This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Wm.2ADEB/1916.1946.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I am not familar with either of those names. That is not to say for sure that there is no connection. I have only done a direct tree with few lateral ancestors. The Bates Association is a very large and well documented group. The membership is rather pricey; $20.00 but if all else fails, I'm sure you can get info through them.