Marilyn Have you looked at deceasedonline. They now have most of the Angus records, apart from Dundee Sent from my iPhone On 6 Sep 2011, at 01:12, "Marilyn Arnold" <[email protected]> wrote: > RE: Howff burials at: http://www.fdca.org.uk/. If burial is not stated as > Old Howff or New Howff is the listing the same as the above or is it not > known? I know that the New Howff was paved over for a parking lot. (ack!) > Dare I ask what happened to the graves, the bodies and the stones? In the > 1800s did most people have caskets or not? > > My Innes ancestors seem to have been buried in the Howff. Some in the old, > some in the new and some were not indicated in that box in the excel file. > My POWRIE burials remain unknown at this time, with chance of finding them, > small. > > About 5 years ago there used to be a site online which was GREAT and had not > only burials, but sort of a map from the cemetery which indicated burial > plots and who was buried where -- a wonderful tool to help determine who is > related to whom. I have not been able to find this. Can anyone tell me > where this might have been moved? It also had pictures of some of the > graves. It was a private researcher, a man, I believe, who put this up. > > If this site doesn't exist, does someone know where records are that have > the cemetery plots listing families that would have this info? > > Thanks! > > Marilyn > WDC > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

RE: Howff burials at: http://www.fdca.org.uk/. If burial is not stated as Old Howff or New Howff is the listing the same as the above or is it not known? I know that the New Howff was paved over for a parking lot. (ack!) Dare I ask what happened to the graves, the bodies and the stones? In the 1800s did most people have caskets or not? My Innes ancestors seem to have been buried in the Howff. Some in the old, some in the new and some were not indicated in that box in the excel file. My POWRIE burials remain unknown at this time, with chance of finding them, small. About 5 years ago there used to be a site online which was GREAT and had not only burials, but sort of a map from the cemetery which indicated burial plots and who was buried where -- a wonderful tool to help determine who is related to whom. I have not been able to find this. Can anyone tell me where this might have been moved? It also had pictures of some of the graves. It was a private researcher, a man, I believe, who put this up. If this site doesn't exist, does someone know where records are that have the cemetery plots listing families that would have this info? Thanks! Marilyn WDC

Perhaps this isn't the right list for this question. ... If so, other thoughts are appreciated. I'm piecing together my family history, little by little -- thanks to this list! (And the help of others!) My ancestor, Wm Innes was in Dundee before 1822, living in WestGate where he was a change-keeper (kept an inn or pub). (He was also a nailer/nail maker). His wife, Helen Hay Innes ran a shop in West Gate in 1823. They had two known (to me) children: James Innes (b. 1803, Inveresk) and William James Innes (b. 1806, Sterling). Son James remained in Dundee, worked in Smalls Wynd as a saw maker/saw repairman. Married and had children. They (and Helen Hay Innes, who took back her maiden name) were buried in the Howff. Son William, like his father, was also a nailer/nail maker, and was also involved in "utterance"/forgery. Son Wm was sentenced April 1823 to 14 years transportation, and I've found him through these 14 years in the Tasmanian penal colonies. (Doesn't appear to have returned to Dundee.) And there's a 3rd trial involving a Wm Innes of Dundee for the same crime, which I haven't yet figured out which Wm these records belong to without more details. The father William Innes (b. ~ 1784): Sometime in 1821/1822 William got himself involved in "utterance" or forgery and was tried Jan 1822 to 7 years transportation. (I'm getting the court records sent from the Archives in Edinburgh, but they're $$$$$ nearly $240 US. No small change!) I have found him on the Gaol Reports as being first in Edinburgh, then on two different prisoner ships (converted from military vessels), Woolwich, England (greater London). Through these records I can see he was pardoned in November 1825 -- 3 years after the crime. He was reported to be a man of remarkable character. How very sad. Question -- Would he have returned to Dundee or stayed in London? How difficult was transportation in that time period? If he came back to his wife and son James and young family, I'm assuming this would have been by ship? How long would it have taken? Were prisoners given any money when released? If he had no money upon release what would he have done? As a prisoner, would he have been allowed to send and receive mail? Could family have sent him money for the return? How would he have been received in the community as a former convict and prisoner? Would he have been shunned and unable to find work? I can find son James Innes in various Dundee City Directories that are available on line, but could not find Wm in the 1818 Directory. Sorry for so many questions .... Thanks, in advance, for any help you listers might be able to provide in helping to sort out my Innes family of Dundee. Marilyn Arnold DC

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JuliePM Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5899.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you obtain the death image for William in 1902 it should give his parents names, if known. However on looking for his mother's death it says she was single so that confirms that they never married. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have a marriage between Elizabeth Souter of Brechin and John Kidd/Kydd, shoemaker in the parish of Kirriemuir. They married in Brechin 15.12.1827. John was born 17th March 1799 in Careston and his parents were Andrew Kidd and Alison Spence.Let me know if you are interested in this family. Elwyn Soutter

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: agwatt15 Surnames: West, Lindsay, Muckart Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1689.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Grant Your David Lindsay West is a Third cousin of James West.... He married Mary Ann Muckart b abt1855 (aged 28 yrs at her marriage on 13th Nov 1883) Daur. of James Muckart, Road Labourer (Burgh) and Mary Mitchell. (from Marr Register) David was aged 31 yrs. They have common 3xG Grandparents, James West b1706, Doun, (Macduff) Banffshire and Mary Watson b1706, Rothiemay, Banffshire His parents are David West b1825, Ferryden and Susan Lindsay b1827, Brechin. David and Susan married in Ferryden, 14 Apr 1850 I am aware of five siblings:- Alexander West 1855-1923 Willian Coull West 1858 Mary Jane Lindsay West 1860 James Lindsay West 1862 Robert Lindsay West 1869 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bellmerry Surnames: Adams, Knight, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5906/mb.ashx Message Board Post: children = 1. Margaret Keay Adams 1852 - 1884 m William Gow son Will.Gow 2.Francis Adams 1853 - 1888 3.Mary Glenday Adams 1855 - 1859 4.Isabella Adams 1851 m James Adams 5.Adam Adams marine engineer Leith Scotland m Eliz. Knight 1859 - 1944 sons Adam Knight Adams, James Barr Adams 6.George Anderson Adams1862 - 1923 d Australia 7. Charles Adams b & d 1865-71 LOOKING FOR FAMILY of William Gow & (Adam,JamesBarr,AdamKnightAdams). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: momtaz65 Surnames: Keelan, Miller Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5905/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I'm looking for some help finding some ancestors of Owen Keelan (born 1902)and Lily Miller who were married in Dundee in 1929. I came across them while researching my family tree - in particular Owens father, who was also called Owen Keelan - and i'm struggling to find anything more about them. does anyone have these people in their family trees?? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chirpytheduck Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5667.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Try asking on www.theshoppie.com This is a local site for Arbroath and the surrounding area Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chirpytheduck Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1286.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you tried asking on a site local to Arbroath and St Vigeans. It is www.theshoppie.com They have a genealogy section in the forums and a very helpful membership. It is free to join...all you need to do is register. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DianeMorrison57 Surnames: BELL, CAIRNIE, GORDON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5904/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for any descendants of John Bell and his wife Jean (Cairnie). They lived in Lochee 1841 onwards. John was a jute mill overseer with Baxter Bros. One of his sons was Alexander who was a tea merchant, married to Ann Gordon. They had about 10 children.I know some of the family emigrated to Canada. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Diane Morrison Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pptaylor Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/2351.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Evelyn. Pleased to meet you. May we exchange info? Please contact me at [email protected] I have a large descendant file but nothingon Jane Cheers Pam [Australia] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ianporteous2 Surnames: Robertson/Stewart/Purves Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/2351.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Pam , I have just noticed your message (new member) . I am a descendant of Robert Robertson and Clementina Stewart , through their daughter Jane b 1789.She married William Purves b 1788 .She was my 4x great Grandmother I live in Scotland. Cheers Evelyn Porteous Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Alistair, Do you know how many William Grays went to Canada? A lot. And he could have started out as a lumberjack and did something else later. Plus there was a lot of movement back and forth between Canada and the US. Any chance you have his exact birthdate? I did find one who became an American citizen in Massachusetts, and he had a birthdate of 3 June 1886 in Forfar--and that could have perhaps referred to the county? Irene, in Michigan In a message dated 8/23/2011 10:50:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I'm trying to find some details of some distant relatives. I've posted this before, but I thought William went to the USA. His sister Margaret went to Boston, with her Husband. Murray Haver Robertson b.1882. I'm looking for details on my Late Granddad's Brother. I've found that William went to Canada & not the USA. According to Mum's sister. William Gray was born in 1886 at Glen Isla in the County of Angus. Married with 2 Daughters. Died of Dyptheria. Blacksmith to Lumberjacks in the Canada..?. His Parents were Francis William Grant Gray. Born 1853 d. 25 Aug 1946 Ruthven Angus Age 93. Jane Barrie Born 15 Apr 1857 Kirriemuir Angus. Died 22 Mar 1922 Slieview Ruthven Angus. Alistair Bell. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am very intersted in the HILL/KIDD lines in Brechin. If Ian Hill is reading this, can you please send me your email address as I would love to get in touch, but my system on Tesco.net will not let me reply to yours with only a name on it. Doreen Baxter (nee KIDD)

Not only did they call in at the Shetlands for supplies, they often also collected part of their crew there, before heading for Greenland and the Davis Straits. Gordon Johnson in Caithness.

Hi all, I was talking with my sister-in-law at the weekend and ended up doing quite a bit of family history things for her. Found fascinating things that took us to Montrose, Brechin, Perth and elsewhere as well as Dundee which is her home-town. Does anybody have a connection to the GOUICK (also Gouk, Gauk, Gouck and so on) name? This family was in Montrose first, linen weavers, then William Gouck moved to Dundee becoming a jute weaver at some point between 1869 and 1871. GARDNER comes into this family in two ways: John Gouick married into a Gardner family - with connections in Perth and even Glasgow - in the early 1900s, but long before that there were Gairdners marrying KEITHS in Montrose, and the Keiths marrying into SPARK then Gouick lines. I've found a few gems, such as David Keith, shipmaster in Montrose, and his wife Marjory Gairdner, who in 1749 named a son 'Charles Edward'. The grand-sounding name of Clementina Spark in the next generation (daughter of David's daughter Marjory Keith) had initially been a puzzle until I found that Jacobite naming connection. Montrose held many staunch Jacobites. So - if you have any connections with these names do get in touch as having just done a couple of days work on this, I've got quite a lot of info to share. I'll be writing a 'formal' report for my sister-in-law, but much that I've found is likely to be useful to other people too. Jenny

Alistair, If William went to Canada before the 1911 census you will be able to look for him. www.automatedgenealogy.com has indexed data on several Canadian censuses and I see there are 28 returns for William Gray born about 1886 in the 1911. If you don't know the site, it is fairly easy and intuitive to use but needs a bit of practice to use the filter effectively. Having got a resonably small number of "possibles" it is then possible to see the original record which contains a lot more information, for example occupation, country of birth and date of arrival in Canada. Also, if your William has a middle name that would help narrow the search. Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 3:48 PM Subject: [ANGUS] Missing Gray > > I'm trying to find some details of some distant relatives. > > I've posted this before, but I thought William went to the USA. > > His sister Margaret went to Boston, with her Husband. > Murray Haver Robertson b.1882. > > I'm looking for details on my Late Granddad's Brother. > > I've found that William went to Canada & not the USA. > According to Mum's sister. > > William Gray was born in 1886 at Glen Isla in the County of Angus. > > > Married with 2 Daughters. > Died of Dyptheria. > Blacksmith to Lumberjacks in the Canada..?. > > His Parents were Francis William Grant Gray. > Born 1853 d. 25 Aug 1946 Ruthven Angus Age 93. > Jane Barrie Born 15 Apr 1857 Kirriemuir Angus. > Died 22 Mar 1922 Slieview Ruthven Angus. > > Alistair Bell. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scottgalloway_301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5903.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: re_ the John Davitt part...... 1901 Scotland Census about Edward Farrell Name: Edward Farrell Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration Number: 282/2 Registration district: St Mary Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 29 Brown St Occupation: Mechanics Labr ED: 10 Household schedule number: 128 Line: 25 Roll: CSSCT1901_94 Household Members: Name Age Mary Derby 37 Jane Derby 38 John Derby 28 James Derby 17 Mary Anna Witt 21 Edward Farrell 21 Jane Derby is the wife of John Davitt, she has reverted back to her maiden name for some reason, Mary Derby is the Mother i think, obviously a mistake with her age.... the main one though is Mary Anna Witt, i think that is Mary Ann Davitt, just bad spelling, Edward Farrell being the future husband, married 1903............... i dont think the Maria Davitt from Govan is the right person, Might be the right John Davitt though, ship rivetters moved where the work was, looking at the cencus, its like him and Jane have split up, maybe thats his new life............... if that all makes sense... lol Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scottgalloway_301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5903.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: and if this is right, they have knocked an "O" from the name Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.