Lee, I'm just guessing blind here but what about Blenco(e) - common in Oxfordshire - or White? Fiona in Oxford

Jean wrote < which port might Giuseppe have left from in Italy and where might he have landed in Britain - could it have been Middlesbrough or Hartlepool? Does anyone know of an Italian community in Nottingham in 1830s/1840s? > If anyone has an answer to this , could it be posted to the list as my Italian ancestors were also in Nottingham in this period and I am having trouble with how they arrived there, and where they came from, and what happened to them, And I thought the Smith's were hard to trace My Italian names are BIANCHI and LEONARDI, they were plaster makers in Notts before going into the Public House business. My 3x Great Grandfather Florinder Bianchi was born in Lucca in 1826, had his first child in 1851 in Nottingham (cert held) but doesn't appear on the census, is there in 1861 but is dead before the 1871 census although I haven't yet found a death record, and none of his male offspring appear in the 1881 census. I know some of the Leonardi's changed their names to Leonard to avoid persecution but what would Bianchi become if they had followed suit?? Lee in Hornsea East Yorks

The following is a list of non Salveta names I found in the SALVETA records I transcribed from the Casalattico/Picinisco films from the LDS. If any are of interest to you let me know and I’ll send you the information I have. ANTONELLI BIANCHI CAFOLLA CIREFICE COSATA CRENCA DEL GRECO DiLUCCIA DiLUCIA DiSTEFFANO FORTE FULVIO FUSCO GARGARI GENTILE LIEGHIO MACARI MAGLIOCCO MARSALLA MARSELLA MATASSA MORELLI NARDONE NOTA PROSSI PUCCAIA RECCHIA ROSATA ROSSI TADDEI VENTURA ZUORRO Carla Salveta (Scotland)

As I said at the beginning of the last e-mail you have to pre-order the rolls of film because they are held centrally in Salt Lake City and you may have to wait several weeks for them to arrive depending on how popular they are. It is best, therefore, to book the film before booking time at the centre – they will phone you when the film arrives and you can book then. The costs are dependent on whether the film is a short or long term loan (1 or 3 months). For your first order I would suggest limiting yourself to 1 roll of film on a short term loan which will give you a chance to look at it and see if you think you will be able to work with it and how long it takes to go through a roll. The records were often in a poor state when they were filmed and many are difficult to read, some illegible and, for most of us, will be in a foreign language. It is certainly a daunting task at first. After my first roll I found it easier just getting two or three rolls on a long loan and then spending a couple of hours a week looking through them rather than booking long sessions. On my first visit I had booked a reader for 6 hours and was truly ill by the end of the stint! There are no charges for booking the readers or use of the Centre but you normally require to book in advance. Most centres also have limited opening hours so check all this out beforehand. In order to book a film you need the title and reference number of the film so if you have printed off the list of films from the internet you can decide which ones you want to look at first and tick them off as you have looked at them. This means you won’t accidentally re-order the same ones again! If you are visiting the centre to book films take the sheet with you and they can copy the details directly onto the order form. The layout of the records is the same on each record as it was a proforma type record where you filled in the blanks. Unlike the Scottish and English records that I have seen there is a lot of blurb about which Act the b/m/d is being registered under etc so you need to get the hang of where the information is that you want to look at – it is not in a table form. The format did change a couple of times between 1810 and 1865 but once you’ve worked out what is where it’s relatively easy to look at the names in the key places to see if the name you are looking for is there. As with Scottish records there is quite a lot of information. A birth record will give you mother and father’s names, where they’re from, their ages and father’s occupation. In the Picinisco records they don’t bother with addresses because the village is so small but they may do in the larger towns. There are photocopied indexes at the front of each year or group of years which in birth records gives mother and father’s names but there are other people mentioned in the marriage and death records not included in the indexes and if you are looking for any occurrence of a name in case it fits into your family it is better to scan each record. For example they have the names and ages of two people who ‘register’ a death and it’s often not someone with the same surname. I picked up a few Salveta’s who had registered deaths of non Salveta’s and it confirmed for me that the person was still alive at the date or gave me an age for someone I only had a name for. If you’re lucky there may be additional information. Some birth records I looked at had the date of marriage and the name of the person they married at the end of the birth record but as this was a small village and the person writing down the information could be the same over many years it’s not surprising that there would be some cross-referencing of records in this way. Some marriage records gave the bride’s grandfather’s name if her father was dead and she was not of age and sometimes the paternal grandfather’s name was on a birth record. I found noted on one death record (not one of mine) that the deceased had been executed at the town entrance but it didn’t give a reason why! I found having a list of certain Italian words with me helped eg the months of the year, numbers, and how eighteen hundred and was written so you could work out the dates. Also words like morto/morta (deceased), celibe (unmarried man), nubile (unmarried woman), vedova (widow), vedovo (widower), nato/nata (birth). In my case my ancestors’ occupation was always contadino which more or less means peasant ie they worked the land so I didn’t bother with a list of occupations but it might be helpful. I can’t offer to translate documents for people but can certainly help with the odd word here and there. I didn’t take any copies from the records I did myself, however, if someone has an LDS centre which can print from microfilm, if you print off a single record (it may run over two pages so check the numbers written on the top of each page) I’ll circle the areas with the information and explain what it is ie father’s name, name of child etc and if I can scan it I can make it available to everyone. I found it easiest to draw up a proforma with the information I knew should be there (the oldest records have the least info) including a space for the number of the film and the record number and then filled it in at the LDS and typed them up later. It meant I didn’t miss information and if I couldn’ t translate something eg the occupation, I copied the Italian word down which gave me the chance to look it up later. If anyone is interested I can e-mail them a copy of the proformas I used. I’m not sure if every part of Italy laid the records out in the same way so you may need to adapt them once you have looked at records in your own area. I did find almost a hundred SALVETA b/m/d records between the villages of Picinisco and Casalattico but my father already knew his great grandfather, Barbato SALVETA had come to Picinisco from the neighbouring village of Casalattico sometime in the mid 1800’s and that his son, Fortunato (whom we are descended from) was born in Picinisco. Barbato was the only SALVETA to move to Picinisco and we found two other sons of Barbato’s we didn’t know about and in the Casalattico records we found Barbato's birth which gave us his father and mother Francesco SALVETA and Anna Felice LIEGHIO. By finding their death records we were able to go back another generation to another Barbato SALVETA who must have been born around before 1760 at the latest as his son Francesco was born in 1775. As SALVETA is an unusual name and there is no-one but our family around the Casalattico/Picinisco area with that name my father is sure that they came from somewhere else and he was hoping to find a record saying where they had come from. Francesco’s death record says he was from Casalattico (although that may just have been that he had lived there for so long) but we are making a trip to Italy in October and hoping to look through the earlier records that the LDS have not microfilmed and see if we can find the first Barbato’s marriage or death records in the hopes that it tells us he came from somewhere else. Hopefully it will connect with Trento and the records the LDS have already transcribed from there. This has been quite a long ‘instruction’ sheet and it will be difficult to follow without actually doing it. If there is anything I can clarify just contact me at [email protected] and I’ll see if I can be of help. I will shortly be posting a list of the non Salveta surnames I have come across in the Salveta b/m/d records that I have. If any of them are of interest to you let me know and I’ll send you a copy of the record they came from. Carla Salveta (Scotland)

Elaine asked me awhile back to explain how to go about looking at what Italian records the LDS has. I’ve split the request, from Elaine, for information about looking at Italian b/m/d records from the LDS into two parts – finding the records and looking at the records. These records can only be looked at in an LDS Family History centre which are attached to LDS churches world-wide. You will have to get your local LDS centre to order the records from Salt Lake City so if the centre is some distance away it would be better to try and make the arrangements by phone beforehand. There are fees which is to cover postage/expenses – about £1.80 - £2.50 per roll of film for 1 month or three. They will contact you when the film arrives and you can then book time at the centre. (Make sure you specify that you need a microFILM machine if it is rolls of film or a microFICHE reader of they are on microfiche. All of the Italian records I have looked at so far have been on MicroFILM). First of all you need to have an idea of the area of Italy you are looking for your relatives as the records are held by place. If you don’t have a definite village/town the only thing I can suggest is searching on the LDS site for the surname and see which areas of Italy they are appearing and try there. In my case, when I first started my search for SALVETA there were none on the LDS site. Now there are 57 but all from the Arco/Trento area which is in the north of Italy when I knew my family were from Picinisco and Casalattico in Frosinone Province in the south. The LDS are gradually transcribing the records they have collected but as they have 2.2 million rolls of film and 742,00 microfiche you can imagine how big a job that is. If you have a placename go to the LDS site at www.familysearch.org and pick the option for searching for ancestors. Instead of entering any names look at the blue band above which gives you several options and click on FAMILY HISTORY LIBRARY CATALOG. It will then go to a screen with a list of options and click on PLACE which will bring up two boxes PLACE and PART OF. This is to allow you to limit your search if it’s liable to throw up several places of the same name and I would suggest putting the name of your town in PLACE and Italy in PART OF. To get the hang of this it might be easier doing the search with Picinisco as I have which means you can follow the instructions below and then once you know what to look for try it again with your own village/town name. Thus I would put in Picinisco and Italy. When you press search it will come back with a list of places of that name it has records for. In my case it came back with Italy, Frosinone, Picinisco which is what I want - always pick the entry with country/province/town option if it has it as this is the one which will hold the b/m/d records. When you click on this link it will show a list of the records it holds for that place which can cover a number of topics, all of which might be of general interest to you, but the one you want will say Civil Registration eg Italy, Frosinone, Picinisco - Civil Registration. When you click on this link it will come back with the title of the records ie Registro dello stato civile 1809-1865 which means Civil Registration records 1809-1865. When you click on this link a screen will come up with information on authors, etc. Look towards the bottom of the page to check what format the information is in. Most of them will be MANUSCRIPT ON FILM IN ITALIAN and that just means the records are copies of the original manuscript records, in Italian, on microfilm. Up at the top right of the page is a button VIEW FILM NOTES – click on this and it will produce a list of the films they have with their reference number. This is the information you will need to order the films and I would suggest printing off the whole list if you can. You can then go through it at your leisure and decide which of the films you want to borrow without having to go back on-line all the time. In the case of the Picinisco records it has come back with a list of 11 rolls of film – 5 for births (Nati); 3 rolls for Marriages (Matrimoni); 2 rolls for Death (Morti) and 1 roll called Diversi which more or less means Miscellaneous. The Diversi roll is odds and ends which have been missed off the other rolls, or out of sequence records eg I found a 1879 marriage here. The rolls are split by how many records they fitted on a roll so for example the first Picinisco record is 1809-14 Feb 1818 and the next 14 Feb 1818-1829. On some rolls (usually the first or last for a b/m/d or the Diversi roll you will see items numbers as well under the film number. That is because they tend to start on records from the next village if the roll of film is not finished rather than leaving part of the roll empty. Each item on a roll is clearly marked with a bit of blank film between which means that if you are fast forwarding through the film you can see by the blank when you come to the next set of records and can stop to check the item number. The larger towns of course would have many more rolls of film – Naples has 46 rolls for births alone but they have split these into two year batches. Carla Salveta (Scotland)

Just a note to warn people about buying from the Ellis Island site if you live outside the US. I ordered a page of a ship's manifest and took the large size which cost $35. This turned out to be a piece of paper which had been blown up on the copier so that there were large black areas around the edges (the type you get when you photocopy something smaller than the size of paper it's going on) - no way would I frame it like that. But even worse was the postage they charged $24!!! for a piece of paper sent in a tube - no way it cost more than $5 to send. On the site for overseas orders it says that postage will be added depending on where it's going but gives no indications of any of costs I made the mistake of assuming they would have reasonable postage rates. I also made the mistake of ordering a logo frame of the page which is the board for framing a photo which has an Ellis Island Logo on it. This cost $20 and the postage was $17.30. I complained via e-mail and got no response so e-mailed again and got a response which said it does say postage is added. I was totally disappointed with what I received and disgusted with the postal charges so would warn anyone (especially outside the US) not to bother. It's just as easy to copy the information from the screen as to bother buying their poor product. Carla Salveta (Scotland)

Hi to everybody on the list especially those whose family originated in Como. There is a wonderful web page with over a 1000 photographs of Como. http://www.comocomera.it/benvenuti.html They are mostly old photographs from 1875 onwards and well worth taking the time to have a look at. Basicly they are taken around Como town, but there are some of the outskirts and the Italian/swiss bourder. Press entra to go to the photo albums, each album has several photographs and each photograph has several other photos ajoined. Ruth

Sorry, should have said _ it was July 1898 but if there was a date I'm afraid my mother hasn't recorded it. He was no 57 on the list. Elaine > Thanks Elaine - do you by any chance have the date of the autopsy? > > Best wishes, > Val > > ----------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elaine Collins <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 8:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] A few more London Italian death 1898-1899 > > >> Hello Val, >> >> I'm afraid I don't have much more information on him apart from that he > died >> of cardiac failure, and the coroner's verdict was Natural Causes. He was > in >> the Clerkenwell area. I'll keep my eyes peeled for the name in any other >> records around that time. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Elaine >> -- >> Have you joined? >> Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian >> ancestors available from the >> ANGLO ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY >> http://rootsweb.com/~aifhg/ >> >>>> >>>> How exciting! Eugenio Federigo Guintini is one of mine. He was the >>> brother >>>> of my husband's great-grandfather, Lorenzo Andrea (or Lawrence Andrew) >>>> Giuntini/Guintini. We have his name as Federico Eugene and a son of > his >>> as >>>> Eugenio Federico (the family seem to have had a very mix-and match way >>> with >>>> names - changing the order and using both the Italian and English > forms). >>>> We believe the elder Eugenio was born in Italy, and that his son might >>> have >>>> been born in France, but have very little information regarding precise >>>> dates and place for this particular branch of the family. So this is > an >>>> exciting find. Any information you can give us would be very welcome. >>>> >>>> Keep up the good work. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Valerie Emmons >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Elaine Collins <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:50 PM >>>> Subject: [Anglo-Italian] A few more London Italian death 1898-1899 >>>> >>>> >>>>> Taken from the Central London coroner's lists COR/A/009, available on >>>>> microfilm at the London Metropolitan Archive >>>>> >>>>> Joseph ORTELLI (or Ostelli?) age 56 >>>>> Hy. Arthur PERRINI 10 1/2 months >>>>> Eugenio Federigo GUINTINI age 64 >>>>> Giovanni CORSI 10 months >>>>> Massimo MAINARDI age 46 >>>>> Mary CAVALLA age 16 >>>>> Annie Maria CASSELLI age 33 >>>>> Alexander Edward SARTI age 49 >>>>> Angelo GENOVESI age 62 >>>>> giovanni RIYOLI age 27 >>>>> >>>>> If anyone claims, these I have some further details: date of autopsy, >>>> cause >>>>> of death, coroner's verdict and are (mostly Clerkenwell and St > Pancras. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes >>>>> >>>>> Elaine >>>>> -- >>>>> Have you joined? >>>>> Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian >>>>> ancestors available from the >>>>> ANGLO ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY >>>>> http://rootsweb.com/~aifhg/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== >>>>> Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page >>>>> http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm >>>>> >>>>> ============================== >>>>> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >>> records, >>>> go to: >>>>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== >>>> List Admin Message >>>> http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/AdminMessage.htm >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, >>> go to: >>>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== >>> Anglo Italian Family History Society >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukaifhg/index.html >>> Still under construction! >>> >>> ============================== >>> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go >>> to: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> >> >> >> ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== >> Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page >> http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Can anyone help. My Ggrandfather Bartholenew Geromino was born in Como Italy in 1797 married in bristol Engand to Jane-Sophia. He was a tea dealer. His granddaughter Lucy was my grandmother. That is all I know about him. Can anyone help on inform on the name and about where they lived. Thank You Ethel USA

Message forwarded by List Owner - please do not reply to me. Regards, Carol, (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WE’LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/Index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: Sharon L Terpe <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 15 July, 2002 18:58 Subject: Italian artisans Jean: There is a small town in Illinois called Highwood. It has a high (or did have) percentage of Italians living there. People building mansions on the lake in adjoining Lake Forest brought them over to do such work as you described. It also had some great Italian restaurants. At the time I lived there I had not even heard of genealogy. I drove by many house, almost daily, with my maiden name on the mail boxes, or in fancy grill work on storm and screen doors. Where do you live? Sharon Lynn Milford, MI

Message forwarded by Deputy List Owner - please do not reply to me. Regards, Carol, (Tree Tops) FAMILY TREE & WE’LL MEET AGAIN - Free Query Service: SKY NEWS British TV Text Pages 267 & 268, http://freespace.virgin.net/tree.tops/ http://freespace.virgin.net/tt.indexes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: Jean Spence <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 14 July, 2002 18:43 Subject: MENCARINI ancestors My ancestor, Giuseppe MENCARINI, was first recorded in England in 1838 when he married an English girl at Stockton on Tees in the parish church. She was from Nottingham and they went to that city for the birth of their first child, Sarah. Sarah's baptism was recorded in the newly built St Barnabas RC Cathedral 1841. From there they went to Sheffield where another child was born and then in to London, Clerkenwell, where three more children were born, lived and died. Giuseppe came from Tuscany, a village near Lucca - San Salvatore/Monte Carlo. My question is: which port might Giuseppe have left from in Italy and where might he have landed in Britain - could it have been Middlesbrough or Hartlepool? Does anyone know of an Italian community in Nottingham in 1830s/1840s? I am told that the RC cathedral was built by an Italian company, don't know if that is true. As a matter of interest, we have just had an Italian restaurant opened in our town and the owner brought in all Italian craftsmen to fit the place out - tilers, plasterers, etc. He told us it was very common to do that in Italian restaurants here. Jean Spence

Thanks Elaine - do you by any chance have the date of the autopsy? Best wishes, Val ----------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine Collins <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] A few more London Italian death 1898-1899 > Hello Val, > > I'm afraid I don't have much more information on him apart from that he died > of cardiac failure, and the coroner's verdict was Natural Causes. He was in > the Clerkenwell area. I'll keep my eyes peeled for the name in any other > records around that time. > > Kind regards, > > Elaine > -- > Have you joined? > Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian > ancestors available from the > ANGLO ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY > http://rootsweb.com/~aifhg/ > > >> > >> How exciting! Eugenio Federigo Guintini is one of mine. He was the > > brother > >> of my husband's great-grandfather, Lorenzo Andrea (or Lawrence Andrew) > >> Giuntini/Guintini. We have his name as Federico Eugene and a son of his > > as > >> Eugenio Federico (the family seem to have had a very mix-and match way > > with > >> names - changing the order and using both the Italian and English forms). > >> We believe the elder Eugenio was born in Italy, and that his son might > > have > >> been born in France, but have very little information regarding precise > >> dates and place for this particular branch of the family. So this is an > >> exciting find. Any information you can give us would be very welcome. > >> > >> Keep up the good work. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> Valerie Emmons > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Elaine Collins <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:50 PM > >> Subject: [Anglo-Italian] A few more London Italian death 1898-1899 > >> > >> > >>> Taken from the Central London coroner's lists COR/A/009, available on > >>> microfilm at the London Metropolitan Archive > >>> > >>> Joseph ORTELLI (or Ostelli?) age 56 > >>> Hy. Arthur PERRINI 10 1/2 months > >>> Eugenio Federigo GUINTINI age 64 > >>> Giovanni CORSI 10 months > >>> Massimo MAINARDI age 46 > >>> Mary CAVALLA age 16 > >>> Annie Maria CASSELLI age 33 > >>> Alexander Edward SARTI age 49 > >>> Angelo GENOVESI age 62 > >>> giovanni RIYOLI age 27 > >>> > >>> If anyone claims, these I have some further details: date of autopsy, > >> cause > >>> of death, coroner's verdict and are (mostly Clerkenwell and St Pancras. > >>> > >>> Best wishes > >>> > >>> Elaine > >>> -- > >>> Have you joined? > >>> Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian > >>> ancestors available from the > >>> ANGLO ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY > >>> http://rootsweb.com/~aifhg/ > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > >>> Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > >>> http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > >>> > >>> ============================== > >>> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > >> go to: > >>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > >> List Admin Message > >> http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/AdminMessage.htm > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukaifhg/index.html > > Still under construction! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Jean - Yes, Raymond and I are in regular touch. He is related to Max, my husband, and is also descended from Lorenzo Giuntini. Best wishes, Val ---------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean Spence <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] A few more London Italian death 1898-1899 > Hi Val > Are you researching the same GIUNTINI line as Raymond Mercier - he has an > Andrea/Andrew. Raymond is in France. > Jean Spence > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Valerie Emmons <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] A few more London Italian death 1898-1899 > > > > Dear Elaine, > > > > How exciting! Eugenio Federigo Guintini is one of mine. He was the > brother > > of my husband's great-grandfather, Lorenzo Andrea (or Lawrence Andrew) > > Giuntini/Guintini. We have his name as Federico Eugene and a son of his > as > > Eugenio Federico (the family seem to have had a very mix-and match way > with > > names - changing the order and using both the Italian and English forms). > > We believe the elder Eugenio was born in Italy, and that his son might > have > > been born in France, but have very little information regarding precise > > dates and place for this particular branch of the family. So this is an > > exciting find. Any information you can give us would be very welcome. > > > > Keep up the good work. > > > > Best wishes, > > Valerie Emmons > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Elaine Collins <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:50 PM > > Subject: [Anglo-Italian] A few more London Italian death 1898-1899 > > > > > > > Taken from the Central London coroner's lists COR/A/009, available on > > > microfilm at the London Metropolitan Archive > > > > > > Joseph ORTELLI (or Ostelli?) age 56 > > > Hy. Arthur PERRINI 10 1/2 months > > > Eugenio Federigo GUINTINI age 64 > > > Giovanni CORSI 10 months > > > Massimo MAINARDI age 46 > > > Mary CAVALLA age 16 > > > Annie Maria CASSELLI age 33 > > > Alexander Edward SARTI age 49 > > > Angelo GENOVESI age 62 > > > giovanni RIYOLI age 27 > > > > > > If anyone claims, these I have some further details: date of autopsy, > > cause > > > of death, coroner's verdict and are (mostly Clerkenwell and St Pancras. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Elaine > > > -- > > > Have you joined? > > > Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian > > > ancestors available from the > > > ANGLO ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY > > > http://rootsweb.com/~aifhg/ > > > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > > > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > > > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > > List Admin Message > > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/AdminMessage.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukaifhg/index.html > Still under construction! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Jean, Thanks for writing. The procession starts at 3pm I believe, from St Peter's church. The registers of St Peter's are held at the church and you need to make an appointment to view them: tel 020 7837 1528. I have been speaking to the administrator there about the possibility of getting the registers microfilmed, and although he is keen, he feels it will be a long haul getting permission: their main priest is away until October, and even if he agrees it will have to be referred up the chain of command to the arch diocese or perhaps even to Rome. I don't know where the school registers are, if they still exist. I think the school was St Peter and St Paul's, attached to the catholic church of the same name in Amwell Street, which is where the Italians who didn't speak Italian tended to worship. But I could be wrong about that: do you know for sure whether there was a school attached to St Peter's? My mother went to that school, as did many of her forebears, and still attends the church, so I'll get her on the case. Did you see the list of school children from (I think) the 1920s that I posted to the list some months back? It's also on the website. I think the idea of a trip round the church is a great one: I shall try to organise it to coincide with the meeting of the AIFHS on 26 October. Best wishes, Elaine Hello Elaine Yes my husband and I are planning to go to the Italian Procession this year, do you know what time it commences? We live in Essex so we haven't been to London on a Sunday for years. My grandmother Marie MENCARINI used to go in the procession, went to St Peter's Italian School and lived in Hatton Garden - thought of herself as Italian even though it was her grandfather, whom she never knew, who was the original Italian! I often think this is how Asian families see themselves nowadays even though they may be second or third generation here. If you find out about that pub let me know, we would like to meet up for a quick drink. Do you know who holds the parish registers for the Italian Church and the school registers for St Peter's? Last time I asked staff at LMA they did not know what I was talking about - must have asked a trainee. Have you ever been inside the church, it is typically Italian and very beautiful. I got a quick glimpse once on a Sat when they were cleaning it. Perhaps we could organise a group to have a look round one day. ope it is fine on Sunday next. Best wishes Jean Spence

Hello Val, I'm afraid I don't have much more information on him apart from that he died of cardiac failure, and the coroner's verdict was Natural Causes. He was in the Clerkenwell area. I'll keep my eyes peeled for the name in any other records around that time. Kind regards, Elaine -- Have you joined? Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian ancestors available from the ANGLO ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY http://rootsweb.com/~aifhg/ >> >> How exciting! Eugenio Federigo Guintini is one of mine. He was the > brother >> of my husband's great-grandfather, Lorenzo Andrea (or Lawrence Andrew) >> Giuntini/Guintini. We have his name as Federico Eugene and a son of his > as >> Eugenio Federico (the family seem to have had a very mix-and match way > with >> names - changing the order and using both the Italian and English forms). >> We believe the elder Eugenio was born in Italy, and that his son might > have >> been born in France, but have very little information regarding precise >> dates and place for this particular branch of the family. So this is an >> exciting find. Any information you can give us would be very welcome. >> >> Keep up the good work. >> >> Best wishes, >> Valerie Emmons >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Elaine Collins <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:50 PM >> Subject: [Anglo-Italian] A few more London Italian death 1898-1899 >> >> >>> Taken from the Central London coroner's lists COR/A/009, available on >>> microfilm at the London Metropolitan Archive >>> >>> Joseph ORTELLI (or Ostelli?) age 56 >>> Hy. Arthur PERRINI 10 1/2 months >>> Eugenio Federigo GUINTINI age 64 >>> Giovanni CORSI 10 months >>> Massimo MAINARDI age 46 >>> Mary CAVALLA age 16 >>> Annie Maria CASSELLI age 33 >>> Alexander Edward SARTI age 49 >>> Angelo GENOVESI age 62 >>> giovanni RIYOLI age 27 >>> >>> If anyone claims, these I have some further details: date of autopsy, >> cause >>> of death, coroner's verdict and are (mostly Clerkenwell and St Pancras. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Elaine >>> -- >>> Have you joined? >>> Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian >>> ancestors available from the >>> ANGLO ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY >>> http://rootsweb.com/~aifhg/ >>> >>> >>> ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== >>> Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page >>> http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm >>> >>> ============================== >>> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, >> go to: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== >> List Admin Message >> http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/AdminMessage.htm >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukaifhg/index.html > Still under construction! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I am trying to find the origin of the surname Mollindinia, is it Italian or a variant of an Italian name? My gtgtgrandmother Letitia Mollindinia was born in London in the 1840s. Her family recorded some births in Dr William's Library, which implies Protestant non-conformity, but the name doesn't appear in the lists of Huguenot names at which I have looked. A relative believes the name appears in Les Miserables, I haven't yet checked but no matches are found on a French surname frequency site (thanks Julie). An entry in the 1881 census for Mollindinod, a possible mis-transcription, hints at a possible Maltese connection. Scraping the bottoms of barrels even further, I know there is a Scandinavian name Mollind, could Mollindinia be a church Latinization of something similar? Any ideas? Even a confirmation that the name is not Italian would help. Many thanks. Tony Nelson

Hi Val Are you researching the same GIUNTINI line as Raymond Mercier - he has an Andrea/Andrew. Raymond is in France. Jean Spence ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie Emmons <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] A few more London Italian death 1898-1899 > Dear Elaine, > > How exciting! Eugenio Federigo Guintini is one of mine. He was the brother > of my husband's great-grandfather, Lorenzo Andrea (or Lawrence Andrew) > Giuntini/Guintini. We have his name as Federico Eugene and a son of his as > Eugenio Federico (the family seem to have had a very mix-and match way with > names - changing the order and using both the Italian and English forms). > We believe the elder Eugenio was born in Italy, and that his son might have > been born in France, but have very little information regarding precise > dates and place for this particular branch of the family. So this is an > exciting find. Any information you can give us would be very welcome. > > Keep up the good work. > > Best wishes, > Valerie Emmons > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elaine Collins <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:50 PM > Subject: [Anglo-Italian] A few more London Italian death 1898-1899 > > > > Taken from the Central London coroner's lists COR/A/009, available on > > microfilm at the London Metropolitan Archive > > > > Joseph ORTELLI (or Ostelli?) age 56 > > Hy. Arthur PERRINI 10 1/2 months > > Eugenio Federigo GUINTINI age 64 > > Giovanni CORSI 10 months > > Massimo MAINARDI age 46 > > Mary CAVALLA age 16 > > Annie Maria CASSELLI age 33 > > Alexander Edward SARTI age 49 > > Angelo GENOVESI age 62 > > giovanni RIYOLI age 27 > > > > If anyone claims, these I have some further details: date of autopsy, > cause > > of death, coroner's verdict and are (mostly Clerkenwell and St Pancras. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Elaine > > -- > > Have you joined? > > Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian > > ancestors available from the > > ANGLO ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY > > http://rootsweb.com/~aifhg/ > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Elaine, my wife and I going on our holidays tomorrow (we've hired a narrow boat for a leisurely cruise on the Shropshire Union Canal between Chester and Nantwich). I'll raise my glass to everyone next Sunday :-) Rod [email protected] Cassino: Melaragni, Persechini, Lanna/Lanni, D'Agostino. Settesorelle di Vernasca: Dadomo. Tomassio?

Dear Elaine, How exciting! Eugenio Federigo Guintini is one of mine. He was the brother of my husband's great-grandfather, Lorenzo Andrea (or Lawrence Andrew) Giuntini/Guintini. We have his name as Federico Eugene and a son of his as Eugenio Federico (the family seem to have had a very mix-and match way with names - changing the order and using both the Italian and English forms). We believe the elder Eugenio was born in Italy, and that his son might have been born in France, but have very little information regarding precise dates and place for this particular branch of the family. So this is an exciting find. Any information you can give us would be very welcome. Keep up the good work. Best wishes, Valerie Emmons ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine Collins <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:50 PM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] A few more London Italian death 1898-1899 > Taken from the Central London coroner's lists COR/A/009, available on > microfilm at the London Metropolitan Archive > > Joseph ORTELLI (or Ostelli?) age 56 > Hy. Arthur PERRINI 10 1/2 months > Eugenio Federigo GUINTINI age 64 > Giovanni CORSI 10 months > Massimo MAINARDI age 46 > Mary CAVALLA age 16 > Annie Maria CASSELLI age 33 > Alexander Edward SARTI age 49 > Angelo GENOVESI age 62 > giovanni RIYOLI age 27 > > If anyone claims, these I have some further details: date of autopsy, cause > of death, coroner's verdict and are (mostly Clerkenwell and St Pancras. > > Best wishes > > Elaine > -- > Have you joined? > Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian > ancestors available from the > ANGLO ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY > http://rootsweb.com/~aifhg/ > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Taken from the Central London coroner's lists COR/A/009, available on microfilm at the London Metropolitan Archive Joseph ORTELLI (or Ostelli?) age 56 Hy. Arthur PERRINI 10 1/2 months Eugenio Federigo GUINTINI age 64 Giovanni CORSI 10 months Massimo MAINARDI age 46 Mary CAVALLA age 16 Annie Maria CASSELLI age 33 Alexander Edward SARTI age 49 Angelo GENOVESI age 62 giovanni RIYOLI age 27 If anyone claims, these I have some further details: date of autopsy, cause of death, coroner's verdict and are (mostly Clerkenwell and St Pancras. Best wishes Elaine -- Have you joined? Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian ancestors available from the ANGLO ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY http://rootsweb.com/~aifhg/