Boston States Migrations Family History Weekend, Friday June 11 - Sunday June 13, 2004 Waltham Massachusetts The "Boston States Migrations" includes more than 400 years of circular migrations between eastern Canada, New York and New England for a whole array of ethnic, religious, occupational and family groups. Many folks went west only to return to this circle of families that still go "over home", even if the homefolks say they are "from away"! Politics, war, trade, famine, disease, shipping practices, land, rivers, turnpikes, canals, railroads, timber, mining, the Industrial Revolution, the growth of both urban and farm communities created push/pull factors for group chain migrations. Collateral families, neighbors, co-workers and parish members created "sister communities", where resources in one location solve puzzles in another. Join us for a weekend of events and resources, featuring Sandra Devlin, Atlantic Canada Genealogy Columnist; Paul Bunnell, Loyalist Resources; Maureen Taylor, Photo Identification, Preservation, Heritage Albums and Scrapbooks; Sharon Howland, Washington County Maine Resources; PLUS! Family History tables, migration videos, vendors and regional history resources. Space is limited for the June 11 video replay of the 1999 Boston States Fair migration patterns, ships and railroad resource talks, as well as the June 13 Family and Group table reservations. Visit http://bostonstates.rootsweb.com/ and register on-line at http://www.GenealogyFair.com/2004BSFHF.htm CBC's Maritime Magazine recently devoted a half hour program to Sandra Devlin: "Missing Links" newspaper column has been helping Maritimers solve genealogical mysteries for almost a decade. If you have Real Audio, you can listen to the show at http://novascotia.cbc.ca/radio/maritimemagazine/archives/archive147.html Whether you are just getting started or need help with a particular problem, this is an opportunity to learn about resources or share with others. If you cannot attend, but would like your research interests posted, you may send a "Wanted Poster" (see example http://bostonstates.rootsweb.com/wanted+poster.jpg). Also, if your local society would like to send flyers, please address to GenealogyFair, 233 Lake Street, Waltham MA 02451 Canada Census Campaign information and petitions will be available for attendees to help resolve the overdue 1911 Census release! Search the archives or subscribe to the Boston States mailing list for event updates http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/BOSTON-STATES.html Cheers! Sharon Sergeant GenealogyFair.com

Hello Listers Find some entries from the London 1851 census that may contain Italian connections. SPERO Frederick Servant Unmarried 22 Pot Boy 4, Nags Head Court, City Florence H 107 / 1531 10 ROSSI Ralph Head Widow 57 Wine Merchant 9, Cooper's Row, City Naples H 107 / 1531 286 ROSSI Annie Daughter Unmarried 25 9, Cooper's Row, City London H 107 / 1531 286 ROSSI William Son 18 9, Cooper's Row, City London H 107 / 1531 286 ROSSI James Son 16 9, Cooper's Row, City London H 107 / 1531 286 ROSSI Ellen Daughter 14 9, Cooper's Row, City London H 107 / 1531 286 PELLAIS Charles F Visitor Unmarried 25 General Merchant 151, Fenchurch Street, City Genoa? H 107 / 1531 509 FERMI Elias Lodger Unmarried 42 Commission Agent 26, Philpot Lane, City Italy, Ancona H 107 / 1531 595 Regards dave from North Devon

Hello Listers, These may belong to someone! 1891 census Kensington, London RG 12/0019 2 Church St., Ernest BERGONZI Head 29 Restaurant Keeper Italy Julia " Wife 24 Italy Joseph " Brother 25 Waiter Italy Francis ARROZONI Serv. 29 Cook Italy Terecio GHIOTTI Serv 22 Cook Italy Kathy Nelson, NZ.

At 19:15 08/05/2004, A Williams wrote: >RG10/4003, folio 120 >13 Cuba St, Hulme, Manchester, Lancs: >Charles SLATTER, Head, Married, 37, Sculptor, born Italy, British Subject >Louisa SLATTER, Wife, Married, 24, No Occupation, born Leicestershire, >Leicester >Florence SLATTER, Daughter, 1, born Lancashire, Manchester >A Williams >bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk This is amazing. I have just joined the list, and this is the first email I have received from it. And these are my great-grandparents! Charles started life as Carlo Slatter BREGAZZI, and I have yet to find his birth record. But 100% success with the list so far encourages me to think that I might! -- Howard Slatter Cambridge, England

RG10/4003, folio 120 13 Cuba St, Hulme, Manchester, Lancs: Charles SLATTER, Head, Married, 37, Sculptor, born Italy, British Subject Louisa SLATTER, Wife, Married, 24, No Occupation, born Leicestershire, Leicester Florence SLATTER, Daughter, 1, born Lancashire, Manchester A Williams bashstreetkid@lycos.co.uk

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mazzone" <jmazzone@paradise.net.nz> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 5:57 AM Subject: Senerchia,Avellino. I have recently discovered my Grandfathers birth place after 60 yrs of wonderment. He was born in Senerchia,Avellino,Italy,is there anyone out there with knowledge of the area,and route to get there from the Airport[Naples??] I will be flying from L.H.R to Naples sometime in June. Any other information would be gratefully received. Regards John Mazzone. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.679 / Virus Database: 441 - Release Date: 08/05/2004

Hello Listers Find some entries from the London 1851 census that may contain Italian connections. PAUMORNO Lodger Unmarried 81 Rantric? 20, Earl Street, City Italy H 107 / 1528 116 ARMANDO Anthony J Lodger Married 46 Merchant 10, Wardrobe Place, City Genoa, Sardinia H 107 / 1528 280 MARI L. D?? Visitor Unmarried 41 Merchant 24, Ludgate Hill, City Leghorn H 107 / 1529 70 MONTECELLI Isabella Servant Unmarried 16 Domestic Servant 66, Old Bailey, City Surrey, Camberwell H 107 / 1529 87 PAREZ Claude Hubert Scholar Unmarried 16 Christ Hospital, City Italy, Florence BS H 107 / 1529 218 Regards Dave from a pleasant North Devon

Hi everyone, Just to let you know that our census records on the AIFHS web page have been updated. Please note that the PDF files have been updated but not the HTML one. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukaifhg/index.html Ruth AIFHS Transcriptions

Hello Listers Find some entries from the London 1851 census that may contain Italian conections. MARELLI? John Head Married 52 General Merchant 11, Castle Street, City Lombardy H 107 / 1527 191 MARELLI? Angelica Wife Married 40 11, Castle Street, City Lombardy H 107 / 1527 191 MARELLI? Daniel Son 10 11, Castle Street, City St Andrews H 107 / 1527 191 MARELLI? Joseph Cousin Unmarried 35 Assistant 11, Castle Street, City Lombardy H 107 / 1527 191 NORBICK? Ant??? Visitor Unmarried 34 11, Castle Street, City Nova Zea??? H 107 / 1527 191 BURGOMINE? Servant Unmarried 33 Workman 129, Holbon Hill, City Italy, Bosa? H 107 / 1527 250 BANCHINI Ben Lodger Widow 43 Journeyman Glazier 5, Robin Hood Court, City Italy BS H 107 / 1527 340 Regards Dave from a damp North Devon

Hello Listers Find some entries from the London 1851 census that may have Italian connections. CARVANNITTI? John Patient Unmarried 40 Street Musician St Bartholomews Hospital, City Italy H 107 / 1526 246 GOSINA Angelo Patient Unmarried 23 Frame Maker St Bartholomews Hospital, City Italy H 107 / 1526 246 CAVALLI Henry Head Married 22 Looking Glass Frame Maker 34, King Street, City Middx, St Andrews H 107 / 1526 413 CAVALLI Allice Wife Married 20 34, King Street, City Leicester, Diseworth? H 107 / 1526 413 DOBRIVOLICH Giacomo Murco Prisoner Married 24 Mariner HM Gaol of Newgate, City Trieste H 107 / 1526 729 Regards Dave, cold and drenched in North Devon

This is being forwarded to the list Please can replies be made via the list anglo-italian-L@rootsweb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "lindsey orlandini" <bambino71@hotmail.com> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: help me my name is lindsey orlandini, my father is half ukranian and half italian. his name is Bruno Orlandini i would like to know where to start in finding my italian background? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.670 / Virus Database: 432 - Release Date: 04/05/2004

Hi Jane I believe the marriage is more likely to take place in the bride's parish. I've certainly seen marriages and then not found the couple in that parish at the next Status Animarum so presume they lived in his parish rather than hers. > My first query is, would the parents have married in the groom's parish or the > bride's? No experience of italian researchers but you could check out the links at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukaifhg/docs/links.html#itresearcher > > 2. Does anyone have any experience or advice regarding hiring a researcher > in Italy? Maybe there is some sort of regulating body which could recommend > a reputable researcher? Daphne in windy Wellington, NZ

Hi listers Made good use of the Times newspaper free trial, and proved my Francesco MOSCATI was in Britain before his supposed arrival 1831. He advertised for pupils in The Times in 1818 and 1819. On the same page was another advertisement from a Mr VERONI, Professor of Italian Language. He advised his clients that he had moved address to 107 Mount Street, Grosvenor Square. Hope this helps someone, if not Ruth can keep it for records! Shane In Cairo --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now

> The London Times, Tuesday February 27, 1844; p1 Issue18543, Col A > Giuseppe Ghirardini Luigi Villora Varsi Wow! This one's my great great grandfather with correct father's name. He was baptised on 8 May 1824 so would have been 19. Giuseppe married in 1851 in Holborn and settled in Clerkenwell. I wasn't aware that Parma had military service then - or that Giuseppe and Luigi were in London so early. Giuseppe couldn't read and apparently his spoken English wasn't particularly good. Presumably this type of notice was intended to be read by priests or their more affluent parishioners and passed on to the missing men. I wonder if he ever did go back for military service. He was listed in 1856 in Villora as "abroad" so it is reasonable to assume he had been there recently. Does anyone know anything about military records for the Duchy of Parma, pre-unification? Daphne Dashfield (Geradine) GHIRARDANI, => GERADINE, etc. - many spelling variations in London from approx 1850 TASSI, SCRIMAGLIA, NICOLI, (DI) STACCHINI in London GHIRARDANI, LOVATI, SILVA, MAC(C)INI, BOTTI Parma esp 18th century

Hi Jane, I don't have any experience of hiring professional researchers but on Anglo-Italian Family History Association's website, on the Links page http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukaifhg/docs/links.html , there is a link to Cindi's list which has Italian researchers on it. Hope this helps. Rod Saunders AIFHS http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukaifhg/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Powell" <jane@chipinga.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 7:18 AM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Researching in Carrara > I am resending part of a post as I didn't receive any response to the > following questions. > > 1. I have been researching my Italian ancestors for quite a while and have > hit the proverbial brick wall. My gr-grandfather Amilcare PERUTELLI was born > in Carrara, Tuscany in 1854. I have a copy of the baptism entry for the > Church of S. Andrea Apostolo. His father, Domenico, came from Carrara, but > his mother, Romana PIANINI was from a nearby town called Avenza. My first > query is, would the parents have married in the groom's parish or the > bride's? > > 2. Does anyone have any experience or advice regarding hiring a researcher > in Italy? Maybe there is some sort of regulating body which could recommend > a reputable researcher? > > Thanks for any suggestions, > > Jane > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > to unsubscribe > anglo-italian-L-request@rootsweb.com for mail mode > anglo-italian-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest mode > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I am resending part of a post as I didn't receive any response to the following questions. 1. I have been researching my Italian ancestors for quite a while and have hit the proverbial brick wall. My gr-grandfather Amilcare PERUTELLI was born in Carrara, Tuscany in 1854. I have a copy of the baptism entry for the Church of S. Andrea Apostolo. His father, Domenico, came from Carrara, but his mother, Romana PIANINI was from a nearby town called Avenza. My first query is, would the parents have married in the groom's parish or the bride's? 2. Does anyone have any experience or advice regarding hiring a researcher in Italy? Maybe there is some sort of regulating body which could recommend a reputable researcher? Thanks for any suggestions, Jane

Hello Listers Find some entries from the London 1851 census that may have Italian conections. SPEUNI Francesco Head Unmarried 22 Cabinet Maker 7, Somerset Street, St Botolph Italy, Milan H 107 / 1524 304 PERTUGIA Petro Head Married 29 Looking Glass Maker 19, Somerset Street, St Botolph Italy BS H 107 / 1524 312 PERTUGIA Eliza Wife Married 22 19, Somerset Street, St Botolph Cambridge, Melbourne H 107 / 1524 312 FERNANDES Marco Head Married 36 Importing Foreign Goods 2, Devonshire Square, St Botolph Italy H 107 / 1524 1321 FERNANDES Anna Wife Married 33 M??? Of Embroidery 2, Devonshire Square, St Botolph Prussia? H 107 / 1524 1321 FERNANDES Cecile Daughter 3m 2, Devonshire Square, St Botolph Middx, London H 107 / 1524 1321 ??? Henry Uncle Married 76? ??? 2, Devonshire Square, St Botolph Holstein? H 107 / 1524 1321 ??? Cecile Wife Married 60 2, Devonshire Square, St Botolph France? H 107 / 1524 1321 B??? Alfred? Son 9 Scholar 2, Devonshire Square, St Botolph Middx, London H 107 / 1524 1321 FERNANDEZ Abraham? Cousin Unmarried 21 General Merchant 2, Devonshire Square, St Botolph Italy H 107 / 1524 1321 BERTIOLI A Lodger Unmarried 21 Clerk Flower Feather Warehouse 13, Nicholl Square, Clerkenwell St James, Westminster H 107 / 1525 754 TACCHI Peter Apprentice Unmarried 19 Apprentice Gilder & Picture Frame Maker 8, Garwell Street, Clerkenwell Bedford H 107 / 1525 1018 AZONI F Unmarried 33 Agent 3, Little Britain,Clerkenwell Italy H 107 / 1525 1138 Regards Dave from a dull North Devon

Hello list I hope that this may be of interest to someone. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan McPhedran To: 'Colin Moretti' Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 2:19 AM Subject: Spam Alert: London Times re Duchy/Duchess of Parma Colin - the following is of possible interest to your group. I had free access to the digitalized version of the London Times for one day. My interest is the SCARPENTIS but thought others would be interested. The names were listed in French in 1843 but Italian in 1844. I can not guarantee the spelling, especially with the 2nd entry as it is tricky to read online. I have no idea at what age these men became eligible for conscription. I am assuming that the names were derived from the parish census and/or baptismal records. With regards to the SCARPENTIS, I do not have any information on a Louis/Luigi with sons Filipo or Giovanni. I have been through the parish records for Montegroppo and had tentatively identified a Giovanni/John Scarpenti as the brother of Antonio Scarpenti, and son of Giovanni SCARPENTI. Giovanni died at the London Fever Hospital in 1856. Regards, Susan McPhedran The London Times Friday, March 10, 1843; pg. 1; Issue 18240; col A Notice - The following PERSONS, subjects of the Duchy of Parma, viz. Names and Surnames (& father's name) Native place Commune Nartorelli Francois, de Jean Mariano Valmazzola Draghi Guilliame, du feu Jean Antoine Illica Bedonia Orel Etienne, de Joseph Campello Bardi Pavio Mari Antoine, de Pegegrin Albareto Albareto Pellegrini Jean, de Joseph Varsi Albareto Peliadri Domonique, de Noel Moccolo Varsi Scaffardi Jean, du Louis Pievi de Campi Compiano Scarpenti Phillippe de Louis Groppo Albareto Spinetta, Laurent, de Pierre Monte delgroppoAlbareto Are liable to the military conscription of 1843: they are therefore hereby Called upon forthwith to RETURN to their country in pursuance of the Law of Conscription, under pain of incurring the legal penalties attached to the disobedience thereof. - Parma, January 23 1843 RICHER The London Times, Tuesday February 27, 1844; p1 Issue18543, Col A NOTICE - The following PERSONS, subjects of Her Majesty the Duchess of Parma, now in England & belonging to the military conscription for the year 1844, are hereby called upon to RETURN forthwith to their country, as to by law required in order to be present at the drawing for the said military conscription of 1844. The Secretary of State of the Government Name Father's name Native Place Commune Sancrazio Ostacchini Barolemeo Santa Maria Valdene Borgatore Giuseppe Ghirardini Luigi Villora Varsi Angelo Draghi Giovanni Illios?? Bedonia Giuseppe Draghi Giovanni Ditto Ditto La???Rolleri Antonio Ditto Ditto Luigi Mazzocchi Antonio Buzzo? Albareto Pietro Mezzetta Lazaro Tombeto Ditto Giovanni Scapenti Luigi Groppo Ditto Giacomo Schiavetta Fu Bernardo Albareto Ditto Gio Antonio Giordani Luigi Vessale?? Ditto

Hi Raymond > ... very clearly written down as > Gauderzie. Could someone identify the original italian first name that > could have been so transcribed? I wonder if despite the clarity of the name whether it could still possibly be interpreted differently by thinking of the shape of the word (eg g for z). Also "the substitution of 'z' or 'x' for 'g' is common in Venice and Emilia-Romagna" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~torchia/names/italiannames.htm Some enumerators made quite a mess of Italian names. Luigi sometimes looks like Liugi with the dot clearly and neatly placed above the wrong letter or even Flugi, Govani, etc. The enumerator may have had preconceived ideas -eg that all Italian names ended in an ie sound so that he didn't hear the o. Looking at Gauderzie, zi doesn't seem to occur in names unless followed by o - zio. au is not very common either. Gua is much more common. Using the failrly long list of italian given names on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~torchia/names/italiannames.htm, some suggestions for Gauderzie: Galeazzo Guadagno Gianluigi or even Eustazio or Constanzo Hope you can use these ideas to reinterpret the name if no-one can pin it down any better. Daphne in New Zealand - missing the AIFHS AGM this weekend

Forwarded as the posting bounced. The posting address for the list is anglo-italian-L@rootsweb.com _________________________________________________ I have just joined the AIFHS, I don't know if this is the right palce to startbut I am interested in finding out further information concerning the Ciccone family. My grandfather Ciro Ciccone was born in 1896 in Saviano,Napoli, ( his father was Francesco Ciccone) he came to England and later married Gina Fazzani in 1929. He died in 1944 leaving a wife and two sons John and Frank. I am trying to find out how and when he came to England.At the time of his marriage, he lived in Holborn and is listed as a master Caterer. If you know of any websites, archive info,records or other members that would help, please let me know, many thanks. JoDyke84@aol.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.670 / Virus Database: 432 - Release Date: 29/04/2004