Hello Anglo-Italians, I just wanted to add to the current thread about records available at your local Family History Library. For months now I had put off ordering the Civil Registration records 1866-1910 from Menaggio, Como because I thought they would probably be illegible or impossible to read as I know almost no Italian. Well, I was very wrong! I ordered the two films available for my region, paid the $3.25 for each film (they took about 2 weeks to get here) and today I looked at them. I found at least ten members of the TARELLI family, including my ggg-grandfather's birth--very exciting!! They were not very difficult to read and the names were indexed for each year before the actual records. If anyone knows for sure that their relatives came from Menaggio, Como I would be willing to look up any records and at least record the names and dates for you. (I still need to go back and actually copy my records --a long process as there is only one copier at the FHL.) Maggie Tarelli-Falcon Omaha, Nebraska, U.S.A. [email protected] searching TARELLI family worldwide

Thanks for your suggestion that one can obtain films of the records from LDS, speaking in English, rather than going through the translation and other problems of dealing direct with officials in Italy. Super! Sorry to give you so much typing. Brian No10 Bristol.

Hi Daphne, I had tried the rootsweb free BMD and nothing came up but I see that there is now a free reg. for the UK maybe this is the one I was linked to. I have just tried with rootsweb and could'nt get into the page. Ruth ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Daphne Dashfield" <[email protected]> Para: <[email protected]> Enviado: martes, 20 de agosto de 2002 12:38 Asunto: [Anglo-Italian] FreeBMD > The direct URL for FreeBMD ( Free Births, Marriages, and Deaths- England and Wales) that Ruth mentioned is > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > It has a more sophisticated search interface if you go direct to it rather than via Ancestry.com. (& yes - I've > tried all my known spelling variations!) > > Daphne Dashfield (Geradine) > GHIRARDANI London from approx 1850 > Variations: GERADINE, GHIRADANI, GEARDINI, GERARDINI, GHIREDANI, GHERARDINI, > GHIRARDINI, GERADINI, JERIDINA, GERARDINE, GERARDANI, GEORDINI, JERIDI(E)NE, > GHIRAND(I)ANI, GLARINI > TASSI, SCRIMAGLIA, NICOLI, STACCHINI > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I would be very grateful if anyone can do me a look up in the 1891 census for Cardiff and Penarth South wales for the surname Macchiavello sometimes spelt with one c. Ruth

>Sorry the link did not come up on the last message, but here it >is.http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/main.htm Instead of using the ancestry.com site, which may make you think you'll have to pay for this information, why not go direct to http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ and search directly from there? It's true that the FreeBMD site is slower, but it's not plagued with the many errors which ancestry.com have introduced into the data base because, it would appear, of their lack of understanding of British geography and administration. Richmond is a classic case, the ancestry site seems unaware that thee's more than one place with this name, and there are plenty more examples. Could make buying certificates an expensive case of trial and error! -- Roy Dent, Interested in RISPOLI

Just incase anyone cannot find the Como records here is the list of place names that the LDS have records for. 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Hi Brian, Maybe I can help you sort out where the records are to be found. Q1. Como is a County Q2. I have checked on the local map for the province of Como and there is no place called Campedaluno I also checked it out on an Italian web page and still come up nil, I tried Campodolcina and that is in the Province of Sondrio next to Como but in the opposit direction to Tremezzo. I had one family record for a place called San Stefano, this came up nil, it turns out to be Piazzo Santo Stefano and it is a small hamlet near cernobbio and is not on the map that I have, although I was given it in Como by the tourist office. so this village coull exist but maybe the spelling is wrong. Q3. The records for each village are normally kept by the local council or church, however if the person was born in Como town a copy of the records was sent to the main Como register. I have proof of this myself as several children died/married in other villages but a copy from the village was always sent back to Como. I cannot confirm that all the smaller villages sent all the records to Como, but I don't think so. Q4. If the person died within Italy yes a record was sent back to their place of birth, niether my grandfathers or his brothers death records were sent back as my grandfather died in Wales and his brother somewhere in South America. Q5. Firstly you will have to confirm the name of the village, but the records could be held with the parish priest. I have yet to request some birth records for the village of Musso and Binago in Como, but I have my doubts that the priest will be willing to look them up but it is worth a try. The Como town civil records only go back as far as 1866. Q6. No I think you will have to write to the anagrafe of the village, I Know someone on the list tried the anagrafe in Como for someone in another village and came up nil. I went to the Como anagrafe, but had writen and requested some of the records before hand. It must be in Italian and you have to send some money. I can ask a friend of mine who lives in Como to prepare a basic letter for you/us and he can tell me more or less how much to send. It did not cost alot. I tried to get a record for my GG Grandfather who was born and married well before 1850 and they said it was not possible to obtain a records as there was none.My G Grandfather was born in 1850 and he did have one. Later on today I will ask my friend if he know's anything about the village Campedaluno( he's a policeman) and will let you know. Best wishes Ruth ----- Mensaje original ----- De: <[email protected]> Para: <[email protected]> Enviado: lunes, 19 de agosto de 2002 22:51 Asunto: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Re: ANGLO-ITALIAN-D Digest V02 #170 > Thank you Geraldine for your very helpful response. I wonder if you would be > able to add further information please? > > Q1 Do you know if Como would be the equivalent to a County or a Borough? If > not, where would I obtain such classification please? > > Q2 The town I am looking for was called Campedaluno from a letter dated June > 1865, written by a priest ( a relation) living at Tremezzo (opposite > Bellagio). As the family came from the Como area, I am assuming that > Campedaluno is nowadays called Campodolcino? Can anyone confirm this please? > > Q3 Would the records for all the towns and villages around Lake Como be held > at Como or at smaller units? > > Q4 Is it worth searching records for the place a person was buried, if all > the records are sent back to a place of birth (unknown)? > > Q5 As the letter of 1865 said "father died some years ago", I assume that I > need to search from 1855 onwards, perhaps to 1863. This puts it in the > pre-1861 situation, so how would I find the names of the Parish priest for > either town/village? Are such records still held at each village, even today? > > Q6 If I or others are looking for the address of an Ufficio Anagrafe, is > there a central source and can one write in English and still hope for a > response? > ................... > Geraldine, thank you again for your helpful response. I am using the AIFHS > route for the supplementary questions as your expertise may help others. Bye > for now. Brian Symonds AIFHS no 10. > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Sorry the link did not come up on the last message, but here it is.http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/main.htm ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Ruth" <[email protected]> Para: <[email protected]> Enviado: lunes, 19 de agosto de 2002 17:00 Asunto: [Anglo-Italian] Registers UK > I have been searching for sometime other families surnames for my Desio Family and the other day I came upon the following: > England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1900 > > I found three members of the family, I do suggest you all try it and sometimes it is worth trying various forms of spelling the surnames. > Ruth > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > List Admin Message > http://www.dreamwater.net/genealogy/AdminMessage.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hello Brian I have been following the thread of your request for information and I hope you don't mind my jumping in here. I managed to get a copy of my great-grandfather's birth certificate recently. It took me six months in all, so you have to be patient! I only knew he came from the Carrara area, but I didn't know which town and I only had an approximate year of birth. This was 1854, so you may have a little more difficulty. In the end, I wrote (in Italian) to every single comune separately and that's what paid off. I have put some links below which may help you and others. I have dozens more if needed. Good luck, Jane *Translation Letters to write: http://mangeruca.freeservers.com/letters.html Instant translation site: http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn Italian Zip Codes: http://www.nonsolocap.it/ Lombardy site: http://www.regione.lombardia.it/ Comunes of Italy site: http://www.comunesofitaly.org/ Italian White Pages Phone Numbers: http://www.paginebianche.it/pbol/home/index.html Archivio di Stato addresses and information: http://archivi.beniculturali.it/as/indice.html Maps: http://mappe.virgilio.it/mappe/index.html http://www.calle.com/world/italy/index.html The following is some information about Parish Records that you may find helpful. It was compiled by G. Alessandri and taken from the Comunes of Italy site. > Parish priests used to record the most important events in the spiritual > lives of the parish's members. From ancient times, parish priests used to > keep information about baptisms, marriages and deaths not only in the > parish documents but also in some books called "Soul's State". > > At first parish priests individually did that work but later it became an > official instruction of canon law. > > Since 1563 for the dispositions approved by the sessions 23-Cap.1 "De > Reform" - and 24 -Capp. 1 and 2 "De Reform"- of the Council of Trent, > every parish priest has to record events in parish books, in which there > are dates of birth, marriage and death. > After about three centuries from this official instruction, the Canonical > Codex Iuris of 1917 confirmed that it was compulsory for parishs to have > parish books with information about baptisms, marriages , deaths and the > "Soul's State". > > Thanks to this official instruction it is possible to find in parish > archives important documents for genealogical research, but only since the > second half of the XV century. Only some of these parish archives have > documents about the period before the XV century. > > At first there were no regulations for writing these documents. But since > the second half of the 1800s parish priests began to record events in > individual documents introducing new elements to make documents more > detailed. > > Another improvement in the canonical way of keeping archives was introduced > in 1917. > In fact since this date, because of the binding power of the canons > 470,777, 1103, 1107 of the Canonical Codex Iuris every parish had to > periodically deliver a copy of every parish book to its Curia. > So if you want to do genealogical research about the following period you > can find documents not only in parishs but also in the bishop's > archives of the competent Curia. > > As I have already said, information in genealogical documents are not very > regular, especially for the past. I'm going to explain to you what > kind of information you can find in the documents of different historical > periods. I will chronologically divide the genealogical information > recorded in documents, into three different historical periods. > > I° period: from the second half of the 1500s to the first half of the 1800s > > a) Certificate of Baptism: date of the baptism; name of the baptized; first > and last name of the father of the baptized; name of the mother of the > baptized > b) Certificate of Marriage: certificate of marriage or record of > marriagedate of the marriage; first and last name of the husband; name of > the wife's father (rarely); First and last name of the wife > c) Death Certificate: first and last name of the deceased; state of the > dead person (married or widower) (rarely); name of the possible spouse > (rarely); age of the dead person. > > II° period: from the first half of the 1800s to the first half of the 1900s > > a) Certificate of Baptism : date of presentation of the declaration; sex of > the newborn; date of birth; name, last name, profession and domicile of > the father; name, last name, profession and domicile of the mother; name > and last name of the priest to give the baptism; names imposed to the > baptized; names given to the baptized name, last name, profession and > domicile of the godfather; name, last name, profession and domicile of > the godmother. > b) Certificate of Marriage: date of celebration of the marriage; name, last > name and parish of residence of the husband; name of the father of the > husband; name, last name and parish of residence of the wife; name of the > father of the wife; name, last name, name of the father and parish of > residence of each of the two witness. > c) Death Certificate date of the funeral; name and last name of the dead > person; name of the father; name and last name of the mother; age of > the dead person; date of the death; place of tomb. > > III° period: from the first half of the 1900s to the present time. > > a) Certificate of Baptism date of presentation of the declaration; sex of > the newborn; date of birth; name, last name, place of birth and condition > of the father; name of the father of the father; name, last name, place of > birth and condition of the mother; name of the father of the mother; > place of residence of the parents; name and last name of the priest to give > the baptism; names given to the baptized; name, last name, name of > the father and domicile of the godfather; name, last name, name of the > father and domicile of the godmather > b) Certificate of Marriage: date of celebration of the marriage; name and > last name of the priest celebrant; name and last name of the husband; > age of the husband; profession of the husband; place and date of birth of > the husband; place of residence of the husband; parish of residence > of the husband; name of the father of the husband; place of residence of > the father of the husband; name and last name of the mother of the > husband; place of residence of the mother of the husband: name and last > name of the wife; age of the wife; profession of the wife; place and > date of birth of the wife; place of residence of the wife; parish of > residence of the wife; name of the father of the wife; place of residence > of the father of the wife; name and last name of the mother of the wife; > place of residence of the mother of the wife; name and last name of the two > witness; names of the fathers of the two witness; age of the two witness; > place of residence of the two witness; > c) Death Certificate date of the funeral; name and last name of the dead > person; name of the father; name and last name of the mother; age of > the dead person; date of the death; place of tomb. > > > By G.Alessandri, Roma >

I have been searching for sometime other families surnames for my Desio Family and the other day I came upon the following: England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1900 I found three members of the family, I do suggest you all try it and sometimes it is worth trying various forms of spelling the surnames. Ruth

Thank you Geraldine for your very helpful response. I wonder if you would be able to add further information please? Q1 Do you know if Como would be the equivalent to a County or a Borough? If not, where would I obtain such classification please? Q2 The town I am looking for was called Campedaluno from a letter dated June 1865, written by a priest ( a relation) living at Tremezzo (opposite Bellagio). As the family came from the Como area, I am assuming that Campedaluno is nowadays called Campodolcino? Can anyone confirm this please? Q3 Would the records for all the towns and villages around Lake Como be held at Como or at smaller units? Q4 Is it worth searching records for the place a person was buried, if all the records are sent back to a place of birth (unknown)? Q5 As the letter of 1865 said "father died some years ago", I assume that I need to search from 1855 onwards, perhaps to 1863. This puts it in the pre-1861 situation, so how would I find the names of the Parish priest for either town/village? Are such records still held at each village, even today? Q6 If I or others are looking for the address of an Ufficio Anagrafe, is there a central source and can one write in English and still hope for a response? ................... Geraldine, thank you again for your helpful response. I am using the AIFHS route for the supplementary questions as your expertise may help others. Bye for now. Brian Symonds AIFHS no 10.

Re the obtaining of information from Italy, my (Italian) husband explains it thus: Italy is divided into provinces (provincie) similar to our Counties. Each province is divided into comunes (comuni) similar to our Boroughs. Each comune is divided into 'frazioni' similar to our villages and hamlets. In every comune (Borough) there is an office called an 'Ufficio Anagrafe' where all the details of its citizens born within the Borough are registered - births, marriages, divorces, deaths. It is also registered there if a citizen moves to another Borough or emigrates. All his/her details continue to be registered at this same office even if he/she has moved to another part of Italy. This system has been in force since around 1861, when Italy became a Kingdom. Before that date, details were kept with the parish records with the local parish priest. In theory the Ufficio Anagrafe should reply to requests, and the ones in larger towns (such as Como) in the north of Italy are very competent and conscientious, replying within days, but in smaller places down in the south this may not be the case and a reply may not even be forthcoming ! Geraldine Gasparelli ([email protected])

Hi Adrienne, You probably already know the following site, which I use to find out where the people of the same surname are located today (in my case ARNABOLDI in Lombardia). Initially, you see a map which, in the case of Musso, says that 48% of the phone numbers for that surname (total 1808) are in the Turin area, with 786 in Torino, 405 in Cuneo and 369 in Asti. Just south in the Genoa region there are 17% (656) with 353 in Genova itself. Southern Italy is less than 5% today and I assume it is Piedimonte Matese you refer to, north of Naples. You might of course have been referring to Piedimonte Etneo which is at the bottom of the slopes of Mount Etna, south of Taormina. Sicily is the third sizeable concentration of phone numbers with 17% (638). If you click on a region, it list the towns. Click on towns and you have a full list of names, addresses and phone numbers and you can bring up a street map of the exact location. How you use the information is up to you. I cannot speak Italian otherwise I might be tempted to write to a small number of that surname and ask if anyone has recorded family history (probably unlikely) or can direct you to the nearest office for registration of births and deaths. I am about to start this process myself for the Como area. Perhaps one or our expert members can give us some short cuts on how to obtain info from the relevant local authorities. I hope this is of some help. Best wishes. Brian Symonds, Bristol UK AIFHS No 10. Bye!. http://elenco.libero.it/elencotel/public/RicercaOmonimie.jsp

Hello, I am trying to find the birth place in Italy of my 4g-grandfather, Boniface MUSSO. He is from Piedmont, but I do not know what village or city. He was an artist with moderate success and married a woman from Florence, whose name may have been Aurelia. Boniface was born in 1758 and went to England before 1779. There he had two children - Charles and Esther. Charles became a prominent artist. If anyone has any ideas how I might learn where Boniface was born, I would really appreciate hearing from you. Thankyou Adrienne Adrienne Sherrin Kelowna, BC, Canada http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dasherrin

ANGELO VITO WAS BORN JUNE 10 1894 SOMEWHERE IN ITALY HE MARRIED CAROLINA PORRELLI IN ST MICHAELS CHURCH ANCOATS MANCHESTER JANUARY 18 1917 ANGELOS FATHER WAS DOMENICO ANTONIO AND THEY LIVED FOR SOME TIME IN ROCHDALE AND I WOULD BE GREATFULL FOR ANY INFORMATION ON THE VITO SIDE OF MY FAMILY I HAVE ALL THE BIRTH ETC CERTIFICATES FOR THE PORRELLI SIDE PLUS PHOTOS PLEASE HELP IF YOU CAN

Good Luck.... I feel we won't have long to wait now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E & R Shanahan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] records and 1901 census > Dear Kevin in Biggin-on-the-bump - thanks for that suggestion - I just > hope that it will stay online long enough for searches to be made, as it is > obviously going to be a problem. Goodness knows why they have not managed > to fix it by now - these IT whizzkids are supposed to be so brilliant and > are paid such incredible salaries, you would think they could have fixed it > in two weeks flat and here it is nearly 8 months - unreal! > I will be trying every kind of combination, including putting the forename > as the surname as that is apparently another trick with the Italian > research - It would be just great if I could find a record of him to give > me his birth place. > Cheers > Eunice > > At 20:34 15/08/02 +0100, you wrote: > >Eunice, > >When it does come back I would be very liberal with your choice of > >spelling.... GIOLA springs to mind immediately, but try every combination. > >Remember that the index was nearly 80% transcribed on the Indian > >sub-continent - it is no coincidence that the most popular surname in the > >index is 'DITTO', closely followed by 'DO' . > >Kevin, Biggin-on-the-Bump, Kent, England. > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > http://www.dreamwater.net/anglersrest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Eunice and Simone, Just a word of encouragement - my gt.grandparents eldest son was Antonio Angelo Muccachiodi,b 1857.I found the family in the 1881 census listed as Moccachiode,not too bad !! I couldn't find Antonio at all,so I thought maybe he'd died.I started to look through the BMDs on fiche and found his marriage and the births of some of his children, luckily,the first born was a couple weeks prior to the census.Armed with the address,I trawled the census and finally found him listed as ANTHONEY MINOR !!How on earth can you get MINOR from MUCCACHIODI ??? So maybe your rels are there,just lurking under a different name !! Cheers Kath _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Hello researcher, The 1901 census is available at many of the London Record Offices (on fiches). Most towns and cities have purchased the fiches relating to their own area, so you may find someone willing to do a look up for you. I heard that in one of the London libraries owning the London 1901 fiches, they had been used only by a handful of people ! Geraldine

Dear Kevin in Biggin-on-the-bump - thanks for that suggestion - I just hope that it will stay online long enough for searches to be made, as it is obviously going to be a problem. Goodness knows why they have not managed to fix it by now - these IT whizzkids are supposed to be so brilliant and are paid such incredible salaries, you would think they could have fixed it in two weeks flat and here it is nearly 8 months - unreal! I will be trying every kind of combination, including putting the forename as the surname as that is apparently another trick with the Italian research - It would be just great if I could find a record of him to give me his birth place. Cheers Eunice At 20:34 15/08/02 +0100, you wrote: >Eunice, >When it does come back I would be very liberal with your choice of >spelling.... GIOLA springs to mind immediately, but try every combination. >Remember that the index was nearly 80% transcribed on the Indian >sub-continent - it is no coincidence that the most popular surname in the >index is 'DITTO', closely followed by 'DO' . >Kevin, Biggin-on-the-Bump, Kent, England. >

Dear Simone Thanks for that encouragement as well ! It is really frustrating isn't it, and as mine are only the grand parents, you would think I could track that down wouldn't you. I am still waiting to hear about the Aliens Register in Hammersmith, but do not really hold out any hope for this, after all, its not far off 100 years old, and I cannot believe the police station would still have records - probably destroyed in WWII I would imagine, but you have try don't you. Good luck with yours - I take it you have tried the Nottsgen mailing list as well? Cheers Eunice At 07:19 15/08/02 EDT, you wrote: >Dear Eunice > >I am having a similar problem with my Gt Grandparents. > >I have a copy of their marriage certificate in 1907 Newark, Notts. but have >been unable to find out where in Italy they came from. > There appear to be no naturalisation records, the record of marrriage does >not appear to have been forwarded to their home village/town, they are not on >a voters register (that was a long shot), the alien register for 1914 has >been lost/destroyed. > >All attempts to find them via boards have come up with nothing. I have >written and phoned many people in different countries with the same surname >to no avail. > >So I believe they were Martians!! In all seriously I am hoping the 1901 may >have a clue, if they were in this country at the time. > >Good luck > >Simone > >Searching for Francesco Vermiglio(Veremiglio/Vermillio) and >Antonia/Antionetta Fiorese. >