My relatives came from San Gregorio Magno, outside of Salerno, Italy. My grandfather was Giacomo Tortoriello, born in SGM 1/13/1881. He married my grandmother Luigia Angelina Tremarco, born 4/19/1886 in SGM. My grandfather emigrated to America around 1900 and his wife followed him 2 years later. Any passenger list information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! :o) Sabrina :o)

Thanks Ruth Now at last I have a direction to move in! Jayne -----Original Message----- From: Ruth [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 July 2002 16:18 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Anglo-Italian] Antonio Pontz The surname is used here in Spain it is quiet common, but it is spelt Ponce but sounds Pontz. Ruth ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Jayne Wright" <[email protected]> Para: <[email protected]> Enviado: lunes, 01 de julio de 2002 13:46 Asunto: [Anglo-Italian] Antonio Pontz > Hello Listers > > I am clutching at straws here - I have an Ancestor Antonio Pontz - who > is totally elusive. I don't know where he came from. Does his name sound > Italian to anyone? > > Thanks for your time etc > > Jayne Wright > (S.Wales) > >

The surname is used here in Spain it is quiet common, but it is spelt Ponce but sounds Pontz. Ruth ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Jayne Wright" <[email protected]> Para: <[email protected]> Enviado: lunes, 01 de julio de 2002 13:46 Asunto: [Anglo-Italian] Antonio Pontz > Hello Listers > > I am clutching at straws here - I have an Ancestor Antonio Pontz - who > is totally elusive. I don't know where he came from. Does his name sound > Italian to anyone? > > Thanks for your time etc > > Jayne Wright > (S.Wales) > >

Hello Listers I am clutching at straws here - I have an Ancestor Antonio Pontz - who is totally elusive. I don't know where he came from. Does his name sound Italian to anyone? Thanks for your time etc Jayne Wright (S.Wales)

Sorry, not much detail on these, it being the 1841 census and all, but I know that these were Italian or Sicilian from local history books (the census just states 'foreign'): North Euston Hotel, Fleetwood: Zechassa VANTINI, age 40, Hotel Proprietor Julius PETERS, age 20, No Occupation F. PANNETA, 20, No Occupation ? PACONE, 45, No Occupation. A Williams [email protected]

Hello I'm new to the list. Many thanks to those of you who set it up. I am interested in the IACOMINI family from Vorno. Two members of this family settled in North East Scotland where they worked as stucco figure makers and their name became Anglicised (if that is the right term for Scotland!): * Joseph (aka Santi) YACOMENI who was born in 1801, married in Dundee in 1827 and died in Aberdeen in 1872, and * Francis YACOMENE who married in Perth in 1831 and again in 1833 and who died some time before 1854. Joseph was the son of Guiseppe IACOMINI (a farmer) and Angela Lucrezia DECANINI. I know nothing of Francis's parents, although I guess Joseph and Francis were related as Francis was present at the baptism of Joseph's son in 1833. (Needless to say I am descended from the one who has left very little trace of himself in the records!) Both men had children and the name has developed numerous variations of which the most common are YACOMINI or YACOMENI. I have found them in records as YACKOMINIE, JACQUIOMINI, GIACOMINI, YACOMEN and many others, as well as mistranscribed as LA OMINI and LIACOMINI. I have a couple of questions which I hope more knowledgeable folk may be able to answer: * what should I read to find out more about stucco figure making - and why two young men would leave the sunny skies of Tuscany and settle in NE Scotland? *neither Joseph nor Francis married in Catholic churches but Joseph had some of his children baptised as Catholics and some in other churches as he travelled around NE Scotland (presumably for work), his second marriage in 1858 took place in a Catholic church and some of his children married in Catholic churches while others did not - was it normal for Italian immigrants to be this cavalier about religion; didn't the Ministers of the other churches check? Many thanks for any help anyone is able to give - and I'd obviously love to hear from any one else researching the same family. (I did make contact with another researcher about 4 years ago but I stupidly managed to lose her details when we moved house.) Elizabeth Kent

Hi every one, I'm new to the list so here's my research interests. My grandparents were Andreas Cicconi/Ciccone and Filomena Perretta/Barretta from Saviano nr Naples. They arrived here about 1900 and lived in Clerkenwell until 1914 and then in Soho after that. I'd love to hear from anyone researching the same names; I've got more info. and some records from St. Peter's Italian church linked to these names if this would help anyone. Thanks Anne Mitchell

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: My grandfather My grandfather Alphonso Mori settled in Birmingham at the beginning of the 20th century. I have always wanted to know more about the reasons why he came and if any other members of his family subsequently came to England. I would be grateful if you coul send more details of your service. Terry Clifford --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by Expert Anti-Virus. Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 2002-20-Jun

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Hi all, Anymore FREE look ups anyone? If I didn't answer your request then you were accidently deleted in the shuffle. Just resend it. If you don't have all the info, send me what you do have and I'll see what I can do. If it's too much then I'll let you know. Please read carefully... 1. Everyone alive, in the US by June 1st, 1880 is indexed. 2. You do not need an exact year of birth, the search allows for a 5 year difference either way. The year of birth could be different with each census. It is hardly ever accurate! The closer the better. 3. You do not have to tell me this but sometimes it lowers the hits if you don't have much info. What is the race? Black, White, Mulatto, Native American or Mexican? 4. Oklahoma Territory is not in the census. 5. Again...unless it's uncommon, I need a first and last name. 6. If you don't have much info then you can try giving me the names of a spouse and/or children that I might find on the 1880 census living with the person you're looking for. What you'll receive from me... 1. The name of the head of household and everyone living in it. 2. The relationship of everyone to the head of household. If the relationship is listed as other, then they are not related. 3. The age, race and sex of everyone. 4. The occupation of everyone. 5. The birth place of everyone and their parents. 6. Microfilm info. There is no limit on how many look ups you can request, I only ask that you limit it to 2 surnames per email. My website is coming back to life slowly but surely. You can check it out now or you can try agin in a day or 2 if it doesn't work. http://members.aol.com/ella12866/index.html Take care, Ella

Here's some more. Once again, a 'warning' about the names being illegible, and this time there is a question of whether the ennumerator has transposed some surnames/forenames. All again "born Italy". A Williams [email protected] Bassey, John, Cabinet Maker. Cardini, Alexander, Musician. Cardini, Angiola, No Occ. Cardini, Mano, No Occ. Cardini, David, No Occ. Cardini, Orlando, No Occ. Boneferi, Antonio, Figure Maker. Guatelli, Francesca, Musician. Tuboni, Gianbatesta, Musician. Tuboni, Luigi, Musician. Rauga*pa, Giovanni, Musician. Annarovia, Giovanni, Musician. Ratts, Pietro, Musician. Gianitatyta, Sambley, Musician. Pagan*I, Giovanni, Musician. Cheli, Gi*, Servant. Gailuoni, Gr*, Musician. Antonia, Sibali, Musician. Giuseppe, Sambrosia, Musician. Ficci, Angelo, Musician. Olivia, John, Boarding House Keeper. Olivia, Mary, No Occ. Cavat, Joseph, Musician. Costa, Michael, Musician. Costa, Caterina, Musician. Gardi, Dominicus, Musician. Ov*tini, Giaco*, Musician. Angelo, Gombari, Musician. Marco, Cordani, Musician. Gilini, Giaconno, Musician. Giacenta, Cainne, Musician.

Here are some more Italians in Liverpool, Gerrard St, 1871. All born 'Italy'. The handwriting on this census is truly awful. Therefore I've gone for the nearest apparent phonetic spelling - sometimes I couldn't even achieve that. However, I'll keep on trying and post any amendments to the list. And, of course, am willing to look further or give further details if any seem of interest...... A Williams [email protected] Brindio Antonio? Musician Gerrocchio Antonio Musician Thorr*ito Ajbrella Musician Calegara Geanonio Musician Calegara Ba* Musician Peralli Gianonio Musician Nevolti Francesco Musician ?*berius Guiseppe Musician Livoli Guiseppe Musician Ferriola Antonio No Occ Ferriola ? Musician Ferriola Donati Musician Ferriola Domenico Musician Legasoli Dominico Musician Loroli Antonio Musician Babigo ? Musician Dellagriata Michell No Occ Valnolti Andr* Musician Dir* Guili* Musician D* Edou* Musician Antonio P*ici Musician Bri* ? Musician B* Raphael Musician B* Lozarius No Occ B* Louisa No Occ Berthol* Charles Musician

Hello everyone! My website finally has my family info on it. Just click on the surnames there and you will be taken to the proper page. Also, I added many many more links, and guess what. They're organized! http://members.aol.com/ella12866/index.html I'm willing to do look ups in the 1880 US census. In order to be able to answer everyone's requests in a timely and organized manner, please follow these guidelines. Otherwise I may not be able to handle your request. First and foremost, email me privately off of the list with "1880 Census Look-up" in the subject of your email if you don't want my response posted to the list. Particularly since I click on the reply button out of habit. Unless the name is very uncommon, please supply the following.. 1. A first and last name. In other words, "Please give me all the SMITHs in New York" is something I can't help you with. 2. The state that the person was born in. 3. The state and possibly the city where the person would have been enumerated in 1880. In other words, "Please look up all John SMITHs. I don't know what state you would find him in." is something else I can't help you with. 3. An approximate year of birth. The more precise the better. The census index allows for up to a 5 year difference. Good luck, Ella Surnames I am researching are: COLEMAN, HARLING and EAVES from Lancashire, England to Phila.,PA KIRCHER, WEIKEL and RITTER/RUTTER from Germany BAIRD and JORDAN from Ireland CRISTALDI from Italy Any variations? That's ok. I've seen a few. Other names in my family are... CRUMLEY, HARVEY, MARKER, STEIN, STOLLEY, TITTERMARY... I piece together the past so my children won't be as confused as I am.

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Does anyone have any information on MORETTIs in London? Joseph Moretti, my great-grandfather, married Annie Kelly on 24 August 1869 at the Catholic Church of the Most Holy Trinity, Dockhead, Bermondsey. They had a son Richard Thomas (my grandfather), born 10 March 1874 and a daughter, Mary Elizabeth, born 8 June 1876 and possibly a second son, name unknown. Any information about them, their forebears or descendents would be most welcome. Many thanks Colin Moretti

To Colin Moretti At www.familysearch.com I found the following info which may relate to you... Agnes Elizabeth MORETTI Christened 27 August 1856 at Tanner St Workhouse, Bermondsey, London, England There are also some Morettis in Glasgow and Westminster on this website, too. According to the www.gens.labo.net website the Moretti name features all over Italy although the highest concentration seems to be in Lombardia. Hope this has been of some help. Regards Sarah Lucia RAPETTI researching RAPETTI and MEANI

Jean, Silly question, I suppose you looked at the Familysearch.org and seen the records for this surname? I see that Monte carlo is in Lucca. I have copied the records below just in case. Ruth 1. Andrea MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 12 May 1666 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 2. Andrea MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 26 Apr 1672 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 3. Andrea MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Marriage: Abt. 1692 Of, Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 4. Angela MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: Abt. 1645 Lucca, Italy 5. Angela MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Marriage: Abt. 1664 Of, Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 6. Bartolomeo MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 10 Mar 1671 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 7. Bartolomeo MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 18 Aug 1698 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 8. Caterina MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: Abt. 1688 , Italy 9. Caterina MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Marriage: Abt. 1709 <Camigliano, Lucca>, Lucca, Italy 10. Domenico MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: Abt. 1573 S Martino, Colle, Lucca, Italy 11. Domenico MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: Abt. 1576 S Martino, Colle, Lucca, Italy 12. Domenico MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: Abt. 1607 Collodi, Pistoia, Italy 13. Domenico MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: Abt. 1633 S Martino, Colle, Lucca, Italy 14. Domenico MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Marriage: Abt. 1662 Of, Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 15. Francesco MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 02 Jun 1670 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 16. Giovanni MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: Abt. 1636 S Martino, Colle, Lucca, Italy 17. Giovanni MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Marriage: Abt. 1665 Of, Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 18. Giovanni Domenico MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 11 Apr 1666 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 19. Giovanni Francesco MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 05 Oct 1668 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 20. Giovanni Domenico MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Marriage: Abt. 1692 Of, Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 21. Iacopo MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 31 Mar 1663 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 22. Iacopo MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Marriage: Abt. 1692 Of, Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 23. Lorenzo MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: Abt. 1603 S Martino, Colle, Lucca, Italy 24. Lorenzo MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: Abt. 1606 S Martino, Colle, Lucca, Italy 25. Lorenzo MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 16 Nov 1664 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 26. Lorenzo MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: 13 Jun 1693 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 27. Lucrezia MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 15 Feb 1672 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 28. Maria Giovanna MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 29 May 1667 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 29. Maria Antonia MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 05 Aug 1693 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 30. Maria Angela MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: 27 Jun 1693 Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 31. Paolino MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: Abt. 1637 Collodi, Pistoia, Italy 32. Paolino MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Marriage: Abt. 1666 Of, Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 33. Paolina MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Birth: Abt. 1647 Lucca, Italy 34. Paolina MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Marriage: Abt. 1666 Of, Montecarlo, Lucca, Italy 35. Pellegrin MENCARINI - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Birth: Abt. 1662 , Italy ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Jean Spence" <[email protected]> Para: <[email protected]> Enviado: miércoles, 12 de junio de 2002 23:40 Asunto: [Anglo-Italian] List of London Italians > When I sent the list of Italians found in Clerkenwell/Holborn, I omitted to tell you that where I said "name found in...." I meant I had personally found these names in my ancient Italian book - Melzi's dictionary of people and places, which also lists Garibaldi's "Thousand" Marshals and their birth places. In other words the bits I put in brackets were my own suggestions as found in this book. > > Can anyone help me find a baptism of Giuseppe MENCARINI circa 1817-1822 (he lied about his age!), son of Domenico, a farmer. Possibly in the San Salvatore/Monte Carlo region of the province of Florence, Tuscany. Near Pescia/Montecatini Terme. Am collecting all sightings of this uncommon Italian name in Tuscany. > Jean Spence > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Sharon, I have no idea of the laws in those times 1800's, but with your family you have three different countries with three different laws. I think that it is possible that if your Grandfather was born in the UK he had a right to be British, but it is possible that in the eyes of the Italian Gov. as his father was italian he also had Italian Nationality. So when they arrived in the states they would then have come under the American laws. In my own personal situation. I was born British but when I got married here in Spain I asked for Spanish Nationality. This was approved but i had to sign a document giving up my British Nationality, but in the eyes of the british Gov. I have dual Nationality. But here in Spain I am only Spanish. Do you get the idea???? i would'nt worry to much about the fact that they had to give up Italian Nationality as I really think it was more of a beurocratic problem rather than anything else. Ruth ----- Mensaje original ----- De: <[email protected]> Para: <[email protected]> Enviado: jueves, 13 de junio de 2002 22:33 Asunto: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Certificates > Ruth > > My great grandparents went from Italy to England > in the 1800s. They came to the states in 1912.. > In their citizenship papers they (my grandfather > and gtgrand) renounced allegiance to the King of > Italy. My grandfather was English born and raised. > Their information at Ellis Island indicates they were > from Italy. I find this confusing. > > Would they have had certificates from Italy when > they lived in England? > > I have met my neighbors after 18 months...they are > Siciliano...the mom is directly from there... > > Sharon Lynn > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukaifhg/index.html > Still under construction! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Jean, Can you gice us a full reference for the book so we can put it on our list of resrouces. Do you have a personal copy or is it available at any libraries? Sounds extremely interesting. Elaine > When I sent the list of Italians found in Clerkenwell/Holborn, I omitted to > tell you that where I said "name found in...." I meant I had personally found > these names in my ancient Italian book - Melzi's dictionary of people and > places, which also lists Garibaldi's "Thousand" Marshals and their birth > places. In other words the bits I put in brackets were my own suggestions as > found in this book. > > Can anyone help me find a baptism of Giuseppe MENCARINI circa 1817-1822 (he > lied about his age!), son of Domenico, a farmer. Possibly in the San > Salvatore/Monte Carlo region of the province of Florence, Tuscany. Near > Pescia/Montecatini Terme. Am collecting all sightings of this uncommon > Italian name in Tuscany. > Jean Spence > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thursday, June 13 Danny Adams wrote: > > Why would Jean, being British (parents also British), have to apply for British Nationality? They had a large family and had not returned to Italy. > > Any info welcome. I might be wrong, but I thought that when a British woman married a foreign national in those days, she gave up her birth nationality and acquired his? Rod [email protected] Cassino: Melaragni, Persechini, Lanna/Lanni, D'Agostino. Settesorelle di Vernasca: Dadomo. Tomassio?