I have just seen that there is a trial webpage that has all The Times newspaper from when it started. Searches can be done by following this link. http://libraryweek.galedemo.com/history.htm It will only be online for a day or two more so look soon. Ruth

Hello listers, I have been researching my Italian ancestors for quite a while and have hit the proverbial brick wall. My gr-grandfather Amilcare PERUTELLI was born in Carrara, Tuscany in 1854. I have a copy of the baptism entry for the Church of S. Andrea Apostolo. His father came from Carrara, but his mother, Romana PIANINI was from a nearby town called Avenza. My first query is, would the parents have married in the groom's parish or the bride's? Secondly, the LDS films for Carrara do not cover the time period I'm looking for so I will need to write to the church, when I can identify which one it's likely to be. If this is not successful, does anyone have any advice regarding hiring an Italian researcher? Are there any bodies that regulate this area or does anyone have any experience of this? Thirdly, Amilcare Perutelli was a godson of Domenico FABBRICOTTI of the marble dynasty in Carrara. He came to Britain with Bernardo Fabbricotti as his marble agent and worked at Carrara Wharf in Chelsea. The Fabbricotti family have an interesting history, but most of it is written in Italian! Can anyone point me in the direction of any English language sources for researching the history of the family? Thanks in advance, Jane PS I have already tried to obtain various family history records from all the surrounding parishes near Carrara, but with no luck so far. I really need to narrow it down.

Hello listers. A helpfull member of another list has sent me a new italian born GIUNTINI, found in the 1871 census. His first name was very clearly written down as Gauderzie. Could someone identify the original italian first name that could have been so transcribed? Raymond, in France.

Hello Listers Find some entries from the London 1851 census that may have Italian connections. HALLICARO Visitor Unmarried 41 Commercial Traveller 38, Finsbury Square, St Lukes Milan H 107 / 1523 260 HENDEL Visitor NK 30 Commercial Traveller 38, Finsbury Square, St Lukes Milan H 107 / 1523 260 WITTHALL Visitor Unmarried 30 Commercial Traveller 38, Finsbury Square, St Lukes Milan H 107 / 1523 260 PIOCROTTO? Moses Hayrum? Head Married 44 General Merchant 3, Dean Street, St Lukes Aleppo, ??? H 107 / 1523 261 PIOCROTTO? Laura Wife Married 44 3, Dean Street, St Lukes Tuscany H 107 / 1523 261 PIOCROTTO? James Son Unmarried 21 Clerk 3, Dean Street, St Lukes Tuscany H 107 / 1523 261 PIOCROTTO? Samuel Son 15 Scholar 3, Dean Street, St Lukes Tuscany H 107 / 1523 261 PIOCROTTO? Rachel ? Widow 42 3, Dean Street, St Lukes Aleppo H 107 / 1523 261 FULETTI Michael Head Married 35 Looking Glass Maker 64, Banner Street, St Lukes Milan, Italy H 107 / 1523 744 FULETTI Mary Ann Wife Married 22 64, Banner Street, St Lukes Syn???, Somerset? H 107 / 1523 744 HALD? Jane Sister-in-Law 7 64, Banner Street, St Lukes Syn???, Somerset? H 107 / 1523 744 CASPINI? Peter Workman Unmarried 24 Looking Glass Maker 64, Banner Street, St Lukes Exber?, Italy H 107 / 1523 744 Regards Dave from North Devon

Hello list Found in the latest edition of RootsWeb Review: The following databases have come online recently. They are searchable, but not browseable. ITALY. Laurenzana, Potenza, Basilicata. Marriages 1809-1910. 12,636 records. Laurenzana, Potenza, Basilicata, Italy Genealogy http://userdb.rootsweb.com/italy/ Colin Moretti I'm a member of the Anglo-Italian Family History Society http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk Looking for MORETTI, PAGLIANO, PHILO, WHATMOUGH, HALL, MILLER, in London TYAS, IVESON, WOOD, ABBOTT in Yorkshire

Hello Listers Find an entry from the London 1851 census. BRAGLIO? Antonio Head Married 36 Cage Maker 9, Parrot Court, St Luke Italy H 107 / 1522 305 BRAGLIO? Eliza? Wife Married 31 9, Parrot Court, St Luke Middlesex H 107 / 1522 305 BRAGLIO? Marria Daughter 9 9, Parrot Court, St Luke Middlesex H 107 / 1522 305 BRAGLIO? Sarah Daughter 3 9, Parrot Court, St Luke Middlesex H 107 / 1522 305 Regards Dave from a dull North Devon

RG10/3994, folio 36 40 Carter St, Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester, Lancs: *abio (looks like Fabio) *ATTIS (looks like PATTIS), Boarder, Unmarried, 16, Italian Marquis, born Italy Erem** Venetia (F) A Williams bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk

RG10/3994, folio 6 14 Cecil St, Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester, Lancs: Charles A STRALENDOFF, Lodger, Unmarried, 30, ?Commercial? Merchant, born Italy A Williams bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk

There are some returns of alien passengers in HO3 at National Archives but probably only for a later period, eg 1836 onwards. Slow to look through - very thick bound volumes of assorted shapes of paper and not many Italians in the one I sampled (Jan-Mar 1850). Here's the email in our list archives describing the article Elaine referred to. http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/A/ANGLO-ITALIAN+2002+497980233+F In case the URL doesn't work: Genealogist's Magazine Vol. 22, No. 5, March 1987, pp. 351-5 By Brian V.J. Meringo, entitled "Travellers through France: Records of cross-channel passengers at Boulogne, 1822-58 and related records elsewhere, this recommends ledgers kept at the Archives Communales at Boulogne listing passengers travelling to and from England. Daphne

Rg10/3994, folio 4: 41 Burlington St, Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester, Lancs: Angelia REGNIA, Lodger, Unmarried, 24, **** Clerk, born Italy A Williams bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk

RG10/3993, folio 158 46 Ducie St, Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester, Lancs: Hugo (looks like PIGGOTTI), Lodger, 25, Merchant Clerk, born Italy, Florence (F) A Williams bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk

RG10/3993, folio 130 43 Rosamond St, Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester, Lancs: John SEYMOUR, Head, Married, 25, Musician, born Italy, British Subject Sarah SEYMOUR, Wife, Married, 25, No Occupation, born Birkenhead A Williams bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk

Hello Listers Find an entry from the London 1851 census. CONCA Alexander Head Married 39 Cage Maker 4, Brick Lane, St Luke Italy H 107 / 1520 72 CONCA Ann Wife Married 32 4, Brick Lane, St Luke Newport, Hants H 107 / 1520 72 CONCA Julia Daughter 8 4, Brick Lane, St Luke Middx, London H 107 / 1520 72 CONCA Antonia Daughter 6 4, Brick Lane, St Luke Middx, London H 107 / 1520 72 Regards Dave from a dull North Devon

New to list so I thought I would add my particular interests/family names to see if anyone has a connection to these----- My 4xgt grandfather--Luigi Grandi (anglicised to Lewis Grande in some records), born c.1771 in the St Andrews, Holborn area. Luigi was a figure maker & ran a business on Liquorpond Street,Holborn. He married Julia (mn unknown).Julia is shown on the 1841 as from' foreign parts'. Children:--- Charles (1798), Peter Lewis(1807)--my 3xgt grandfather, James Ferdinand (1813), Alexander (1820), Rosa (1821), Theresa Louisa (1823). Luigi died in Feb 1825, buried in the graveyard of St Andrews. Julia died in 1850. Many of the baptisms & marriages of this family took place at St Andrews, Holborn, Old Church, St Pancras, & St George, Bloomsbury though there are records of James Ferdinand's baptism at St Patricks RC Church, Soho. Peter Lewis Grande, born 1807, married Eliza Barritt in 1830. Children:---Lewis Ferdinand (1831)--my 2xgt grandfather, Charles Joseph (1834), Francis Alexander (1836), Eliza Julia (1838). Peter Lewis died in 1883, Pentonville. Eliza died 1868. Lewis Ferdinand Grande, born 1831, married Cecilia Axten in 1854 at Old Church, St Pancras. Children:---Eugenie Eliza Cecilia (1855), Rosina Naomi (1857)--my gt grandmother, Julia Elizabeth (1859), Lewis Edward (b&d 1862), Lewis Edward (1863), William Joseph (1865), Ann Elizabeth (b&d 1868), Henry Thomas (1869) Flora Alice (1873), Frederick Ernest (b&d 1876). Rosina Naomi Grande, born 1857, married George Redgewell in 1876. (end of my Grandi/Grande line!) Linda Naomi Collins.

Just a reminder that this weekend is the Society of Genealogists' Family History Show, with lectures, advice, and about 120 stands from family history societies, organisations and traders. It opens at 10am on Saturday at Horticultural Halls, Greycoats Street, Westminster, London SW1. Entry to the fair costs £6, but I have a few tickets available for £4 which I can sell on a first come first serve basis. The Anglo Italian FHS will have a stand on both days, with help advice and books and CDs for sale (including our new releases of over 40,000 births, deaths and marriages of Italians in Britain). Our AGM will be held at the same venue in room 31 at 2.30pm on Saturday. I look forward to seeing many of you there. Kind regards, Elaine -- Elaine Collins Chair, Anglo-Italian Family History Society 3 Calais Street London SE5 9LP 020 7274 7809 http://anglo-italianfhs.org.uk

I think the only hope of finding records arrivals by ship is if they came on boats that originated outside of the Mediterranean, and just stopped off at an Italian port en route. For the many that walked though I believe there are some entry/exit records in France. There was an article about this the in the SoG's Genalogist journal some years back (and did I see someone had submitted some transcribed names from such a source?) Sorry don't have time to check the references at the moment, but it's another thought. Elaine -- Have you joined? It costs just £5 to become an email member. Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian ancestors available from the ANGLO-ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > The AIFHS has been checking the arrivals into the UK that are available. > Colin Moretti looked at some last week in the NA. However the only > infomation there is only includes the name and date of arrival. The > registers do not include where they are from or where they are going within > the UK. > I like many others hoped that these records would help find where some of > our ancesters came from. We are looking through other records in the hope > that they might benifit us further and these will be made available if and > when we find them. > Ruth > AIFHS Transcription > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Search Archives http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=ANGLO-ITALIAN > Browse Archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ANGLO-ITALIAN/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

The AIFHS has been checking the arrivals into the UK that are available. Colin Moretti looked at some last week in the NA. However the only infomation there is only includes the name and date of arrival. The registers do not include where they are from or where they are going within the UK. I like many others hoped that these records would help find where some of our ancesters came from. We are looking through other records in the hope that they might benifit us further and these will be made available if and when we find them. Ruth AIFHS Transcription

Sorry for being off-topic! Yes, the Beano. And, like me, the Bash Street Kids had ancestors in Preston (their creator, Leo Baxendale). My other email name, Korky.Kat is from the Dandy. Some inconsiderate cad had already reserved 'Lord Snooty', though! A Williams bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk

Hello Listers Find some entries from the London 1851 census that may contain Italian connections GRIMALDI Joseph Head Married 48 Labourer 4, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 306 GRIMALDI Eliza Wife Married 33 4, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 306 GRIMALDI George Son 9 4, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 306 GRIMALDI John Son 7 4, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 306 GRIMALDI Kate Daughter 4 4, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 306 GRIMALDI Edwin Son 2 4, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 306 GRIMALDI Frederick Head Married 48 Cattle Dealer 1, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 307 GRIMALDI Mary Ann Wife Married 27 1, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 307 GRIMALDI Mary Ann Daughter 12 Scholar 1, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 307 GRIMALDI Jane Elizabeth Daughter 8 Scholar 1, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 307 GRIMALDI Charles Frederick Son 3 Scholar 1, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 307 GRIMALDI George John Son 1 1, Rawstome Place, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 307 PRIMAVESI? Joseph Head Married 45 Watch Maker 64, St John Street Road, Clerkenwell Como, Casnate H 107 / 1519 383 PRIMAVESI? Elizabeth Wife Married 26 64, St John Street Road, Clerkenwell Dorset, Blandford H 107 / 1519 383 PRIMAVESI? Pompeo Nephew Unmarried 15 64, St John Street Road, Clerkenwell Como H 107 / 1519 383 BELLONI Mary A Visitor Unmarried 20 64, St John Street Road, Clerkenwell Dorset, Shaftsbury H 107 / 1519 383 FRANCHI Giovanni Head Married 39 Caster of Plaster Composition 15, Myddelton Street, Clerkenwell Italy, Lucca H 107 / 1519 492 FRANCHI Mary Wife Married 34 15, Myddelton Street, Clerkenwell Middx, Holborn H 107 / 1519 492 FRANCHI John Son Unmarried 18 Imitator? of Ivory 15, Myddelton Street, Clerkenwell Middx, Clerkenwell H 107 / 1519 492 BALDERA Lazzaro Unmarried 22 At home 15, Myddelton Street, Clerkenwell Italy, Lucca H 107 / 1519 492 BARTOLI Giovanni Unmarried 15 At home 15, Myddelton Street, Clerkenwell Italy, Lucca H 107 / 1519 492 BENZONI Peter Unmarried 28 Artificial Flower Maker 10, Myddelton Street, Clerkenwell Italy, Lombardy H 107 / 1519 494 BENZONI Abraham Unmarried 22 Artificial Flower Maker 10, Myddelton Street, Clerkenwell Italy, Lombardy H 107 / 1519 494 ALBANESSI Hugo Head Married 45 Teacher of Languages 14, Garnaull Place, Clerkenwell Italy H 107 / 1519 673 ALBANESSI Paulene Wife Married 35 Seamstress 14, Garnaull Place, Clerkenwell Belgium H 107 / 1519 673 ALBANESSI Giula Daughter <18m 14, Garnaull Place, Clerkenwell Middx, London H 107 / 1519 673 BORGHI Agottino Unmarried 46 Merchant 9, Upper Roseman Street, Clerkenwell Italy H 107 / 1519 691 ZAMBUANTIE Fevi Unmarried 40 NK 9, Upper Roseman Street, Clerkenwell Italy H 107 / 1519 691 CAPRANI Francis Head Widow 62 Door Keeper Sadlers Theatre 23, Thomas Street, Clerkenwell Italy BS H 107 / 1519 729 CAPRANI Henry Son 12 Scholar 23, Thomas Street, Clerkenwell Middx, Islington H 107 / 1519 729 THORNTON Mary Mother-in-Law Widow 71 House Keeper 23, Thomas Street, Clerkenwell Middx, Holborn H 107 / 1519 729 THORNTON Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried 38 Servant 23, Thomas Street, Clerkenwell Middx, Westminster H 107 / 1519 729 Regards Dave from a hot and sunny North Devon

The 'Bash Street Kids' were from the BEANO Comic, weren't they? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Saunders" <rodsaunders@globalnet.co.uk> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Italian 1871 census > > Hi A, I grew up in Liverpool and the bash street kid sounds so familiar but > I can't remember why. What does it mean? > > Rod > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk> > To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 1:44 PM > Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Italian 1871 census > > > > RG10/3992, folio 87 > > 18 West St, Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester, Lancs: > > Ambrose (looks like CURICO), Head, Married, 39, Organ & Pipe Player, born > Italy, British Subject > > Elizabeth, Wife, Married, 39, No Occupation, born Lancashire, Manchester > > Caroline, Daughter, 18, Unmarried, Factory Operative Unemployed, born > Lancashire, Manchester > > Ambrose, Son, 12, born Lancashire, Manchester > > John, Son, 9, born Lancashire, Manchester > > Francis, Son, 6, born Lancashire, Manchester > > A Williams > > bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/Italian.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >