This is great thank you Christine NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Moretti" <colin.moretti@tesco.net> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] Anglo-Italian St Peters Italian Church > Hello Kathy > > You can access the church's web site at > > http://www.italianchurch.org.uk/index.htm > > Colin Moretti > > I'm a member of the Anglo-Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > Looking for MORETTI, PAGLIANO, BARGMAN, in London > > TYAS, IVESON, WOOD, ABBOTT in Yorkshire > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Dugdale" <jsdugdale@xtra.co.nz> > To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:19 AM > Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Anglo-Italian St Peters Italian Church > > > > Could someone tell me where St. Peter`s Church is please? Thanks. > > > > Regards Kathy, > > Nelson, New Zealand > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > > to unsubscribe > > anglo-italian-L-request@rootsweb.com for mail mode > > anglo-italian-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest mode > > > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/Italian.htm > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Thank you so much. Yes it is the church. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: <RAPETTISL@aol.com> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] where is St Peter's Italian Church. > Not sure if you are referring to my email about St Peter's Italian church > but, in case you are my previous email said : > > St Peter's Church is on the junction of Clerkenwell Road and Back Hill in > Clerkenwell, London, EC1. It's the most beautiful church - nothing special from > the exterior but internally it's lovely! > > Regards > > > Sarah Lucia RAPETTI > Researching RAPETTI and MEANI > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

RG10/4020, folio 89 4 East York St, Salford, Lancashire: Francis (could be GUIPI, GRISPI, GUISPI or similar), Head, Married, 48, Sculptor & Painter, born Italy, Rome Margaret, Wife, Married, 32, No occupation, born Ireland, Dublin Adeline, Daughter, 12, born Ireland, Dublin Mary, Daughter, 10, born Ireland, Dublin (name illegible, looks like Sil***), Daughter, 4, born Ireland, Dublin Louisa, Daughter, 2, born Ireland, Dublin Sarah BROWN, Lodger, Unmarried, 21, B*** Winder, born Lancashire, Salford A Williams Korky.kat@tiscali.co.uk

I have deleted by mistake the letter from someone telling where St Peters Italian church is. Would you repeat it please. Also are there any interesting places in and around London with special interest to Italy my niece is on her OE and would love to visit them Thank you . Christine NZ researching TEMPERO / TEMPRO

Hi Christine Don't forget to tell your niece that the Italian church is not open all the time. Obviously it is on Sundays and usually they are cleaning it early morning on Sats. Best to phone for info before making the journey. Nearest underground station is Farringdon, just a short walk from there. Not much left of the Italian quarter though it's nice to wander through the little streets and alleys to get the feel of the place. The Italian school is no longer there but the building was on the corner of the street near the church - well, the building is there (or was last time I went there) but not the school. When is your niece coming over - in mid July there is the Italian procession on a Sunday which is really great to see. The Society will have a stall there and visitors are welcome. Jeannette Spence, member "forty-something" I always forget! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Nagel" <chrisngl@paradise.net.nz> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [Anglo-Italian] where is St Peter's Italian Church. > I have deleted by mistake the letter from someone telling where St Peters > Italian church is. > Would you repeat it please. > Also are there any interesting places in and around London with special > interest to Italy my niece is on her OE and would love to visit them > Thank you . > Christine NZ researching TEMPERO / TEMPRO > > > > > > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/Italian.htm > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Kathy You can access the church's web site at http://www.italianchurch.org.uk/index.htm Colin Moretti I'm a member of the Anglo-Italian Family History Society http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk Looking for MORETTI, PAGLIANO, BARGMAN, in London TYAS, IVESON, WOOD, ABBOTT in Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dugdale" <jsdugdale@xtra.co.nz> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Anglo-Italian St Peters Italian Church > Could someone tell me where St. Peter`s Church is please? Thanks. > > Regards Kathy, > Nelson, New Zealand > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > to unsubscribe > anglo-italian-L-request@rootsweb.com for mail mode > anglo-italian-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest mode > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

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Hello Shane Thanks for that, though unlikely to be one of mine, I think. Too many Morettis around the world for me to contemplate a one name study, at least at present. Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "shane abdelnour" <shane43nour@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: [Anglo-Italian] for Colin MORETTI > Just back from Beirut, Lebanon and noticed a shop/business sign from the bus with name "Someone" and MORETTI, in one of the Beirut suburbs. > > Shane. in Cairo > >

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Not sure if you are referring to my email about St Peter's Italian church but, in case you are my previous email said : St Peter's Church is on the junction of Clerkenwell Road and Back Hill in Clerkenwell, London, EC1.  It's the most beautiful church - nothing special from the exterior but internally it's lovely! Regards Sarah Lucia RAPETTI Researching RAPETTI and MEANI

Could someone tell me where St. Peter`s Church is please? Thanks. Regards Kathy, Nelson, New Zealand

Hello Listers Find an entry from the London 1851 census with Italian connections. CALVI Antonio Head Unmarried 25 Artificial Florist 31, Ashford Street, Shoreditch Italy H 107 / 1536 137 CALVI Creole? Brother Unmarried 19 Artificial Florist 31, Ashford Street, Shoreditch Italy H 107 / 1536 137 CALVI Antonio Apprentice Unmarried 17 Artificial Florist Apprentice 31, Ashford Street, Shoreditch Italy H 107 / 1536 137 Regards Dave from North Devon where it cannot make up its mind whether to rain or not.

St Peter's Church is on the junction of Clerkenwell Road and Back Hill in Clerkenwell, London, EC1. It's the most beautiful church - nothing special from the exterior but internally it's lovely! Sarah Lucia RAPETTI

AT Trafalgar Chambers, South Parade, Chelsea, London, 1891 Census: Domenico Borgognoni, head, 60, grocer's assistant, born Turin, Italy. British Subject. Elizabeth " wife, 40, born London, Kensington. Domenico B. " son, 12 (?), scholar, born London, Westbourne Park. Alina " daur. 10, scholar, born " " " Joseph " son, 1, born London, Chelsea Larry " cousin, 10, born " " I have the 1891 Census of London, but it is indexed by street and not by surname. Geraldine

Not yet, I'm afraid! The registers are held at the church, and you have to make an appointment to view. At the moment you can't even do that, as they're redecorating and the books are packed away. But we have a trusty team of transcribers from the Anglo-Italian Family History Society who will be back on the case as soon as they're allowed. The plan is to organise a look-up service as we complete volumes. If anyone wants to volunteer, either for transcribing, or typing up, contact Kay Lorenzato. Best wishes Elaine -- Have you joined? It costs just £5 to become an email member. Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian ancestors available from the ANGLO-ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > Is it possible to obtain access to the St Peter's Italian Church records - > on the internet or by any other means? > Joan. > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > to unsubscribe/subscribe > anglo-italian-L-request@rootsweb.com for mail mode > anglo-italian-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest mode > > To Post anglo-italian-L@rootsweb.com > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

There was quite a lot of intermarriage between the Irish and the Italians - the registers of St Peter's Italian church are full of Irish names, particularly in the early days when there weren't many Italian women around for the immigrant workers to marry. The shared Catholic faith brought them into social contact, and in places like Clerkenwell, as fellow members of the immigrant underclass, they lived close together. My Alzapiedi married an O'Meara, for example. Best wishes, Elaine -- Have you joined? It costs just £5 to become an email member. Membership details and other information about tracing your Italian ancestors available from the ANGLO-ITALIAN FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > Patricia, > > I am descended from a family called Bregazzi, who came from the Como area > and started life in the UK as carvers, gilders, looking glass frame makers > etc, typical for immigrants from the Como region. > > One of them, Sebastiano Ambrogio Bregazzi, born near Como, started life in > England in Brick Lane, London in 1861, then got married to Elizabeth Kelly > in 1866 in Leeds. Kelly is a good Irish name! Elizabeth's father was, > according to the marriage certificate, Patrick Kelly (you can't get more > Irish than that), Frame Maker and Gilder. Sebastian and Elizabeth then > moved to Dublin, where they founded the Irish branch of the Bregazzis, > still flourishing today. > > I don't know if that helps at all, but it does show that you could be Irish > and a frame maker! > > Howard > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lindsley, Patricia" <PLindsley@buckscc.gov.uk> >> To: "ANGLO-ITALIAN-D-request (E-mail)" <ANGLO-ITALIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:00 PM >> Subject: The Irish Connection >> >> >> >> My ancestor Charles GALEY/GAILY gives his birth place, on the 1871 Census, as >> Ireland. His occupation is looking glass frame maker. At that time he is >> living with his family in Shoreditch. He was married 31.03.1862, St Luke, >> Clerkenwell. Ruth who turned up this surprising information for me is of the >> opinion that he is Italian given his profession. >> >> Does any body out there have Italian family with Irish connections. I would >> be very please for information on how to continue my family research. >> >> Patricia Lindsley > > -- > Howard Slatter > Cambridge, England > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > Anglo-Italian Mailing List Web Page > http://freespace.virgin.net/anglers.rest/Italian.htm > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Is it possible to obtain access to the St Peter's Italian Church records - on the internet or by any other means? Joan.

Patricia: Intermarriage seems to have been very common amongst the Italian and Irish communities in Clerkenwell in Victorian times. Also, looking glass frame maker was a common occupation in that area. For example, my ancestor John MOMBELLI, variously described in records as looking glass maker or gilder & carver married Jane BUCKLEY nee DUKE who was Irish. You do not give Charles's wife's maiden name but it is quite possible that one or other had Italian connections somewhere along the line. Bear in mid also that the area was somewhat unhealthy and early deaths and remarriage of the survivor led to step-relationships Derek Woodman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs Julie Goucher" <anglers.rest@virgin.net> To: <ANGLO-ITALIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 25 May 2004 22:29 Subject: [Anglo-Italian] Fw: The Irish Connection > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lindsley, Patricia" <PLindsley@buckscc.gov.uk> > To: "ANGLO-ITALIAN-D-request (E-mail)" <ANGLO-ITALIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:00 PM > Subject: The Irish Connection > > > > My ancestor Charles GALEY/GAILY gives his birth place, on the 1871 Census, as > Ireland. His occupation is looking glass frame maker. At that time he is > living with his family in Shoreditch. He was married 31.03.1862, St Luke, > Clerkenwell. Ruth who turned up this surprising information for me is of the > opinion that he is Italian given his profession. > > Does any body out there have Italian family with Irish connections. I would > be very please for information on how to continue my family research. > > Patricia Lindsley > > > Visit our Web Site : http://www.buckscc.gov.uk > **** Buckinghamshire County Council E-mail Disclaimer ******** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended > recipient, the use of the information by disclosure, copying > or distribution is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this email in error please notify the system manager > at postmaster@buckscc.gov.uk > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been > swept for content and for the presence of computer viruses. > **** End of Disclaimer *************************************** > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 23/05/2004 > > > ==== ANGLO-ITALIAN Mailing List ==== > to unsubscribe > anglo-italian-L-request@rootsweb.com for mail mode > anglo-italian-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest mode > > Anglo Italian Family History Society > http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Patricia, I am descended from a family called Bregazzi, who came from the Como area and started life in the UK as carvers, gilders, looking glass frame makers etc, typical for immigrants from the Como region. One of them, Sebastiano Ambrogio Bregazzi, born near Como, started life in England in Brick Lane, London in 1861, then got married to Elizabeth Kelly in 1866 in Leeds. Kelly is a good Irish name! Elizabeth's father was, according to the marriage certificate, Patrick Kelly (you can't get more Irish than that), Frame Maker and Gilder. Sebastian and Elizabeth then moved to Dublin, where they founded the Irish branch of the Bregazzis, still flourishing today. I don't know if that helps at all, but it does show that you could be Irish and a frame maker! Howard >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lindsley, Patricia" <PLindsley@buckscc.gov.uk> >To: "ANGLO-ITALIAN-D-request (E-mail)" <ANGLO-ITALIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:00 PM >Subject: The Irish Connection > > > >My ancestor Charles GALEY/GAILY gives his birth place, on the 1871 Census, as >Ireland. His occupation is looking glass frame maker. At that time he is >living with his family in Shoreditch. He was married 31.03.1862, St Luke, >Clerkenwell. Ruth who turned up this surprising information for me is of the >opinion that he is Italian given his profession. > >Does any body out there have Italian family with Irish connections. I would >be very please for information on how to continue my family research. > >Patricia Lindsley -- Howard Slatter Cambridge, England

Hi Brian, Thanks for the details. >ORLANDI, Carlo fu Gabriele entry 602 of 1874. Regards, Julie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 22/05/2004