Hi Elaine, I am afraid I have not much info. on the actual church or register but I do know from the street directory for Penarth, Cardiff in 1910 that the Catholic Church was St. Joseph's Catholic Church and the priest was Re. Stephen L Rossetti, with a surname like this I am sure that there would have been quiet a few Italians going to this Church. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Collins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 8:58 PM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Italian churches and places of worship > Hello listers, > > below is the beginning of the pages for the AI website that deal with the > churches and places of worship in the UK, both historically and present day. > Please please, see if you can add anything to this list. I'm particularly > keen to add details of what registers exist and where they are kept,and of > course if there are any transcriptions, or if they're included in the IGI, > so if you have any ideas, please let me know. > > In many towns and cities, there isn't a specific Italian church or mission, > and it would be good to add details of which Roman Catholic churches the > Italian communities tended to use, so if you've found more than a handful of > Italians in any register, please also let me know. > > I can't seem to find anything for Wales. Surely Cardiff, Swansea etc had > Italian communities? > > All help gratefully received. And if there's anyone out there who wants to > take this on as a little research project, I'd be very happy to hand it over > while I work on other things. > > Elaine > > > > > > ITALIAN CHURCHES IN THE UK > > BEDFORD > St. Francis Cabrini (Italian Church) > 10 Woburn Road, Bedford MK40 1EG > Established in 1965 > (Where did the Bedford Italian community worship before this?) > > Scalabrini Fathers (CS) Rev Giuseppe Bortolazzo (Superior), Rev Ettore > Zentile (01234) 359515 Fax: (01234) 340626 > > The community holds a Festa on the last Sunday of August. > > LONDON > > St Peter's Italian Church, Clerkenwell Road, ECI > St Peter's was built as an Italian Church in 1864, and is the only Italian > church to have national parish status. History of St Peter's can be found at > http://www.stpeters-italian-church.org.uk/history1.htm > > Also on the web but, somewhat hard to find, is a much longer and more > detailed article called St Peter's Italian Church In London by Luca Stanca > (English translation by Michael Coffey). If you search on Google for it, > they have a cached version of the PDF file that you can read. > > > Chiesa del Redentore, Brixton Road > 'In December 1993, the Italian Centro Scalabrini, in South London, > celebrated its 25th anniversary. The Centro Scalabrini, and Italian > religious-cum-social club, is part of the Scalabrini congregation, an > Italian missionary order founded in 1887 to minister mainly to Italian > emigrants and their descendants around the world. Aside from the > administration offices, the building houses the Italian Women's Club, a club > for retirees, a youth club, and the Church of the Redeemer (Chiesa del > Redentore). The Scalabrinian fathers in London also edit the most widely > read Italian newspaper in Britain: La Voce degli Italiani (LV hereafter).' > This extract comes from a paper by Anne-Marie Fortier and further details > and the full article can be read at: > http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/sociology/soc066af.html > > Royal Sardinian Chapel, Lincoln's Inn - used by the Italian community, and > many other London Catholics, before St Peter's was built. > > 'But before Westminster Cathedral was thought of (it was first used on St. > Joseph's Day in 1903) the Red Mass was celebrated at the Old Sardinian > Chapel, attended by the few Catholic judges and counsel attached to the > English courts, though most of these Catholic jurists were Irish and not > English. The Sardinian Chapel, which used to stand in Lincoln's Inn Fields, > was formerly the Embassy Chapel of the King of Sardinia. It was an important > link with history, since it was the only Chapel in London where Mass was > allowed to be celebrated in penal days.' > from Henry Watts: America (October 3, 1942). To read more about the Red > Mass, click here http://www.thomas-more-ottawa.org/history.html > > 'The Sardinian Chapel, Lincoln's Inn Fields, which has registers dating from > 1729, and which is said to have been founded in 1648, was doubled in size. > At one time in the eighteenth century seven priests were attached to it, > serving a Catholic population of nearly 14,000; in 1814 there was a Catholic > population of 7000 served by four or five priests. In 1799 Bishop Douglass > took over the lease of the chapel and converted the ambassador's house into > a presbytery, the mission being henceforward supported by the congregation. > The old church, built by Inigo Jones and enlarged by Sir Christopher Wren, > was standing until 1909, when it had to be abandoned to make room for the > London County Council improvements in connection with the new highway > Kingsway, and the present church was built a short distance off.' > > >From the New Advent online Catholic Encylopedia > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15592c.htm > > 'Venetian and Neapolitan Governments also maintained chapels where public > worship was carried out more or less attractively during the eighteenth > century.' > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15592c.htm > > Three small catholic chapels were opened in Clerkenwell to accommodate the > burgeoning immigrant Catholic population, which included Irish as well as > Italians, before St Peter's was built: > St Peter and Paul in Rosoman Street (now Amwell St) 1847 (chuch still > survives) > St Brigid's in Baldwin Gardens in 1850 > The Holy Family Chapel in Saffron Hill in 1854 > > > MANCHESTER > Although there is no specifically Italian church in the city, St Michael's > was traditionally used by the Italian community, and sponsored the annual > Whit Walk. > > NOTTINGHAM There is an Italian mission here. > > PETERBOROUGH > San Giuseppe, nr Gladstone Street. Established in 1962. (This information > comes from Terri Colpi's book, The Italian Factor 1991, but I have been > unable to find a current address for a church of this name.) > > Peterborough, Cambs 6 (+) St. Anthony's > Address: 3, Fairfield Road, Fletton, PE2 8BD Phone: (01733) 565527 > Clergy: Italian Mission Scalabrini Fathers (C.S) Rev. Giovanni Alessi > > SCOTLAND There was no special place of worship, and so you may need to > check the records of the nearest Roman Catholic church. > > GLASGOW Many Italians were concentrated in the Garnet Hill area and so > worshipped at St Aloysius. > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History > At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Listers I am a new member to this list - I am trying to trace any actual records of my grandfather Albino Flavio GIOIA. I cannot find his birth marriage or death records, and he does not appear on the 1881 census 1891 census, nor as far as I can tell at the moment - the 1901 census. This is what I know about him : He was a hotel chef in London, 1909 Birmingham 1912 - a Mess Chef in Aldershot in 1913, served on the Vessel 'Malwa' as a cook, in 1915, was the father of five children between 1909 and 1920 was listed on the death certificate of his wife in 1925, living in Hammersmith and on the marriage certificates of two of his daughters in 1933, 1935. None of these sources give his age, but I would imagine he would have been born about the same time as my grandmother in 1885. Does anyone have any connection to this elusive man? - or any other suggestions as to how I can track him down please? Best wishes from down-under Eunice in Queensland Australia

Hello Listers I am a new member to this and will post my interests later In answer to this part of the posting:- >I can't seem to find anything for Wales. Surely Cardiff, Swansea etc had Italian communities?> Yes they certainly did, and in the 1881 census there is an entry for Ludovico GIOJA (sic) who was the Italian vice-consul for Wales, and I have written to them (they still have the consulate there), as I am trying to trace my Grandfather Albino Flavio GIOIA - so if you need the address I can give it to you I also understand that there is a flourishing Italian community in Birmingham. all the best Eunice Shanahan in Queensland Australia

Hello Listers, I signed up a few days ago and am delighted the lists exists. I am hoping to break down my brick wall, however, I do realize it may take time! I've been searching for 20 years for my great grandmother and her family, so I have built up a degree of patience! Great grandmother's maiden name has several variants according to her two marriage certificates and the birth certs of her children. These are,predominantly EROTTI and EROTY (which I'm told is probably the Hungarian surname and that many Hungarians settled in Italy) Her marriages took place in Plymouth, Devon (1876 & 1891 respectively) and all her children were born in Devon. I cannot find any variant of her maiden name in Cenus records. She was born 1856 - 1859 (again according to certificates and Census (after she married her age changes). But, the big problem is she told her family she was born at sea - on the way from Philadelphia to England. She said they were Italian. She ran away from home when they wanted to put her in a convent. How she got from London to Devon is a mystery also. Her story was that her parents left Italy and went to Philadelphia, didn't like it there so went on to England. HOw long they stayed in US I don't know! I would have thought her parents would have appeared in early Census records i.e 1861 but I'm told searching the London fiche would take me forever. She gave London as her place of birth in the 1881 Census down in Devon (she was married by then so appears under her married surname GRIMES). I would greatly appreciate it if any one on the list can give me some suggestions or comments. Cheers, Diane (Canada)

Hi! I have has the problems with names being entered in the wrong order eg Horace Arnold Symonds being shown on his birth cert as Horace Symonds ARNOLD. The double complication in my case being that he was born six months before his parents married, so initially to was registered as Arnold because his mother was Winifred Arnaboldi (the focus of my interest in this list). To see if this was relevant in your case, I searched C1881 for several variations of the surname you give, also Flavio and Albino as surnames. The only one that came up was Albino, with 15 entries between 1819 and 1880. If your grandfather was born in 1885, then we would not expect him to be in C1881, however your real salvation should be C1901 (if it is ever accessible) as it will show his age and where he was born. As there is no sign of his parents in C1881, my conclusion is that he was born elsewhere than UK. However you should be able to find his M. cert if you have found the b. cert of his eldest daughter. I also checked for his parents in freebmd and found 14 entries for Albino as a surname, but nothing else. I share your frustrations and hope you will soon discover what you are seeking. Best wishes from Brian Symonds in sunny Bristol UK. Happy Easter! Bye.

Does anyone have a copy of Italian Roots, published by the Berkshire Family History Association in Nov 2001? http://www.berksfhs.org.uk/pubs/RegionalOverseasPubs.htm If you do have, can you please give as idea of what's in it and bibliographical details (ISBN, author etc) so I can add it to the booklist, and can work out whether I should buy a copy. Also it is the sort of book that would be useful for look ups? many thanks, Elaine

Hello listers, below is the beginning of the pages for the AI website that deal with the churches and places of worship in the UK, both historically and present day. Please please, see if you can add anything to this list. I'm particularly keen to add details of what registers exist and where they are kept,and of course if there are any transcriptions, or if they're included in the IGI, so if you have any ideas, please let me know. In many towns and cities, there isn't a specific Italian church or mission, and it would be good to add details of which Roman Catholic churches the Italian communities tended to use, so if you've found more than a handful of Italians in any register, please also let me know. I can't seem to find anything for Wales. Surely Cardiff, Swansea etc had Italian communities? All help gratefully received. And if there's anyone out there who wants to take this on as a little research project, I'd be very happy to hand it over while I work on other things. Elaine ITALIAN CHURCHES IN THE UK BEDFORD St. Francis Cabrini (Italian Church) 10 Woburn Road, Bedford MK40 1EG Established in 1965 (Where did the Bedford Italian community worship before this?) Scalabrini Fathers (CS) Rev Giuseppe Bortolazzo (Superior), Rev Ettore Zentile (01234) 359515 Fax: (01234) 340626 The community holds a Festa on the last Sunday of August. LONDON St Peter's Italian Church, Clerkenwell Road, ECI St Peter's was built as an Italian Church in 1864, and is the only Italian church to have national parish status. History of St Peter's can be found at http://www.stpeters-italian-church.org.uk/history1.htm Also on the web but, somewhat hard to find, is a much longer and more detailed article called St Peter's Italian Church In London by Luca Stanca (English translation by Michael Coffey). If you search on Google for it, they have a cached version of the PDF file that you can read. Chiesa del Redentore, Brixton Road 'In December 1993, the Italian Centro Scalabrini, in South London, celebrated its 25th anniversary. The Centro Scalabrini, and Italian religious-cum-social club, is part of the Scalabrini congregation, an Italian missionary order founded in 1887 to minister mainly to Italian emigrants and their descendants around the world. Aside from the administration offices, the building houses the Italian Women's Club, a club for retirees, a youth club, and the Church of the Redeemer (Chiesa del Redentore). The Scalabrinian fathers in London also edit the most widely read Italian newspaper in Britain: La Voce degli Italiani (LV hereafter).' This extract comes from a paper by Anne-Marie Fortier and further details and the full article can be read at: http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/sociology/soc066af.html Royal Sardinian Chapel, Lincoln's Inn - used by the Italian community, and many other London Catholics, before St Peter's was built. 'But before Westminster Cathedral was thought of (it was first used on St. Joseph's Day in 1903) the Red Mass was celebrated at the Old Sardinian Chapel, attended by the few Catholic judges and counsel attached to the English courts, though most of these Catholic jurists were Irish and not English. The Sardinian Chapel, which used to stand in Lincoln's Inn Fields, was formerly the Embassy Chapel of the King of Sardinia. It was an important link with history, since it was the only Chapel in London where Mass was allowed to be celebrated in penal days.' from Henry Watts: America (October 3, 1942). To read more about the Red Mass, click here http://www.thomas-more-ottawa.org/history.html 'The Sardinian Chapel, Lincoln's Inn Fields, which has registers dating from 1729, and which is said to have been founded in 1648, was doubled in size. At one time in the eighteenth century seven priests were attached to it, serving a Catholic population of nearly 14,000; in 1814 there was a Catholic population of 7000 served by four or five priests. In 1799 Bishop Douglass took over the lease of the chapel and converted the ambassador's house into a presbytery, the mission being henceforward supported by the congregation. The old church, built by Inigo Jones and enlarged by Sir Christopher Wren, was standing until 1909, when it had to be abandoned to make room for the London County Council improvements in connection with the new highway Kingsway, and the present church was built a short distance off.' >From the New Advent online Catholic Encylopedia http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15592c.htm 'Venetian and Neapolitan Governments also maintained chapels where public worship was carried out more or less attractively during the eighteenth century.' http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15592c.htm Three small catholic chapels were opened in Clerkenwell to accommodate the burgeoning immigrant Catholic population, which included Irish as well as Italians, before St Peter's was built: St Peter and Paul in Rosoman Street (now Amwell St) 1847 (chuch still survives) St Brigid's in Baldwin Gardens in 1850 The Holy Family Chapel in Saffron Hill in 1854 MANCHESTER Although there is no specifically Italian church in the city, St Michael's was traditionally used by the Italian community, and sponsored the annual Whit Walk. NOTTINGHAM There is an Italian mission here. PETERBOROUGH San Giuseppe, nr Gladstone Street. Established in 1962. (This information comes from Terri Colpi's book, The Italian Factor 1991, but I have been unable to find a current address for a church of this name.) Peterborough, Cambs 6 (+) St. Anthony's Address: 3, Fairfield Road, Fletton, PE2 8BD Phone: (01733) 565527 Clergy: Italian Mission Scalabrini Fathers (C.S) Rev. Giovanni Alessi SCOTLAND There was no special place of worship, and so you may need to check the records of the nearest Roman Catholic church. GLASGOW Many Italians were concentrated in the Garnet Hill area and so worshipped at St Aloysius.

Hello Listers It has been decided to set up an e-petition website to protest our case about the lack of availablity of the 1901 census. Offers to set this up have been made and the best time-scale so far has been within 24 hours of 22.00 hrs British Time 26th March. I'd hope we could get at least 20,000 signatures within a couple of days and send the petition by say Tuesday 2nd April. We'd have to 'advertise' the petition on various mailing lists to do that. I have also visited the Tracy Housel e-petition as an example of how to set-up an e-petition website (poor man only got 1137 signatures - but at least that got an appeal from the British Government) on www.petitiononline.com/tracyH/petition It has links to View Current Signatures and to Sign Petition. Since submission, the current signatures link has been disabled because of the SirCam virus - which makes sense - but perhaps a warning about virus' and advice as to how to download virus protection would come in handy. I'd suggest the following wording - all items in brackets are comments only and not to be included ......... 1901 CENSUS View current signatures (link).................... - Sign the Petition (link) TO : THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT Promises have been made by the British Government, via media sources and the Public Record Offices that the 1901 census would be available for public viewing online from 1st January 2002. It has been assumed that these promises have been made in conjuction with the proposed Freedom of Information Act (does anyone know if this is law yet? - or just proposed?). An attempt to fulfil these (this?) promise(s) has categorically failed due to incompetently researched high levels of demand. Nevertheless, the British and International Community have in the past, highly respected the promises of the British Government and would expect their promises to be fulfilled. More recent proposals have suggested access within limited demands, which we the undersigned do not believe to be full and proper implementation of the original promise. We the undersigned urge the British Government to comply in full with it's promise to allow access to the 1901 census, notwithstanding demand, as a matter of urgency. Yours sincerely The Undersigned Click here to Sign Petition (link) View current signatures (link) If you have any sensible suggestions to add please let me know asap - Regards Linda Jones South-East UK Note - feel free to copy this email to other lists

Hi Alison > I am new to this list and would like to post my surname interest. Mr Great > Grandfather was Jacama Caporalette born 1863 in Ancona, Italy. He was a > fireman on board the Otway. He came to Fremantle in Western Australia when > I don't know but was married in 1888. He had 13 children and they changed > their name from Caporaletti to Caporalette and then to Cottrell. There are > no other Caporaletti's in Australia and trying to track him down is very > difficult. > > Any advice on where to look would be appreciated. I can't find him entering > the country at all. I'm not certain what you are trying to find for your great grandfather, but presume it's his birth and family records in Italy so you can find your great great grandparents. You don't say whether you think he arrived in Australia via Britain so I wonder if you are hoping for British records to help you. Perhaps you could let us know what you hope to find? CAPORALETTI may not be common in Australia, but it's common in Italy. See http://www.informadove.it/ENG/index.asp for current distribution. You will probably need to narrow down Ancoma to the parish in which he was born, although there are other possible records that could help since he was born in 1863. By 1888, Italians had to register change of status (e.g. marriage) for their records back in their parish of birth. Your g grandfather would also have been registered for military service in Italy so you may be able to find conscription records which are usually indexed. Trafford Cole's book "Italian genealogical records" is recommended as it outlines what Italian records are available to you. I also don't know when my relative left Italy (but to go to London). There have been at least 15 spelling variations in English records from 1851 as our name settled from Ghirardani to Geradine. You may have a similar spelling problem with your surname and more variations than you know about. Perhaps with some creative spelling you could identify earlier Australian records. I expect you have already discovered what records are available from an Australian list. (I see there is also an apparently defunct Rootsweb list, ARIA, for Aus/NZ Italian heritage which may have helpful archives) Was your g grandfather part of an Italian community in Freemantle? Perhaps there are some books on Italian immigrants in Australia that would be useful (with subject headings like Italy -- Emigration and immigration, Australia -- Emigration and immigration). You may be able to interloan from the National Library of Australia and they have an online catalogue. I found an interesting book about Italians in Britain (in the National Library of NZ, being an emigrant myself). I hope something I have said is helpful to you, and if I've made the wrong assumptions about what you want to find out and already know, please let me know. Daphne Dashfield (Geradine)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Baker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:19 AM Subject: BARABROTTO and DE MORI Interests Saw this new list and thought I would post my interests and see what happens. My ancestors are Anglo-Italian, but through a complicated story via Australia. My Grandfather, probable name Francresco DE MORI was born in 1876 near Conegliano in the Veneto Region, mother Lucia BARBAROTTO, Grandparents Lucia and Angelo BARBAROTTO. Along with 300 other Italians from the Region, they joined the Marquis de Rey expedition to Australia in 1880 which ended in disaster. There is much published about this expedition which is part of Australian folklore. Would however be interested in hearing from anyone who has links to either the DE MORI or BARBAROTTO Families in the Veneto Region. Ken in Brussels --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 2002-22-Mar

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Baker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:13 AM Subject: Subscribe Saw this new list and thought I would join and see what happens. My ancestors are Anglo-Italian, but through a complicated story via Australia. My Grandfather, probable name Francresco DE MORI, mother Lucia BARBAROTTO was born in 1876 near Conegliano in the Veneto Region. Along with 300 other Italians from the Region, they joined the Marquis de Rey expedition to Australia in 1880 which ended in disaster. There is much published about this expedition which is part of Australian folklore. Would however be interested in hearing from anyone who has links to either the DE MORI or BARBAROTTO Families in the Veneto Region. Ken in Brussels --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 2002-22-Mar

have you any ideas of how i can put this right? whats acturly happened to it? damain gevaux talk21 - TV email

>Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 07:47:46 -0000 >From: "eric bell" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Spelzini > >Hello all, > >Just joined this list and am hoping that sks's out there may also be >searching for the illusive Spelzini family or have some further >info on them that might help me get around my current brickwall. > >To date we know that John Spelzini was a barometer maker in Leather >Lane, Holborn in 1840 and had 7 children (4 boys who all stayed in >the same trade). He may also have had a brother called Joseph >although I'm having trouble finding anything that links the two of >them together. > >The 1846 trade directory shows that he was using 81 Leather Lane as >a workshop but seems to disappear after that. (He was still making >barometers until 1865 but not sure where from). As this area of >London was used by several Italian barometer makers I'm hoping he >may have shared a premises with somebody else. Kelly's Directory for 1848 shows a John SPELZINI, barometer maker, at 11 Beauchamp Street, Brooke Street, Holborn. I used to work in Brooke Street, Beauchamp Street must have disappeared long before, and it's very close indeed to Leather Lane. There were still many similar workshops still in the surrounding area in my time (1950s), which was, and is close by to the Italian Church in Clerkenwell Road.-- Cheers, Roy Dent EoLFHS #7549

Many thanks to Janet who looked at 7 Eyre St Hill, Clerkenwell on the 1891 census and uncovered yet another spelling to add to my collection, as well as probable confirmation that my gg grandfather was born in Parma, not Lombardy. The original immigrant, my gg grandfather, Joseph (spelt GHIRARDANI at his 1851 marriage by an Italian priest) was there, a street musician aged 65, with the surname JERIDI(E)NE. (Also his wife Elizabeth and daughter Louisa). By this time my grandfather had been born and given the surname GERADINE, unlike his oldest siblings who were GHIRARDANI. Others in the family seemed to have settled on the same spelling. I suspect Jopseph never learnt to write and just said it the way his children had decided to spell and pronounce it after the English clerks had first changed the spelling and then others had pronounced what was spelt. For new listers, any sightings of the following, especially in London from about 1850, may well be my family: (GHIRARDANI isn't a common name in Italy, unlike GHIRARDINI): GHIRARDANI Variations: GERADINE, GHIRADANI, GEARDINI, GERARDINI, GHIREDANI, GHERARDINI, GHIRARDINI, GERADINI, JERIDINA, GERARDINE, GERARDANI, GEORDINI, JERIDI(E)NE, GHIRAND(I)ANI Daphne Dashfield (Geradine)

Forwarding. This arrived this morning. Who said our postal service was slow! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halrae" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:17 AM Subject: CAPORALETTI Hi Listers, I am new to this list and would like to post my surname interest. Mr Great Grandfather was Jacama Caporalette born 1863 in Ancona, Italy. He was a fireman on board the Otway. He came to Fremantle in Western Australia when I don't know but was married in 1888. He had 13 children and they changed their name from Caporaletti to Caporalette and then to Cottrell. There are no other Caporaletti's in Australia and trying to track him down is very difficult. Any advice on where to look would be appreciated. I can't find him entering the country at all. Regards Alison --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 2002-22-Mar

Hi All ~ Just another quick reminder! >You are most welcome. There is still some room for more messages for the >special week. Little reminder, approx 40 words, include a >postal address, send to Julie by whatever date she said - sorry Julie, >forgot which day. http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ Example: One Name Study for name of ORLANDO, especially Sutera Sicily. ****Insert YOUR postal & Email address here**** Please can you send to me at [email protected] by 27th March 2002. Regards Julie Goucher, List Owner Anglers Rest Indexes http://freespace.virgin.net/ar.indexes Anglers Rest Home Page http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Index.htm C J http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections C J Genealogy http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Index.htm Fax & Voice Mail (+44) 0870 130 5474 One Name Study ORLANDO GOONS Registered --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 2002-22-Mar

Hello all, Just joined this list and am hoping that sks's out there may also be searching for the illusive Spelzini family or have some further info on them that might help me get around my current brickwall. To date we know that John Spelzini was a barometer maker in Leather Lane, Holborn in 1840 and had 7 children (4 boys who all stayed in the same trade). He may also have had a brother called Joseph although I'm having trouble finding anything that links the two of them together. The 1846 trade directory shows that he was using 81 Leather Lane as a workshop but seems to disappear after that. (He was still making barometers until 1865 but not sure where from). As this area of London was used by several Italian barometer makers I'm hoping he may have shared a premises with somebody else. Any help you can give may help me go back to sleeping normally at nights and stop me dreaming about Italians!!! Debra

I'm posting here on behalf of my wife, who's the one with the Italian ancestors, since I've never been able to persuade her to use any of the many computers I've used over the past 20+ years. Her mother, Leonora RISPOLI, was born in Standard Street, New Kent Road in South London, in 1908. Her father Andrea (he later used the name Andrew), described himself at that time as a 'Fritterer (market)'. In later years, he had a greengrocers' shop in Deptford. Leonora's mother was Andoria RISPOLI, formerly MANZI. We believe that the family came from Amalfi, and probably not too long before the birth of Leonora. We are keen to find out more about where they came from, and seeking information from the PRO regarding naturalisation might be the best way to go. We are not at all certain that Leonora's parents were ever naturalized, certainly her father was dead when Leonora married my wife's father in 1929, and, due to the cultural and religious differences between the families of bride and bridegroom, relations between them were apparently always rather 'distant'. However, some contacts were retained, and my wife's father told me a fascinating story of how he attended the funeral of one of his Italian relatives - it might have been a RISPOLI, a MANZI, or an AVITABLE. The wake took place in the small living room above the greengrocer's shop in Deptford. All the family were present, including the deceased, and elderly gentleman who stood, fully dressed in his Sunday best black suit and black hat, in his coffin, which was propped in one corner. Apparently, he stood there as though he was just about to take a walk to his own funeral. To me, all this sounds very south Italian - Sicilian almost. I suppose that Amalfi is fairly far south though. We'd be very happy to contact anyone researching these same families, particularly here in the UK, and, of course, for any suggestions for getting some leads into Italy. Best wishes,-- Roy Dent EoLFHS #7549

Copied from the LONDON List >Hi Listers > >Monkey business found whilst looking for something else in the >Times: > >Stromboli, John, for Assault >Tuesday September 13, 1870 >Page 9, column e > >AT MARYLEBONE, JOHN STROMBOLI, 24, an Italian monkey-leader, was >brought before Mr D'Eyncourt charged with assaulting Mrs Smith, >residing at No. 21 Desborough Place. The prosecutrix said she was >passing Paddington Green, about 10 o'clock at night, when the >prisoner came up, said something she could not understand and >snatched a purse from her hand. She struggled to keep her purse, >and he said he would set his monkey on her and it would eat her. > Shewas frightened and ran into a shop for protection. James >Madkins,23 X, took the prisoner into custody. The prisoner was >sentenced to be imprisoned for two months hard labour. > > >Cheerio Stella in Deepest Beds >new website: St Albans >http://www.stella.watkin.ukgateway.net/stalbans >Luton Comes Alive >http://www.stella.watkin.ukgateway.net/ -- Cheers, Roy Dent EoLFHS #7549

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