This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: adrian_bruce Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5900.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just so you don't start off on the wrong foot with them - you mention the child "sadly died after a few hours". Unless the Scots definition is different, if this description is true, then this is not a still birth, so the privacy rules will not have the absolute force that those for a still birth would. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scottgalloway_301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5902/mb.ashx Message Board Post: does anybody know if there is a list of the gravestones, ie names etc, that are left at this cemetery, i know a lot of stones are now missing, found out i have great great great gran there, would be interesting to find out where. will be in Dundee on Sunday, will look then, but would be good to know if the stones actually there first. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scottgalloway_301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5901/mb.ashx Message Board Post: does anybody know if there is a list of the gravestones, ie names etc, that are left at this cemetery, i know a lot of stones are now missing, found out i have great great great gran there, would be interesting to find out where. will be in Dundee on Sunday, will look then, but would be good to know if the stones actually there first. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scottgalloway_301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5900.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: many thanks for the replys, i have phoned Dundee Council, and will make an appointment to see the Bereavement Services on my next week day off Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5900.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't think there was a standard practice, some recorded the burials, others didn't The ones I have seen certainly record the parents but some registers have no mention of stillbirths at all It seems that some of the clergy / clerks treated it much as we would today whereas others just as something that happened and did not need recording If you have not already done so you could apply for the stillbirth entry as you are a sibling >From the GROS Extracts of still-birth records from 1939 onwards are available from National Records of Scotland for a fee. Due to the sensitive nature of still-birth registrations, these extracts are usually only issued to the parents of the still-born child. However, siblings of still-born children may apply, either with the express consent of a parent, or on their own behalf, where they can demonstrate that their parents are no longer alive. NJO Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5900.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have seen details of burials of stillborn babies in some burial record books. Normally these have included the names of the parents, and the baby has been buried in a family lair. However I do not know if this was standard practice everywhere; it may have been at the discretion of whoever managed the burial ground. The council would certainly know. Dundee City Council Bereavement Services: Tel: 01382 431536 Fax: 01382 433486 Email: [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scottgalloway_301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5900/mb.ashx Message Board Post: just found out that my Mother gave birth to a daughter in the early 1950s, who sadly died after a few hours, Iwas told in those days an option was to put the baby at the bottom of somebodies coffin who was about to be buried. Does anybody know if records were kept of where the child was buried, or was it anonymous, thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Cathy_Purcell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5447.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Actually this week my nephew's wife gave birth to their 2nd daughter; the older one will turn 1 on Sep 5! Surnames I am researching in Angus include YOOLOW(YOULO), WALLACE, HACKET, DAVIDSON, GRAY, DEUCHARS, mostly in Kettins and Dundee. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jdwaite1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/213.340.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Lisa Here is a link to a site "Brechin the ancient city" if you click on the history link on the home page you will find a story of John Gall in Brechin. Also a lot of info on old Brechin. http://www.caledonius.co.uk/brechin/ Good luck. John Cranbourne Australia Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: millo88 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5447.3.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hiya, thanks for the information that is exactly what i got and the surname is Quinn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: millo88 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5447.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi email me on [email protected] for more details not a memeber anymore Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

My maternal grandmother was Walker in Forfar who came from a fairly large family. I have a good idea of some of her siblings' history but one hits a dead end. Robert Walker was born before 1900 and, I believe, was married and had family before WW1 when he served in the UK forces. I have evidence that he left Scotland about 1930 and eventually reached Chicago where he worked on the "surface railway". As far as I know he had two sons and a daughter. I believe the daughter died rather young and I have heard, from family in Forfar, that one of the sons visited while serving with the American forces during WW2. Can anyone suggest where I might look on-line for more information about this family in Chicago? Cheers, Bruce D

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MaineNative Surnames: QUINN, FAGAN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5447.3.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If there is a QUINN connection, I'm interested in a QUINN family of Liverpool. Margaret QUINN married John Frederick Fagan abt 1878. This Quinn family was from Ireland (Census). Any connection? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5447.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: PS Birth of Timothy John Sutherland in Liverpool, June quarter, 1890. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5447.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: PS Birth of Timothy John Sutherland in Liverpool, June quarter, 1890. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5447.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There's a marriage of a William Sutherland to a Mary Quinn in Liverpool in the December quarter of 1887. Also a birth of William Archibald Sutherland in the December quarter of 1888 in Birkenhead. You could send away for both those certificates, if you don't already have them, and this would confirm Mary's surname and tell you the name of the father of William Archibald (1). See http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5447.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Quote: "a 1 year old & an 11mths old cant be done" A 1-year-old could be anything up to nearly 24 months old. A 23-month-old and an 11-month-old are (just) feasible. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: merseyfire Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5447.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I may be able to help with this as Sutherland appears in my family tree. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Everyone I viewed and enjoyed this 5 part video from the "Who Do You Think You Are" series and thought I would pass along the Link, thinking one, or more, of our List members might have a connection with the Dundee Marmalade Keiller family. I don't know if my own KEILLER twigs has a connection. Mine is topped with James Keiller born 1759 (died Dec 25, 1846 buried Howff grave # 366); and then his son James born Dec 6, 1797 who married my Jean NEISH and I have listed their 9 children- he died December 4, 1853 and is buried in Buried Howff Grave # 368. I have never really looked further into my Keiller family to see if they have a connection with the Marmalade family Barbara Neish Bermuda. Keiller Dundee Marmalade Family http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaOAdXv0Hqg <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaOAdXv0Hqg&feature=related> &feature=related It Notes :: Monty also wants to know more about his father's ancestors. His paternal grandmother, Leila Keiller, belonged to a Dundee family that made a fortune from what's believed to have been the first commercial brand of marmalade, Keiller's. So why did she live in Esher, Surrey? And where's the cash? The Keiller connection comes through William, Leila's father. He owned a quarter of what was once the largest confectioners in the UK, yet correspondence suggests a strained relationship with his brother and later his nephew, who eventually took over the company

Agreed. This and the extended discussion about Angus and Forfarshire have been both very helpful. This is a great list. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wallace Fullerton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Deceased Wife's Sister > Among the benefits of belonging to a forum such as this and some others > is how a relatively basic question and some simple responses can expand > into a very thorough and educational discussion. > > I didn't ask the question but I appreciate the thought and effort going > into the replies. My thanks to you all. > > > > On 8/2/2011 1:21 PM, John Hardy wrote: >> Adrian Guy Etchells is quite right that the prohibition was based on the >> theological view (both Catholic and Protestant) that a husband and wife >> became 'one flesh' on marriage, and the prohibited degrees listed in >> Leviticus. This was a well-thought out theological position that dates >> back to the 13th centuryiof not earlier (and was used by Henry VIII to >> justify one of his divorces/annulments).Practice was another matter - as >> with anything else including the Ten Commandments. The interesting point >> is that practice varied significantly from the theological view that was >> incorporated into the law. Clearly most people did not regard it - or >> cousin marriage - as inappropriate, yet alone incest. There are very few >> cases where someone was prosecuted - it usually crops up in civil >> disputes about inheritance as a ploy to disinherit children of such a >> marriage as they would then be illegitimate and to justify the annulment >> of a marraige instead of a divorce. The repeal of the law th! > at! >> prohibited it was a very bitter dispute. >> John >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message