In the search for my greatgrandmother and watching this list I am learning such a lot - thank you! On the note of Italians leaving Italy - can anyone comment on reasons or degree of emmigration from around Naples, especially to the USA (which was before the great migration of the early 1900's??). My ggrandmother said her family (don't know if siblings where included) left Italy to go to Philadelphia - didn't like it there (for whatever reason I don't know) then migrated to England, late 1850's and ggm was born on the ship going to UK. Don't know either how they could have afforded this. I'd be grateful for any comments or suggestions about what records may exist - are there arrival lists into England for the 1850's? Cheers, Diane

Hi I'm new to the list and am finding it very interesting. I have a book which contains details of Catholic Churches in London in 1926, not specifically aimed at Italians but I can give a list of church names if it helps; there were about 75 in total. I also have Volume 2 of the Watchmakers and Clockmakers of the World, it gives the following information (dates are working dates): ARNABOLDI, A. Buckingham 1869-77 There were five entries for ALBINO but the working dates were between 1840 and 1870, places were Cheltenham (2), Stratford-on-Avon, Stroud and Bourton, Glos. Susana --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/2002

Hi Diane Just read your mail, My Grandfather also told his children that he was sent to a Seminar to become a Priest and ran a way to sea. He told them this and many other things which unfortunatly I have found to be untrue during my research, so don,t take everything she said as true. I also find that our Parents remember things but in the wrong context, so I suggest you go on her Surname and the dates that you have and forget the rest until you can confirm it. My Grandfather always said that his Father was a General director for a Newspaper but it turns out that he was a Policeman and all the tales of a Villa next to Lake Como turned out to be rented houses in Como Town. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY > Hello Listers, I signed up a few days ago and am delighted the lists > exists. I am hoping to break down my brick wall, however, I do realize it > may take time! I've been searching for 20 years for my great grandmother > and her family, so I have built up a degree of patience! > > > Great grandmother's maiden name has several variants according to her two > marriage certificates and the birth certs of her children. These > are,predominantly EROTTI and EROTY (which I'm told is probably the Hungarian > surname and that many Hungarians settled in Italy) Her marriages took > place in Plymouth, Devon (1876 & 1891 respectively) and all her children > were born in Devon. > > I cannot find any variant of her maiden name in Cenus records. She was born > 1856 - 1859 (again according to certificates and Census (after she married > her age changes). But, the big problem is she told her family she was born > at sea - on the way from Philadelphia to England. She said they were > Italian. She ran away from home when they wanted to put her in a convent. > How she got from London to Devon is a mystery also. > > Her story was that her parents left Italy and went to Philadelphia, didn't > like it there so went on to England. HOw long they stayed in US I don't > know! > > I would have thought her parents would have appeared in early Census records > i.e 1861 but I'm told searching the London fiche would take me forever. She > gave London as her place of birth in the 1881 Census down in Devon (she was > married by then so appears under her married surname GRIMES). > > I would greatly appreciate it if any one on the list can give me some > suggestions or comments. > > Cheers, Diane (Canada) > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have just been informed that my Italian Great-Grandfather Ferrie and his brother walked across Europe from Italy to England (well, I know they would have to take a boat for the channel crossing :-)). Would this have been a common way of emigration during the 1850s/1860s, or was it because they were too poor to afford the fare? Opinions welcome! A Williams [email protected]

Hello Ruth, thanks for the reality check! You are right of course, the only truth I've found to date in my ggrandmother's story is that the birth of her first child was never registered (1876). I'm still waiting for the publication of the elusive 1901 Census in the hope of finding the birthplace of her second husband. Another part of her story was that he was the father of her first child and the reason for her running away from home instead of going into a convent. If the Census gives his birthplace, and providing he hadn't moved away from there when he was dallying with ggrandmother, then I may be able to search for similar surnames to hers in that area. A long shot I know. Cheers, Diane -----Original Message----- From: Ruth [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 12:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY Hi Diane Just read your mail, My Grandfather also told his children that he was sent to a Seminar to become a Priest and ran a way to sea. He told them this and many other things which unfortunatly I have found to be untrue during my research, so don,t take everything she said as true. I also find that our Parents remember things but in the wrong context, so I suggest you go on her Surname and the dates that you have and forget the rest until you can confirm it. My Grandfather always said that his Father was a General director for a Newspaper but it turns out that he was a Policeman and all the tales of a Villa next to Lake Como turned out to be rented houses in Como Town. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY > Hello Listers, I signed up a few days ago and am delighted the lists > exists. I am hoping to break down my brick wall, however, I do realize it > may take time! I've been searching for 20 years for my great grandmother > and her family, so I have built up a degree of patience! > > > Great grandmother's maiden name has several variants according to her two > marriage certificates and the birth certs of her children. These > are,predominantly EROTTI and EROTY (which I'm told is probably the Hungarian > surname and that many Hungarians settled in Italy) Her marriages took > place in Plymouth, Devon (1876 & 1891 respectively) and all her children > were born in Devon. > > I cannot find any variant of her maiden name in Cenus records. She was born > 1856 - 1859 (again according to certificates and Census (after she married > her age changes). But, the big problem is she told her family she was born > at sea - on the way from Philadelphia to England. She said they were > Italian. She ran away from home when they wanted to put her in a convent. > How she got from London to Devon is a mystery also. > > Her story was that her parents left Italy and went to Philadelphia, didn't > like it there so went on to England. HOw long they stayed in US I don't > know! > > I would have thought her parents would have appeared in early Census records > i.e 1861 but I'm told searching the London fiche would take me forever. She > gave London as her place of birth in the 1881 Census down in Devon (she was > married by then so appears under her married surname GRIMES). > > I would greatly appreciate it if any one on the list can give me some > suggestions or comments. > > Cheers, Diane (Canada) > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

My English (Yorkshire) grandfather went out to South America in early 1900s and met my Italian grandmother. They married in Bolivia. She went out there when she was 12, in 1906, her father being a mining engineer who had worked at the mines in Sardinia. Apparently, the La Placa family were originally from Naples, went to Bologna and then Sardinia in 1895. From Sardinia, rumor has it that Enrico La Placa was transferred to the mines of Bolivia (Huanchaca, Pulacayo, San Jose) through a French and/or Belgian mining consortium. They embarked on the ship at La Rochelle in France. If anyone has information on Anglo-British overseas, migration of Italians to the west coast of South America, particularly from the port of La Rochelle (routes, ships, etc), I would be most interested. Regards, Margie Peters, Washington DC --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send greetings for Easter, Passover

Very helpful Susana - thank you. There was only one Arnaboldi in C1881, so this is another avenue I must explore. It is interesting that in the 1880's I have found opticians (my people), you have found clock makers and I have found thermometer manufacturers in New York. Thus scientific instrument making was one of many areas of their skills. In America and Italy today, there are a number of academics in research into the Universe, so time and vision and space are all interlinked. Thank you for the info on Albino which I hope will be read by those researching GIOIA. Best wishes and thanks again from Brian Symonds, Bristol UK

Dear Bryan That was an extremely useful response - thanks very much. Someone told me that the Italians usually write their names as Surname first, and suggested I try looking for ALBINO, and you have done that for me ! I am pinning my hopes on the 1901 census, and I did actually manage to get in on the first day it was open and put in GIOIA and it came back with the message - there are no matches and you are timed out - and I could not get back into it to try for ALBINO - mutter mutter mutter.. >Nope there is no marriage cert. I have been through every quarter from the year 1900, (which was a bit soon as my grandmother was born in 1885!) right up until 1925, when she died, and there is no entry. That does not mean that they did not get married, only that the record did not appear in the GRO. However, ALL the five children are entered in the GRO correctly with GIOIA as the surname. Thanks very much indeed for taking the trouble to look up in the free bmd as well for me I really appreciate it. Have a great weekend Cheers from down-under Eunice

Dear Ruth Thanks for that information - I am completely stuck because I have no knowledge as to whether Albino GIOIA was born in Italy or in England. One of my mother's sister's told me that her father did not speak with an Italian accent, which seems to suggest he was at least brought up in England, but I have no information and no records, so I really am stuck with this, the Cardiff Vice Consul advised me that they had no records as they were lost in a fire. Cheers for now Eunice

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Hi Diane It's me again I found the name ERROTTI in the pagine bianchi in NAples Carmela,Rosalia,and Stefano ERROTTI all live at C Umberto 5 Caivano Napoli their phone number is 0818301979 According to the Cognome distribution ERROTTI is found only in that region\ Felicia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY > Thank you Felicia, I did find one entry for EROTY on the Ellis Island site > some months back - checked in to it again and found the others. Do you have > any idea if there are records which tell where the passenger may have gone > to from Ellis Island? > > Thanks for your help, Cheers, Diane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felicia Cocking [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY > > > Hi > What a puzzle > Erotti is not a very common name. I looked it up in the Ellis Island site > and there are only 2 you might start with that unless you have already done > so > good luck > Felicia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:30 AM > Subject: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY > > > > Hello Listers, I signed up a few days ago and am delighted the lists > > exists. I am hoping to break down my brick wall, however, I do realize it > > may take time! I've been searching for 20 years for my great grandmother > > and her family, so I have built up a degree of patience! > > > > > > Great grandmother's maiden name has several variants according to her two > > marriage certificates and the birth certs of her children. These > > are,predominantly EROTTI and EROTY (which I'm told is probably the > Hungarian > > surname and that many Hungarians settled in Italy) Her marriages took > > place in Plymouth, Devon (1876 & 1891 respectively) and all her children > > were born in Devon. > > > > I cannot find any variant of her maiden name in Cenus records. She was > born > > 1856 - 1859 (again according to certificates and Census (after she married > > her age changes). But, the big problem is she told her family she was > born > > at sea - on the way from Philadelphia to England. She said they were > > Italian. She ran away from home when they wanted to put her in a convent. > > How she got from London to Devon is a mystery also. > > > > Her story was that her parents left Italy and went to Philadelphia, didn't > > like it there so went on to England. HOw long they stayed in US I don't > > know! > > > > I would have thought her parents would have appeared in early Census > records > > i.e 1861 but I'm told searching the London fiche would take me forever. > She > > gave London as her place of birth in the 1881 Census down in Devon (she > was > > married by then so appears under her married surname GRIMES). > > > > I would greatly appreciate it if any one on the list can give me some > > suggestions or comments. > > > > Cheers, Diane (Canada) > > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > > Italian Research > > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

hi again The documents are pretty hard to decipher but here is what I get Bartolomeo Erotti from Ferentella age 31 arrive MAy 16 1913 going to his cousin Francesco Erotti in NYC he left behind his wife Agnese Antonio Erotti from Gargnano age 32 arrived April 9th 1906 was going to a cousin Giuseppe Peccini in NYC Felicia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY > Hello Listers, I signed up a few days ago and am delighted the lists > exists. I am hoping to break down my brick wall, however, I do realize it > may take time! I've been searching for 20 years for my great grandmother > and her family, so I have built up a degree of patience! > > > Great grandmother's maiden name has several variants according to her two > marriage certificates and the birth certs of her children. These > are,predominantly EROTTI and EROTY (which I'm told is probably the Hungarian > surname and that many Hungarians settled in Italy) Her marriages took > place in Plymouth, Devon (1876 & 1891 respectively) and all her children > were born in Devon. > > I cannot find any variant of her maiden name in Cenus records. She was born > 1856 - 1859 (again according to certificates and Census (after she married > her age changes). But, the big problem is she told her family she was born > at sea - on the way from Philadelphia to England. She said they were > Italian. She ran away from home when they wanted to put her in a convent. > How she got from London to Devon is a mystery also. > > Her story was that her parents left Italy and went to Philadelphia, didn't > like it there so went on to England. HOw long they stayed in US I don't > know! > > I would have thought her parents would have appeared in early Census records > i.e 1861 but I'm told searching the London fiche would take me forever. She > gave London as her place of birth in the 1881 Census down in Devon (she was > married by then so appears under her married surname GRIMES). > > I would greatly appreciate it if any one on the list can give me some > suggestions or comments. > > Cheers, Diane (Canada) > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Whoops, sorry Ruth. I replied to your later email before I read this one, so please ignore my question and thanks for already answering it!. Elaine Hi Elaine, > I am afraid I have not much info. on the actual church or register but I do > know from the street directory for Penarth, Cardiff in 1910 that the > Catholic Church was St. Joseph's Catholic Church and the priest was Re. > Stephen L Rossetti, with a surname like this I am sure that there would have > been quiet a few Italians going to this Church. > Ruth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine Collins" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 8:58 PM > Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Italian churches and places of worship >

Thanks once again Felicia - A person from the 'other' Italian List alerted me to the same names and I'm happy to tell you that a friend of mine who is fluent in Italian drafted three letters for me to the names you mentioned below. They are already in the post with sae and I'm hoping for a reply! They all seem to live at the same address but wih different phone numbers. My Italian speaking friend also mentioned that the variant EROTY is Hungarian and that during some revoluntion in Hungary around the late 1840's, I think it was, many Hungarians migrated to the Naples Kingdom in Italy. I wonder if the Hungarian lot Italianized their names to EROTTI? Also, through Ancestry.com (and a subscription I didn't realise I was making!!!)& Familysearch.org I found Neil EROTY on a Census record - he was listed as an Iron Maker, single, and birthplace Ireland. I thought that this was a stretch, but who knows! I also found similar sounding surnames = James EROUGHTY - what a mine field I am in, eh! Another EROTY - James, G married a Caroline SPENCER in Michigan in 1847, aged 27. I found them in the 1850 Census in a nearby town and is shows he was born in New York. I need to find sks who has access to New York Census records - any clues? I mention all this to you, and obviously the list, hoping that someone can see something I can't and point out the clues. You know how it is when you look at something for so long, find another clue but none of it seems to belong. Thanks for your attention Felicia, and your help. Cheers, Diane -----Original Message----- From: Felicia Cocking [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 11:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY Hi Diane It's me again I found the name ERROTTI in the pagine bianchi in NAples Carmela,Rosalia,and Stefano ERROTTI all live at C Umberto 5 Caivano Napoli their phone number is 0818301979 According to the Cognome distribution ERROTTI is found only in that region\ Felicia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY > Thank you Felicia, I did find one entry for EROTY on the Ellis Island site > some months back - checked in to it again and found the others. Do you have > any idea if there are records which tell where the passenger may have gone > to from Ellis Island? > > Thanks for your help, Cheers, Diane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felicia Cocking [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY > > > Hi > What a puzzle > Erotti is not a very common name. I looked it up in the Ellis Island site > and there are only 2 you might start with that unless you have already done > so > good luck > Felicia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:30 AM > Subject: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY > > > > Hello Listers, I signed up a few days ago and am delighted the lists > > exists. I am hoping to break down my brick wall, however, I do realize it > > may take time! I've been searching for 20 years for my great grandmother > > and her family, so I have built up a degree of patience! > > > > > > Great grandmother's maiden name has several variants according to her two > > marriage certificates and the birth certs of her children. These > > are,predominantly EROTTI and EROTY (which I'm told is probably the > Hungarian > > surname and that many Hungarians settled in Italy) Her marriages took > > place in Plymouth, Devon (1876 & 1891 respectively) and all her children > > were born in Devon. > > > > I cannot find any variant of her maiden name in Cenus records. She was > born > > 1856 - 1859 (again according to certificates and Census (after she married > > her age changes). But, the big problem is she told her family she was > born > > at sea - on the way from Philadelphia to England. She said they were > > Italian. She ran away from home when they wanted to put her in a convent. > > How she got from London to Devon is a mystery also. > > > > Her story was that her parents left Italy and went to Philadelphia, didn't > > like it there so went on to England. HOw long they stayed in US I don't > > know! > > > > I would have thought her parents would have appeared in early Census > records > > i.e 1861 but I'm told searching the London fiche would take me forever. > She > > gave London as her place of birth in the 1881 Census down in Devon (she > was > > married by then so appears under her married surname GRIMES). > > > > I would greatly appreciate it if any one on the list can give me some > > suggestions or comments. > > > > Cheers, Diane (Canada) > > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > > Italian Research > > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== Italian Research http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Eunice and Ruth, thanks for this info. Do either of you know which church your family were married in or where they baptised their children? It would be great o have the address of the consulate, I will make a note about the limitations in their records. Thanks, Elaine > Eunice, > My Grandfather also lived in the Cardiff area when he came from Italy and I > have done some research as to what is available. In GRO at Cardiff they have > a certain amount of information about the correspondance for the Italian > Embassy, unfortunatly it cannot be looked up, but they will do a search > themselves for a small fee. I suggest that if you really want to find > something you write to them. In the end I got my Grandfathers Naturalization > papers from PRO in London so if you have a date of arrival in the UK I > suggest you try that rather than the Cardiff Gro. > Ruth > From: "E & R Shanahan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Italian churches and places of worship > > >> Hello Listers >> I am a new member to this and will post my interests later >> In answer to this part of the posting:- >> >>> I can't seem to find anything for Wales. Surely Cardiff, Swansea etc had >> Italian communities?> >> >> Yes they certainly did, and in the 1881 census there is an entry for >> Ludovico GIOJA (sic) who was the Italian vice-consul for Wales, and I >> have written to them (they still have the consulate there), as I am trying >> to trace my Grandfather Albino Flavio GIOIA - so if you need the address >> I can give it to you >> I also understand that there is a flourishing Italian community in >> Birmingham. >> all the best >> Eunice Shanahan in Queensland Australia >> >> >> ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== >> Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History >> At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at >> http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History > At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks for your thanks. Something else I found useful for my Arnaboldi, was family search.org where you will find a considerable number of GIOIA's. The Italian section is very useful as it tells you were ancestors with the same name were born up to 150 years ago (helps to research where I might have come from) and I am sure you know of the site which will tell you all about the people in Italy with the same name today - including their addresses and phone numbers. Incidentally, I did look at the Albino first names, to see if there was a father who had given his christian name to his son, but I drew a blank. Happy hunting. The birth cert for the eldest child is clearly a must have. Best wishes. Brian.

Hi What a puzzle Erotti is not a very common name. I looked it up in the Ellis Island site and there are only 2 you might start with that unless you have already done so good luck Felicia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY > Hello Listers, I signed up a few days ago and am delighted the lists > exists. I am hoping to break down my brick wall, however, I do realize it > may take time! I've been searching for 20 years for my great grandmother > and her family, so I have built up a degree of patience! > > > Great grandmother's maiden name has several variants according to her two > marriage certificates and the birth certs of her children. These > are,predominantly EROTTI and EROTY (which I'm told is probably the Hungarian > surname and that many Hungarians settled in Italy) Her marriages took > place in Plymouth, Devon (1876 & 1891 respectively) and all her children > were born in Devon. > > I cannot find any variant of her maiden name in Cenus records. She was born > 1856 - 1859 (again according to certificates and Census (after she married > her age changes). But, the big problem is she told her family she was born > at sea - on the way from Philadelphia to England. She said they were > Italian. She ran away from home when they wanted to put her in a convent. > How she got from London to Devon is a mystery also. > > Her story was that her parents left Italy and went to Philadelphia, didn't > like it there so went on to England. HOw long they stayed in US I don't > know! > > I would have thought her parents would have appeared in early Census records > i.e 1861 but I'm told searching the London fiche would take me forever. She > gave London as her place of birth in the 1881 Census down in Devon (she was > married by then so appears under her married surname GRIMES). > > I would greatly appreciate it if any one on the list can give me some > suggestions or comments. > > Cheers, Diane (Canada) > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: The Bayleys To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Galliers interest from NZ Hi Juile Thanks for your email and interest, this is what I have so far, only information from an elderly Aunt Great Grandfather William Hilton GALLIERS born ? married Florence BENNETT 1904? Paddington, I think I've found the marriage year and qtr to be correct and have just sent off for their marriage certificate and hope to have more info Grandmother Annie Marie GALLIERS born 1911 ( married Fred Nardoni 1930) London older siblings George, born ? married Nancy ? William married Kathleen ? Florence married William Rose ? Annie Marie (known as Ann or Nan) two younger ones twins Thomas married Mary ? Elsie married Albert Batt ? Jane found in her 1881 records a W.H GALLIERS at 96 St Marks rd W10 and 66 Ashbrook rd Up.Holloway love to hear from you either way. kind regards Christina

Thank you Felicia, I did find one entry for EROTY on the Ellis Island site some months back - checked in to it again and found the others. Do you have any idea if there are records which tell where the passenger may have gone to from Ellis Island? Thanks for your help, Cheers, Diane -----Original Message----- From: Felicia Cocking [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY Hi What a puzzle Erotti is not a very common name. I looked it up in the Ellis Island site and there are only 2 you might start with that unless you have already done so good luck Felicia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] ERROTTI / EROTY > Hello Listers, I signed up a few days ago and am delighted the lists > exists. I am hoping to break down my brick wall, however, I do realize it > may take time! I've been searching for 20 years for my great grandmother > and her family, so I have built up a degree of patience! > > > Great grandmother's maiden name has several variants according to her two > marriage certificates and the birth certs of her children. These > are,predominantly EROTTI and EROTY (which I'm told is probably the Hungarian > surname and that many Hungarians settled in Italy) Her marriages took > place in Plymouth, Devon (1876 & 1891 respectively) and all her children > were born in Devon. > > I cannot find any variant of her maiden name in Cenus records. She was born > 1856 - 1859 (again according to certificates and Census (after she married > her age changes). But, the big problem is she told her family she was born > at sea - on the way from Philadelphia to England. She said they were > Italian. She ran away from home when they wanted to put her in a convent. > How she got from London to Devon is a mystery also. > > Her story was that her parents left Italy and went to Philadelphia, didn't > like it there so went on to England. HOw long they stayed in US I don't > know! > > I would have thought her parents would have appeared in early Census records > i.e 1861 but I'm told searching the London fiche would take me forever. She > gave London as her place of birth in the 1881 Census down in Devon (she was > married by then so appears under her married surname GRIMES). > > I would greatly appreciate it if any one on the list can give me some > suggestions or comments. > > Cheers, Diane (Canada) > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== Italian Research http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Eunice, My Grandfather also lived in the Cardiff area when he came from Italy and I have done some research as to what is available. In GRO at Cardiff they have a certain amount of information about the correspondance for the Italian Embassy, unfortunatly it cannot be looked up, but they will do a search themselves for a small fee. I suggest that if you really want to find something you write to them. In the end I got my Grandfathers Naturalization papers from PRO in London so if you have a date of arrival in the UK I suggest you try that rather than the Cardiff Gro. Ruth From: "E & R Shanahan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Italian churches and places of worship > Hello Listers > I am a new member to this and will post my interests later > In answer to this part of the posting:- > > >I can't seem to find anything for Wales. Surely Cardiff, Swansea etc had > Italian communities?> > > Yes they certainly did, and in the 1881 census there is an entry for > Ludovico GIOJA (sic) who was the Italian vice-consul for Wales, and I > have written to them (they still have the consulate there), as I am trying > to trace my Grandfather Albino Flavio GIOIA - so if you need the address > I can give it to you > I also understand that there is a flourishing Italian community in > Birmingham. > all the best > Eunice Shanahan in Queensland Australia > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History > At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >