Thanks for that. Unfortunately, I don't have much information, but I understand that it was in the Liverpool L3 area. Aileen

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Hi All, I have had an email from a new list member (welcome!!) asking for some clarification about the list and the AIFHS. The Inaugural meeting is on Sat 4th May 2002, see the web page for details http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm For the next few days or so, Carol the list deputy will be dealing with the list admin, and can be reached at [email protected] This list will remain FREE, as Rootsweb do not charge for any of the mailing lists. The Membership fee is for the Anglo-Italian Family History Society, which is completely separate from this list. It is NOT obligatory for members of this list to join the Society, (but we hope you do!!) and it is NOT obligatory for members of the Society to join this list, (but again, we hope we do!!). Why Pay for a Society? The Membership for the Society is, as stated on the application form. The Society will be producing a newsletter/Journal, we are also intending to be actively transcribing records, which will eventually lead to publications for sale. The AIFHS is going to be a NEW Society, we are hoping that it will offer, in time everything that we have to expect from a Family History Society, but this will take time, resources and will need volunteers. We will also be producing a newsletter/journal (Quarterly, July, October, January & April), which we hope we can turn into a more substantial Journal after about a year. There are two methods of receiving the newsletter/journal, 1. Via email 2. Via post Whichever is your preference, and this can be indicated on the Membership form and can be amended at renewal. So ANY material that can be included in a Newsletter will be very welcome and can be sent to me as an attachment (please let me know) to [email protected] The membership will include people from all walks of life, regardless of where you live, so even those members who live outside of the UK can take an active role in the Society. We also welcome members who do not have a computer or access to the Internet. I hope that clarifies things, and thanks for all the support. Regards Julie Goucher, List Owner Anglers Rest Indexes http://freespace.virgin.net/ar.indexes Anglers Rest Home Page http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Index.htm C J http://freespace.virgin.net/genealogical.collections C J Genealogy http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Index.htm FreeCEN Surrey 1891 http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/freecen.htm Fax & Voice Mail (+44) 0870 130 5474 One Name Study ORLANDO GOONS Registered --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 2002-19-Apr

I am searching for the name AGGGIO; found on the 1881 census in Gateshead; (but recorded as Aggis) Guiseppie Giovanni and family. I have information from the 1860s to present day but would like to have place and date of birth plus parents; "Yesterdays' strangers are tomorows friends". Annie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release Date: 6/03/02

I managed to get my Grandfathers Naturalization records from Pro. I must admitt I had expected to find more family info on the full record. The only family connections mentioned was his Mother and Fathers Names/Surnames and that his only brother had gone to South America. The information in the records is mainly based on the time since they arrive in the UK and their jobs and where they have lived before asking for Nationality. So I am sorry to say you may not find much of what you need. I am still trying to find where his brother went to as my hope was pinned on finding an area for where he went to live and South America is a big place and although I have searched through many countries my Desio relatives sti are still a mystery to me. Anyone got any suggestions. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Fw: Bettua - Bagnoli > Thank you for your responses. > > I have one more check to do at the PRO before venturing down this route. > > My main moral dilemma is my Grandfather who has shown his unease at my > interest in the family. I love him dearly and would not want to hurt him, > however he has, godwilling, got many years left and I do not want to just > drop this research. > > If I can find naturalisation papers for them I hope to be able to unlock some > details which will help me further. > > > Simone (researching Vermiglio and Fiorese) > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Another book to add to the ones Diane mentions below is: Italian Immigrants in Nineteenth Century Britain: Realities and Images by Lucio Sponza, Leicester University Press, 1988. (It's out of print but I got my copy second-hand off the internet.) "The major theme of this volume is the history of the [immigrants'] adaptation to, and conflict with, the host society. The immigrants' social and regional origin is analysed, and emphasis laid on the relationship between the changing attitudes towards them (especially towards those who settled in the 'Italian Quarter' of London) and the immigrants' response..." I haven't read Terri Colpi's The Italian Factor, but I've got her Italian's Forward. Lucio Sponza concludes that the Italian emigrants to Britain didn't emerge as a "cohesive and socially conscious community" But then his book ends its analysis at the start of WW1. Terry Colpi concludes in Chapter 10 that "the future of the Italian Community in Britain, which numbers at least 250,000 people [in 1992], is bright." Rod Cassino: Melaragni, Persechini, Lanna/Lanni, D'Agostino. Settesorelle di Vernasca: Dadomo. Tomassio? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [Anglo-Italian] EROTTI/EROTY > Forgive me if I'm repeating myself - I do this these days. It's called 'a > senior moment'! > > Many thanks for your advice. I will endeavour to obtain the Clerkenwell > fiche as a starting point. Also thanks for the book titles. They will > prove interesting I'm sure. Cheers, Diane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daphne Dashfield [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] EROTTI/EROTY > > > Hello Diane > > > An 1861 London census would be a good starting point, or so I thought, > until > > someone suggested it would take me 2 years to search the fiche, since I > > don't know what area they may have lived in London. > > You could try Clerkenwell since most Italians lived there at that time. > > > Would you mind giving the full title of the book & author you have > suggested > > please? > > The Italian Factor : The Italian Community in Great Britain. Terri Colpi. > 1991. Mainstream, Edinburgh. > > For photographs: > > Italians Forwards : A Visual History of the Italian Community in Great > Britain. Terri Colpi. 1991. Mainstream, Edinburgh. > > Daphne Dashfield (Geradine) > GHIRARDANI etc. > >

Thank you for your responses. I have one more check to do at the PRO before venturing down this route. My main moral dilemma is my Grandfather who has shown his unease at my interest in the family. I love him dearly and would not want to hurt him, however he has, godwilling, got many years left and I do not want to just drop this research. If I can find naturalisation papers for them I hope to be able to unlock some details which will help me further. Simone (researching Vermiglio and Fiorese)

I had the same experience of writing to LOADS of people and only receiving a few kind replies. None of which were promising I might add! Hope that others have had better luck Sarah Lucia RAPETTI researching RAPETTI & MEANI

Hello Simone, I have to agree with Ruth, send the letters. However, this does highlight a dilemma we genealogists and family historians face. As far as I know, there are no hard and fast rules about what to do and what not to do when it comes to 'sensitive' information, both of the substantiated kind i.e., through documents etc., and the unsubstantiated kind i.e., family oral stories. But, I do believe we have to consider ethics and morals. For instance, in my own family, I have found an elderly cousin of my Mother. By chance we visited him after learning about his 'still' existence when exploring the local churchyard for graves. A 'busy bee' was underway by some of the parishioners, they told us about Mum's cousin and we subsequently visited. This was an experience I will never forget, so poignant and heartwarming to see these two elderly cousins recognize each other and then exchange stories. I later returned to interview the 'refound' cousin. By then I knew all about his family through documents and of course Mother's stories. I had found out his own mother was illegitimate and that there was some query about what name she and her Mother had used. I carefully questioned 'refound' cousin about his Mother and her Mother (his grandmother with whom he had quite a bit to do with), without revealing what I knew. I decided that it would not be moral of me to produce his Mother's birth certificate and point out that the surname he had for her was not correct. I also thought it would not be within the ethics of any family historian to deliberately reveal information when, after careful questioning, it was obvious he would have been distressed at what I could have revealed. Besides, I had the distinct feeling he knew anyway, but, given his lifestyle and his gentlemanly English ways, the whole issue was simply not an issue. But, and there's always a but, eh! I have stories and documents about others in the family who are two generations back. I have revealed the information to my cousins and others in the family and we feel that the events happened far enough back in time and no living relative is directly involved. We, therefore, see it as adding interest to the family story. This is a long winded response Simone and Ruth, but it does illustrate that I have drawn some lines to guide me. On a more official note, as an archivist, I am aware that Legislation is being 'formed', discussed and disected in some countries/states/counties/provinces etc., which focusses on private records/archives. It is a 'minefield' to put it mildly. How far can a government go I ask! I don't want to really use this List as a forum for this side of things. Thank you for bearing with me in this message and I would be interested to know how others manage sensitive information, either documented or otherwise? In the meantime Simone, go for it! Cheers, Diane -----Original Message----- From: Ruth [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Fw: Bettua - Bagnoli Simone, Go ahead and send the letters. The only thing that can happen is that they don't reply but what if they do? Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Fw: Bettua - Bagnoli > Re writing to Italy. > I also have composed a letter but haven't yet sent it. > My Great Grandparents allegedly eloped to this country, I have since been > told that this would have brought great shame on their families and I am > concerned that I will be bringing up a past piece of history that would cause > bad feelings even after this amount of time. > > Simone > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History > At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Message forwarded by Deputy List Owner - please do not reply to me. Regards, Carol, (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WE’LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ http://freespace.virgin.net/tt.indexes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: Felicia Cocking <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 30 April, 2002 03:31 Subject: rapacioli Hi I need help clearing up a mystery. I have a birth certificate for an Adelaide Rapacioli born March 6th 1893 at 24 Great Queen street.London Saint Giles district. Her father was Giovanni Rapacioli and her mother Louise Guainazzi. An Adelaide( who was a distant cousin) with the same date of birth also born in England is reported on the 1920 New York census. But her father appears as Ernest Loring and her mother as Louise Smith. I know members of my family changed their name when they came to America at the turn of the century. Can someone look this family up in a census record/ Thanks Felicia (Montreal CAnada)

At 10:10 29/04/2002 -0700, Diane Webb wrote: >With regards to writing to Italy. I too have written, through an Italian >friend who composed the letter for me in Italian. However, she did say >that most Italians probably would not reply. Her reason being that she >believes they may be suspicious of people enquiry into their families, and >that Italians are usually reticent on these matters. None-the-less, it >won't stop us trying but I was wondering if any one else thought along the >same lines as my Italian friend. Is this the Italian way? > >Cheers, Diane Hello, I do agree with that. I have written to 20 people having the same name than my ancestors and who live in the same area where he did. Only one answered saying he had no link. For the others, I am in complete agreement ith you. People to who you write can think you are looking for heritage, , inheritance and so on. I have been said that in Italy most of the people are not so interesrted in genealogy. The case would certainly be completely different if it were your parents or grand parents who left Italy since in this case you could have still cousins or close relatives. Pierre Marie

Simone, Go ahead and send the letters. The only thing that can happen is that they don't reply but what if they do? Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Fw: Bettua - Bagnoli > Re writing to Italy. > I also have composed a letter but haven't yet sent it. > My Great Grandparents allegedly eloped to this country, I have since been > told that this would have brought great shame on their families and I am > concerned that I will be bringing up a past piece of history that would cause > bad feelings even after this amount of time. > > Simone > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History > At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I wrote over 60 letters to people in Italy with the same Surname, and recived only 12 replys. Some were kind enough to give me their family info. others just said that they were not part of my family. So don't expect a miracle unless they see something that looks to be part of their own family they probably won't write back. If they don't reply then except this as a NO reguarding any family relationship. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: RE: [Anglo-Italian] Fw: Bettua - Bagnoli > With regards to writing to Italy. I too have written, through an Italian > friend who composed the letter for me in Italian. However, she did say that > most Italians probably would not reply. Her reason being that she believes > they may be suspicious of people enquiry into their families, and that > Italians are usually reticent on these matters. None-the-less, it won't > stop us trying but I was wondering if any one else thought along the same > lines as my Italian friend. Is this the Italian way? > > Cheers, Diane > > -----Original Message----- > From: List Admin [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Fw: Bettua - Bagnoli > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:13 AM > Subject: Bettua - Bagnoli > > > Is anyone researching this line? I've written to three families in this > village (addresses from international phone book) in English and Italian to > see if they would like to share family information (no reply, yet). > I have yet to do more local research but wondered if the name is familiar to > anyone on the list. > > Name: Anthony BETTUA > Birth: Italy > Spouse: Conetta (Mary?) LABIENBO > Birth: Italy > > Children: > ---------------------------------------- > 1 M: Vincent (Vincenzo) "Jimmy" BETTUA > Birth: 7 Dec 1879 Bagnoli, Irpino, Avelino, Italy > Birth Memo: near Naples (or Dec 24) > Death: 5 Oct 1961 St Andrews Home, New Haven, CT Age: 81 > Spouse: Amy "Annie" Oliva LENDHOLM > Marriage: abt 1906 > Spouse: Mildred Viola HOLCOMB > Marriage: abt 1925 > ---------------------------------------- > 2 M: John B. BETTUA > Birth: 29 Sep 1893 Bagnoli, Irpino, Avelino, Italy > Death: 10 Jul 1978 Bristol, Hartford, CT1 Age: 84 > Spouse: Pauline (Palma) SUSCA > ---------------------------------------- > 3 M: Giovanni BETTUA > > Notes for Vincent (Vincenzo) "Jimmy" (Child 1) > 21901 to Bristol from Bridgeport > 34 Nov 1901 arr Ellis Island from Genoa, Liguria, Italy, age 22, single, > Ship: Trave. $14 no English visit Uncle Lorenzo Conte > > Notes for John B. (Child 2) > 047-26-3466 H J Mills, Inc, 149 Church St, Bristol4 > 17 Aug 1951 @ 65 Wolcott St, Bristol, Hartford, CT > > Notes for Giovanni (Child 3) > 5died young > > Sources > 1. "Social Security," 3 Apr 1900, CD. > 2. Waterbury Republican, Waterbury, CT, 16 May 1965. > 3. "Ellis Island." > 4. copy of SSN application > 5. "Family Interview," Vin & Gerry Bettua, Bruce Dunbar. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 2002-19-Apr > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > NEW One Name Study ORLANDO > All material gratefully received > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > NEW One Name Study ORLANDO > All material gratefully received > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

That sounds a fair comment Ruth, Thanks for the reply. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Ruth [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Fw: Bettua - Bagnoli I wrote over 60 letters to people in Italy with the same Surname, and recived only 12 replys. Some were kind enough to give me their family info. others just said that they were not part of my family. So don't expect a miracle unless they see something that looks to be part of their own family they probably won't write back. If they don't reply then except this as a NO reguarding any family relationship. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: RE: [Anglo-Italian] Fw: Bettua - Bagnoli > With regards to writing to Italy. I too have written, through an Italian > friend who composed the letter for me in Italian. However, she did say that > most Italians probably would not reply. Her reason being that she believes > they may be suspicious of people enquiry into their families, and that > Italians are usually reticent on these matters. None-the-less, it won't > stop us trying but I was wondering if any one else thought along the same > lines as my Italian friend. Is this the Italian way? > > Cheers, Diane > > -----Original Message----- > From: List Admin [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Fw: Bettua - Bagnoli > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:13 AM > Subject: Bettua - Bagnoli > > > Is anyone researching this line? I've written to three families in this > village (addresses from international phone book) in English and Italian to > see if they would like to share family information (no reply, yet). > I have yet to do more local research but wondered if the name is familiar to > anyone on the list. > > Name: Anthony BETTUA > Birth: Italy > Spouse: Conetta (Mary?) LABIENBO > Birth: Italy > > Children: > ---------------------------------------- > 1 M: Vincent (Vincenzo) "Jimmy" BETTUA > Birth: 7 Dec 1879 Bagnoli, Irpino, Avelino, Italy > Birth Memo: near Naples (or Dec 24) > Death: 5 Oct 1961 St Andrews Home, New Haven, CT Age: 81 > Spouse: Amy "Annie" Oliva LENDHOLM > Marriage: abt 1906 > Spouse: Mildred Viola HOLCOMB > Marriage: abt 1925 > ---------------------------------------- > 2 M: John B. BETTUA > Birth: 29 Sep 1893 Bagnoli, Irpino, Avelino, Italy > Death: 10 Jul 1978 Bristol, Hartford, CT1 Age: 84 > Spouse: Pauline (Palma) SUSCA > ---------------------------------------- > 3 M: Giovanni BETTUA > > Notes for Vincent (Vincenzo) "Jimmy" (Child 1) > 21901 to Bristol from Bridgeport > 34 Nov 1901 arr Ellis Island from Genoa, Liguria, Italy, age 22, single, > Ship: Trave. $14 no English visit Uncle Lorenzo Conte > > Notes for John B. (Child 2) > 047-26-3466 H J Mills, Inc, 149 Church St, Bristol4 > 17 Aug 1951 @ 65 Wolcott St, Bristol, Hartford, CT > > Notes for Giovanni (Child 3) > 5died young > > Sources > 1. "Social Security," 3 Apr 1900, CD. > 2. Waterbury Republican, Waterbury, CT, 16 May 1965. > 3. "Ellis Island." > 4. copy of SSN application > 5. "Family Interview," Vin & Gerry Bettua, Bruce Dunbar. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 2002-19-Apr > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > NEW One Name Study ORLANDO > All material gratefully received > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > NEW One Name Study ORLANDO > All material gratefully received > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== Italian Research http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Re writing to Italy. I also have composed a letter but haven't yet sent it. My Great Grandparents allegedly eloped to this country, I have since been told that this would have brought great shame on their families and I am concerned that I will be bringing up a past piece of history that would cause bad feelings even after this amount of time. Simone

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:13 AM Subject: Bettua - Bagnoli Is anyone researching this line? I've written to three families in this village (addresses from international phone book) in English and Italian to see if they would like to share family information (no reply, yet). I have yet to do more local research but wondered if the name is familiar to anyone on the list. Name: Anthony BETTUA Birth: Italy Spouse: Conetta (Mary?) LABIENBO Birth: Italy Children: ---------------------------------------- 1 M: Vincent (Vincenzo) "Jimmy" BETTUA Birth: 7 Dec 1879 Bagnoli, Irpino, Avelino, Italy Birth Memo: near Naples (or Dec 24) Death: 5 Oct 1961 St Andrews Home, New Haven, CT Age: 81 Spouse: Amy "Annie" Oliva LENDHOLM Marriage: abt 1906 Spouse: Mildred Viola HOLCOMB Marriage: abt 1925 ---------------------------------------- 2 M: John B. BETTUA Birth: 29 Sep 1893 Bagnoli, Irpino, Avelino, Italy Death: 10 Jul 1978 Bristol, Hartford, CT1 Age: 84 Spouse: Pauline (Palma) SUSCA ---------------------------------------- 3 M: Giovanni BETTUA Notes for Vincent (Vincenzo) "Jimmy" (Child 1) 21901 to Bristol from Bridgeport 34 Nov 1901 arr Ellis Island from Genoa, Liguria, Italy, age 22, single, Ship: Trave. $14 no English visit Uncle Lorenzo Conte Notes for John B. (Child 2) 047-26-3466 H J Mills, Inc, 149 Church St, Bristol4 17 Aug 1951 @ 65 Wolcott St, Bristol, Hartford, CT Notes for Giovanni (Child 3) 5died young Sources 1. "Social Security," 3 Apr 1900, CD. 2. Waterbury Republican, Waterbury, CT, 16 May 1965. 3. "Ellis Island." 4. copy of SSN application 5. "Family Interview," Vin & Gerry Bettua, Bruce Dunbar. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 2002-19-Apr

Forgive me if I'm repeating myself - I do this these days. It's called 'a senior moment'! Many thanks for your advice. I will endeavour to obtain the Clerkenwell fiche as a starting point. Also thanks for the book titles. They will prove interesting I'm sure. Cheers, Diane -----Original Message----- From: Daphne Dashfield [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] EROTTI/EROTY Hello Diane > An 1861 London census would be a good starting point, or so I thought, until > someone suggested it would take me 2 years to search the fiche, since I > don't know what area they may have lived in London. You could try Clerkenwell since most Italians lived there at that time. > Would you mind giving the full title of the book & author you have suggested > please? The Italian Factor : The Italian Community in Great Britain. Terri Colpi. 1991. Mainstream, Edinburgh. For photographs: Italians Forwards : A Visual History of the Italian Community in Great Britain. Terri Colpi. 1991. Mainstream, Edinburgh. Daphne Dashfield (Geradine) GHIRARDANI etc. ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== Italian Research http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

With regards to writing to Italy. I too have written, through an Italian friend who composed the letter for me in Italian. However, she did say that most Italians probably would not reply. Her reason being that she believes they may be suspicious of people enquiry into their families, and that Italians are usually reticent on these matters. None-the-less, it won't stop us trying but I was wondering if any one else thought along the same lines as my Italian friend. Is this the Italian way? Cheers, Diane -----Original Message----- From: List Admin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Fw: Bettua - Bagnoli ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:13 AM Subject: Bettua - Bagnoli Is anyone researching this line? I've written to three families in this village (addresses from international phone book) in English and Italian to see if they would like to share family information (no reply, yet). I have yet to do more local research but wondered if the name is familiar to anyone on the list. Name: Anthony BETTUA Birth: Italy Spouse: Conetta (Mary?) LABIENBO Birth: Italy Children: ---------------------------------------- 1 M: Vincent (Vincenzo) "Jimmy" BETTUA Birth: 7 Dec 1879 Bagnoli, Irpino, Avelino, Italy Birth Memo: near Naples (or Dec 24) Death: 5 Oct 1961 St Andrews Home, New Haven, CT Age: 81 Spouse: Amy "Annie" Oliva LENDHOLM Marriage: abt 1906 Spouse: Mildred Viola HOLCOMB Marriage: abt 1925 ---------------------------------------- 2 M: John B. BETTUA Birth: 29 Sep 1893 Bagnoli, Irpino, Avelino, Italy Death: 10 Jul 1978 Bristol, Hartford, CT1 Age: 84 Spouse: Pauline (Palma) SUSCA ---------------------------------------- 3 M: Giovanni BETTUA Notes for Vincent (Vincenzo) "Jimmy" (Child 1) 21901 to Bristol from Bridgeport 34 Nov 1901 arr Ellis Island from Genoa, Liguria, Italy, age 22, single, Ship: Trave. $14 no English visit Uncle Lorenzo Conte Notes for John B. (Child 2) 047-26-3466 H J Mills, Inc, 149 Church St, Bristol4 17 Aug 1951 @ 65 Wolcott St, Bristol, Hartford, CT Notes for Giovanni (Child 3) 5died young Sources 1. "Social Security," 3 Apr 1900, CD. 2. Waterbury Republican, Waterbury, CT, 16 May 1965. 3. "Ellis Island." 4. copy of SSN application 5. "Family Interview," Vin & Gerry Bettua, Bruce Dunbar. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 2002-19-Apr ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== NEW One Name Study ORLANDO All material gratefully received [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

At 15:04 27/04/2002 -0400, Hille Cook wrote : >My Italian ancestor was my paternal grandmother's father, who died aged 38 >or so in 1918 as a result of mustard gas in WW1. So, born about 1880 - where? > >His family lived at somewhere apparently called Waterdawn (sic) Manor in >or around Purley, Surrey. The family came from Naples, possibly Casserta. > >He eloped with my greatgrandmother - Sarah Emilia ? (who's own mother >was Spanish) who was a maid and was disinherited by his family. My >Grandmother was taken as small child to visit her aunts - so, siblings >and descendants? > >He was subsequently known as Francis John Villas. We now think this may >have been because the Vicar who married them couldn't spell Villiers >(which doesn't sound Italian - perhaps someone could enlighten me?) I >initially thought it may have been an anglicisation. >. >Hille Cook Hello, I don't know but Villiers, if the name is correct, seems French... For the rest, I don't have any other explanation, Pierre Marie