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Indeed, this was a term for the person who ran an inn, tavern, or alehouse. It goes back to the 1700s.. Gordon.

Hi ????? >From a dictionary of old trades (Colin Waters) Nailer same as card nailer Card nailer = Machine maintenance worker in a cloth mill, often self employed No mention of change keeper However from scotlandspeople old occupations Change keeper One who is in charge of an inn Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Other than the obvious making nails for houses, what might a nailer be > relative to the weaving business? I did a search and found a reference to > old occupations in England (below) which refer to a nailer relative to the > wool carding machines. Presume this would be applicable to the jute > industry as well. Was the jute industry already starting/flourishing by > this time in Dundee? Is that why folks might have moved there from (for > example) Sterlingshire? My William Innes and sons William (and presumably > James) were in Dundee by 1822, and both give either nailer or nail maker as > their trades. (But not in the 1818 Directory). (Son James was a saw > maker/saw repairer, Small's Wynd). > > What was a change keeper? > > REF: Hall Genealogy Website: Old Occupations > 1) Made iron nails by hand 2) Maintained the teeth (nails) on the carding > machine used on wool & cotton before weaving

Jute didn't start to take off until the 1830s, though there was a little imported earlier. The fibres were brittle and needed processes which were developed around then, before it could be useful. However Dundee was a textile town long before jute, which was why jute could become established there. (It was also a whaling port and whale oil was used to process the fibres when jute got going.) The town made cheap linen cloth, originally from the flax grown in Angus then from imported Baltic flax. The flax, and later jute, was heckled on combs with iron teeth. Dundee attracted a lot of incomers from various areas, in the mid to late 18th century and through the 19th, connected with weaving and the industries associated with this. Jenny On 07/08/2011 03:00, Marilyn Arnold wrote: Was the jute industry already starting/flourishing by > this time in Dundee? Is that why folks might have moved there from (for > example) Sterlingshire?

Other than the obvious making nails for houses, what might a nailer be relative to the weaving business? I did a search and found a reference to old occupations in England (below) which refer to a nailer relative to the wool carding machines. Presume this would be applicable to the jute industry as well. Was the jute industry already starting/flourishing by this time in Dundee? Is that why folks might have moved there from (for example) Sterlingshire? My William Innes and sons William (and presumably James) were in Dundee by 1822, and both give either nailer or nail maker as their trades. (But not in the 1818 Directory). (Son James was a saw maker/saw repairer, Small's Wynd). What was a change keeper? REF: Hall Genealogy Website: Old Occupations 1) Made iron nails by hand 2) Maintained the teeth (nails) on the carding machine used on wool & cotton before weaving

A change-keepr was an inn keeper I think...I found this occupation list for Scotland a while ago. Jeff http://www.scotsfamily.com/occupations.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Arnold" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:00 PM Subject: [ANGUS] Occupation: nailer; nail maker; change keeper 1822, Dundee > Other than the obvious making nails for houses, what might a nailer be > relative to the weaving business? I did a search and found a reference to > old occupations in England (below) which refer to a nailer relative to the > wool carding machines. Presume this would be applicable to the jute > industry as well. Was the jute industry already starting/flourishing by > this time in Dundee? Is that why folks might have moved there from (for > example) Sterlingshire? My William Innes and sons William (and presumably > James) were in Dundee by 1822, and both give either nailer or nail maker > as > their trades. (But not in the 1818 Directory). (Son James was a saw > maker/saw repairer, Small's Wynd). > > What was a change keeper? > > REF: Hall Genealogy Website: Old Occupations > 1) Made iron nails by hand 2) Maintained the teeth (nails) on the carding > machine used on wool & cotton before weaving > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Marilyn, I've looked for Powrie and Innes in all the Dundee cemetaries. There are lots of Powrie's, but none of them match yours. There are only a few Innes's, but again none of them match yours. It's unlikely that we would find the Powrie Children, as they were all born after 1855, and the books are primarily pre-1855, although some later ones do slip through. Sorry I can't be more help. I don't know if you are aware of Powrie Castle - I do know that Mary(Bruinswood) is aware of it. The castle is currently up for sale. You may be interested in having a look while you get the chance. http://residentialsearch.savills.co.uk/property-detail/232655/list/property-for-sale/scotland/dundee/dundee/dd1/0/0/1000000000/10.0/hi/gbp/1 If the link does not work, look for www.savills.co.uk and search for Dundee good luck Doreen --- On Sat, 6/8/11, Marilyn Arnold <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Marilyn Arnold <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Logie Burial Ground (Dundee) > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Saturday, 6 August, 2011, 2:54 > And, if your MI book is still out and > you're willing to do other lookups, is there a: > > POWRIE -- Family #1: > John Powrie (1814- > Isobella (Bruce) Powrie (~1811? - > > > POWRIE -- Family #2: > John Powrie (1833-1919) (son of JOhn and Isobella above) > Jane Haddon Innes (1834-bef 1881) > > Children: > Helen Powrie, b. 1859.  Died bef 1861? > Isabella Bruce (Powrie), b. 1861.  wife of Robert > Hutcheon Low > Georgina Thompson (Powrie) Doll or D'all or Dall, 1865, b. > wif of John Dall.  He died bef 1891.  Georgina > died aft 1919. > Alexander Stephen Powrie, b. 1868.  Died bef 1881. > Elizabeth Innes Powrie, b. 1871.  Died bef 1881. > Note:  They had 2 other children, but they moved to > the US. > > INNES:  Believe Jane Haddon Innes Powrie's siblings > (most of) and parents were buried in the Howff, but if you > see Helen (Reid) Innes, Jane (Powrie)'s mother, I'll gladly > claim her!  She was b. ~ 1803. > > Thanks, in advance, for your assistance. > > Marilyn in US > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Logie Burial Ground (Dundee) > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this > mailing list. > > > > Author: heather51us > > Surnames: > > Classification: queries > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5902.1.1.2/mb.ashx > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > I found this thread interesting. I have a John Ewan > buried in Logie Burial ground. There are still some stones > in this cemetery but they are very old and I wasn't able to > read any of them, when I visited in May. I think contacting > the organization in charge of burials in Dundee/Angus, is > yopur best bet. > > > > Doreen, would you happen to have your MI book still > out? I was wondering if you might look for a burial of an > Alexander Ewan, some time after 1851? Or any other Ewans for > that matter? Thanks. > > > > Heather in Canada > > > > Important Note: > > The author of this message may not be subscribed to > this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click > on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the > board. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DoreenCuthbert Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5902.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Heather, There is no Ewan recorded in Logie. I found the following in the Howff. 1837 By David Ewan shoemaker Dundee, died 11.9.1848, age 79, imo his wife Ann Preston 24.111.1827, age 56, and their children Agnes, David and Ann, also Alex a carpenter 11.5.1837 age 42, Isabel 14.2.1848, age 54 Thomas Ewan, manufacturer Dundee 8.2.1832, age 69, wife Helen Bain 29.9.1831, age 54 There is also a stone in the Eastern Cemetary, which also mentions this couple, but also their children. Doreen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: millo88 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5447.3.4.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I haven't really been able to get much information about her, all i know is that she married my great great grandad 1887 and they had two kids, William A and Timothy J. email me on [email protected] for more info Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MaineNative Surnames: QUINN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5447.3.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If Mary QUINN is connected to your family and you have info on her parents, would like to see if she is connected to the Margaret QUINN who married my John Frederick Fagan. This was all contemporaneous in Liverpool. Marilyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: heather51us Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5902.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found this thread interesting. I have a John Ewan buried in Logie Burial ground. There are still some stones in this cemetery but they are very old and I wasn't able to read any of them, when I visited in May. I think contacting the organization in charge of burials in Dundee/Angus, is yopur best bet. Doreen, would you happen to have your MI book still out? I was wondering if you might look for a burial of an Alexander Ewan, some time after 1851? Or any other Ewans for that matter? Thanks. Heather in Canada Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scottgalloway_301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5902.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks Doreen, i will look on Sunday Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Arnold To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Logie Burial Ground (Dundee) And, if your MI book is still out and you're willing to do other lookups, is there a: POWRIE -- Family #1: John Powrie (1814- Isobella (Bruce) Powrie (~1811? - POWRIE -- Family #2: John Powrie (1833-1919) (son of JOhn and Isobella above) Jane Haddon Innes (1834-bef 1881) Children: Helen Powrie, b. 1859. Died bef 1861? Isabella Bruce (Powrie), b. 1861. wife of Robert Hutcheon Low Georgina Thompson (Powrie) Doll or D'all or Dall, 1865, b. wif of John Dall. He died bef 1891. Georgina died aft 1919. Alexander Stephen Powrie, b. 1868. Died bef 1881. Elizabeth Innes Powrie, b. 1871. Died bef 1881. Note: They had 2 other children, but they moved to the US. INNES: Believe Jane Haddon Innes Powrie's siblings (most of) and parents were buried in the Howff, but if you see Helen (Reid) Innes, Jane (Powrie)'s mother, I'll gladly claim her! She was b. ~ 1803. Thanks, in advance, for your assistance. Marilyn in US ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Logie Burial Ground (Dundee) > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: heather51us > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5902.1.1.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I found this thread interesting. I have a John Ewan buried in Logie Burial ground. There are still some stones in this cemetery but they are very old and I wasn't able to read any of them, when I visited in May. I think contacting the organization in charge of burials in Dundee/Angus, is yopur best bet. > > Doreen, would you happen to have your MI book still out? I was wondering if you might look for a burial of an Alexander Ewan, some time after 1851? Or any other Ewans for that matter? Thanks. > > Heather in Canada > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And, if your MI book is still out and you're willing to do other lookups, is there a: POWRIE -- Family #1: John Powrie (1814- Isobella (Bruce) Powrie (~1811? - POWRIE -- Family #2: John Powrie (1833-1919) (son of JOhn and Isobella above) Jane Haddon Innes (1834-bef 1881) Children: Helen Powrie, b. 1859. Died bef 1861? Isabella Bruce (Powrie), b. 1861. wife of Robert Hutcheon Low Georgina Thompson (Powrie) Doll or D'all or Dall, 1865, b. wif of John Dall. He died bef 1891. Georgina died aft 1919. Alexander Stephen Powrie, b. 1868. Died bef 1881. Elizabeth Innes Powrie, b. 1871. Died bef 1881. Note: They had 2 other children, but they moved to the US. INNES: Believe Jane Haddon Innes Powrie's siblings (most of) and parents were buried in the Howff, but if you see Helen (Reid) Innes, Jane (Powrie)'s mother, I'll gladly claim her! She was b. ~ 1803. Thanks, in advance, for your assistance. Marilyn in US ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Logie Burial Ground (Dundee) > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: heather51us > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5902.1.1.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I found this thread interesting. I have a John Ewan buried in Logie Burial ground. There are still some stones in this cemetery but they are very old and I wasn't able to read any of them, when I visited in May. I think contacting the organization in charge of burials in Dundee/Angus, is yopur best bet. > > Doreen, would you happen to have your MI book still out? I was wondering if you might look for a burial of an Alexander Ewan, some time after 1851? Or any other Ewans for that matter? Thanks. > > Heather in Canada > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bruce, I used to live in the Chicagoland area and am now in Delavan, WI just 90 miles northwest. I would be glad to try to do some research for you. I can start tomorrow afternoon looking at the available records. Catherine MacKenzie Kunkel, Delavan, WI On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Bruce Dorward wrote: > My maternal grandmother was Walker in Forfar who came from a fairly > large family. I have a good idea of some of her siblings' history but > one hits a dead end. > > Robert Walker was born before 1900 and, I believe, was married and had > family before WW1 when he served in the UK forces. I have evidence > that he left Scotland about 1930 and eventually reached Chicago where > he worked on the "surface railway". > > As far as I know he had two sons and a daughter. I believe the > daughter died rather young and I have heard, from family in Forfar, > that one of the sons visited while serving with the American forces > during WW2. > > Can anyone suggest where I might look on-line for more information > about this family in Chicago? > > Cheers, > Bruce D > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DoreenCuthbert Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5902.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I've just looked at the book which has the inscriptions for Logie (or Lochee). There is no-one called either King or Gagan listed here I'm afraid. Because she died after 1855 you might be lucky and find something if you go and look, but there's no guarantee. I don't think there's any other way to find out than visiting yourself. Doreen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5900.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi again As she lived for five hours she was not still born so that has no bearing (ie access to records) The burial would be conducted in the normal way and recorded as such, so its just a matter of finding out where. Is it possible she was cremated? As far as stillbirths are concerned its the registration that is under tight access control, the burial if recorded would not have any privacy limitation, no more than the little girl you seek. Good luck in your quest NJO Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: adrian_bruce Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5900.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I believe that from a legal viewpoint, it should make it as simple as a normal burial. Which is to say, sometimes not simple at all... But still-births are so sensitive that something close to a total prohibition is in place for any information relating to them (see earlier post in this thread) and if you'd gone in there mentioning "still birth", the shutters would have come down until you'd proven all sorts of things. Or at least, that's my understanding. There are no guarantees for you even now, because it would be foolish of me to say that attitudes and records then will give us the answers we would like now. Best of luck. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DoreenCuthbert Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5902.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Scott, I have the pre-1855 MI books for Dundee, which do have some post 1855 entries. I'll have a look for you when I get home tonight. Doreen Cuthbert Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scottgalloway_301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5900.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: sorry, should have classified that better, the little girl was 5 hours old before she died.. attached file...maureen galloway, do you think that will make it easier to find information about her burial? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.