** My wife suggests that it might mean a temporary excommunication, as opposed to a permanent one. Gordon Johnson. Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:44:12 -0700 From: "Jim Bundy" <[email protected]> Subject: [ANGUS] Barry Angus parish register, note 110 To: "Rootsweb Angus" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Listers, I can't seem to find a good definition of the "lesser excommunication". Sounds like his own minister wouldn't pronounce it on Henry Balfour. Obviously he wasn't obedient as he was charged with "Contumacy". I wonder if I'll get any more information on this case in future pages.

I have looked on DeceasedOnline.com and found the following: Kirriemuir Cemetery Grave Reference D/B/26 (that could also have read G/D/26 -- so would need to check into both locations) Taylor, Jane burial date 13 Oct 1908 Taylor, James burial date 12 Feb 1877 Taylor, Jane burial date 17 nov 1869 age 80 Hope that this was helpful. Catherine - Delavan, WI, USA On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:30 AM, norma wrote: > Dear Lister, > > I am still looking for information on James Taylor and Jane Cuthbert. > How would I go about finding where they maybe buried in the Kirriemuir > Cemetery. When I go into Kirriemuir cemetery I just get the 60 famous > people - and I don't think they would ever have made that list. Is > there a phone number or a office I could visit. I intend to visit in > the first week of September from Shepparton Australia > Norma Anderson (Taylor) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim Bundy wrote: >Hi Listers, >I can't seem to find a good definition of the "lesser excommunication". > > According to Rev. Andrew Edgar in his "Old Church Life in Scotland" (1885): "The sentence of lesser excommunication meant suspension from the Lord's table ..." ie exclusion from taking Communion. By comparison, the greater excommunication, while it also involved exclusion from the Scarament, could involve serious civil penalties, such as being declared a rebel or having one's goods poinded. Gavin Bell

Hi Listers, I can't seem to find a good definition of the "lesser excommunication". Sounds like his own minister wouldn't pronounce it on Henry Balfour. Obviously he wasn't obedient as he was charged with "Contumacy". I wonder if I'll get any more information on this case in future pages. 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Gal 6th 9th Text as before Coll 0/16/2 June 3d Lect Phil 1st 1st Text Phil 2d 10th 11 Coll 0/15/11 In Seat Rent Preceeding Whit 1738 9/10/6 10th Lect Phil 1st 9th Text as before Coll 0/13/10 17th Lect Phil 1st 19th Text as befor Coll 1/10/0 24th Lect Phil 2d 1st Text Psal 97th 1st Coll 0/13/0 July 1st Lect Phil 2d 9th Text as before Coll 0/18/6 8th Lect Phil 2d 14th Text as before Coll 0/18/0 15th Lect Phil 3d 1st Text as before Coll 0/12/3 >From Patrick Binnie for the Removal of a Grave Stone 0/12/0 22d Lect Phil 3d 7th Text as before Coll 0/17/10 29th Lect Phil 3d 13th Text as before Coll 0/12/22 Augt 5th Lect Phil 4th 1st Text Jer 8th 22d Coll 1/5/0 12th Lect Phil 4th 8th Text as befor Coll 0/10/11 19th Preached Mt Bishop Probtd Lect Psal 90th Text Psal 90th 12th Coll 0/8/8 26th Lect Coll 1st 1st Text as before Coll 1/5/0 7ber 2d Lect Coll 1st 9th Text John 5th 40th Coll 1/2/4 (total) 826/12/8 Page 70 Brought over 826/12/8 7ber 9th Lect Philisians 1st 8th Text as before Coll 1/3/3 16th Lect Coll 2d Chap 1st Text as before Coll 0/10/8 For the Mortcloath to Isabell Smiths Corps 0/13/4 For the Removal of an Head Stone to Ditto 0/12/0 23d Lect Col 2d 11th Text as before Coll 1/5/5 Balfour appears before ye Congregation After Devine Worship in the Fornoon the Minister Intimate the Sentence of the Presbytery relating to Henry Balfour appeared before the Congregation to Acknowledge his Sin in Scanda being the Sess & C (see Min Reg Sed 30th Preached Mr Traill Mnr of the Gospel at Panbryde Lect Luke 18th 35th Text Isiah 53d 10th Coll 1/3/5 8ber 7th Preached Mr Bishop Probtd Lect Isa 65th 1st Text 1 Cor 13th 12th Coll 0/16/7 This day after Devine Service Henry Balfour appeared before the Congregation in Obedience to the Sentence of the Presty 14th Lect Coll 3rd 1st Text John 5th 40th Coll 0/18/6 21st Lect Col 3d 9th Text as before Coll 0/1710 28th Lect Col 3d 18th Text as before Coll 0/16/6 9ber 4th No Sermon, the Mnr being from Home 11th Lect Col 4th 1st Text as before Coll 0/17/10 18th Lect Coll 4th 10th Text as before Coll 0/16/8 25th Lect 1 Thess 1st 1st Text as before Coll 0/14/9 10ber 2d Lect Thess 1st 5th Text Rev 3d 17th Coll 0/13/11 9th Lect Thess 2d 1st Text as before Coll 0/15/7 16th Lect Thess 2d 7th Text as before Coll 0/14/4 23d Lect Thess 2d 13th Text as before Coll 0/15/6 30th No Sermon, the Mnr being absent (total) 831/7/6 Page 71 >From preceeding Page 841/7/6 January 6th Lect 1 Thess 3rd 1st Text as before Coll 0/11/7 9th Being a Fast Appointed by the Commissioner of the General Assembly Chann 20th 3d Coll 0/14/0 13th Lect 1 Thess 3rd 6th Text Rev 3rd 17th & 18th Coll 0/11/0 20 Lect Thess 4th 1st Text as before Coll 0/11/0 24th For a Mortcloath to Andrew Ramsays Corps 0/13/4 27th Lect Thess 4th 9th Text as before Coll 0/12/0 Febru 3d Lect 2 Thess 1st 1st Text as before Coll 0/14/8 10th Lect II Thess 5th 8th Text as before Coll 0/13/5 17th Lect Thess 5th 14th Text as before Coll 0/13/6 24th Lect II Thess 1st 1st Text as before Coll 0/15/4 March 2d Lect II Thess 1st 5th Text as before Coll 0/13/3 9th Lect Thess 2d 1st Text as before Coll 0/13/0 16 Preached Mr Small Minister of the Gospel at Carmylie Lect Matt 28th 12th Text Heb 12th 24th 0/15/5 This day Henry Balfour appeared before the Congregation for scandals dy the Session and for Contumacy He was rebuked but would not profess Sorrow for his fault 23d Lect Thess 2d 5th Text as before Coll 0/16/3 30th Lect Thess 3d 1st Text as before Coll 0/10/10 Aprile 6th Lect 2 Thess 3rd 6th Text Psa 18th 23d Coll 0/12/4 13th Lect I Tim 1st 1st Text as above Coll 1/0/4 20th Lect Tim 1st 11th Text as before Coll 0/15/2 27th Lect Tim 2d 1st Text as before Coll 1/1/9 This day David Miller in Dewhouse & Jean Kerr Monifieth Parish were proclaimed for the first time May 4th Lect Tim 2d 9th Text as before Coll 0/14/0 The forsd persons procld pro 2do 11th Lect by Mr James Bishop Probtd Psa 68 Text Joh 5th 6th Coll 1/1/6 The forsd persons procld pro 3to at ult (total) 856/11/10 Page 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Thanks Nick. Yes, I did say the two I mentioned were earlier but mused at the possibility that later two were descendants. Some of my later Duncans were in Dundee having come from the Edzell, Montrose and Lochlee areas. I know of one other Ian Gammage but he is in England so the one in Canada is a third. I have some connections to a Gammage family in Canada but to Ian so far as I am aware. I am in Australia. If anything does crop up on the Duncans it would be great to hear. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "nicholas wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] DUNCAN BROTHERS, CALCUTTA > Ian, > > Thanks for your message. I think your own Duncans predated mine by many > years, and as far as I know mine did not arrive in India until late 19th > c. > > The founders of Duncan Bros were late arrivals too. I think the firm was > founded in 1858. I was looking for a Dundee connection but so far had no > luck. > > There must be several ian gammages around the world but I knew one in > Vancouver in the mid 70s and thought I would ask if you were him. People > do > move around > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Ian <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Nick, >> >> Not sure if these two DUNCAN brothers are connected to my DUNCAN lines. >> However, I did have DUNCAN relatives in India. One was Governor of the >> then >> Bombay from 1793-1813. There were other family there at the time >> including >> a >> younger brother who died in a shipwreck supposedly in the Calcutta area. >> Information is sparse on this branch of the family. However, it is >> possible >> that younger family members went to India in the period you mention. >> >> Do you know from where the two brothers you mention came, please? >> >> Best wishes, Ian Gammage >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "nicholas wilson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:01 AM >> Subject: [ANGUS] DUNCAN BROTHERS, CALCUTTA >> >> >> > Hello, >> > >> > In 1858, two Duncan brothers set up the trading firm of Duncan Brothers >> in >> > Calcutta to trade in cotton, jute and tea and I am wondering if anyone >> > knows >> > of a Dundee connection. I thought Jute might have provided a link but >> that >> > is just surmising on my part >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Nick >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Doreen: Thanks for checking. So far the burial location of my Powries is a mystery! (My Innes' were in the Howff). But, I was VERY excited to see the pix of the Powrie Castle. It was up for sale a few years ago and I got to see pix then, but there are more pix with this new sale. Very, very neat! While there's no connection between the castle and our Powrie Family (Mary) it's still neat to see such an incredible place with the name attached! (There's Innes House on the other line, outside Elgin -- no "house" by US standards -- wow. My cousin and I stayed there in 97 in a flat in the back. very, very neat!) Thanks Doreen, Marilyn in US ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOREEN CUTHBERT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Logie Burial Ground (Dundee) Marilyn, I've looked for Powrie and Innes in all the Dundee cemetaries. There are lots of Powrie's, but none of them match yours. There are only a few Innes's, but again none of them match yours. It's unlikely that we would find the Powrie Children, as they were all born after 1855, and the books are primarily pre-1855, although some later ones do slip through. Sorry I can't be more help. I don't know if you are aware of Powrie Castle - I do know that Mary(Bruinswood) is aware of it. The castle is currently up for sale. You may be interested in having a look while you get the chance. http://residentialsearch.savills.co.uk/property-detail/232655/list/property-for-sale/scotland/dundee/dundee/dd1/0/0/1000000000/10.0/hi/gbp/1 If the link does not work, look for www.savills.co.uk and search for Dundee good luck Doreen --- On Sat, 6/8/11, Marilyn Arnold <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Marilyn Arnold <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Logie Burial Ground (Dundee) > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Saturday, 6 August, 2011, 2:54 > And, if your MI book is still out and > you're willing to do other lookups, is there a: > > POWRIE -- Family #1: > John Powrie (1814- > Isobella (Bruce) Powrie (~1811? - > > > POWRIE -- Family #2: > John Powrie (1833-1919) (son of JOhn and Isobella above) > Jane Haddon Innes (1834-bef 1881) > > Children: > Helen Powrie, b. 1859. Died bef 1861? > Isabella Bruce (Powrie), b. 1861. wife of Robert > Hutcheon Low > Georgina Thompson (Powrie) Doll or D'all or Dall, 1865, b. > wif of John Dall. He died bef 1891. Georgina > died aft 1919. > Alexander Stephen Powrie, b. 1868. Died bef 1881. > Elizabeth Innes Powrie, b. 1871. Died bef 1881. > Note: They had 2 other children, but they moved to > the US. > > INNES: Believe Jane Haddon Innes Powrie's siblings > (most of) and parents were buried in the Howff, but if you > see Helen (Reid) Innes, Jane (Powrie)'s mother, I'll gladly > claim her! She was b. ~ 1803. > > Thanks, in advance, for your assistance. > > Marilyn in US > >

Bruce: I's think that the "surface railway" is the railroad system. I understand that the pension records can be illuminating, if in fact he worked for the RR. SEE: http://www.rrb.gov/mep/genealogy.asp. If you have access to Footnote.com via your local library or FHC, you can find post 1930 City Directories for Chicago ("the windy city"). In case he was in Chicago before 1930, here's an online dir for 1928/9: http://www.chsmedia.org/househistory/polk/Menus/PolkA.pdf. Do you have access to ancestry? I'd be happy to look up Robert's son in the WWII military records if you provide a name. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Dorward" <[email protected]> To: "Angus List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: [ANGUS] Tracing family in Chicago or nearby > My maternal grandmother was Walker in Forfar who came from a fairly large > family. I have a good idea of some of her siblings' history but one hits a > dead end. > > Robert Walker was born before 1900 and, I believe, was married and had > family before WW1 when he served in the UK forces. I have evidence that he > left Scotland about 1930 and eventually reached Chicago where he worked on > the "surface railway". > > As far as I know he had two sons and a daughter. I believe the daughter > died rather young and I have heard, from family in Forfar, that one of the > sons visited while serving with the American forces during WW2. > > Can anyone suggest where I might look on-line for more information about > this family in Chicago? > > Cheers, > Bruce D > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to Jeff, Jenny, Nivard and Gordon who answered my questions about these two occupations and the jute industry in the early 1800s. Very helpful! I really appreciate your thoughtfulness. Little by little these ancestors of mine are coming into better focus, thanks to the kindness of the wonderful folks on this list. It's rather exciting! Marilyn Arnold US

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> Anne, can I try to subscribe via my hotmail.com email address: > [email protected] rather than the other one? > Anne Godfrey > I didn't say it was your fault; I said I was blaming you. Yes, of course. That is an excellent solution. Best also to whitelist [email protected] just in case you spam filter doesn't like it. Let me know how you get on. Best wishes Anne

Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:00 PM Subject: ANGUS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 193 > > > If you are responding to an item in this Digest, please remember to use > the item, title, not the Digest title, so that other people can see what > you are responding to! Thank you. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Taylor/Cuthbert (Anne Burgess) > 2. Re: Taylor/Cuthbert (Anne Burgess) > 3. (no subject) (Anne Godfrey) > 4. Re: DUNCAN BROTHERS, CALCUTTA (nicholas wilson) > 5. Re: Taylor/Cuthbert (norma) (Alison Leedham) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:08:33 +0100 > From: "Anne Burgess" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Taylor/Cuthbert > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Norma > > Have you looked at http://www.deceasedonline.com/ ? > > All the extant information from the burial records held by Angus > Council for its area (that is, the County of Angus less those > parts now administered by Dundee City Council) have been made > available via Deceased Online, and access to the orginal books > is no longer permitted, so even if you ring up the burial > grounds office they will just refer you there. > > Best wishes > > Anne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "norma" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:30 AM > Subject: [ANGUS] Taylor/Cuthbert > > >> Dear Lister, >> >> I am still looking for information on James Taylor and Jane >> Cuthbert. How would I go about finding where they maybe >> buried in the Kirriemuir Cemetery. When I go into Kirriemuir >> cemetery I just get the 60 famous people - and I don't think >> they would ever have made that list. Is there a phone number >> or a office I could visit. I intend to visit in the first >> week of September from Shepparton Australia >> Norma Anderson (Taylor) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:08:33 +0100 > From: "Anne Burgess" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Taylor/Cuthbert > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Norma > > Have you looked at http://www.deceasedonline.com/ ? > > All the extant information from the burial records held by Angus > Council for its area (that is, the County of Angus less those > parts now administered by Dundee City Council) have been made > available via Deceased Online, and access to the orginal books > is no longer permitted, so even if you ring up the burial > grounds office they will just refer you there. > > Best wishes > > Anne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "norma" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:30 AM > Subject: [ANGUS] Taylor/Cuthbert > > >> Dear Lister, >> >> I am still looking for information on James Taylor and Jane >> Cuthbert. How would I go about finding where they maybe >> buried in the Kirriemuir Cemetery. When I go into Kirriemuir >> cemetery I just get the 60 famous people - and I don't think >> they would ever have made that list. Is there a phone number >> or a office I could visit. 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Order 3 products and get free Regular > Airmail shipping!. http://miscelaneagriega.com/com.page.php?ravGIS=94c4 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700 > From: nicholas wilson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] DUNCAN BROTHERS, CALCUTTA > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Ian, > > Thanks for your message. I think your own Duncans predated mine by many > years, and as far as I know mine did not arrive in India until late 19th > c. > > The founders of Duncan Bros were late arrivals too. I think the firm was > founded in 1858. I was looking for a Dundee connection but so far had no > luck. > > There must be several ian gammages around the world but I knew one in > Vancouver in the mid 70s and thought I would ask if you were him. People > do > move around > > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Ian <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Nick, >> >> Not sure if these two DUNCAN brothers are connected to my DUNCAN lines. >> However, I did have DUNCAN relatives in India. One was Governor of the >> then >> Bombay from 1793-1813. There were other family there at the time >> including >> a >> younger brother who died in a shipwreck supposedly in the Calcutta area. >> Information is sparse on this branch of the family. However, it is >> possible >> that younger family members went to India in the period you mention. >> >> Do you know from where the two brothers you mention came, please? >> >> Best wishes, Ian Gammage >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "nicholas wilson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:01 AM >> Subject: [ANGUS] DUNCAN BROTHERS, CALCUTTA >> >> >> > Hello, >> > >> > In 1858, two Duncan brothers set up the trading firm of Duncan Brothers >> in >> > Calcutta to trade in cotton, jute and tea and I am wondering if anyone >> > knows >> > of a Dundee connection. I thought Jute might have provided a link but >> that >> > is just surmising on my part >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Nick >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:18:14 -0700 > From: Alison Leedham <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Taylor/Cuthbert (norma) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Norma, > > You don't give any time frame. But Kirriemuir Cemetery records are now > available at > http://www.deceasedonline.com > > I see two Jane Cuthberts and at least one James Taylor > > Searching is free, but you have to pay to get the record that shows the > precise lair and location. Be warned, however, that knowing where they > are doesn't mean you will find anything, especially with older graves. I > went hunting for a number of graves last year in several cemetaries, and > not one was marked. > > > Alison > Vancouver > > > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:30:49 +1000 >> From: "norma" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [ANGUS] Taylor/Cuthbert >> To: <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Dear Lister, >> >> I am still looking for information on James Taylor and Jane Cuthbert. >> How would I go about finding where they maybe buried in the Kirriemuir >> Cemetery. When I go into Kirriemuir cemetery I just get the 60 famous >> people - and I don't think they would ever have made that list. Is there >> a phone number or a office I could visit. I intend to visit in the first >> week of September from Shepparton Australia >> Norma Anderson (Taylor) >> >> ------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ANGUS list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ANGUS mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ANGUS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 193 > ************************************* >

Anne, can I try to subscribe via my hotmail.com email address: [email protected] rather than the other one? Anne Godfrey I didn't say it was your fault; I said I was blaming you.

Dear Lister, I am still looking for information on James Taylor and Jane Cuthbert. How would I go about finding where they maybe buried in the Kirriemuir Cemetery. When I go into Kirriemuir cemetery I just get the 60 famous people - and I don't think they would ever have made that list. Is there a phone number or a office I could visit. I intend to visit in the first week of September from Shepparton Australia Norma Anderson (Taylor)

Norma, You don't give any time frame. But Kirriemuir Cemetery records are now available at http://www.deceasedonline.com I see two Jane Cuthberts and at least one James Taylor Searching is free, but you have to pay to get the record that shows the precise lair and location. Be warned, however, that knowing where they are doesn't mean you will find anything, especially with older graves. I went hunting for a number of graves last year in several cemetaries, and not one was marked. Alison Vancouver > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:30:49 +1000 > From: "norma" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ANGUS] Taylor/Cuthbert > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Lister, > > I am still looking for information on James Taylor and Jane Cuthbert. How would I go about finding where they maybe buried in the Kirriemuir Cemetery. When I go into Kirriemuir cemetery I just get the 60 famous people - and I don't think they would ever have made that list. Is there a phone number or a office I could visit. I intend to visit in the first week of September from Shepparton Australia > Norma Anderson (Taylor) > > ------------------------------

Hello Nick, Not sure if these two DUNCAN brothers are connected to my DUNCAN lines. However, I did have DUNCAN relatives in India. One was Governor of the then Bombay from 1793-1813. There were other family there at the time including a younger brother who died in a shipwreck supposedly in the Calcutta area. Information is sparse on this branch of the family. However, it is possible that younger family members went to India in the period you mention. Do you know from where the two brothers you mention came, please? Best wishes, Ian Gammage ----- Original Message ----- From: "nicholas wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: [ANGUS] DUNCAN BROTHERS, CALCUTTA > Hello, > > In 1858, two Duncan brothers set up the trading firm of Duncan Brothers in > Calcutta to trade in cotton, jute and tea and I am wondering if anyone > knows > of a Dundee connection. I thought Jute might have provided a link but that > is just surmising on my part > > Thanks. > > Nick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Ian, Thanks for your message. I think your own Duncans predated mine by many years, and as far as I know mine did not arrive in India until late 19th c. The founders of Duncan Bros were late arrivals too. I think the firm was founded in 1858. I was looking for a Dundee connection but so far had no luck. There must be several ian gammages around the world but I knew one in Vancouver in the mid 70s and thought I would ask if you were him. People do move around On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Ian <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Nick, > > Not sure if these two DUNCAN brothers are connected to my DUNCAN lines. > However, I did have DUNCAN relatives in India. One was Governor of the then > Bombay from 1793-1813. There were other family there at the time including > a > younger brother who died in a shipwreck supposedly in the Calcutta area. > Information is sparse on this branch of the family. However, it is possible > that younger family members went to India in the period you mention. > > Do you know from where the two brothers you mention came, please? > > Best wishes, Ian Gammage > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nicholas wilson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:01 AM > Subject: [ANGUS] DUNCAN BROTHERS, CALCUTTA > > > > Hello, > > > > In 1858, two Duncan brothers set up the trading firm of Duncan Brothers > in > > Calcutta to trade in cotton, jute and tea and I am wondering if anyone > > knows > > of a Dundee connection. I thought Jute might have provided a link but > that > > is just surmising on my part > > > > Thanks. > > > > Nick > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Norma Have you looked at http://www.deceasedonline.com/ ? All the extant information from the burial records held by Angus Council for its area (that is, the County of Angus less those parts now administered by Dundee City Council) have been made available via Deceased Online, and access to the orginal books is no longer permitted, so even if you ring up the burial grounds office they will just refer you there. Best wishes Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "norma" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:30 AM Subject: [ANGUS] Taylor/Cuthbert > Dear Lister, > > I am still looking for information on James Taylor and Jane > Cuthbert. How would I go about finding where they maybe > buried in the Kirriemuir Cemetery. When I go into Kirriemuir > cemetery I just get the 60 famous people - and I don't think > they would ever have made that list. Is there a phone number > or a office I could visit. I intend to visit in the first > week of September from Shepparton Australia > Norma Anderson (Taylor) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Hello, In 1858, two Duncan brothers set up the trading firm of Duncan Brothers in Calcutta to trade in cotton, jute and tea and I am wondering if anyone knows of a Dundee connection. I thought Jute might have provided a link but that is just surmising on my part Thanks. Nick

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