Dear Cousin, i agree with everything you said, I do wish tho that WHITE bashing could be considered in your rant and when you say ethnic groups I think you lieft out European WHITE i feel you should add WHITE as well to your repertoire & litany of cultures and races you are defending. as a victim of Anti Southern Bigotry I am well aware of much on the internet that is untrue about us, and these unfair tales are embellished distorting the truth to mis-educate for proprogandi and political advantage. thanks for reading my suggestion. While not all was lite & kissses some of my Indian cousins went from Alabama to 1800s Feliciana Parish, Louisiana-Wilkinson co. Mississippi and on to Texas and finally rejoined the tribe at Evin Springs, Indian Territory of Oklahoma (Dawes Rolls), and some of their descendants are buried in Lindsay, Gavin Co. OK. The family they married into in Louisiana migrated and descended from old 1700s European South Carolina family. Sam Houston left his position as Governor of TN, had an Indian wife, previously he had tried to start his own country, first in North Alabama, later in Texas for the Indians he had befriended. He also had a start up for them in Arkansas. As the land wore out from single crop cultivation, and the population could not support the number of people, families split up and pioneered new lands, this kept pushing the Indians further and further West. The settlement of Kentucky was one of the worst blows they had, this was their "Happy Hunting Ground" and no Indians lived there all the time, they kept it as a place where they knew there would be food for them and their families. The migration to Kentucky began around 1780-90, the Trail of Tears, the round up of Indians from Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama was in 1838. Indians in the South were not annihilated, some Indians never made the trip to OK and have reservations in North Carolina (I have been there, near Asheville); and Alabama (Cherokee Village, I have been there); Two in Louisiana (I have been there); One in Mississippi (I have been there); Livingston, Texas (I have been there). I have also been to 2 out West (near Grand Canyon) and Mesa Verdi. these I know of, there is probably more, in other Southern states as well. There are no reservations in the North that I am aware of, there is a huge gambling mecca, I think CT, on old Indian land, some say is legal but not founded or run by Indians. During the Rev War and War of 1812 some tribes fought with the Britts because they were from outside America and they thought if the British won the War the migration would be much slower or maybe not at all. However, there were also Indians on the American side in that War, they must have had some regard for us or they wouldn't have fought on our side. Maybe it is as Geronimo said: "Our time has passed" I found a new cousin this week: Lt. Charles B. Gatewood b Shenandoah Valley, VA 1853 buried Arlington 1896. Lieutenant Charles Gatewood is almost lost to American history, but was recently revived somewhat by the movie "Geronimo," in which he was a central character. http://www.thehistorynet.com/WildWest/articles/1999/1099_text.htm Gatewood and Geronimo (the book by Louis Craft) is on sale at Amazon.com. Book Description: The two pre-eminent warriors of the Apache Wars between 1878 and 1886, Lieutenant Charles B. Gatewood of the Sixth United States Cavalry and Chiricahua leader Geronimo, respected one another in peace and feared one another in war. Within two years of his posting to Arizona in 1878, Gatewood became the army's premier "Apache man" as both a commander of Apache scouts and a reservation administrator, but his equitable treatment of Indians aroused the enmity of civilian and military detractors, and the army shunned him. In the late 1870s Geronimo, a medicine man, emerged as a brilliant Chiricahua leader and fiercely resisted his people's incarceration on inhospitable federal reservations. His fight for freedom, often bloody, in New Mexico, Arizona, and Mexico triggered the deployment of hundreds of United States and Mexican troops and Apache Scouts to hunt him and his people. In the end, the United States Army recalled Gatewood to Apache service, ordering him into the Sierra Madre of northern Mexico to locate Geronimo and negotiate his band's surrender. Showing the depravity and desperation of the Apache wars, Louis Kraft dramatically recreates Gatewood's final mission and poignantly recalls the United States government's betrayal of the Chiricahuas, Geronimo, and Gatewood at the campaign's end. The Apaches called Gatewood Bay-chen-daysen, which translates to "Long Nose." Tall, slender and Southern born, Gatewood graduated from West Point in 1877. Shortly after reporting for duty with the 6th U.S. Cavalry at Fort Apache, Arizona Territory, in 1878, he became a veteran Indian campaigner. By 1884, Gatewood had emerged as one of Crook's handpicked subalterns to bring peace to the Southwest. An experienced commander of Apache scouts, he also served as military commandant of the White Mountain Indian Reservation, headquartered at Fort Apache. On November 8, 1887, Tucson feted the victorious soldiers. During the reception at the San Xavier Hotel, Miles' officers were all praised--all except Gatewood. When asked about Gatewood's participation in the surrender, Miles snapped that he was "sick of this adulation of Lieutenant Gatewood, who only did his duty." Gatewood was conspicuously absent from the celebration. Miles had no intention of being upstaged and had ordered Gatewood to remain in Los Angeles. Gatewood's situation never improved. His assignment as aide-de-camp ended on September 14, 1890. From then until his death on May 20, 1896, he continued to perform his various assignments to the best of his ability. But there would be no rewards. Whereas Lawton, Wood, Smith and almost every officer who served in Mexico during the summer of 1886 died or retired a colonel or general, Gatewood died a first lieutenant--the rank he held when he negotiated with Geronimo in Mexico. josie At 07:35 PM 2/1/01 -0800, you wrote: >Dear Cousins, > I have made further changes to the the site, in order for >people to find things more easily. Each of the Perimeters now >has its own chart of included information, which I think will make it >easier. Although the indexes are up, !! not all the links are >linked!! In some cases the files are not uploaded, and in some >cases, the files are uploaded, but are at the old locations and I >simply haven't been able to link everything to the new indexes -- >YET! Each of the index pages ultimately will have a degree of >explanation of the new pages and their relationship to the perimeters. >Each has a symbol which I hope will come to represent the Perimeter in >your minds. When you see it you automatically will begin to think of >that Perimeter and its specific data. > While working on the pages last night, I came across a site at >Rootsweb which disturbed me. I am putting up pages regarding Native >Americans, and I found a link to the page Indian Captives, which I had >visited some time ago -- maybe as long as two years, I can't remember. >Several people had written in about the content, and the webmaster had >commented rather definsively back that hers was not a forum for >discussion but a genealogy site. I didn't find any genealogy there, >but there may be some. Most of the site was stories which seemed to >be undocumented, sensational stories written long after the fact, >that described the "savage" treatment to captives. > While my own great-grandfather was murdered by Indians in 1878 >here in Oregon, and while I am a descendant of Hannah Emerson Dustin >(of the Haverhill Emersons) who was a White captive who overcame her >Indian captors in the 1600's, and while I have researched the story of >Mary Draper Ingles of SW Virginia, whose story is also legitimate, >many of the "White Captive" stories are not legitimate, and are only >repetitions of stories with different names, and bloody details thrown >in to titilate and distort 19th century ideas about Indians. Then >these ideas are passed on, generation after generation. I feel it is >very irresponsible to put up information on the internet which is >insensitive to ethnic groups, as well as to others. Just as we must >guard the truthfulness of our genealogy, we must impose ethical and >historical standards to other information we put on the internet for >general consumption. I am pledged not just to truth, but accuracy. We >do not want to judge Whites, African Americans, or Native Americans >(or any other ethnic group) by current cultural standards. But most >of >all we do not want to repeat errors, misinformation, and genealogical >and historical sloppiness to perpetrate cruel, inaccurate stereotypes >of any ethnic group. Native - White Settler relationships on the >frontiers were extremely complicated, and need to be addressed in >historically ethical and objective ways. > The pages I will be including will have information on >Native Americans in each region. We will soon be coming to >information on the Cherokees who originally populated the NWSW >Perimeter (NW North Carolina and SW Virginia) on down into northern >Georgia -- which is why I am getting in this "rant" now! > Please, if you have suggestions or comments, please write via >the list. I welcome your comments on any subject. This List IS the >forum for discussion of issues! We need to discuss how things are >going, and if you think things could be done, differently or better, >or if I've neglected to include something. We do not have to agree >on issues, or politics! But we do have to refrain from stereotyping >and generalizing about others. That is nothing more than name-calling >and mudslinging. Also, the idea with American Crossroads is to >search out genealogy and history to show the kinship that we have with >one another. Giving identity to out ancestors is one way, and >remembering to think positive, healing thoughts about our Cousins and >Friends are others. I was so gratified recently when one cousin wrote >to say she felt so close to another one even though they've never met. >This is most definitely what I am trying to achieve with this site. > Remember, the links are not working! This is just the >notification to have you see the organization of the thing. > The new indexes are: >The Philadelphia Perimeter >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Phila/index.html >The NWSW Perimeter >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/NWSW/index.html >The Maryland Delaware Perimeter >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/MDDE/index.html > >Love, Your Historically Correct Cousin, Carolyn >Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com >========================================= >--- Visit American Crossroads --- >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads > > > > > > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! ___________________________________________________________________ josiebass@zxmail.com 216 Beach Park Lane Cape Canaveral, FL 32920-5003 Home of the *HARRISON* Repository http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/ My Southern Family WWW: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/ LINDSAY & HARRISON Surnames & CSA-HISTORY Roots Mail List GENCONNECT: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/indx/FamAssoc.html Data Managed by beautiful daughter Becky Bass Bonner and me, Josephine Lindsay Bass

I was just rereading my messages and came across this one from the first part of February. I wanted to add a little. I live in NE Pennsylvania and there are many Indian reservations in the North. In fact there is one not 10 miles from my house. Thanks though for the info. on the Southern Indians. I didn't know that all of them were not forced to move West. ----- Original Message ----- From: "josie bass" <jbass@digital.net> To: <AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [AMXROADS] Site Indexes > Dear Cousin, i agree with everything you said, I do wish tho that WHITE > bashing could be considered in your rant and when you say ethnic groups I > think you lieft out European WHITE i feel you should add WHITE as well to > your repertoire & litany of cultures and races you are defending. > > as a victim of Anti Southern Bigotry I am well aware of much on the > internet that is untrue about us, and these unfair tales are embellished > distorting the truth to mis-educate for proprogandi and political advantage. > > thanks for reading my suggestion. > > While not all was lite & kissses some of my Indian cousins went from > Alabama to 1800s Feliciana Parish, Louisiana-Wilkinson co. Mississippi and > on to Texas and finally rejoined the tribe at Evin Springs, Indian > Territory of Oklahoma (Dawes Rolls), and some of their descendants are > buried in Lindsay, Gavin Co. OK. The family they married into in Louisiana > migrated and descended from old 1700s European South Carolina family. > > Sam Houston left his position as Governor of TN, had an Indian wife, > previously he had tried to start his own country, first in North Alabama, > later in Texas for the Indians he had befriended. He also had a start up > for them in Arkansas. > > As the land wore out from single crop cultivation, and the population could > not support the number of people, families split up and pioneered new > lands, this kept pushing the Indians further and further West. The > settlement of Kentucky was one of the worst blows they had, this was their > "Happy Hunting Ground" and no Indians lived there all the time, they kept > it as a place where they knew there would be food for them and their > families. The migration to Kentucky began around 1780-90, the Trail of > Tears, the round up of Indians from Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, > Alabama was in 1838. > > Indians in the South were not annihilated, some Indians never made the trip > to OK and have reservations in North Carolina (I have been there, near > Asheville); and Alabama (Cherokee Village, I have been there); Two in > Louisiana (I have been there); One in Mississippi (I have been there); > Livingston, Texas (I have been there). I have also been to 2 out West (near > Grand Canyon) and Mesa Verdi. > > these I know of, there is probably more, in other Southern states as well. > There are no reservations in the North that I am aware of, there is a huge > gambling mecca, I think CT, on old Indian land, some say is legal but not > founded or run by Indians. > > During the Rev War and War of 1812 some tribes fought with the Britts > because they were from outside America and they thought if the British won > the War the migration would be much slower or maybe not at all. However, > there were also Indians on the American side in that War, they must have > had some regard for us or they wouldn't have fought on our side. > Maybe it is as Geronimo said: "Our time has passed" > > I found a new cousin this week: Lt. Charles B. Gatewood b Shenandoah > Valley, VA 1853 buried Arlington 1896. Lieutenant Charles Gatewood is > almost lost to American history, but was recently revived somewhat by the > movie "Geronimo," in which he was a central > character. http://www.thehistorynet.com/WildWest/articles/1999/1099_text.htm > > Gatewood and Geronimo (the book by Louis Craft) is on sale at Amazon.com. > Book Description: The two pre-eminent warriors of the Apache Wars between > 1878 and 1886, Lieutenant Charles B. Gatewood of the Sixth United States > Cavalry and Chiricahua leader Geronimo, respected one another in peace and > feared one another in war. Within two years of his posting to Arizona in > 1878, Gatewood became the army's premier "Apache man" as both a commander > of Apache scouts and a reservation administrator, but his equitable > treatment of Indians aroused the enmity of civilian and military > detractors, and the army shunned him. In the late 1870s Geronimo, a > medicine man, emerged as a brilliant Chiricahua leader and fiercely > resisted his people's incarceration on inhospitable federal reservations. > His fight for freedom, often bloody, in New Mexico, Arizona, and Mexico > triggered the deployment of hundreds of United States and Mexican troops > and Apache Scouts to hunt him and his people. In the end, the United States > Army recalled Gatewood to Apache service, ordering him into the Sierra > Madre of northern Mexico to locate Geronimo and negotiate his band's > surrender. Showing the depravity and desperation of the Apache wars, Louis > Kraft dramatically recreates Gatewood's final mission and poignantly > recalls the United States government's betrayal of the Chiricahuas, > Geronimo, and Gatewood at the campaign's end. > > The Apaches called Gatewood Bay-chen-daysen, which translates to "Long > Nose." Tall, slender and Southern born, Gatewood graduated from West Point > in 1877. Shortly after reporting for duty with the 6th U.S. Cavalry at Fort > Apache, Arizona Territory, in 1878, he became a veteran Indian campaigner. > By 1884, Gatewood had emerged as one of Crook's handpicked subalterns to > bring peace to the Southwest. An experienced commander of Apache scouts, he > also served as military commandant of the White Mountain Indian > Reservation, headquartered at Fort Apache. > > On November 8, 1887, Tucson feted the victorious soldiers. During the > reception at the San Xavier Hotel, Miles' officers were all praised--all > except Gatewood. When asked about Gatewood's participation in the > surrender, Miles snapped that he was "sick of this adulation of Lieutenant > Gatewood, who only did his duty." Gatewood was conspicuously absent from > the celebration. Miles had no intention of being upstaged and had ordered > Gatewood to remain in Los Angeles. > > Gatewood's situation never improved. His assignment as aide-de-camp ended > on September 14, 1890. From then until his death on May 20, 1896, he > continued to perform his various assignments to the best of his ability. > But there would be no rewards. Whereas Lawton, Wood, Smith and almost every > officer who served in Mexico during the summer of 1886 died or retired a > colonel or general, Gatewood died a first lieutenant--the rank he held when > he negotiated with Geronimo in Mexico. > > > > > > > > josie > > At 07:35 PM 2/1/01 -0800, you wrote: > >Dear Cousins, > > I have made further changes to the the site, in order for > >people to find things more easily. Each of the Perimeters now > >has its own chart of included information, which I think will make it > >easier. Although the indexes are up, !! not all the links are > >linked!! In some cases the files are not uploaded, and in some > >cases, the files are uploaded, but are at the old locations and I > >simply haven't been able to link everything to the new indexes -- > >YET! Each of the index pages ultimately will have a degree of > >explanation of the new pages and their relationship to the perimeters. > >Each has a symbol which I hope will come to represent the Perimeter in > >your minds. When you see it you automatically will begin to think of > >that Perimeter and its specific data. > > While working on the pages last night, I came across a site at > >Rootsweb which disturbed me. I am putting up pages regarding Native > >Americans, and I found a link to the page Indian Captives, which I had > >visited some time ago -- maybe as long as two years, I can't remember. > >Several people had written in about the content, and the webmaster had > >commented rather definsively back that hers was not a forum for > >discussion but a genealogy site. I didn't find any genealogy there, > >but there may be some. Most of the site was stories which seemed to > >be undocumented, sensational stories written long after the fact, > >that described the "savage" treatment to captives. > > While my own great-grandfather was murdered by Indians in 1878 > >here in Oregon, and while I am a descendant of Hannah Emerson Dustin > >(of the Haverhill Emersons) who was a White captive who overcame her > >Indian captors in the 1600's, and while I have researched the story of > >Mary Draper Ingles of SW Virginia, whose story is also legitimate, > >many of the "White Captive" stories are not legitimate, and are only > >repetitions of stories with different names, and bloody details thrown > >in to titilate and distort 19th century ideas about Indians. Then > >these ideas are passed on, generation after generation. I feel it is > >very irresponsible to put up information on the internet which is > >insensitive to ethnic groups, as well as to others. Just as we must > >guard the truthfulness of our genealogy, we must impose ethical and > >historical standards to other information we put on the internet for > >general consumption. I am pledged not just to truth, but accuracy. We > >do not want to judge Whites, African Americans, or Native Americans > >(or any other ethnic group) by current cultural standards. But most > >of > >all we do not want to repeat errors, misinformation, and genealogical > >and historical sloppiness to perpetrate cruel, inaccurate stereotypes > >of any ethnic group. Native - White Settler relationships on the > >frontiers were extremely complicated, and need to be addressed in > >historically ethical and objective ways. > > The pages I will be including will have information on > >Native Americans in each region. We will soon be coming to > >information on the Cherokees who originally populated the NWSW > >Perimeter (NW North Carolina and SW Virginia) on down into northern > >Georgia -- which is why I am getting in this "rant" now! > > Please, if you have suggestions or comments, please write via > >the list. I welcome your comments on any subject. This List IS the > >forum for discussion of issues! We need to discuss how things are > >going, and if you think things could be done, differently or better, > >or if I've neglected to include something. We do not have to agree > >on issues, or politics! But we do have to refrain from stereotyping > >and generalizing about others. That is nothing more than name-calling > >and mudslinging. Also, the idea with American Crossroads is to > >search out genealogy and history to show the kinship that we have with > >one another. Giving identity to out ancestors is one way, and > >remembering to think positive, healing thoughts about our Cousins and > >Friends are others. I was so gratified recently when one cousin wrote > >to say she felt so close to another one even though they've never met. > >This is most definitely what I am trying to achieve with this site. > > Remember, the links are not working! This is just the > >notification to have you see the organization of the thing. > > The new indexes are: > >The Philadelphia Perimeter > >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Phila/index.html > >The NWSW Perimeter > >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/NWSW/index.html > >The Maryland Delaware Perimeter > >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/MDDE/index.html > > > >Love, Your Historically Correct Cousin, Carolyn > >Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com > >========================================= > >--- Visit American Crossroads --- > >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > ___________________________________________________________________ > josiebass@zxmail.com > 216 Beach Park Lane > Cape Canaveral, FL 32920-5003 > > Home of the *HARRISON* Repository > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/ > My Southern Family WWW: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/ > > LINDSAY & HARRISON Surnames & CSA-HISTORY Roots Mail List > GENCONNECT: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/indx/FamAssoc.html > > Data Managed by beautiful daughter Becky Bass Bonner and me, Josephine > Lindsay Bass > > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > >