This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: klkann Surnames: Currie, Donald, Stuart, Petrie Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5914/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a number of photos from the Donald family and their friends and family. Some of them we have figured out...others not. I would love to post them as I scan them and see if anyone can locate a loved one. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: r_laurence Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5913.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: on Ancestry there is a tree with John Low Porter Birth date of 9 Jul 1851 Glenisla Angus & died 19 Feb 1903 Cradock Eastern Cape South Africa they have his wife Jane Fraser born 1856 Boleskine inverness Died 8 Jul 1933 Johannesburg South Africa & 9 Children Also a second tree for John Low porter Batisam date of 8 Jul 1851 Glensila Angus & Died 19 Feb 1902 Cradock South Africa Marriad Jane Fraser 6 Oct 1881 Port Elizabeth south Africa 9 Children Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: r_laurence Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5913.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: have you found this 1. GEORGE PORTER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 08 NOV 1862 Forfar, Angus, Scotland 2. ALEXANDER LOW PORTER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 08 JAN 1860 Forfar, Angus, Scotland 3. MC_LINTOCH PORTER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 01 OCT 1855 Forfar, Angus, Scotland 4. ANN MILNE PORTER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 08 NOV 1857 Forfar, Angus, Scotland Parents Charles Porter & Jean Milne Forfar Angus Scotland on I.G.I Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The following request was apparently posted to the wrong source. No response, so try again, with apologies if necessary I will try to explain my brickwall problem in broad strokes, and be prepared to elaborate if there appears to be a solution available. My maternal line is Spalding. I have traced a branch from a marriage of John Alexander Spalding b 1828 in Monikie, to Mary Caird b 1835 in Dundee. The marriage took place in 1857. At this point I should add that I have failed to find a connection of Mary Caird with James Key Caird, the Dundee benefactor born Dundee 1837. The significance of this will emerge as I trace the following Spalding line which has ended up as a brickwall. The family line exists and in part resident today in the Broughty Ferry/Monifieth area. I have learned, from a source in Canada that James Caird Spalding b 1920 d 2003 has a family of two sons, and two daughters. At least one of his sons with a son resident in Dundee. I have made contact with him and received an enthusiastic response, requesting more details of my requirements. For reasons which can be imagined, there was a sudden silence. Letters to one son of James Caird Spalding went unanswered. I have no information on the whereabouts of the two daughters. Ten Spalding families in the Broughty/Monifieth area have been contacted with no success, although replies offering assistance were received. My distant relative in Canada has tried, by telephone to persuade the widow of James Caird Spalding to co-operate in my search, but information has been refused. I am seeking a way to break this brickwall without antagonising the existing Spalding members who appear to be anti-genealogy. The Caird connection (if any) has been intriguing, in that in successive Spalding generations, the name Caird has emerged as middle name five times. Even if there is no connection, the family appear to think there is. I don't think this story is as clear as I would have hoped, but any suggestions on how to find a way round this barrier of silence would be appreciated. Alistair Macdonald

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JanetteT48 Surnames: LAMONT/PORTER/MILNE/FRASER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5913.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am particularly looking for the birth of my g-grandfather John Low Porter, son of Charles William Porter and Jean Jane Milne of Forfar, and older brother of Mary Ann Porter who married Peter Lamont. John Low Porter was born in 1850, prior to compulsory civil registration. If a family chose not to have a child baptised/registered prior to then it was more often than not written in a Family Bible. Searches on Scotlands People, Ancestry.co.uk, Family Search have have been fruitless after some years searching. Only record was the 1851 Census where John Low Porter was 8 months old, I ascertain being born about July 1850. Parents were married at St James Church, Forfar (now closed) and records for baptisms don't seem to exist. Are you related? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gbell152 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5913.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: "We have been unable to locate the family Bible where births deaths and marriages were recorded." - >From 1855 all births, marriages and deaths in Scotland were recorded in the Civil Registers, which give much more detail than you would find in the average family Bible. You can search these at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: december1216 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5912.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Thanks for responding!! I'm Debbie, Kay's oldest daughter. My mom passed around 10 years ago. If anyone has information It would be my Aunt Jeanne. Or my mom'a cousin David Cowie. I am trying to star a family tree and didn't realize Wilson was a very common name..that is until I started looking.. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RAY_BALFOUR Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/438.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Let me distinguish between three different Scottish ministers, each named Rev. Andrew Melville. FIRST, Rev. Andrew Melville (1545-1622), the "Reformer", who was the son of Richard Melville and Giles Abercrombie. For information about him, see http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rsbalfour&id=I676 SECOND, Rev. Andrew Melville (b. 1704). He married Helen Whyte. Her ancestry leads back through Rev. Thomas Melville, husband of Jean Gourlay and son of John Melville, 6th Lord of Raith. See http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rsbalfour&id=I694 . See next http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op= AHN&db=rsbalfour&id=I867 THIRD, Rev. Andrew Balfour (1610-1641). See http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rsbalfour&id=I8924. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: metrowestcowgirl Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5912.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I was just reading my mom's story on Agnes in the family genealogy book. Are you by any chance Kay or Jean? Alex your grandfather would have been my mom's Mary Hayes Nicoll Wilson Roake's cousin. I have a photo of her Aunts Agnes and Edith with my grandfather John. I also have a copy of a very old photo of the Balmoral Inn and pub which was located at East High Street, Forfar. My mom is now in a nursing home with Alzheimers so I can't ask her questions but I have the written info. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JanetteT48 Surnames: LAMONT/PORTER/MILNE/FRASER Classification: bible Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5913/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Peter Lamont who m. Mary Ann Porter were 32 in 1881 Census. They were living in Lour Road, Forfar, Scotland. Children were Margaret (8) Emma (4) and James (2). Jane Fraser b. 1856 Drymen, Stirlingshire was a visitor. Jane Fraser later married John Low Porter, brother of Mary Ann Porter in Port Elizabeth, South Africa in late 1881,6 months after the 1881 Census. We have been unable to locate the family Bible where births deaths and marriages were recorded. As the Lamont family lived on in Forfar it is possible one of their descendents has the Bible. John Low Porter was son of Charles William Porter and Jane Jean Milne. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Bruce Dorward wrote: >Forty years on this might have been by steamship therefor faster (slightly) >and less dependant on wind strength and direction. Also maybe a higher >passenger density and, if the voyage time was a few days shorter (and more >reliably done in that time) there would be less catering cost for the >passenger's food. So a lower fare would be possible. > > It's far from clear that a "steerage" passage would include food! The 1866 scale of charges for "cabin" passengers includes something called "Steward's Fee", which does not appear with the "deck" passage, so I suspect that a passage on deck was a bit like a flight with a budget airline today, ie no extras included. >Also, by 1860 the shipping companies would be experiencing some competition >from the railways, at least at the top end of the fare structure, so might >be offering lower fares just to stay in business. > > On the other hand, the sailing ship cost less to run. Even in 1866 the ships on the London passage still had inefficient single-expansion engines, so were profitable only with high-value cargoes, such as people. I seem to recall that the original query referred to the mid 1820s. At that date, passengers still had the choice between sail and steam. I haven't yet found a list of prices for that sort of date, but I would expect the sail option actually to be cheaper than the 1866 steam passage. Gavin Bell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: metrowestcowgirl Surnames: Wilson, Walker, Christie, Grant, Nicoll, Gibson, Fraser, Donald Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5912.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, We would be related, my grandfather's family owned the Balmoral Inn in Forfar. Grandpa came to America near the turn of the 19th Centrury. His parents were Alexander Wilson 1850 married Mary Christie 1852. They had children Euphemia, James, Mary Jane, Annhie, Jessie, Alexander, John (my grandpa), Agnes, Alexina, Margaret, Andrew and Edith. I have lots of other info too, and through this site have met many cousins. Great history. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Forty years on this might have been by steamship therefor faster (slightly) and less dependant on wind strength and direction. Also maybe a higher passenger density and, if the voyage time was a few days shorter (and more reliably done in that time) there would be less catering cost for the passenger's food. So a lower fare would be possible. Also, by 1860 the shipping companies would be experiencing some competition from the railways, at least at the top end of the fare structure, so might be offering lower fares just to stay in business. Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Dundee -- Citizen arrested, tried, prisoner ... England; would he have returned??? > [email protected] wrote: > >>According to Scotland & the Sea by T. Christopher Smout, in 1819, the >>Dundee & Perth Union’s cheapest fare from Dundee to London was 1 guinea >>(traveling on deck). According to a comparison with the Retail price >>index, that equates to £83 today. >> >>www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/result.php >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> > > I guinea (£1 and 1shilling) sounds expensive. In the Banffshire Journal > of 3 July 1866, the deck fare fare from Aberdeen to London is only 10 > shillings, or half the figure quoted from Smout. > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3910 - Release Date: 09/21/11 >

A long time ago I was involved in some research which turned up the following information: A hand-loom weaver of about 1800 would probably work on a commission from a "manufacturer". He would weave a "length" of about 120 yards/meters which would take about 10 working days for which he would be paid around one Pound. Given that he would have to spend some of this time setting up his loom, taking his web to the Stamp House (for local Quality Control, yes, they had that then) and, of course, not working on the Sabbath, that meant £1 for two weeks work. A weaver was considered to be fairly well off among tradesmen. So the guinea fare between Dundee and London represented at least two weeks earnings for a top earning artisan. For those who have never heard of it, a guinea was 21 shillings, £1/1/- in old money or £1.05 in present day Sterling. As a unit of currency it is now obsolete though it remains the nominal unit for the annual prize bull sales formerly at Perth, now at Stirling. Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Arnold" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Dundee -- Citizen arrested, tried, prisoner ... England; would he have returned??? > Thank you, Elwyn! Very helpful! Now I just need to figure out what 1 > guinea was relative to a month's income for a working man. I do know that > there is an actual guinea note among the list of items in the Court Papers > for the tried William Innes. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Dundee -- Citizen arrested, tried, prisoner ... > England; would he have returned??? > > >> According to Scotland & the Sea by T. Christopher Smout, in 1819, the >> Dundee & Perth Union’s cheapest fare from Dundee to London was 1 guinea >> (traveling on deck). According to a comparison with the Retail price >> index, that equates to £83 today. >> >> www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/result.php >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3910 - Release Date: 09/21/11 >

[email protected] wrote: >According to Scotland & the Sea by T. Christopher Smout, in 1819, the >Dundee & Perth Union’s cheapest fare from Dundee to London was 1 guinea >(traveling on deck). According to a comparison with the Retail price >index, that equates to £83 today. > >www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/result.php > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > I guinea (£1 and 1shilling) sounds expensive. In the Banffshire Journal of 3 July 1866, the deck fare fare from Aberdeen to London is only 10 shillings, or half the figure quoted from Smout. Gavin Bell

According to Scotland & the Sea by T. Christopher Smout, in 1819, the Dundee & Perth Union’s cheapest fare from Dundee to London was 1 guinea (traveling on deck). According to a comparison with the Retail price index, that equates to £83 today. www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/result.php

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5912.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: With a name as common as Wilson, you will need to tell us a bit more. Which Balmoral Inn was it? When and where was your grandfather born? Have you got a copy of his birth certificate? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5911.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Maybe because the Keeper of the Records of Scotland has decided that instead of letting a foreign commercial company rake in the profits from it, they are going to keep it in house, just as they have done with all the other censuses, and plough the earnings back into making more original records available? What was the answerr you got and could not understand? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: december1216 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5912/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello I am looking for information on my grandfathers family. His name was Alexander and his mothers name was Agnes. Her father was also an Alexander that owned the Balmoral Inn? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thank you, Elwyn! Very helpful! Now I just need to figure out what 1 guinea was relative to a month's income for a working man. I do know that there is an actual guinea note among the list of items in the Court Papers for the tried William Innes. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Dundee -- Citizen arrested, tried, prisoner ... England; would he have returned??? > According to Scotland & the Sea by T. Christopher Smout, in 1819, the > Dundee & Perth Union’s cheapest fare from Dundee to London was 1 guinea > (traveling on deck). According to a comparison with the Retail price > index, that equates to £83 today. > > www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/result.php > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message