I've checked the 1851 Kellys Directory 1851 and Post office 1851 Court and Trade Directory and have found nothing. When I get the other disc back I'll look on that one. Simone

At 05:52 06/05/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Hi > >I now have the Post Office/Trade Directorys for 1851 for London,Middlesex and >the Home Counties if anyone wants a look up done. > >Simone > > >==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== >Italian Research >http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm Would you be kind enough to check if there is any AVICH or AVICO ? with many thanks, Pierre Marie

Is anyone else interested in the BACCINO name? Mine are in Piemonte/Liguria. Su London

Hi Nona, Can you tell us anything about what part of the UK they lived in, or where and when they came from in Italy? It's always worth posting these details with names as people may not know the specific names but could perhaps help suggest places to look. good luck, Elaine > Citrus Punch > > Hello!! > I just wanted to submit my Italian surnames for the list to see. They are: > > Marketto Del(l)acca Calza Vietti Griglione Bellezza > > Bellessa Lucarelli Fpina Marietta Perrone Yantorno > > Any help would be appreciated!! Nona Lightner > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

MISSING! Please help our owner to find us! Dominick and Ralph FERRIE (FERRI), brothers, both missing and currently untraceable prior to 1872 from British records. If you come across either of these chaps during your researrch (presumed came to England between 1865 and 1870 and possibly from the Naples area) please let me know. Hopefully, before I go completely 'ga-ga' :-) A Williams [email protected]

Hi I now have the Post Office/Trade Directorys for 1851 for London,Middlesex and the Home Counties if anyone wants a look up done. Simone

Diane, I would be so grateful if you could check for Dominick or Ralph Ferrie or Ferri. Thanks A Williams [email protected]

Citrus Punch Hello!! I just wanted to submit my Italian surnames for the list to see. They are: Marketto Del(l)acca Calza Vietti Griglione Bellezza Bellessa Lucarelli Fpina Marietta Perrone Yantorno Any help would be appreciated!! Nona Lightner

I'd like to use the mailing list to thank many of the people who came to yesterday's informal inaugural meeting of newly formed Anglo-Italian Family History Society. There were twenty of us in attendance, with many other messages of support from people who couldn't make it for geographical reasons, or because of other commitments. It was great to hear the diversity of research interests and the enthusiasm for sharing our researches and endeavours to make life easier for those researching their Anglo Italian ancestors. We even had two people who found they were researching the same name! The Society is now up and running: its bank account has been opened and we have received a number of subscriptions. The steering committee (see below) is in the process of applying to become a registered charity, and it is inteded to join the Federation of Family History Societies when we have the requisite 40 members. The constitution is currently being finalised. The website is still under construction but can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukaifhg/index.html with a snappier URL to follow. There are two types of membership: £5 for internet membership, if you are willing to newsletters and communications emailed to you or £10 for postal membership. These fees allow two people to join at the same address. To receive a membership form, please email Stuart Goucher at [email protected] One point that was emphasised at the meeting was that the AIFHS is completely separate from this Anglo Italian mailing list, though because of the obvious overlap of interests, many people may choose to belong to both. However, the activities of the society will not run through this forum, though they may be publicised here to bring the society to the attention of new members of the list who might be interested in joining. This step is particularly necessary to ensure that members of the society who do not have email or internet access will receive the same benefits as those who do, in the form of the newsletters, whether delivered by email or post. As well as the newsletter, the Society aims to engage in the following activities: - At least two meetings per year, one to coincide with the SoG fair in May, and one in November, where there will be speakers and the opportunity to share research interests. - Coordination of transcription projects of relevant records, with a view to publication and helping other members. - The establishment of an Anglo-Italian family history research collection. Initially the books and other resources will be kept in the hands of members who are willing to perform look-ups, though longer terms the aim would be to have a collection available to be visited by members. Any donations welcome! - The identification of archives and records from other Italian societies and institutions to be transcribed or preserved. - The coordination of a database of surname interests. Other projects will be developed according to the interests and enthusiasm of contributing members, and there is an opportunity for anyone to become actively involved. If you would like further details of any aspect of the society please contact the chairman, on the address below. We have a truly international membership (reflected in the steering committee) and I hope many more subscribers to this list will feel it is worth joining the society to support our aims. Finally, thank you to the list owner, Julie Goucher, for allowing this much-needed fledgling society to grow out of this mailing list. I look forward to the two flourishing in parallel long into the future. Kind regards, Elaine Collins Chairman AIFHS [email protected] Steering committee (in place until elections, which will be held in May 2003): Vice chair: Julie Goucher Membership secretary: Stuart Goucher Treasurer: Janet Blunden Marketing and publicity: Carol of Treetops Transcriptions coordinator: Ruth Rowlands Lisison officer: Sarah Rapetti Surname database: Shaen Abdelnour There are still plenty of jobs to do, so why not volunteer to be take on a role on the committee or to contribute in some other way?

Diane: Can you browse the names CECE, RIOZZI and PARETTA? They may be in Liverpool, but I think most likely is Manchester/Lancashire. This is so nice. Thank you in advance. (even if there is nothing to find.) Sharon

reposting interest Name of NARDONI, Guiseppe Nardoni, believed to have been born 1868 Cassio Italy. (fathers name possible Franz) by 1907 was in London Thank The Bayley family

> Hello Listers, In an act of desperation, I'm asking if anyone on the list > can possibly see the name EROTTI as a corruption of MAROTTA, or vice versa! I think you have to think of handwriting interpretations (of the transcriber) when you look at census indexes as well as phonetic spelling (including using letter names as sounds) used by the census enumerator. I suppose "Um, EROTTI" could just become MAROTTE which could be mistranscribed as MAROTTA. However I can't see how "M" could be lost from MAROTTA. Unless they were thought to say Um, Ah-rowt-tah - except it would have to be A(y)ro(w)tte(e) to make Erotti (hope I got the vowels right). I can see how my family's name GHIRARDANI became GERADINE and even with a census transcription error and a poor enumerator, GLARINI ("e" replaced by "l by the transcriber) but "M" is a large letter not easily lost. EROTTI could become AROTE or even AYWROTEY?! Do you have any events such as baptism or marriage near 1881 to give possible addresses? That's how I found my gg grandfather and remaining family masquerading as a GLARINI in Bakers Row, Clerkenwell in the 1881 index . I've yet to view the film of the original census notebook which I suspect is GEARINI. I don't think that enumerator had a good ear for Italian names/spelling (I have another example of a relative in the same street) and I know my gg grandfather couldn't sign his name at my g grandfather's marriage in 1876 so he wouldn't be able to help much. At least some priests could spell! Is there a particular reason why it might be Marotta? I've lost track of where EROTTI came from now. Daphne Dashfield (Geradine) GHIRADANI + ~15 spelling variations

Hello Daphne, There are 2 EROTTI on the Ellis Island site Bertolomeo(probably Bartolomeo) from Ferentella arrived NYC May 16th 1913 Was going to his relatives (Francesco Erotti) 344 Oliver street left behind his wife Agnese Feruselli(sp?) Antonio Erotti from gargnano going to his cousin Giuseppe Piccini Felicia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daphne Dashfield" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] MAROTTA > > Hello Listers, In an act of desperation, I'm asking if anyone on the list > > can possibly see the name EROTTI as a corruption of MAROTTA, or vice versa! > > I think you have to think of handwriting interpretations (of the transcriber) when you look at census > indexes as well as phonetic spelling (including using letter names as sounds) used by the census > enumerator. > > I suppose "Um, EROTTI" could just become MAROTTE which could be mistranscribed as MAROTTA. > > However I can't see how "M" could be lost from MAROTTA. Unless they were thought to say Um, > Ah-rowt-tah - except it would have to be A(y)ro(w)tte(e) to make Erotti (hope I got the vowels right). > I can see how my family's name GHIRARDANI became GERADINE and even with a census transcription error > and a poor enumerator, GLARINI ("e" replaced by "l by the transcriber) but "M" is a large letter not > easily lost. EROTTI could become AROTE or even AYWROTEY?! > > Do you have any events such as baptism or marriage near 1881 to give possible addresses? > That's how I found my gg grandfather and remaining family masquerading as a GLARINI in Bakers Row, > Clerkenwell in the 1881 index . I've yet to view the film of the original census notebook which I > suspect is GEARINI. I don't think that enumerator had a good ear for Italian names/spelling (I have > another example of a relative in the same street) and I know my gg grandfather couldn't sign his name > at my g grandfather's marriage in 1876 so he wouldn't be able to help much. At least some priests > could spell! > > Is there a particular reason why it might be Marotta? I've lost track of where EROTTI came from now. > > Daphne Dashfield (Geradine) > GHIRADANI + ~15 spelling variations > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History > At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Felicia, you have given me extra information about Bertolomeo - that is, he was going to his relatives by the same surname. My ggmother said her family went from Italy to USA, but this was way before the families you mentioned. She said she was born on the ship going from Philadelphia to UK, hence her birth place of London on the 1881 Census (under her married name). It seems obvious there were family by the name of EROTTI by 1900's in USA, but if my ggm's story is correct, probably isn't (and she was born c1858) then her own parents must have left Italy before that - gone to Philadelphia and left there to go on to UK all before her birth in c1858. The name EROTTI is clearly a "real" name and it is just a matter of finding how it was corrupted in the 1861 Census and beyond, except for ggm's marriage certificates and on the birth certificates of her children. So many people on the List have been helpful and I appreciate all. I feel sure I will find the family at some stage. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Felicia Cocking [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] MAROTTA Hello Daphne, There are 2 EROTTI on the Ellis Island site Bertolomeo(probably Bartolomeo) from Ferentella arrived NYC May 16th 1913 Was going to his relatives (Francesco Erotti) 344 Oliver street left behind his wife Agnese Feruselli(sp?) Antonio Erotti from gargnano going to his cousin Giuseppe Piccini Felicia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daphne Dashfield" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] MAROTTA > > Hello Listers, In an act of desperation, I'm asking if anyone on the list > > can possibly see the name EROTTI as a corruption of MAROTTA, or vice versa! > > I think you have to think of handwriting interpretations (of the transcriber) when you look at census > indexes as well as phonetic spelling (including using letter names as sounds) used by the census > enumerator. > > I suppose "Um, EROTTI" could just become MAROTTE which could be mistranscribed as MAROTTA. > > However I can't see how "M" could be lost from MAROTTA. Unless they were thought to say Um, > Ah-rowt-tah - except it would have to be A(y)ro(w)tte(e) to make Erotti (hope I got the vowels right). > I can see how my family's name GHIRARDANI became GERADINE and even with a census transcription error > and a poor enumerator, GLARINI ("e" replaced by "l by the transcriber) but "M" is a large letter not > easily lost. EROTTI could become AROTE or even AYWROTEY?! > > Do you have any events such as baptism or marriage near 1881 to give possible addresses? > That's how I found my gg grandfather and remaining family masquerading as a GLARINI in Bakers Row, > Clerkenwell in the 1881 index . I've yet to view the film of the original census notebook which I > suspect is GEARINI. I don't think that enumerator had a good ear for Italian names/spelling (I have > another example of a relative in the same street) and I know my gg grandfather couldn't sign his name > at my g grandfather's marriage in 1876 so he wouldn't be able to help much. At least some priests > could spell! > > Is there a particular reason why it might be Marotta? I've lost track of where EROTTI came from now. > > Daphne Dashfield (Geradine) > GHIRADANI + ~15 spelling variations > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History > At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== NEW One Name Study ORLANDO All material gratefully received [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Listers Does anyone have any information about a family of the name of Aldrovandi who came to London from New York but originated from Italy? The brothers, one of which was called Innocent, returned to the States but the daughter Julia Victoria Mary remained in England marrying and living in Suffolk. Many thanks in anticipation Linda Gale

Hi Diane, At the moment I would put them on the list as someone might see a name that rings a bell for them. Thanks for your help Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 4:40 PM Subject: RE: [Anglo-Italian] Italians in Plymouth, Devon > Okay Ruth, shall I send them to you only, or to the List in general? Diane > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruth [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 12:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Italians in Plymouth, Devon > > > Diane, > I am going to keep a copy of these names as all being well we will be > preparing a database with Names and the information that we all come across > in our searches. If you find any more please send them to me. > Ruth (transcriptions ALFHS) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:07 AM > Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Italians in Plymouth, Devon > > > > Hello Listers, I was browsing my 1881 Census and found a few Italians in > > Devon. Hope the list below gives some clues. I can do a full lookup for > > anyone if they like! Diane > > > > Dwelling: 91 King St West > > Census Place: Plymouth St Andrew, Devon, England > > Source: FHL Film 1341528 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2195 Folio 12 > Page > > 20 > > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > > Antonio CARPENNIE M 47 M (F), Italy > > Rel: Head > > Occ: Musician > > Hannah CARPENNIE M 50 F Plymouth > > Rel: Wife > > Occ: Musician > > Frank CARPENNIE U 13 M Plymouth > > Rel: Son > > Occ: Musician > > > > Dwelling: 89 King St West > > Census Place: Plymouth St Andrew, Devon, England > > Source: FHL Film 1341528 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2195 Folio 13 > Page > > 22 > > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > > John Hy. KESSELL M 26 M Lostwithiel > > Rel: Head > > Occ: Hawker > > Mary Ann KESSELL M 23 F St Budeaux > > Rel: Wife > > John Hy. KESSELL U 3 M Plymouth > > Rel: Son > > Occ: Scholar > > Mary E. KESSEL U 1 F Plymouth > > Rel: Daur > > Antonio BERTSHIOIS U 30 M Italy > > Occ: Figurista > > Demetrio CAPRONE U 30 M Italy > > Occ: Figurista > > Vittorio CARDOSI U 19 M Italy > > Occ: Figurista > > Giovanni CUCHINA U 24 M Italy > > Occ: Figurista > > Sinachellibo BACHINO U 18 M Italy > > Occ: Figurista > > Antonio MOTRONIO U 18 M Italy > > Occ: Figurista > > > > ZANOZZI, John Lodg <1820> Birth: Ital > > Census: Devo Plymouth St Andrew > > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > > Italian Research > > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History > At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Diane, They came through to the List OK. Kevin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:18 AM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] apologies 1881 Census East London file > As a matter of routine, my own message, with the Italians of East London > 1881 Census, came back to me and I see that it didn't copy correctly. > > I'm sorry if this has caused any problems. > > I'll wait for further advice before trying again and to see if it's okay for > me to do this anyway! > > Cheers, Diane > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Inaugural Meeting of the Anglo-Italian Family History > At the SOG Fair at 3pm For the venue address look at > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks for all the information about Liverpool's 'Little Italy'. Amazing! Rod Cassino: Melaragni, Persechini, Lanna/Lanni, D'Agostino. Settesorelle di Vernasca: Dadomo. Tomassio?

Diane, I think Elaine is right but I do think it is highly unlikely to change from Errotti to Marrotta. On the subject of the census transcriptions. I recived a mail the other day from a friend who had done a look up on the 1901 census for me. He told me that the census were transcribed by indians who themselves did'nt speak perfect english, so there could often be errors in the writing of names and Surnames. I am not sure if the same would apply to the earlier census records. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Collins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] MAROTTA > Hi Diane, > > in the census I think anything is possible. Imagine illiterate people who > may speak very little English and be suspicious of these snooping > enumerators, and the exasperated enumerators, desperate to get out of the > cramped, overcrowded buildings, can't really make themselves understood, > doing their best to transcribe phonetically what they hear, which may or may > not be a name anyway. And as I think someone else pointed out, Italians may > have been inclined to give surnames first, so they may be listed under their > Christian names. If other clues fit - ages, shape of family group etc - I > think you have to take the most unlikely of apparent 'corruptions's of names > very seriously. > > Best wishes, > > Elaine > > > Hello Listers, In an act of desperation, I'm asking if anyone on the list > > can possibly see the name EROTTI as a corruption of MAROTTA, or vice versa! > > I know, a very long shot, but one has to try. Perhaps with the English > > interpretation of the name! > > > > There are people by the name of ERROTTI living in Naples now, - haven't > > heard back from my enquiry and that has been discussed on the list, however, > > I'm trying to think a little bit laterally. > > > > It could be that the family came into England around 1858 and I'm wondering > > if, by the 1881 Census, the interpretation of the name had got to > > MAROTTA?????????? > > > > > > I've tried putting each of the vowels in front of the name, but my > > inclination is to believe that the name ERROTTI is correct. But, it doesn't > > solve the question of where the family are according to Census records. > > > > Any further suggestions please? > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > > Italian Research > > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Diane, I am going to keep a copy of these names as all being well we will be preparing a database with Names and the information that we all come across in our searches. If you find any more please send them to me. Ruth (transcriptions ALFHS) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Webb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:07 AM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Italians in Plymouth, Devon > Hello Listers, I was browsing my 1881 Census and found a few Italians in > Devon. Hope the list below gives some clues. I can do a full lookup for > anyone if they like! Diane > > Dwelling: 91 King St West > Census Place: Plymouth St Andrew, Devon, England > Source: FHL Film 1341528 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2195 Folio 12 Page > 20 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Antonio CARPENNIE M 47 M (F), Italy > Rel: Head > Occ: Musician > Hannah CARPENNIE M 50 F Plymouth > Rel: Wife > Occ: Musician > Frank CARPENNIE U 13 M Plymouth > Rel: Son > Occ: Musician > > Dwelling: 89 King St West > Census Place: Plymouth St Andrew, Devon, England > Source: FHL Film 1341528 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2195 Folio 13 Page > 22 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > John Hy. KESSELL M 26 M Lostwithiel > Rel: Head > Occ: Hawker > Mary Ann KESSELL M 23 F St Budeaux > Rel: Wife > John Hy. KESSELL U 3 M Plymouth > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Mary E. KESSEL U 1 F Plymouth > Rel: Daur > Antonio BERTSHIOIS U 30 M Italy > Occ: Figurista > Demetrio CAPRONE U 30 M Italy > Occ: Figurista > Vittorio CARDOSI U 19 M Italy > Occ: Figurista > Giovanni CUCHINA U 24 M Italy > Occ: Figurista > Sinachellibo BACHINO U 18 M Italy > Occ: Figurista > Antonio MOTRONIO U 18 M Italy > Occ: Figurista > > ZANOZZI, John Lodg <1820> Birth: Ital > Census: Devo Plymouth St Andrew > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Italian Research > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >