known as Alexander Smith Merchant of Crofthead House Langside near Glasgow who died at Langside 14 July 1891 Sealed. Some are a lot longer than others The mention of sealed means there is very likely a will in Scotland Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Lesley I emailed the NAS to see if they are hidden somewhere on their site Their reply :- Thank you for your enquiry. We do not currently have any podcasts on our websites, although we are considering adding some to our educational website Scottish Archives for Schools (http://www.scottisharchivesforschools.org) at some point. Are the ones on itunes definitely from the NAS ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I've had no trouble listening to them from here in sunny Holland. > NAS also have a series of podcasts which I've found very interesting. The odd thing is that, thus > far, the > only place I've been able to access them is via iTunes! I can't find any mention of them on the > NAS site. > > Lesley Robertson

Similarly, the podcasts seem fine over here in the US. Lesley - can you elaborate on the podcasts from the NAS? Exactly how do you reach them with iTunes? On 7/4/2011 3:14 AM, Lesley Robertson wrote: > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 18:34:22 +0100 >> Subject: [ANGUS] Podcasts at the National Archives >> >> >> One of them is a series of Podcasts by the National Archives (the one in London) >> > {snip} > > I've had no trouble listening to them from here in sunny Holland. > NAS also have a series of podcasts which I've found very interesting. The odd thing is that, thus far, the > only place I've been able to access them is via iTunes! I can't find any mention of them on the NAS site. > > Lesley Robertson > >

> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 18:34:22 +0100 > Subject: [ANGUS] Podcasts at the National Archives > > Hi all > > As its been rather quiet I have been catching up on a few things I have been meaning to get around > to but never seemed to have the time (until now) > > One of them is a series of Podcasts by the National Archives (the one in London) > {snip} > > Holding records for Scotland from the union in 1707, The National Archives holds documents on many > of our Scottish ancestors. Find out how to go about discovering them in this talk by Audrey Collins. > > > So if you have a minute you may like to have a listen whilst searching for great Aunt Agatha <g> > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > I do not think there is a restriction on listening from overseas but perhaps someone can confirm > that > I've had no trouble listening to them from here in sunny Holland. NAS also have a series of podcasts which I've found very interesting. The odd thing is that, thus far, the only place I've been able to access them is via iTunes! I can't find any mention of them on the NAS site. Lesley Robertson

No problem with listening to them from overseas. Thanks for the info. Alison Vancouver > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 18:34:22 +0100 > From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ANGUS] Podcasts at the National Archives > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi all > > As its been rather quiet I have been catching up on a few things I have been meaning to get around > to but never seemed to have the time (until now) > > One of them is a series of Podcasts by the National Archives (the one in London) > > There are loads of subjects from things as diverse as How to Fight a Duel , to Charles DARWIN to > UFO's > > They can be listened to there and then or download and listen on an mp3 player > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/podcas > > One I found interesting and topical for this list > > Inheritance in Scotland - testaments and retours > > Published date: Fri, 13 May 2011 00:12:00 GMT > > Scottish testaments, loosely called 'wills', can be disappointing for genealogists because they > often contain very few names, and no details of land and property. This is a consequence of the > Scottish system of inheritance up to 1868. However, such details are often discovered in retours of > services of heirs (usually in Latin), sasines, and in trust dispositions and settlements. In this > talk, Dr Bruce Durie conducts a guided tour around these document classes, with 'live' online > searches. Dr Bruce Durie is Course Director, Genealogical Studies, at the University of Strathclyde, > Glasgow, where he founded and runs the Postgraduate Certificate, Diploma and Masters programme in > Genealogical Studies. He is the author of a number of books, including Scottish Genealogy. > > And > > Tracing Scottish ancestors > > Published date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:00:00 GMT > > Holding records for Scotland from the union in 1707, The National Archives holds documents on many > of our Scottish ancestors. Find out how to go about discovering them in this talk by Audrey Collins. > > > So if you have a minute you may like to have a listen whilst searching for great Aunt Agatha <g> > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > I do not think there is a restriction on listening from overseas but perhaps someone can confirm > that > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 18:53:23 +0100 > From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Podcasts at the National Archives > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Copy and paste is not what it once was :-( > > Try > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/podcasts/ > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >

Page 63 Brought from ye preceeding Page 643/5/10 May 8th Lect Rom 15th 14th Text as befor Coll 0/15/6 The forsd Persons Procld pro 2do 10th For the Removal of a Lying Tomb Stone 1/10/0 For the Mortcloath to Jean Peters Corps in Panbryde Parish 1/0/0 15th Lect Rom 15th 22d Text as befor Coll 0/18/10 The forsd Persons procld pro 3to & ult It James Cooper in this Parish and Margaret Dasson in Parish of Mains procld pro 1 mo 20th For the Mortcloath to Alexr Anderson Corpse 0/13/4 21st For Ditto to Eliz Kydde 0/13/4 22d Lect Rom 16th 1st Text as befor Coll 0/17/6 The forsd Persons procld pro 2do 29th Lect Rom 16th 17th Text as befor Coll 0/16/0 The forsd Persons procld pro 3to & Ult Intimate the Collection for the two families in Parish of Carmylie (see Register Sess Pages) June 5th Preached Mr Will Dall Probt Lect Col 3d 5th Text Hebr 6th 5th Coll For the two families abov mntd 4/13/0 12th Preached Mr Dall above mtd Lect Eph 1st 1st text as befor Coll 0/17/2 Alexr Kydde in this Parish & Catherine Miles in Monyfieth Parish procld pro 1mo It Will Smith in this Parish and Agnes Richie in Dunnichen Parish procld pro 1mo 19th the forsd Mr Dall Lect Psal 24th 1st Text Acts 16th 31st Coll 0/18/0 26th Lect I Cor 1st 1st Text as April 24h Coll 0/17/4July 3d Lect 1 Cor 1st 10th Text Jo 14th & 15th Coll 1/1/10 Will Elphinston in this Parish and Elis Scot in Parish of Inverarity procld 1 mo 10th Lect Cor 1st 21st Text as before Coll 0/15/0 The forsd Parties procld 2 do It: James Redde in parish of Panbryde and Jean Garvie in this Paroch are procld pro 1mo >From James Redde in lieu of Consignation Money 0/12/0 17th Lect Cor 2d 1st Text as befor Coll 0/16/6 The forsd Parties proclaimed 24th Lect Cor 2d 9th Text as befor Coll 0/15/0 The forsd Persons procld 3to & Ult Summe Totall 661/18/2 Page 64 Brought over 661/18/2 July 31st Lect Cor 3d 1st Text as befor Coll 0/16./8 Augt 7th Lect 1 Cor 3d 10th Text as befor Coll 1/4/4 For the Mortcloath Elisabeth Paton's Corpse 0/13/4 14th Lect Cor 4th 1st Text as befor Coll 0/17/0 21st Lect Cor 4th 8th Text as befor Coll 0/17/0 28th Lect Cor 5th 1st Text 1 Jo 3d 1st Coll 0/13/0 7ber 4th Lect Cor 5th 7th Text 1 Jo 3d 1st Coll 1/3/6 11th Lect Cor 6th 1st Text as befor Coll 0/16/6 For the Mortcloath to Marion Dalls Corps in the Parish of Monikie 1/0/0 18th Lect Cor 16th 12th Text as befor Coll 0/12/6 25th 8ber 2d There two Sabbaths there was no Sermon the Mnr being obliged to attend his brother in law then a dying 9th Lect 1 Cor 7th 8th Text as befor Coll 0/15/8 16th Preached Mr George Man Probt Lect 1 Jo 1st 1st Text Jo 1st 12th Coll 0/11/10 23d Lect 1 Cor 7th 8th Text as befor Coll 0/12/6 30th Lect 1 Cor 7th 25th Text as befor Coll 0/13/6 Intimate the Coll for Catherine Burns according to appointment (in Register page) 9ber 6th Lect 1 Cor 8th 1st Text as befor For Catherine Burns Coll 8/9/10 13th Lect 1 Cir 9th 1st Text as befor Coll 0/12/8 20th Preached Mr Will Dall Probt Lect Psal 29th 7th Text Coll 3d 4th Coll 0/13/4 27th Lect 1 Cor 9th 9th Text as befor Coll 0/17/0 10ber 4th Lect 1 Cor 9th 15th Text as before Coll 0/18/10 Jas Mumeson and Isobell Storie both in this Parish procld pro 1 mo >From Murne for instead of Consignation Mo 0/12/0 11th Lect 1 Cor 10th 1st Text as befor Coll 0/160 18th 10th 11th Text as before Coll 0/16/0 The forsd Persons procld 3 to & Ult 25th No Sermon the Minr being absent about his Marry affairs (total) 687/2/0

Copy and paste is not what it once was :-( Try http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/podcasts/ Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi all > > As its been rather quiet I have been catching up on a few things I have been meaning to get around > to but never seemed to have the time (until now) > > One of them is a series of Podcasts by the National Archives (the one in London) > > There are loads of subjects from things as diverse as How to Fight a Duel , to Charles DARWIN to > UFO's

Hi all As its been rather quiet I have been catching up on a few things I have been meaning to get around to but never seemed to have the time (until now) One of them is a series of Podcasts by the National Archives (the one in London) There are loads of subjects from things as diverse as How to Fight a Duel , to Charles DARWIN to UFO's They can be listened to there and then or download and listen on an mp3 player http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/podcas One I found interesting and topical for this list Inheritance in Scotland - testaments and retours Published date: Fri, 13 May 2011 00:12:00 GMT Scottish testaments, loosely called 'wills', can be disappointing for genealogists because they often contain very few names, and no details of land and property. This is a consequence of the Scottish system of inheritance up to 1868. However, such details are often discovered in retours of services of heirs (usually in Latin), sasines, and in trust dispositions and settlements. In this talk, Dr Bruce Durie conducts a guided tour around these document classes, with 'live' online searches. Dr Bruce Durie is Course Director, Genealogical Studies, at the University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, where he founded and runs the Postgraduate Certificate, Diploma and Masters programme in Genealogical Studies. He is the author of a number of books, including Scottish Genealogy. And Tracing Scottish ancestors Published date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:00:00 GMT Holding records for Scotland from the union in 1707, The National Archives holds documents on many of our Scottish ancestors. Find out how to go about discovering them in this talk by Audrey Collins. So if you have a minute you may like to have a listen whilst searching for great Aunt Agatha <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) I do not think there is a restriction on listening from overseas but perhaps someone can confirm that

> I have never heard of Carolstone, There are also several > locations in > Scotland called Tannadice, the main one being a > village  and parish, > near Brechin, so I suspect your Carolstone is a farm in > that parish. Carolstone is probably one of the older variant spellings of Careston. I have to hand a map dated 1832 of Carraldstone Estate, which is clearly Careston. Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: catherine_kunkel Surnames: McKenzie, Robbie, Robertson, Fyfe, Gordon, Morton, Marnie, Ritchie, Young Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5717.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Evelyn, I am not directly connected to this family. Because I have Robertson's in my McKenzie line, I happened to pick up information on Alexander and Isabella. Sorry that I couldn't be any help. My McKenzie line goes back many generations in the Glenisla area. Catherine Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Wallace - "topics" are methods, resources and processes, not geographical locations! I have never heard of Carolstone, There are also several locations in Scotland called Tannadice, the main one being a village and parish, near Brechin, so I suspect your Carolstone is a farm in that parish. Gordon. Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:01:51 +0000 From: Wallace Lowe <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Genealogy education > To:<[email protected]> > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Gordon: Thank you. > > Do the topics include the Tannadice and Carolstone areas > My Interest + their children > > William LOW > M: Janet Finlay, at Carolstone, on 26 Jun 1729 > > Wallace Lowe > Halifax > Nova Scotia >

On 30/06/11 08:00, Wallace asked: > Some questions: > > a. How do you, as instructor, define "northern Scotland?" You did > mention it on the Angus forum - does it include Angus? Aberdeen University calls the course Northern Scotland, but as far as I am concerned, it applies to anywhere in Scotland. The examples used tend to be from Angus northwards ( I have Angus ancestors), but the students often have links to other parts. Last session one had mainly English ancestors, and I was able to offer appropriate advice in that instance. > b. How "beginner" is the material? We assume minimal knowledge, as some students may be from America, etc., but the course goes into some depth at times, and I am able to give guidance with specific problems. I find that even Scottish students have large gaps in their historical knowledge of Scotland! > c. Would someone taking the course from North America be at any kind of > a disadvantage? No. Anything you don't understand (for whatever reason), you simply ask, and I will explain/elucidate/enlighten/blether back. We have a discussion area where students can talk to each other about their progress, and I chip in where neccessary with additional info. The course happens mainly on the webct website, and you submit your coursework through that too. I mark the work, and the University has an outside assessor who double-checks that the marking is fair. My biggest complaint is students who submit work without first reading over what they have written! All the best, Gordon.

Thanks for the elaboration, Gordon. You came close to sending me into convulsions of laughter with one response: > We assume minimal knowledge,/as some students may be from America/, etc., > - Wallace Fullerton - - Kensington, MD - /(just outside Washington, DC, where minimal knowledge seems to be a prerequisite for political success/)

I have also been looking for a course which will give me a qualification in genealogy. The only one I have found in Australia so far is at the University of New England [UNE] and way above what I can afford. However the University of Dundee has a Post Graduate Certificate of Local and Family History done via the internet. http://www.dundee.ac.uk/cais/ With the exchange rate as it is at the moment it is very tempting and about half the fees of the UNE course. The benefits of the Dundee course is that one can undertake the program as a whole or take it in sections. Mary Anne Gourley Melbourne

For those interested, Aberdeen University's Centre for Continuing Education runs an online course "Family history in Northern Scotland", for which I am the tutor. It caters for beginners of all ages, anywhere in the world. The latest course finished a month ago, so you would need to ask the university when it proposes to hold the next one. I am loath to promise anything, as eduication budget cuts might affect the Centre, but as the course is I think self-supporting, it should continue to run. The university decides the number of students it needs to run the course. While there is a bias towards the northern counties, the course covers all of Scotland, as most record types are national, even if some operate at parish level. Gordon Johnson.

Gordon: Thank you. Do the topics include the Tannadice and Carolstone areas My Interest + their children William LOW M: Janet Finlay, at Carolstone, on 26 Jun 1729 Wallace Lowe Halifax Nova Scotia > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:20:28 +0100 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Genealogy education > To: [email protected] > > For those interested, Aberdeen University's Centre for Continuing > Education runs an online course "Family history in Northern Scotland", > for which I am the tutor. It caters for beginners of all ages, anywhere > in the world. The latest course finished a month ago, so you would need > to ask the university when it proposes to hold the next one. I am loath > to promise anything, as eduication budget cuts might affect the Centre, > but as the course is I think self-supporting, it should continue to run. > The university decides the number of students it needs to run the course. > While there is a bias towards the northern counties, the course covers > all of Scotland, as most record types are national, even if some operate > at parish level. > Gordon Johnson. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: billbinns19 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5894/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, RONALD MCLAREN MILLAR He was born 1912 St Andrew/Dundee/Angus. I believe he was a Clerk to a firm of Jute Brokers in or around Dundee. He married JANE STEWART MILNE in 1939 at St Clement Dundee. Jane remarried in 1947 to a David James who I believe was a Bookmaker in Brough Ferry. I don't know if Ronald died or was divorced from Jane or if there were any children of their marriage. Looking for any information at all on Ronald. Thanks for any help, Bill Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Gordon, Looking at the University's website and the course catalogue, the /Family History in Northern Scotland/ course appears to be a second semester online offering at the undergraduate level. The course description is at http://www.abdn.ac.uk/lifelonglearning/history/documents/Prospectus10-11.pdf Some questions: a. How do you, as instructor, define "northern Scotland?" You did mention it on the Angus forum - does it include Angus? b. How "beginner" is the material? c. Would someone taking the course from North America be at any kind of a disadvantage? There are a bunch of other interesting course offerings there as well! Thanks! On 6/29/2011 12:20 PM, Gordon Johnson wrote: > For those interested, Aberdeen University's Centre for Continuing > Education runs an online course "Family history in Northern Scotland", > for which I am the tutor. It caters for beginners of all ages, anywhere > in the world. The latest course finished a month ago, so you would need > to ask the university when it proposes to hold the next one. I am loath > to promise anything, as eduication budget cuts might affect the Centre, > but as the course is I think self-supporting, it should continue to run. > The university decides the number of students it needs to run the course. > While there is a bias towards the northern counties, the course covers > all of Scotland, as most record types are national, even if some operate > at parish level. > Gordon Johnson. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ian_mackie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5893.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1881 Census Dwelling: 62 Commercial St Census Place: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203483 GRO Ref Volume 282-3 EnumDist 6 Page 22 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George BROWN M 29 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Bell Hanger Eliza BROWN M 33 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Eliza BROWN W 57 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Mother George BROWN 2 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son James BROWN 2 m M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Eliza BROWN 7 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Nice Occ: Scholar Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5893.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Almost all the Scottish records of births/baptisms, banns/marriages and deaths, and the 1841 to 1911 censuses, are available at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. The marriage certificate will tell you the full names of both sets of parents. You can find them in the 1881 and 1891 census, which will tell you the names and ages of the children, which will lead you to their birth certificates. Of course Brown is a very common name, so you may find it difficult to home in exactly on your people, other than the marriage certificate. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.