This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5911.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Pat & all With respect I would say any transcript needs checking wherever you find it, I have found plenty of errors in scotlandspeoples transcripts as well Whilst I agree that Ancestrys transcripts of Scotlands census leave a bit to be desired, they are a whole lot better than having none at all, of course if the NAS allowed Ancestry access to the images we could check ourselves but they make to much money out of it for them to do that Another site worth checking is freecen http://www.freecen.org.uk/ Very much a work in progress but worth a look On the subject of the census, a very useful site on the census in Scotland is http://www.talkingscot.com/censuses/census-intro.htm NJO Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: patcarsonp Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5911.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: And to add a comment: Ancestry transcriptions are of 'variable quality' and should be treated with some caution. For confirmation of what someone else has seen, look at the image on http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ Pat Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5911.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just to further qualify the situation re the census Ancestry have a transcription of the 1841 to 1901 for Scotland but so far the only place that has the 1841 to 1911 census for Scotland indexed with images is http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ NJO Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5911.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Not sure what do you mean by this site? What site? Scotland and England/Wales are separate for the census in all years The 1911 for Scotland is only available on http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ NJO Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scottgalloway_301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5911/mb.ashx Message Board Post: does anybody know why this site does not have it, it has the English and Welsh one, contacted the site but couldnt understand their answer, anybody know the reason why the Scottish census aint on Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Morrison Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1690.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Other children that I'm aware of were: Robert David b. abt. Sep 1834 in Dunnichen Alexander b. abt Jul 1838 in Dunnichen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Myallmar Surnames: Lindsay,Simpson, Young, Mealmaker, Irvine, Wood Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5910/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm looking for information on the Lindsay family in particular the line from James Lindsay & Marjory Simpson who married in 1857, no birth records so far. Other names in this line is that of Lindsay spouses: Jean Young married in 1829, Mary Mealmaker married in 1855, Helen Irvine married 1882, Agnes Wood married in Fife, Scotland 1913 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Elwyn: I see that I didn't properly thank you for this response -- this is helpful. So he would have come by sea. That makes sense. As to money, I just don't have any idea, but I can't find anything about him after 1825, so .... I'm just left to wonder without other clues. To the List: Any sense of how expensive a trip would be to Dundee relative to a year's salary for a tradesman, like a sawmaker (his son was a sawmaker, but had a growing family by this point). (The only other known son was serving a 14 year term in a Australian penal colony.) William's wife "kept a shop." Since he was a "man of exceptional character" according to the warden, one might think that he would have returned to his wife, perhaps? And, any thoughts about other possible extant records in Dundee, that I should check that I haven't already?. (I've found the family in 1841, 1851; Death of wife, son, son's family; burial of rest of family in Howff; available C. Directories online. There was no will for William or wife.). Thanks again. This list is very helpful! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Dundee -- Citizen arrested, tried, prisoner ... England; would he have returned??? > If William returned to Dundee, he would probably have travelled by sea. > Here’s a link to one of the companies that operated that route: www.benjidog.co.uk/allen/index_files/Page3195.htm > > It was comparatively cheap, and usually took several days. The > overland journey was much more expensive. Even after the railways were > built, the ferry journey remained popular as it was much cheaper. > > I > very much doubt he was given any money when he was released. He would > have had to fend for himself. If his family sent money for him, I > suspect they would have done so via a trusted intermediary, rather than > direct to the prison, in case it got "lost". > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: billbinns19 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5909/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, RONALD MCLAREN MILLAR He was born 1912 St Andrew/Dundee/Angus. I believe he was a Clerk to a firm of Jute Brokers in or around Dundee. He married JANE STEWART MILNE in 1939 at St Clement Dundee. Jane remarried in 1947 to a David James who I believe was a Bookmaker in Brough Ferry. I don't know if Ronald died or was divorced from Jane or if there were any children of their marriage. Anything more on Ronald would be a big help. Regards, Bill Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Marilyn Arnold wrote: >... > >I see the 1821 Ordinance Survey. > Not "Ordinance" - "Ordnance" (without the "i"). This is an old word meaning "artillery" or "gunnery", and commemorates the fact that the UK's first accurate, large-scale, national mapping scheme was started by artillery officers during the Napoleonic Wars, as a defence measure. And not 1821, not, at least, for Dundee. The Ordnance Survey started work around 1806, but the first large-scale Ordnance Survey maps of Dundee and Angus were not published until the 1860s. The map that Pat suggested you view on the NLS site was from John Thomson's "Atlas of Scotland" (published 1832). This is of variable accuracy, but does bridge the gap between the Ainslie map of 1789 and the appearance of the OS maps in the 1860s. Gavin Bell

On the other hand, whilst I would probably agree with Bruce that it is more likely to be West Port that Westgate, if you are truly looking for where today's Westgate was in about 1822, then you should look at this map http://maps.nls.uk/atlas/thomson/view/?rsid=74400151&sid=74400150&mid=516&pd esc=Bottom section And zoom in until you can see the small detail, positioning the map so that you can see the word 'T A Y' in the lower part of your screen. Directly above the 'A' of TAY, you are looking for an area labelled Menzies Hill. This is to the west of Dundee and north of Invergowrie. Very roughly, that is where Westgate is today. P "Here's tae us! Wha's like us? Damn few! - an' they're a' deid!" Old Scots Toast Check out my website www.genesontheweb.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Dorward Sent: 15 September 2011 22:26 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Where was West Gate, 1820s? Hi Marilyn, I was a bit confused by your references to "Westgate", Dundee especially as I had, before retirement, driven a delivery van in Dundee and had never heard of "Westgate". A modern map shows a Westgate medical practise away out about Lochee/Ninewells Hospital which, in the 1820s, was out in the country. Reference to "Lost Dundee" (McKean, Whatley, Baxter, Birlinn Ltd, 2008, ISBN 978 1 84158 562 8 / 978 1 84158 815 5), an architectural history of Dundee, makes several references to the "West Port" (which was at the West end of the old Overgate ... now long demolished, rebuilt, demolished and rebuilt again! This was the route out of town towards Coupar Angus rather than the more apparent "west" road along the Tay estuary to Perth. There were some desirable houses in that area about 1825. Have a look at a Google map using the postcode DD8 5EP as a reference point. Using "street level" you can see the Globe bar and maybe even the West Port Gallery. This is the area I understand as the "West Port" which is shown as such on Ordnance Survey and other maps of Dundee as far back as the 1820s. You can see such maps on www.nls.uk , follow the links to digital maps. Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Find Your Family!" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:32 AM Subject: [ANGUS] Where was West Gate, 1820s? >I see several businesses today that are in Westgate, Dundee that are near >Ninewells Hospital. If someone were "of Westgate" or had a shop "in >Westgate" in 1822, 1823, what area would this have been (ie what were the >streets/cross streets)? Where might I find out more about the history of >this section of the city? > > My Innes ancestors -- William and Helen Hay were in this area in 1822. > William and son William were nailers/nail makers. Father William was also > a change keeper (kept an inn or public house). Mother Helen Hay had a > shop there (1823). (Ref: Court papers regarding trials of William Innes > and son William Innes, 1822 and 1823, Forfar). > > Thank you. > > Marilyn Arnold > WDC > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3898 - Release Date: 09/15/11 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3898 - Release Date: 09/15/11

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: donnaanderson64 Surnames: McWalter Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/2366.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My grandmother did have a nephew called conrad who was killed very young.My dad David Ormond Anderson was named after his uncle.Don't remember much about the uncle tho. Your mother jessie I think I have met! she visited my parents a few times,also a couple of years before dad died we all met up for a coffee. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Marilyn, I was a bit confused by your references to "Westgate", Dundee especially as I had, before retirement, driven a delivery van in Dundee and had never heard of "Westgate". A modern map shows a Westgate medical practise away out about Lochee/Ninewells Hospital which, in the 1820s, was out in the country. Reference to "Lost Dundee" (McKean, Whatley, Baxter, Birlinn Ltd, 2008, ISBN 978 1 84158 562 8 / 978 1 84158 815 5), an architectural history of Dundee, makes several references to the "West Port" (which was at the West end of the old Overgate ... now long demolished, rebuilt, demolished and rebuilt again! This was the route out of town towards Coupar Angus rather than the more apparent "west" road along the Tay estuary to Perth. There were some desirable houses in that area about 1825. Have a look at a Google map using the postcode DD8 5EP as a reference point. Using "street level" you can see the Globe bar and maybe even the West Port Gallery. This is the area I understand as the "West Port" which is shown as such on Ordnance Survey and other maps of Dundee as far back as the 1820s. You can see such maps on www.nls.uk , follow the links to digital maps. Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Find Your Family!" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:32 AM Subject: [ANGUS] Where was West Gate, 1820s? >I see several businesses today that are in Westgate, Dundee that are near >Ninewells Hospital. If someone were "of Westgate" or had a shop "in >Westgate" in 1822, 1823, what area would this have been (ie what were the >streets/cross streets)? Where might I find out more about the history of >this section of the city? > > My Innes ancestors -- William and Helen Hay were in this area in 1822. > William and son William were nailers/nail makers. Father William was also > a change keeper (kept an inn or public house). Mother Helen Hay had a > shop there (1823). (Ref: Court papers regarding trials of William Innes > and son William Innes, 1822 and 1823, Forfar). > > Thank you. > > Marilyn Arnold > WDC > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3898 - Release Date: 09/15/11 >

I'll check this out as well, but once Bruce said West Port, I recognized my error, as that was the name I'd seen in other documents. Thanks for the suggestion! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Carson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Where was West Gate, 1820s? > On the other hand, whilst I would probably agree with Bruce that it is > more > likely to be West Port that Westgate, if you are truly looking for where > today's Westgate was in about 1822, then you should look at this map > > http://maps.nls.uk/atlas/thomson/view/?rsid=74400151&sid=74400150&mid=516&pd > esc=Bottom section > > And zoom in until you can see the small detail, positioning the map so > that > you can see the word 'T A Y' in the lower part of your screen. Directly > above the 'A' of TAY, you are looking for an area labelled Menzies Hill. > This is to the west of Dundee and north of Invergowrie. Very roughly, that > is where Westgate is today. > > P > > "Here's tae us! Wha's like us? Damn few! - an' they're a' deid!" Old Scots > Toast > > > Check out my website www.genesontheweb.co.uk > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Bruce Dorward > Sent: 15 September 2011 22:26 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Where was West Gate, 1820s? > > Hi Marilyn, > > I was a bit confused by your references to "Westgate", Dundee especially > as > I had, before retirement, driven a delivery van in Dundee and had never > heard of "Westgate". > > A modern map shows a Westgate medical practise away out about > Lochee/Ninewells Hospital which, in the 1820s, was out in the country. > > Reference to "Lost Dundee" (McKean, Whatley, Baxter, Birlinn Ltd, 2008, > ISBN 978 1 84158 562 8 / 978 1 84158 815 5), an architectural history of > Dundee, makes several references to the "West Port" (which was at the West > end of the old Overgate ... now long demolished, rebuilt, demolished and > rebuilt again! This was the route out of town towards Coupar Angus rather > than the more apparent "west" road along the Tay estuary to Perth. There > were some desirable houses in that area about 1825. > > Have a look at a Google map using the postcode DD8 5EP as a reference > point. > > Using "street level" you can see the Globe bar and maybe even the West > Port > Gallery. This is the area I understand as the "West Port" which is shown > as > such on Ordnance Survey and other maps of Dundee as far back as the 1820s. > You can see such maps on www.nls.uk , follow the links to digital maps. > > Cheers, > Bruce D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Find Your Family!" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:32 AM > Subject: [ANGUS] Where was West Gate, 1820s? > > >>I see several businesses today that are in Westgate, Dundee that are near >>Ninewells Hospital. If someone were "of Westgate" or had a shop "in >>Westgate" in 1822, 1823, what area would this have been (ie what were the >>streets/cross streets)? Where might I find out more about the history of >>this section of the city? >> >> My Innes ancestors -- William and Helen Hay were in this area in 1822. >> William and son William were nailers/nail makers. Father William was >> also > >> a change keeper (kept an inn or public house). Mother Helen Hay had a >> shop there (1823). (Ref: Court papers regarding trials of William Innes >> and son William Innes, 1822 and 1823, Forfar). >> >> Thank you. >> >> Marilyn Arnold >> WDC >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3898 - Release Date: 09/15/11 >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3898 - Release Date: 09/15/11 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Of course you were all confused. I meant West Port. so sorry! I should not post when I'm tired (like 1:30 am, as I did, oops). But, as always, you figured out what I meant ... so thank you for the references and I'll be sure to check out the link. Fascinating. Nice to know there were several desirable homes in that area in 1825 (from Lost Dundee? or another source). Don't know the status of my Innes family. It they had money, they may not have acquired it by legal means and likely lost it, given that father and son were both accused and tried for passing forged notes. Ahem. (Details are in the Court papers to be requested from the Archives which are $$$!) I see the 1821 Ordinance Survey. They must have been in Dundee by then as these illegal activities began in 1821 and the father was given a lighter sentence because of his references in the community, so this would suggest he'd been there a while. West Port seems to be at the intersection of Overgate with "Burn Witch Know" extending to the NW and Hawk? Hill to the SW, Brown Street heading almost directly N. Very interesting! Love old maps! I'll try to see if Lost Dundee is in the LibCongress. Thanks for the suggestion. Thank you very much, Bruce! Marilyn WDC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Dorward" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Where was West Gate, 1820s? > Hi Marilyn, > > I was a bit confused by your references to "Westgate", Dundee especially > as > I had, before retirement, driven a delivery van in Dundee and had never > heard of "Westgate". > > A modern map shows a Westgate medical practise away out about > Lochee/Ninewells Hospital which, in the 1820s, was out in the country. > > Reference to "Lost Dundee" (McKean, Whatley, Baxter, Birlinn Ltd, 2008, > ISBN 978 1 84158 562 8 / 978 1 84158 815 5), an architectural history of > Dundee, makes several references to the "West Port" (which was at the West > end of the old Overgate ... now long demolished, rebuilt, demolished and > rebuilt again! This was the route out of town towards Coupar Angus rather > than the more apparent "west" road along the Tay estuary to Perth. There > were some desirable houses in that area about 1825. > > Have a look at a Google map using the postcode DD8 5EP as a reference > point. > Using "street level" you can see the Globe bar and maybe even the West > Port > Gallery. This is the area I understand as the "West Port" which is shown > as > such on Ordnance Survey and other maps of Dundee as far back as the 1820s. > You can see such maps on www.nls.uk , follow the links to digital maps. > > Cheers, > Bruce D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Find Your Family!" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 1:32 AM > Subject: [ANGUS] Where was West Gate, 1820s? > > >>I see several businesses today that are in Westgate, Dundee that are near >>Ninewells Hospital. If someone were "of Westgate" or had a shop "in >>Westgate" in 1822, 1823, what area would this have been (ie what were the >>streets/cross streets)? Where might I find out more about the history of >>this section of the city? >> >> My Innes ancestors -- William and Helen Hay were in this area in 1822. >> William and son William were nailers/nail makers. Father William was >> also >> a change keeper (kept an inn or public house). Mother Helen Hay had a >> shop there (1823). (Ref: Court papers regarding trials of William Innes >> and son William Innes, 1822 and 1823, Forfar). >> >> Thank you. >> >> Marilyn Arnold >> WDC >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3898 - Release Date: 09/15/11 >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DRRitchie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5908.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you very much, Doreen. Don in Massachusetts USA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DoreenCuthbert Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5908.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Found the whole family of Ancestry - lots of children, and his wife. Name: John Campbell Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary W Campbell Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration Number: 272/1 Registration district: Arbroath Civil parish: St Vigeans Town: Arbroath County: Angus Address: 26 Leonard St Occupation: Canvas Lapper ED: 18 Household schedule number: 141 Line: 4 Roll: CSSCT1901_86 Household Members: Name Age John Campbell 48 Mary W Campbell 47 Charlotte D Campbell 20 David S Campbell 18 William S Campbell 16 Elizabeth E Campbell 13 Alfred S Campbell 9 Mary J Campbell 8 Williamena Campbell 10 MO If you need anything else, please let me know Doreen Cuthbert Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: elwynsoutter1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5908.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I searched on the index to the 1901 census on the basis of John Campbell and William, in Arbroath, and there is 1 match. I tried wife Mary but no match so perhaps she's dead/absent on census night (assuming it's the right family). It's pay to view: www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/welcome.aspx Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: elwynsoutter1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5908.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I searched on the index to the 1901 census on the basis of John Campbell and William, in Arbroath, and there is 1 match. I tried wife Mary but no match so perhaps she's dead/absent on census night (assuming it's the right family). It's pay to view: www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/welcome.aspx Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DRRitchie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5908/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Could someone look for the family of John Campbell b abt 1850. Living in Arbroath. Wifes name Mary Walker Shepherd. One child named William S. b abt 1886. Thanks for any help. Don Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.