Yes, and I found nothing. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Colin Speed Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ANGUS] ROSS m Shanks , Dundee 1864 Have you tried deceasedonline.com. They have records for some of Angus (not Dundee) and an advanced search gives results for free. You have to pay after that. Colin On 11 October 2011 17:49, Bill Banbury <[email protected]> wrote: > Barbara Robertson Black Key ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Shore Terrace is just across Castle Street from Exchange Street, near where the Tay Road Bridge enters Dundee. This area used to be water, hence Shore Terrace and Dock Street. Colin
Yvonne, More years ago than I care to remember, I was employed in the Dundee jute trade. Our bales of jute (or gunnies) were off-loaded and warehoused at the docks by shore porters. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Pratt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: [ANGUS] Shore? > > > Can anyone advise as to where Shore was/is in Dundee please? > > Cheers > > Yvonne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Can anyone locate the burial place for a Barbara Robertson Black Key? Have her living in Lochee. She died in a community north of Dundee, may have been Forfar. Thank You.... Bill B. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Judith Harper Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ANGUS] ROSS m Shanks , Dundee 1864 Jane / Jean SHANKS married John ROSS in Dundee on 31 December 1864. Jane had been born in Aberdeen in 1843 and John was from Cromarty, Rosshire. They had eight children - Mary Ann Christina George John Robert William David Euphemia Anyone out there with any connections to this family? It would be great to hear from you. I descend from Jane's eldest brother William who came to New Zealand. -- Judith Harper Nelson, NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I feel that the three sites FreeCen, FreeBMD and FreeReg are under utilised by family historians who either do not know or forget that they exist. The fact that these sites are free makes them useful resource [especilly those family historians on a budget] and certainly beats having to wait for a library or family history society to open before going off to do research. A big thanks to the volunteers for their work. Mary Anne Gourley I
I agree with Mary Anne - FREECEN wins hands down. I have just informed find my past that they do not have one of my ancestors in their information and gave them the link for FREECEN to prove it..They found out I was correct. In Logie Pert 1841 Census - Folio 1. pages 5 & 6 are missing These pages are/were Blank on Scotlands People also so I got my credits back. Thanks to FREECEN . I got what was on the pages..seems there were 2 filmings (Freecen are going to update the information at some point) Kind Regards Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Scotlands 1841 & 1851 census "transcripts" on findmypast > > Hi Mary Anne > > I would heartily agree with you > > One thing you can do on freecen that neither Ancestry or findmypast offer > for Scotland is the > ability to go to the previous or next household > > Freecen is a bit slow but that facility is very useful, neighbours often > figure in the family in > some way and relatives often live close by > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> "It was announced some time ago that findmypast would be releasing the >> census for Scotland sometime this year Well they have this morning >> released the 1841 & 1851 for Scotland Before you get to excited...." >> >> In order to save money listers should first look at Freecen where for >> many years hard working volunteers have been transcribing the census >> records. Scotland has the best coverage on Freecen beginning with the >> 1841 census, the 1851 is good and the other years also have a good >> coverage - not complete mind you but worth looking at; you may just find >> what you are looking for; I have had a lot of success and refer to >> Freecen first before undertaking a search on the pay to view sites. >> >> Mary Anne Gourley > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Mary Anne I would heartily agree with you One thing you can do on freecen that neither Ancestry or findmypast offer for Scotland is the ability to go to the previous or next household Freecen is a bit slow but that facility is very useful, neighbours often figure in the family in some way and relatives often live close by Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > "It was announced some time ago that findmypast would be releasing the > census for Scotland sometime this year Well they have this morning > released the 1841 & 1851 for Scotland Before you get to excited...." > > In order to save money listers should first look at Freecen where for > many years hard working volunteers have been transcribing the census > records. Scotland has the best coverage on Freecen beginning with the > 1841 census, the 1851 is good and the other years also have a good > coverage - not complete mind you but worth looking at; you may just find > what you are looking for; I have had a lot of success and refer to > Freecen first before undertaking a search on the pay to view sites. > > Mary Anne Gourley
"It was announced some time ago that findmypast would be releasing the census for Scotland sometime this year Well they have this morning released the 1841 & 1851 for Scotland Before you get to excited...." In order to save money listers should first look at Freecen where for many years hard working volunteers have been transcribing the census records. Scotland has the best coverage on Freecen beginning with the 1841 census, the 1851 is good and the other years also have a good coverage - not complete mind you but worth looking at; you may just find what you are looking for; I have had a lot of success and refer to Freecen first before undertaking a search on the pay to view sites. Mary Anne Gourley
Greetings Nivard & All When using the 1841 & 1851 Scotland census seems to work fine as long as you use a person search and change the country tab to Scotland. However names and places seem to have numerous errors :( Cheers from Bruce in NZ ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 2:16 AM Subject: [ANGUS] Scotlands 1841 & 1851 census *transcripts* on findmypast Hi all It was announced some time ago that findmypast would be releasing the census for Scotland sometime this year Well they have this morning released the 1841 & 1851 for Scotland Before you get to excited, I must say there are a couple of major problems (well more than that actually) First they have released a *transcript only* no images, so you are in a worse position than you are with Ancestrys transcript (for example you can't search across all years with worthwhile search terms on findmypast) There is a message on each result which states the image is only available on scotlandspeople The transcript is no better than Ancestry as far as I can see, a birthplace for one of mine in 1851 is transcribed as "Lismahavow" (should be Lesmahagow) So my guess is it was done by people not conversant with Scotlands geography Added to all that (if that were not enough) they have added the Scots census to the same search as the other census, ie you search for a John BIGGS you get every John BIGGS in England, Wales & Scotland The only way you can search just Scotland is in each census year, so much swapping back and forth I took out a years subscription to findmypast mainly on the back of the announcement they would have the census for Scotland I could have saved my money Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Bruce Granted it works after a fashion but you have to go into each year separately to search for Scotland I came across an odd situation last night, I can't recall the exact search I made now but it came up with two pages of results, I was searching for someone in Scotland only I checked through the first page of hits in Scotland and tried to go to the second page and the second were all English places Very strange, I can't replicate it now (thankfully <g>) Like you I have found lots of errors in the places in particular but also in the occupations fields such as "servent" Its just a pity that without the images its no more use than Ancestrys transcripts Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Greetings Nivard & All > > When using the 1841 & 1851 Scotland census seems to work fine as long as you use a person > search and change the country tab to Scotland. > However names and places seem to have numerous errors :( > > Cheers from > Bruce in NZ
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: steelo58 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5667.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: He was married to Mary Cable who is part of Cable family but have all the info I need now thanks. Allan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mrssnuffy Surnames: Fox, Cable, Smith, Adams Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5667.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Allan, Just found your query and I'd like to tell you that James Fox was my 1st cousin 4x removed. His father, David Fox b. 1807, Panbride, Angus was my 3rd great grand uncle, and his Grandfather, Alexander Fox, b. 1761, Panbride, was my 4th great grandfather. Can you pls. tell me your connection to the Fox family? Reagrds, Anne Fox Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
Hi Anne and Alex, You are bringing back memories for me as well. We used to picnic at Lunan Bay and swim in the river there but only when the tide was going out so that we got the warm water. We also used to pick rasps for Chivers on the fields above. We also liked to visit the Elephant Rock (Rock of St. Skae) and the lime kiln at the Bodden. That was during WWII when cycling was the only way to get around. We also used to cycle to the beach just below St. Cyrus. I also had a school chum that lived at Tangleha just up the coast from St. Cyrus. I am also descended from Ferryden folk and other families in the Angus and Kincardineshire area. Who knows, we may be related. My family tree is full of Coulls, Perts, and Wests as well as my family name of Milne. My gr-grandmother Jemima Pert was from Usan. Cheers, Alex Message: 4 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:57:54 +0100 From: "Alex. Gray" <[email protected]> Subject: [ANGUS] Lunan Bay To: "Anne Burgess" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Anne, Thanks for bring back happy memories of Lunan Bay, I can well remember the nets along the beach there. My brothers and I, along with a few pals, used to cycle down to Lunan Bay in the summer time and swim in the river there, diving off the large concrete blocks placed across the river to prevent tanks or small boats gaining access to the Lunan area during WW2. We also used to go to the berry picking in the berry fields bordering Lunan Brae, gooseberries on the right hand side and rasps on the left. These were the days, late 40s, early 50s. I wonder if David & Will Nicoll were from my wife's home village of Ferryden. If I remember correctly there was a house and a fisherman's bothy on the links at Lunan. Many thanks Alex.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/2800.17.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I happen to have seen the death certificate of this Thomas Guthrie, if you are interested. He was the son of James Guthrie and Janet Phillips, baptised 11 May 1788 in Glenisla. He died on 13 February 1858, and he left a will, which I have not seen. If you would like more details contact me at anne-dot-burgess-at-btinternet-dot-com. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
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Hi Anne, Thanks for bring back happy memories of Lunan Bay, I can well remember the nets along the beach there. My brothers and I, along with a few pals, used to cycle down to Lunan Bay in the summer time and swim in the river there, diving off the large concrete blocks placed across the river to prevent tanks or small boats gaining access to the Lunan area during WW2. We also used to go to the berry picking in the berry fields bordering Lunan Brae, gooseberries on the right hand side and rasps on the left. These were the days, late 40s, early 50s. I wonder if David & Will Nicoll were from my wife's home village of Ferryden. If I remember correctly there was a house and a fisherman's bothy on the links at Lunan. Many thanks Alex.
The Tay Salmon Fisheries Company still exists, and has offices at Perth. It owned commercial salmon fishings as far away as Lunan Bay http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1964027, where until the late 20th century they employed a man to work the stake nets on the beach. I well remember the last of them, David Nicoll, and his father Will Nicoll, who worked for the Company before him, and who lived in a company-owned tied cottage next door to ours. However the company seems to have withdrawn from Lunan Bay and the nets are now worked by others. See http://www.taysalmon.co.uk/history.php . What I don't know is whethere the Company actually owned all the fishings on the Tay estuary. Before the founding of the Company in 1899, the salmon fishing was, I think, mainly in the hands of the riparian owners. The valuation rolls list separately the proprietors of fishing rights, I do know a little about the Earl of Southesk's fishings at Lunan Bay. He built new houses at Ethie Haven on the south side of the bay in 1852, and brought in salmon fishers from Benholm and Bervie. Many of them worked and lived there only during the commercial salmon fishing season, and presumably returned to their homes for the winter, but one or two families had lived there permanently since at the least the 18th century. Around 1900 (which, concidentally or not, is when the Tay Salmon Fisheries Company was formed) the estate began to let the houses as holiday homes, and the fishings were worked by a company from Montrose for a number of years. Later on they were worked directly by the Tay Salmon Fisheries Company, and the houses were sold to a local farmer who, in 1938, sold them on individually to the people who had been in the habit of renting them. I am not sure what the relationship is between the Tay Salmon Fisheries Company and the Tay Salmon Fishing Company, which has its registered office in Spalding, Lincolnshire, England. I note that the website of the former was designed by a company based in Lincolnshire, which doesn't look like a concidence. There are basically two methods of netting salmon. The method your ancestors used will depend on where exactly they were working. One method is to set up fixed nets on the shore, projecting out to sea like an arrow. Salmon swim parallel to the shore, and when they encounter an obstruction they turn to seaward. When they do this at a fixed net they swim into a bag at the apex of the arrowhead and are trapped. At low tide the fishermen come along and empty the bag. On a beach like Lunan Bay, one man can do all the necessary work, but if the net is in deeper water it needs a boat and a small crew. The other method is used in rivers, and requires a long net, a boat and a crew of several men. One end of the net is held on the river bank, and the rest of the net is loaded on the boat, which is then rowed round in the big circle, paying out the net as it goes. When the boat reaches the bank again, the crew start to haul in the net until they can collect all the fish caught inside the circle. This method was used on the River Spey, but the angling interests effectively bought this out and it finally closed down in 1993 after 210 years. HTH Anne
Hi Marilyn, A short browse in Google revealed a few things, mainly that the Temperance Party of Scotland was essencially a political party, it founder, Edwin Scrymgeour of Dundee, was elected to Parliament. While it probably had its roots in the temperance movement on both sides of the Atlantic the party does not seem to have been directly affiliated to it. You might like to read: About Edwin Scrmygeour, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Scrymgeour . and www.mcgonigal-online.org.uk/poems/pgmurphy.htm , you might want to skip the poem and scroll down to some background on page 2. By the way, I have tried to send you something directly on another recent subject with an attachment. I have tried twice and it bounced. Could you check that your e-mail settings do not exclude me or items with attachments. Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Arnold" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 3:30 AM Subject: [ANGUS] Temperance Party abt 1900, Dundee > Would one of the wonderful and knowledgable folks on this list be able to > steer me towards learning more about the Temperance Party/movement in > Dundee? Specifically, I'd welcome information on: > > a.. how/where to get more information? > b.. membership? How to learn who were members of this party? > c.. what/who/what groups caused this movement to be started? > d.. was this affiliated with any particular church? > e.. was placing a gravestone of a member commonplace or would this > indicate a more senior/noted elder member of the Party? > > A distant cousin has indicated that one of our family was a member of this > party and that his gravestone was placed by this organization in his > honor. > > Thank you! > Marilyn Arnold > DC > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3938 - Release Date: 10/04/11 >