This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scottgalloway_301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5903.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thought i was confused before, ha ha, now my head is about to explode... ok, that last post you made there is no Edward Farrell mentioned, i take it he wasnt born yet, i think it was about 1879 he was born, i google the name Garret, and it is another version of Gerald, i will post another two attachments, do you think this is the same person Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: r_laurence Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5903.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: MARY ANN FARRELL Pedigree Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 18 JUL 1872 Dundee, Angus, Scotland Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: GARRET FARRELL Family Mother: ROSE CONNELLY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JOSEPH FARRELL Pedigree Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 21 JUL 1874 Dundee, Angus, Scotland Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: GARRET FARRELL Family Mother: ROSE CONNOLLY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HELEN FARRELL Pedigree Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 23 MAR 1871 Dundee, Angus, Scotland Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: GARRET FARRELL Family Mother: ROSE CONNOR --------------------------------------------------------------------- Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: r_laurence Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5903.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have a look at this 1871 census 1891 Scotland Census about Edward Farrel Name: Edward Farrel Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relationship: Son Father's name: Garret Farrel Mother's name: Rose Farrel Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration Number: 282/3 Registration district: St Clement Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 286 Hilltown Occupation: Jute Mill Worker ED: 20 Household schedule number: 105 Line: 10 Roll: CSSCT1891_92 Household Members: Name Age Garret Farrel 39 Rose Farrel 38 Mary S Farrel 18 Joseph Farrel 16 Kate Farrel 13 Edward Farrel 11 Garret Farrel 8 Robert Farrel 6 James Farrel 4 Rose Farrel 2 --------------------------------------------------- 1891 Scotland Census about Garret Farrel Name: Garret Farrel Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Rose Farrel Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 282/3 Registration district: St Clement Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 286 Hilltown Occupation: Jute Mill Overseer ED: 20 Household schedule number: 105 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1891_92 Household Members: Name Age Garret Farrel 39 Rose Farrel 38 Mary S Farrel 18 Joseph Farrel 16 Kate Farrel 13 Edward Farrel 11 Garret Farrel 8 Robert Farrel 6 James Farrel 4 Rose Farrel 2 ----------------------------------------------- 1881 Scotland Census about Edward Farrel Name: Edward Farrel Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relationship: Son Father's name: Gerret Farrel Mother's name: Rose Farrel Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration Number: 282/2 Registration district: St Mary Civil parish: Liff and Benvie County: Angus Address: Scouringburn 154 ED: 17 Household schedule number: 129 Line: 20 Roll: cssct1881_83 Household Members: Name Age Gerret Farrel 29 Rose Farrel 29 Mary Ann Farrel 9 Joseph Farrel 7 Catherine Farrel 4 Edward Farrel 2 ---------------------------------- 1881 Scotland Census about Gerret Farrel Name: Gerret Farrel Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Rose Farrel Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 282/2 Registration district: St Mary Civil parish: Liff and Benvie County: Angus Address: Scouringburn 154 Occupation: Reeling Overseer ED: 17 Household schedule number: 129 Line: 15 Roll: cssct1881_83 Household Members: Name Age Gerret Farrel 29 Rose Farrel 29 Mary Ann Farrel 9 Joseph Farrel 7 Catherine Farrel 4 Edward Farrel 2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1871 Scotland Census about Garret Farrel Name: Garret Farrel Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 282/2 Registration district: St Mary Civil parish: Liff and Benvie County: Angus Address: 10 Walton St Occupation: Power Loom Weaver ED: 24 Household schedule number: 65 Line: 6 Roll: CSSCT1871_50 Household Members: Name Age Patrick Keating 22 Mary Keating 24 William Keating 1 James Donachie 26 Ann Donachie 17 Garret Farrel 19 Hellon Farrel 1 MO Ruesia Slack 21 Rosey Fassel 18 Could this Rosey Fassel be his wife & Hellon Farrell his Daughter you will need to look at the original census ------------------------------------------------------------ Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: r_laurence Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5903.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Hope this helps Have a look at this I know the wife is Rose but am 99% sure its the right family & John Devitt & Maria on the marriage he is ships Rivitter on census he is ships caulker same type of job I know it gives jane as wife on marriage but still think this could be the familys 1901 Scotland Census about Gerald Farrell Name: Gerald Farrell Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Rose Farrell Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 68 James St Occupation: Jute Mills Overseer ED: 49 Household schedule number: 176 Line: 10 Roll: CSSCT1901_102 Household Members: Name Age Gerald Farrell 48 Rose Farrell 47 John Farrell 7 Catherine Farrell 23 Rose Farrell 11 Maryann Farrell 28 Margaret Farrell 5 Hellen Farrell 9 -- 1901 Scotland Census about Edward Farrell Name: Edward Farrell Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration Number: 282/2 Registration district: St Mary Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 29 Brown St Occupation: Mechanics Labr ED: 10 Household schedule number: 128 Line: 25 Roll: CSSCT1901_94 Household Members: Name Age Mary Derby 37 Jane Derby 38 John Derby 28 James Derby 17 Mary Anna Witt 21 Edward Farrell 21 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1901 Scotland Census about John Davitt Name: John Davitt Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Maria Davitt Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 646/2 Registration district: Govan Civil parish: Govan County: Lanarkshire Address: 29 Alma St Occupation: Ship Caulker ED: 10 Household schedule number: 96 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1901_327 Household Members: Name Age John Davitt 56 Maria Davitt 45 Michael J Davitt 24 Martin J Davitt 22 Annie Davitt 19 Catherine Davitt 16 Anthony Davitt 13 Maria Davitt 10 Maggie Davitt 8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Annie Davitt Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's name: John Davitt Mother's name: Maria Davitt Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 646/2 Registration district: Govan Civil parish: Govan County: Lanarkshire Address: 29 Alma St Occupation: Match Worker --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scottgalloway_301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5903/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Totally hooked now on tracing my family, but have came a bit stuck on a great great grandparent, a Gerald Farrell and his wife Mary Farrell nee Connolly. All the checks i have done have brought up nothing, i am now 100% certain he and his wife came over from Ireland to Dundee at some point, I'm sure he was living in Dundee in 1901 and before as i have the document of their sons wedding in Dundee and he worked in a jute mill. Could anybody help me with good sites to look at to trace back to immagration from Ireland, must admit, getting a bit confused with it all now, any help would be greatly appreciated..................thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I'm trying to find some details of some distant relatives. I've posted this before, but I thought William went to the USA. His sister Margaret went to Boston, with her Husband. Murray Haver Robertson b.1882. I'm looking for details on my Late Granddad's Brother. I've found that William went to Canada & not the USA. According to Mum's sister. William Gray was born in 1886 at Glen Isla in the County of Angus. Married with 2 Daughters. Died of Dyptheria. Blacksmith to Lumberjacks in the Canada..?. His Parents were Francis William Grant Gray. Born 1853 d. 25 Aug 1946 Ruthven Angus Age 93. Jane Barrie Born 15 Apr 1857 Kirriemuir Angus. Died 22 Mar 1922 Slieview Ruthven Angus. Alistair Bell.

Hmm, interesting. So the theory might be fact.... will pursue this line to its end. Many thanksGen in NBL England > > Was there a whaling industry out of Dundee at that time and > > did they hunt in the Shetland Islands waters? > > Yes, and yes. > > Dundee was a big whaling centre, and to get to and from the whaling seas you had to go past Shetland, so you would probably put in there for fresh water and supplies.

> My 6 x g grandfather, Angus PETRIE died or was buried > between 1736 and 1766 on Yell in the Shetland Islands. > As he was a married man with children living in Panbride > ANGUS, I wondered what on earth he was doing up there..... > There are no longer burial records for that period in Yell, > Shetland so time for a bit of lateral thinking. > Was there a whaling industry out of Dundee at that time and > did they hunt in the Shetland Islands waters? Yes, and yes. Dundee was a big whaling centre, and to get to and from the whaling seas you had to go past Shetland, so you would probably put in there for fresh water and supplies. Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: katecaspellwynd1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/459.299/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am descended from David and Elizabeth, descended from their son William who married Catherine Gordon. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

My 6 x g grandfather, Angus PETRIE died or was buried between 1736 and 1766 on Yell in the Shetland Islands. As he was a married man with children living in Panbride ANGUS, I wondered what on earth he was doing up there..... There are no longer burial records for that period in Yell, Shetland so time for a bit of lateral thinking. Was there a whaling industry out of Dundee at that time and did they hunt in the Shetland Islands waters? Gen in NBL England

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5899.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Quote: "And many illegitimate children used their father's surname through life, even those born after 1855 who were registered with the mother's surname." There is a reason for this. The rules say that an illegitimate child must be registered in its mother's name. However if the father accompanies the mother to the registrar's office when the birth is first registered, and signs the birth certificate, the child can also be registered in its father's name. So there will be many cases where the entire parish knows perfectly well who the father is, and the child is known by his surname, yet it is only registered in its mother's name because he would not or could not accompany her when she went to register the birth. The father's name cannot be added to the birth certificate at a later date. However the birth may be *indexed* under his surname if either (a) the mother goes to court and gets a paternity order, in which case this will be recorded in the Register of Corrected Entries or (b) the parents, having subsequently married, decide to re-register the birth at a later date, which can be many years after the event. The best place to look for information about illegitimate births around 1835 would be the Kirk Session minutes. These are in the National Archives of Scotland www.nas.gov.uk and have been digitised, but are not available online, so you would need someone who is going to Register House in Edinburgh to look this up on your behalf. There are some other archives in Scotland which have access to the NAS' 'Virtual Volumes' of digitised documents, but I do not have a complete list of these. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JuliePM Surnames: CUTHBERT, LOWSON, STIRTON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5899.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just because you cannot find a birth or marriage in Kirriemuir doesn't mean it didn't take place. I was searching for the birth of Ann Cuthbert in Kirriemuir c1795. I found her siblings but when I looked at the relevant parish records some pages were blank some had just a couple of entries indicating that there had been others on the page but were now gone or illegible due to water damage? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Hogmanay Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5899.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry. Hall is my husband's surname and we've only been able to verify it back to about 1775 in Virginia, then to Kentucky. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WallyLowe Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5899.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Irene: I noted the "HALL". My ancestor, William HALL was from DEVON. Wallace Lowe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: IHall6669 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5899.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: No, unfortunately "should" have been in the OPR doesn't mean it actually was. >From extracting civil records of people who died after 1855 I can attest to the fact that many, many of those people had no birth recorded in the pre-1855 OPRs. And many illegitimate children used their father's surname through life, even those born after 1855 who were registered with the mother's surname. I have also found some marriages in my own family lines where the information given at marriage was incorrect. Especially if one of the parties was born illegitimate. In at least one case I am about convinced that the bride made up her father's name. And it's a certainty that her mother never married anyone by that name, although the child's marriage states the parents were married. I have also recently found a marriage where the bride gave her stepfather as her father (and used his surname)and her father's surname is used as her middle name--the name her birth was registered under, as her father did sign the birth registration. Meanwhile, you say you have his mother's death certificate so you should have her parents. Any help we can give you with them? Was she from Kirriemuir? Irene Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PhilipPlant Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5899.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Irene, First sorry for the late reply, life gets in the way of research! Your generous reply has prompted us in to reviewing the data. We have lots of data on "William Wilkie" from his adolescence onwards, including his memoirs and a fulsome memorial inscription. He only adds Donaldson as his middle name later in life. He cites his father as "Peter Wilkie" and his mother as "Elizabeth Donaldson" on his MI. Our working theory is that he was illegitimate, but took his fathers name. His mother never married and died under her maiden name (we have her death record). We also have found the two census records with the "Andersons" just outside of Kirriemuir. We've always wondered if he was "farmed out" to live with the Andersons because his Mother was fully occupied as a Hand Loom Weaver (very tough with the Power Looms coming in). His father Peter could have been older and died before the first census'. But, even an illegitimate birth should be recorded in the OPR's and we can't find him! Cheers, Phil Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Doreen and others. Thanks for the responses I have had to my post and possibly to others that I don't know about. I have recently changed my e-mail account but I think I have "unsubscribed" the wrong way from the old supplier though I am sure that I have "subscribed" with my new address. I have also configured my filters to allow mail from the Angus list but for the last two weeks I have not had any direct mail from Ancestry. I am trying to resolve this, maybe the Administrator can help Anne! Help! Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOREEN CUTHBERT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:14 PM Subject: Robert Walker Bruce, someone else has already sent you details of Robert's from WW2. I thought you might like to see the actual record. Doreen Cuthbert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3840 - Release Date: 08/17/11

Bruce - Even though your Robert Walker would have been too old to serve in WWII, I believe this may be his required draft registration card that he signed in April 27, 1942. The local board was Chicago City No. 27, 6243 S, Ashland Ave. Chicago. Serial No. U2871; Robert Walker; 5960 Lowe Ave., Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois. At the time of registration he was age 47, born in Forfar, Scotland. His birthdate was Aug 22, 1894. He listed Mrs. Lavinia Walker as his next of kin. His employer, as you guessed, was Chicago Surface Lines, 78th & Vincennes. Robert was 5 feet 9 inches, weighed 174 lbs and had a light complexion, black hair and blue eyes. These details should help you in your search. Good luck! Wendy On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Bruce Dorward wrote: > My maternal grandmother was Walker in Forfar who came from a fairly > large family. I have a good idea of some of her siblings' history but > one hits a dead end. > > Robert Walker was born before 1900 and, I believe, was married and had > family before WW1 when he served in the UK forces. I have evidence > that he left Scotland about 1930 and eventually reached Chicago where > he worked on the "surface railway". > > As far as I know he had two sons and a daughter. I believe the > daughter died rather young and I have heard, from family in Forfar, > that one of the sons visited while serving with the American forces > during WW2. > > Can anyone suggest where I might look on-line for more information > about this family in Chicago? > > Cheers, > Bruce D

Bruce, I am struggling with this. Can you provide any additional information? Do you know Robert's wife name? How about his children, their name, etc.? Were they born in Scotland or the US? If a son visited in Forfar, would anyone know more about him? It might be possible to request some assistance from the staff at the Newberry Library in Chicago. They have a very large research room for family history. http://www.newberry.org/genealogy/collections.html You can view what they have and how to contact them. I will still continue to dig. Catherine On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Bruce Dorward wrote: > My maternal grandmother was Walker in Forfar who came from a fairly > large family. I have a good idea of some of her siblings' history but > one hits a dead end. > > Robert Walker was born before 1900 and, I believe, was married and had > family before WW1 when he served in the UK forces. I have evidence > that he left Scotland about 1930 and eventually reached Chicago where > he worked on the "surface railway". > > As far as I know he had two sons and a daughter. I believe the > daughter died rather young and I have heard, from family in Forfar, > that one of the sons visited while serving with the American forces > during WW2. > > Can anyone suggest where I might look on-line for more information > about this family in Chicago? > > Cheers, > Bruce D > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message