Dear Colin, Thank you for the invitation to the AGM and etc. I am afraid I shall be unable to attend due to a previous engagement. I do hope that the event goes very well. Yours sincerely, Jasmine Belloni

Hi Tina, I tried 'Irish names' on Google and got http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/ I couldn't make out the next symbol but after that bj333/HomePage.boys.html I'm sorry it isn't clearer, I'm nearly as old as my computer!! But, there are more Irish names on that page than I knew existed. Try Google. Good luck, Shirley > > Hello listers, I'm hoping there are some people in the group with knowledge of Irish names. > We have heard from an old aunt in the family about Vinnie Gaffney who went to USA ended up in Sing Sing etc etc. > Asking if anyone can tell me if Vinnie or Viney is the correct Irish first name or if it stood for something else, suggestion is Vinhals. > No luck with obvious Vince or Vincent.

Hello listers, I'm hoping there are some people in the group with knowledge of Irish names. We have heard from an old aunt in the family about Vinnie Gaffney who went to USA ended up in Sing Sing etc etc. Asking if anyone can tell me if Vinnie or Viney is the correct Irish first name or if it stood for something else, suggestion is Vinhals. No luck with obvious Vince or Vincent. I'm hopeless with Irish first name spelling and how they are pronounced. Keeping my fingers crossed someone can help. Warmest regards Tina Morana

RG10/4149, folio 160 Oak Mount, Habergham Eaves, Burnley, Lancashire: William F HOPWOOD, Head, Married, 35, Cotton Manufacturer, born Lancashire, Burnley Fanny A M, Wife, Married, 28, No Occupation, born Yorkshire, Whitby (Looks like Marritte A) H**DOCK (could be H**DICK), Visitor, Widow, 59, No Occupation, born Italy, Florence Sarah HUDSWELL, Servant, Married, 35, Cook, born Worcestershire, Man*** Mary Ann BELL, Servant, Unmarried, 18, Housemaid, born Wales A Williams Bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk

Hello list The Catholic Family History Society is holding its annual Day Conference and Annual General Meeting on Saturday 13 November 2004 commencing at 10.00 in the Church Hall of the Church of Our Lady of Victories, 235a Kensington High Street, London. Entrance to the Church hall is through the archway at the side of 16 Abingdon Road via the back doors at the rear of the courtyard. The meeting is open to non-members so anyone will be very welcome. Programme 10.00 Parish Mass 11.15 What's in print for Catholic family interests, speaker: Michael Gandy 12.30 Lunch 2.00 AGM 3.15 Family history research as a tool for biography by reference to Venerable Mary Potter, speaker: Pam Fontana The meeting costs £7.00. A buffet lunch is available for £8.00. Please contact me if you will be attending. A particularly valuable aspect of the society's work for Anglo-Italian family history is its long-running programme of Catholic church register transcriptions, making available records that otherwise would be difficult, if not impossible, to access. The society has concentrated on registers from before the time of civil registration, particularly baptisms, but some later registers have been transcribed. Most of the work has not been formally published but has been deposited in the appropriate local archives; a complete set is held by the Society of Genealogists and by the Catholic Central Library. Colin Moretti I'm a member of the Anglo-Italian Family History Society http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk Looking for MORETTI, PAGLIANO, BARGMAN, in London TYAS, IVESON, WOOD, ABBOTT in Yorkshire

RG10/4147, folio 154 2 Berkeley St, Burnley, Lancashire: Augustine PEDESTA, Head, Widower, 40, Pedlar, born Italy Vincent, Son, Unmarried, 21, Brushmaker, born Lancashire, Burnley John, Son, Unmarried, 19, Brushmaker, born Lancashire, Burnley Augustine, Son, 10, born Lancashire, Burnley Roseanna, Daughter, Unmarried, 23, Housekeeper, born Lancashire, Burnley Mary, Daughter, 15, Cotton Weaver, born Lancashire, Burnley A Williams Bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk

RG10/4147, folio 25 30 Temple St, Burnley, Lancashire: John PEDESTE, Head, Married, 52, Stripper & Grinder, born Italy Rosanna, Wife, Married, 49, No occupation, born Ireland Mary, Daughter, Unmarried, 23, Cotton Weaver, born Lancashire, Lancaster Elizabeth, Daughter, Unmarried, 22, Cotton Weaver, born Lancashire, Preston Joseph, Son, Unmarried, 21, Cotton Weaver, born Lancashire, Clitheroe Charles, Son, Unmarried, 19, Cotton Weaver, born Lancashire, Bury John Thomas, Son, 12, born Lancashire, Padiham A Williams Bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk

G'Day to everyone, while looking for Irish ancestor Vince Gaffney, I stumbled across Vincente Giovani.(1901 census) He was 18 b Italy living in Soho, St Annes, Westminster. Clicked on to "rest of family" Head of the house was Domanes Crotta with his family and 11 other young men from Italy mostly working as waiters. Will list some names however I feel first and surnames have been mixed about. Address was Batesmans Buildings. Zuffo, Tarene, Calsello, Ganee. I do hope this of help to one of our group. Best wishes from a "nippy" west oz. Melbourne Cup on Tues, the race that stops a nation. If it's a wet track your Irish stayer Vinnie Roe will go fave. Stormy weather forecast and the horses don't like that, get skittery. I'm off to the pub for Melb Cup lunch along with the rest of the country. Happy Punting. Cheers Tina Morana

I found this news story while looking for information on the "Arandora Star" tragedy, concerning a call from Italy's politicians for compensation. It is fairly recent, having been posted within the last two weeks. I have no direct ancestors who were on board, however my great grandmother's brother in law, Domenico Di Cocco was killed. http://www.sundaylife.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=573053

Hello Tina Thanks for the offer of assistance; I'm the one looking for Tyas, not Sarah Lucia. I'm about to go out so cannot reply immediately with my interests, I'll write later off-list as I don't think that there are any Italian links there. Many thanks Colin Moretti I'm a member of the Anglo-Italian Family History Society http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk Looking for MORETTI, PAGLIANO, BARGMAN, in London TYAS, IVESON, WOOD, ABBOTT in Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Pearce" <tina_ed.downunder@bigpond.com> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] TYAS > Hi there Sarah Lucia > There are heaps of Tyas folk in 1871 & 1891 census scattered across Yorkshire. > Do you have a particular person or area (ie Halifax) you are researching? Please let me know, would love to be of help. > Best wishes Tina > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Search Archives http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=ANGLO-ITALIAN > Browse Archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ANGLO-ITALIAN/ > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi there Sarah Lucia There are heaps of Tyas folk in 1871 & 1891 census scattered across Yorkshire. Do you have a particular person or area (ie Halifax) you are researching? Please let me know, would love to be of help. Best wishes Tina

G'Day again Tony Not sure which area to look for the above, however I hope this info is of some help. So pleased you are making headway. Rosina Redonda b? 13/9/1922 died Bristol aged 74 Sep quarter 1996. Virgilio Riccardo Ricci B? 1926 died Swansea 1998. Best wishes Tina

Hello Sarah Lucia The County Record Office for Camden is the London Metropolitan Archives. http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/leisure_heritage/libraries_archives_museums_galleries/lma/ What dates are you interested in? If it is for the late 19th/early 20th C, registration had to be with the local police; for London that would be the Metropolitan Police, whose records are held by TNA at Kew. Apparently the Metropolitan Police kept only a sample set of a few hundred registration cards of the many hundreds of thousands, they can be found in class MEPO 35. Normally the cards were destroyed 10 years after the alien was naturalised, died, or left the UK. For more information see Immigrants and Aliens, by Kershaw and Pearsall. Some records were kept by the local Boards of Guardians, those that survive for Greater London are held at London Metropolitan Archives. Kershaw and Pearsall list the following: Poplar, Shoreditch, Marylebone, Wandsworth and Woolwich, not Camden, I'm afraid. Passports The TNO information leaflet on passports states: "Before the First World War it was rare for someone travelling abroad to apply for a passport ... Possession was largely confined to merchants and diplomats, and the vast majority of those travelling overseas had no formal document." For the full text of the leaflet go to the TNA website http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/searchourcollections/ and search for "passport". I hope that helps, Colin Moretti I'm a member of the Anglo-Italian Family History Society http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk Looking for MORETTI, PAGLIANO, BARGMAN, in London TYAS, IVESON, WOOD, ABBOTT in Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: <RAPETTISL@aol.com> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] (no subject) > Can anyone tell me where "aliens registration papers" would be held? The > information I've read says "county record offices". For the (now) London > Borough of Camden, where would that be? > > I also wondered if my Great Grandmother (who had British nationality) > would've needed a passport to travel to Italy with her husband in the early 1900s? > > Any help would be gratefully received (as always!). > > Best wishes > > Sarah Lucia RAPETTI > researching RAPETTI and MEANI > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Search Archives http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=ANGLO-ITALIAN > Browse Archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ANGLO-ITALIAN/ > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Colin Many thanks for the info. That has really helped! Best wishes. Sarah Lucia RAPETTI researching RAPETTI and MEANI

Can anyone tell me where "aliens registration papers" would be held? The information I've read says "county record offices". For the (now) London Borough of Camden, where would that be? I also wondered if my Great Grandmother (who had British nationality) would've needed a passport to travel to Italy with her husband in the early 1900s? Any help would be gratefully received (as always!). Best wishes Sarah Lucia RAPETTI researching RAPETTI and MEANI

Hi Tina Thanks again for all the details.Things are now becomming a bit clearer.Thought that Lucia,(Who married Paulo VELARDO) was the daughter of Andrea & Nanzensca CAPOCCI.,but is appears that her surname is D"AGOSTINO.This makes sense, as Nanzensca CAPOCCI (My gr grandmother) maiden name was D"AGOSTINO. They all lived at Simms Alley in the early part of the 1900,s. With regards to Lucia age at time of her marriage,it appears that it was fairly common in our family to marry off the daughters at a very young age,so, Lucia,s could well be correct in the 1901 census.The most interesting note, ? is her age in 1901, (19) and born in Bristol. Which would mean the family arrived here prior to 1884 which is the earlist date I have (So far !!). Can also begin to see the Spanish connection.As mentioned before,my gr grandparents(Andrea & Nanzesca CAPOCCI) ,married in Spain sometime around 1880,and their first born ,Lucia ( b1883 )was born in Spain. Still trying to find out, how one is able to research Spanish records ?.Will also now have to start searching the Swansea ,Wales, records for children of those mentioned above. Thanks again for your help. Regards Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Pearce" <tina_ed.downunder@bigpond.com> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:45 AM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Velardo > Hi again Tony, > free 1901 census has errors in the transcription. > I have viewed original and may have found your Spanish connection. > > 1901 11 Simms Alley Bristol > Paolo Velardo 29 born Spain, organ grinder self employed > wife Lucia 19 b Bristol - query age think she would have been older. > son Carmennino 3 born Bristol > Son Domenico 1 born Bristol > baby Alberto 1m. born Bristol > Brother Guiseppe 14 organ grinder b Italy > Marr. Paolo Velardo to Lucia Dagostino 1896 (parish Avon Gloucs) > Interesting that next door in Simms Alley lived a Dagostino family, perhaps Lucia's brother > Will be in touch again soon. Regs Tina > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi again Tony, free 1901 census has errors in the transcription. I have viewed original and may have found your Spanish connection. 1901 11 Simms Alley Bristol Paolo Velardo 29 born Spain, organ grinder self employed wife Lucia 19 b Bristol - query age think she would have been older. son Carmennino 3 born Bristol Son Domenico 1 born Bristol baby Alberto 1m. born Bristol Brother Guiseppe 14 organ grinder b Italy Marr. Paolo Velardo to Lucia Dagostino 1896 (parish Avon Gloucs) Interesting that next door in Simms Alley lived a Dagostino family, perhaps Lucia's brother Will be in touch again soon. Regs Tina

Hi Tina Many thanks for the details.Have just checked my family list and found Dominico VELARDO,son of Paulo and mother Lucia VELARDO nee Capocci. Lucia was my grandfathers elder sister (By 10 years).So any other information would be most usefull. Family lore had told me that they lived in Wales,but as of today, could not prove as fact.Will have to research, and find if Dominico married and had any children. Dominico,mother Lucia, was born in Spain of Italian parents. Our search now will mainly center on finding Lucia,s birth place in Spain ,which may also lead us to where her parents married ,also, in Spain,circa 1875 to 1883. Thanks again Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Pearce" <tina_ed.downunder@bigpond.com> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] VELARDO/REDONDA > Hi Tony > Have found Luigi ROSSI in 1871 census born Naples 1847 in the Royal Navy > aboard the ship "Caledonia" as a bandsman. > In 1891 census lots of Redonda in St Peter Kent. > In 1871 Ricci families in Clerkenwell as are Rossi families. > in 1901 Velardo's in the Swansea area. > Have Dom.Velardo B 1899 died 1995 Swansea. > Also 1901 Velardo's in Gloucestershire and a few in Somerset. > Please let me know if I can be of more helping. > Happy Hunting from a sunny spring day in Oz. > Tina Morana > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Caple" <caple@services61.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:28 PM > Subject: [Anglo-Italian] VELARDO/REDONDA > > > > Hi Everyone > > Looking for anyone or anything connected to the surname,s VELARDO and > > REDONDA,circa 1870/2004.Connections to Italy/Spain. Plus Plymouth,Bristol > > UK,Cardiff, Wales UK. > > > > Also, surname RICCI,& ROSSI > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

RG10/4144, folio 71 6 Duke St, New Accrington, Lancashire: James ROGER, Head, Married, (looks like 54), Lodging House Keeper, born Italy (Not B Subject) Mary, Wife, Married, (looks like 58), No Occupation, born Italy (not B Subject) Mary J, Daughter, 12, born Lancashire, Accrington + Lodgers A Williams Bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk

Hi Tony Have found Luigi ROSSI in 1871 census born Naples 1847 in the Royal Navy aboard the ship "Caledonia" as a bandsman. In 1891 census lots of Redonda in St Peter Kent. In 1871 Ricci families in Clerkenwell as are Rossi families. in 1901 Velardo's in the Swansea area. Have Dom.Velardo B 1899 died 1995 Swansea. Also 1901 Velardo's in Gloucestershire and a few in Somerset. Please let me know if I can be of more helping. Happy Hunting from a sunny spring day in Oz. Tina Morana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Caple" <caple@services61.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] VELARDO/REDONDA > Hi Everyone > Looking for anyone or anything connected to the surname,s VELARDO and > REDONDA,circa 1870/2004.Connections to Italy/Spain. Plus Plymouth,Bristol > UK,Cardiff, Wales UK. > > Also, surname RICCI,& ROSSI > > > > Tony > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >