Dear Cousins, The 2nd part of the George Washington pages is up. It begins referring to the people mentioned in the Diary and then will expand to include my notations on other early settlers who were in the Northern Valley of Virginia. These are the pioneering ancestors of those who ultimately made their way further and further into the south the west and finally crossed the plains to Oregon and California. Tomorrow I hope to have up the additional pages on Sherrando and Hopewell settlements, which was begun some time ago with the Virginia Migrations Pages: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Migrations/virginia.ht ml "Sherrando" was created from lands granted first to Isaac and John Van Metre (also Meter), whose son Henry is mentioned by GW. Hopewell is not referred to, but was created from a land grant to Quakers from Pennsylvania and Maryland, whose representatives were John Ross and Morgan Bryan(t). The new page is http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Potomac/GW2.html Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@centurytel.net ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads

Dear Cousins on the List: I am back, (SEMI-)functioning, after a few problems with my computer on the new service. The continuing saga of the migrating Backcountry People continues. Remember last time when we followed those bold adventurers on their initial forays outward from the Philadelphia Perimeter, riding the rivers into the New Frontier! Join with me now for the thrilling tales of yesteryear, as we learn why George Washington slept around at so many places, and the consequences of the same. I hope to have the second page up tomorrow which delves into our people and neighborhoods pertinent to this journey. The Potomac Crossroads: George Washington Slept Here: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Potomac/GWslept.html Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn My new personal address: Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@centurytel.net ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads

Dear Cousins! It has taken me twice as long as I had expected, and cost twice as much as I had, but I am moved! I will be collapsed for perhaps another day and I then hope to start moving forward again! Much love and thanks to all of you for your encouragements, concerns, and expressions of care. my new generic e-mail cte77285@centurytel.net Your Cousin, Carolyn ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com

Dear Cousins, Here is some of what I wrote Cousin Iz this morning re my move. Some of you may not know, but I am "Physically (and often mentally!) challenged! I literally collapsed yesterday. Trying to physically cope with the move, and participate and direct it with little money -- the pain grew worse and worse to the point I COULD NOT endure it, and could not stand or walk. Couldn't think. The two fellas who were supposed to help (one homeless, the other lives with the mother of both) didn't show up. My former next door neighbors (with the little boy who has brain cancer) came in the late after noon and it was getting dark. Have to walk about 125 feet to get to the truck. It's been raining too hard to get the truck closer. Oy vey! I have the truck one more day and still have to drive it 265, miles to "its final desination." I hope it's not my final destination as well. I have to go on disability, I guess. Can't take it any more. My temporary e-mail is cmacdee@excite.com With Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn McDaniel ========================================= To subscribe to the American Crossroads Discussion List: Send a message to: AMXROADS-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the body of the message --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads

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Found this cleaning out my file cabinet, thought someone mite be interested and get a grin <:)~~~out of it. Beej "100 Years Ago" The average life expectancy in the United States was forty-seven. Only 14 percent of the homes in the United States had a bathtub. Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone. A three minute call from Denver to New York City cost eleven dollars. There were only 8,000 cars in the US and only 144 miles of paved roads. The maximum speed limit in most cities was ten mph. Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, and Tennessee were each more heavily populated than California. With a mere 1.4 million residents, California was only the twenty-first most populous state in the Union. The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower. The average wage in the U.S. was twenty-two cents an hour. The average U.S. worker made between $200 and $400 per year. A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, a dentist $2500 per year, a veterinarian between $1500 and $4000 per year, and a mechanical engineer about $5000 per year. More than 95 percent of all births in the United States took place at home. Ninety percent of all U.S. physicians had no college education. Instead, they attended medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press and by the government as "substandard." Sugar cost four cents a pound. Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen. Coffee cost fifteen cents a pound. Most women only washed their hair once a month and used borax or egg yolks for shampoo. Canada passed a law prohibiting poor people from entering the country for any reason, either as travelers or immigrants. The five leading causes of death in the U.S. were: 1. Pneumonia and influenza 2. Tuberculosis 3. Diarrhea 4. Heart disease 5. Stroke The American flag had 45 stars. Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Hawaii and Alaska hadn't been admitted to the Union yet. Drive-by-shootings -- in which teenage boys galloped down the street on horses and started randomly shooting at houses, carriages, or anything else that caught their fancy -- were an ongoing problem in Denver and other cities in the West. The population of Las Vegas, Nevada was thirty. The remote desert community was inhabited by only a handful of ranchers and their families. Plutonium, insulin, and antibiotics hadn't been discovered yet. Scotch tape, crossword puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea hadn't been invented. There was no Mother's Day or Father's Day. One in ten U.S. adults couldn't read or write. Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school. Some medical authorities warned that professional seamstresses were apt to become sexually aroused by the steady rhythm, hour after hour, of the sewing machine's foot pedals. They recommended slipping bromide -- which was thought to diminish sexual desire -- into the women's drinking water. Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at corner drugstores. According to one pharmacist, "Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach and the bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health." Coca-Cola contained cocaine instead of caffeine. Punch card data processing had recently been developed, and early predecessors of the modern computer were used for the first time by the government to help compile the 1900 census. Eighteen percent of households in the United States had at least one full-time servant or domestic. There were about 230 reported murders in the U.S. annually.

Dear Cousins, I've been in the process of moving the first of my things into my new digs in Eastern Oregon. We celebrated my mother's 90th birthday. Mom and another friend who also will turn 90 this Sunday are both members of a Bookclub and we combined the meeting with their celebration of years. It is surprisingly comforting to have been a part of this, and to have been welcomed by so many old friends. The day after the Bookclub meeting was the weekly Community Senior Meal and I got to see many old friends. It is nice to think of being a part of my mother's days and routine. I brought my cats, Tom and Bill on this trip and they too have made a good transition, settling in immediately, and I realized that some of it was because I had brought a bed, bedding, and even an old robe which smelled "right" to them, even in the new surroundings. So intuition often leads us toward what we didn't plan out, but which was needed. I have a bunch more trips to make before the end of the month, when I have to be completely out. Attacks on one another are not acceptable. It's like cannibalism. So knock it off. Next time I write I hope to have my computers and my files moved (I'm using a friend's computer for this) and be able to move forward with the things I want to post about the system of Frontier Forts initiated by George Washington's frontier trip with Christopher Gist into the Ohio Country. Isabel, I hope to have some responses for you then, too! Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn cmacdee@excite.com OR carlsdauter@netscape.net ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com

P L E A S E -- P L E A S E -- P L E A S E LET'S HAVE NO MORE FLAMING. Life is short and we have so much yet to do. We have too much in common to let it be overcome by our personal agendas. Let's preserve AMXROADS for its intended purpose. Isabel

Exactly Jim, Beej since you criticized me directly in your message and you bev me tooed below is for you! Beej and Beverly, when you say: "Many times I am ashamed of the color of my skin, it is white", I feel sorry for you. For God's Sake, Go to Hamlins website (black talk show host of Denver Colorado) and get your self a Guilt Free Certificate. josie At 09:50 AM 11/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Now I'm really confused. Bryant Gumbel, God and Billy Graham's >daughter? Who are these individuals and where are they from? Anyone >seen any birth records? > >Pardon my skepticism, please. An overpaid sportscaster, the daughter of >possibly the second or third most dangerous man in America and the >collective wishful figment of all our weakest moments? Why are we >trotting these out as some sort of justification for anything? History >is the tale told by the victors. History rarely records the good folk, >or only mentions them in passing; they're only a birth record, a death >record, a recorded land transaction. Jackson, Lincoln, Sherman, Grant, >even Washington (who couldn't strategize his way out of a paper bag) >were all arguably sonsofbitches. It is precisely this that plants them >firmly in history. > >Life is short, and then your heirs throw out all your boxes of genealogy >materials. Why should we waste our time being apologists for anybody? >Zealous replies cheerfully accepted! >Regards, >Jim Cookman > > >PasaPeruva@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 11/11/01 4:00:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > > AMXROADS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > << From: josie bass <jbass@digital.net> > > To: AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [AMXROADS] Apology > > > > Carolyn, thank you for the apology, i have one request. Please leave out > > disparaging heated remarks about the South including Jackson from your > > post. It is very hurtful. I can't help but take exception to it. If you > > do say something please present the other side for balance. >> > > > > Josie, please let the dead stay dead and sleep in pease. They deserve this > > as well as we need to think good thoughts of them regardless of North or > > South -- Black -- > > Brown -- Red or White. > > When you speak of wrong doing just remember who came here looking for a > place > > to buy spices and did not find that. > > Who sent people to these shores as crimenals for stealing a loaf of > bread, an > > apple from a tree. These things are documented in legal journals in > England. > > Who kept pushing and traveling west when the King of England said not to > > travel acorss the mountains as that land west belonged to the Indians, > Native > > Americans and people that were droped off from a ship and told to sink or > > swim to the eastern shores of this land we now call America. > > Many times I am ashamed of the color of my skin, it is white, but > underneath > > it is many colors but I bleed red blood as do all humans. If you read true > > history men and women all intermarried a lot. Red, white, black, brown, > > yellow, cream and it is still going on. Now however they do not hide > behind > > a door or stay away from crowds, they mingle. Children learn to mingle and > > only when an adult steps in do they learn to be mean to someone different > > from themselves. > > If we as people do not start to let the old hurts dye our children will > pick > > up the gauntlet and carry it. The following came to me and I pass it along > > for what all of the list to read and put their own meaning to it. Beej > > > > Subj: Bryant Gumbel was silent. > > Date: 11/11/01 5:10:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time > > > > "...if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves > > and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will > > I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." > > 2 Chronicles 7:14 > > > > Bryant Gumbel recently interviewed Billy Graham's daughter. > > > > Gumbel: "Why didn't God stop this or do something about this?" > > > > Billy Graham's daughter: "For years we have told God we didn't want > > Him in our schools. We didn't want Him in our government and we > > didn't want Him in our finances; and God was being a perfect > > gentleman in doing just what we asked Him to do. We need to make > > up our minds -- do we want God or do we not want Him? We > > cannot just ask Him in when disaster strikes." > > > > Bryant Gumbel was silent. > > > > End of 2 cents worth....................... > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > >============================== >Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online--FREE for 14 Days >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1238

Now I'm really confused. Bryant Gumbel, God and Billy Graham's daughter? Who are these individuals and where are they from? Anyone seen any birth records? Pardon my skepticism, please. An overpaid sportscaster, the daughter of possibly the second or third most dangerous man in America and the collective wishful figment of all our weakest moments? Why are we trotting these out as some sort of justification for anything? History is the tale told by the victors. History rarely records the good folk, or only mentions them in passing; they're only a birth record, a death record, a recorded land transaction. Jackson, Lincoln, Sherman, Grant, even Washington (who couldn't strategize his way out of a paper bag) were all arguably sonsofbitches. It is precisely this that plants them firmly in history. Life is short, and then your heirs throw out all your boxes of genealogy materials. Why should we waste our time being apologists for anybody? Zealous replies cheerfully accepted! Regards, Jim Cookman PasaPeruva@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/11/01 4:00:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > AMXROADS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > << From: josie bass <jbass@digital.net> > To: AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AMXROADS] Apology > > Carolyn, thank you for the apology, i have one request. Please leave out > disparaging heated remarks about the South including Jackson from your > post. It is very hurtful. I can't help but take exception to it. If you > do say something please present the other side for balance. >> > > Josie, please let the dead stay dead and sleep in pease. They deserve this > as well as we need to think good thoughts of them regardless of North or > South -- Black -- > Brown -- Red or White. > When you speak of wrong doing just remember who came here looking for a place > to buy spices and did not find that. > Who sent people to these shores as crimenals for stealing a loaf of bread, an > apple from a tree. These things are documented in legal journals in England. > Who kept pushing and traveling west when the King of England said not to > travel acorss the mountains as that land west belonged to the Indians, Native > Americans and people that were droped off from a ship and told to sink or > swim to the eastern shores of this land we now call America. > Many times I am ashamed of the color of my skin, it is white, but underneath > it is many colors but I bleed red blood as do all humans. If you read true > history men and women all intermarried a lot. Red, white, black, brown, > yellow, cream and it is still going on. Now however they do not hide behind > a door or stay away from crowds, they mingle. Children learn to mingle and > only when an adult steps in do they learn to be mean to someone different > from themselves. > If we as people do not start to let the old hurts dye our children will pick > up the gauntlet and carry it. The following came to me and I pass it along > for what all of the list to read and put their own meaning to it. Beej > > Subj: Bryant Gumbel was silent. > Date: 11/11/01 5:10:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time > > "...if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves > and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will > I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." > 2 Chronicles 7:14 > > Bryant Gumbel recently interviewed Billy Graham's daughter. > > Gumbel: "Why didn't God stop this or do something about this?" > > Billy Graham's daughter: "For years we have told God we didn't want > Him in our schools. We didn't want Him in our government and we > didn't want Him in our finances; and God was being a perfect > gentleman in doing just what we asked Him to do. We need to make > up our minds -- do we want God or do we not want Him? We > cannot just ask Him in when disaster strikes." > > Bryant Gumbel was silent. > > End of 2 cents worth....................... > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Beej....this is a great expression of how and why things are as they are today...and how it all started for this country. Well put and God bless you. Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: PasaPeruva@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:52 PM To: AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AMXROADS] Re: Discussions of late In a message dated 11/11/01 4:00:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, AMXROADS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << From: josie bass <jbass@digital.net> To: AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AMXROADS] Apology Carolyn, thank you for the apology, i have one request. Please leave out disparaging heated remarks about the South including Jackson from your post. It is very hurtful. I can't help but take exception to it. If you do say something please present the other side for balance. >> Josie, please let the dead stay dead and sleep in pease. They deserve this as well as we need to think good thoughts of them regardless of North or South -- Black -- Brown -- Red or White. When you speak of wrong doing just remember who came here looking for a place to buy spices and did not find that. Who sent people to these shores as crimenals for stealing a loaf of bread, an apple from a tree. These things are documented in legal journals in England. Who kept pushing and traveling west when the King of England said not to travel acorss the mountains as that land west belonged to the Indians, Native Americans and people that were droped off from a ship and told to sink or swim to the eastern shores of this land we now call America. Many times I am ashamed of the color of my skin, it is white, but underneath it is many colors but I bleed red blood as do all humans. If you read true history men and women all intermarried a lot. Red, white, black, brown, yellow, cream and it is still going on. Now however they do not hide behind a door or stay away from crowds, they mingle. Children learn to mingle and only when an adult steps in do they learn to be mean to someone different from themselves. If we as people do not start to let the old hurts dye our children will pick up the gauntlet and carry it. The following came to me and I pass it along for what all of the list to read and put their own meaning to it. Beej Subj: Bryant Gumbel was silent. Date: 11/11/01 5:10:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time "...if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14 Bryant Gumbel recently interviewed Billy Graham's daughter. Gumbel: "Why didn't God stop this or do something about this?" Billy Graham's daughter: "For years we have told God we didn't want Him in our schools. We didn't want Him in our government and we didn't want Him in our finances; and God was being a perfect gentleman in doing just what we asked Him to do. We need to make up our minds -- do we want God or do we not want Him? We cannot just ask Him in when disaster strikes." Bryant Gumbel was silent. End of 2 cents worth....................... ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

In a message dated 11/11/01 4:00:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, AMXROADS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << From: josie bass <jbass@digital.net> To: AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AMXROADS] Apology Carolyn, thank you for the apology, i have one request. Please leave out disparaging heated remarks about the South including Jackson from your post. It is very hurtful. I can't help but take exception to it. If you do say something please present the other side for balance. >> Josie, please let the dead stay dead and sleep in pease. They deserve this as well as we need to think good thoughts of them regardless of North or South -- Black -- Brown -- Red or White. When you speak of wrong doing just remember who came here looking for a place to buy spices and did not find that. Who sent people to these shores as crimenals for stealing a loaf of bread, an apple from a tree. These things are documented in legal journals in England. Who kept pushing and traveling west when the King of England said not to travel acorss the mountains as that land west belonged to the Indians, Native Americans and people that were droped off from a ship and told to sink or swim to the eastern shores of this land we now call America. Many times I am ashamed of the color of my skin, it is white, but underneath it is many colors but I bleed red blood as do all humans. If you read true history men and women all intermarried a lot. Red, white, black, brown, yellow, cream and it is still going on. Now however they do not hide behind a door or stay away from crowds, they mingle. Children learn to mingle and only when an adult steps in do they learn to be mean to someone different from themselves. If we as people do not start to let the old hurts dye our children will pick up the gauntlet and carry it. The following came to me and I pass it along for what all of the list to read and put their own meaning to it. Beej Subj: Bryant Gumbel was silent. Date: 11/11/01 5:10:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time "...if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14 Bryant Gumbel recently interviewed Billy Graham's daughter. Gumbel: "Why didn't God stop this or do something about this?" Billy Graham's daughter: "For years we have told God we didn't want Him in our schools. We didn't want Him in our government and we didn't want Him in our finances; and God was being a perfect gentleman in doing just what we asked Him to do. We need to make up our minds -- do we want God or do we not want Him? We cannot just ask Him in when disaster strikes." Bryant Gumbel was silent. End of 2 cents worth.......................

For some true Southern sociology read these letters. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/THECHERISHEDLETTERSIntro.htm Carolyn, thank you for the apology, i have one request. Please leave out disparaging heated remarks about the South including Jackson from your post. It is very hurtful. I can't help but take exception to it. If you do say something please present the other side for balance. When you speak of how you hate Jackson for what he did on the Trail of Tears, at least he gave them a very large place of their own, Oklahoma, a dream of Sam Houstons. This was taken back by the new Lincoln government after 1865, because of Gen. WATIE's participation on the side of the Confederate States of America. Compare SHERMAN and his conquering of the West, totally wiping out tribes under the US Flag after the War 1865. (Wounded Knee, Geronimo). Now he is a piece of work! And Carolyn your comments on slavery are not fair and balanced, If this blight on our country for slavery is so great as you expressed then we share it with every other country in the world from the beginning of time, including AFRICA! That includes every country that has ever been, ever was, and country's who now at this very moment are operating with slave labor, including all the USA corporations, overseas merchandise sold in this country, and you yourself, because you buy it. A paperback book "The Slave Trade" The Story of the Atlantic Slave Trade: 1440-1870 (908 pages) written by Hugh Thomas, "a former Chairman of the Centre for Policy Studies (U.K.), he was made Lord Thomas of Swinnerton in 1981. He is currently a University Professor at Boston University. He lives in London." "After many years of research, award-winning historian Hugh Thomas portrays in a balanced account, the complete history of the slave trade." Chicago Economist, Robert William Fogel did a study published in 1974 "Time On The Cross", The Economics of American Negro Slavery. Fogel in 1974 was the only historian elected to the National Academy of Science. His results proved a surprise to him and a bone of contention for others. "Time On The Cross" challenges virtually every assumption that has been made about the management of slaves, their work habits, their domestic welfare. By revealing the profound extent to which racist misconceptions-northern at least as much as southern-have created barriers to our appreciation of the actual achievement of black Americans, Time on the Cross restores to Americans of all races a rich portion of their heritage." Volume II is a supplement to Time on The Cross and is subtitled Evidence and Methods, contains all source references, and comprehensive appendices in detail the technical, methodological, and theoretical bases for the writing of "Time On The Cross". Others have come behind him to debunk his work, but I do not believe they have, because sociology again proves him right. you wrote: He said, "What a country this is! A country that can make a mistake and the President of the United States will stand up and admit it, and say the country is sorry! Now THAT is a COUNTRY!" The South and a lot of others are still waiting for the truth about the War, Reconstruction, and the new lincoln party's control of this country to be told and admission for what it really was, we are still waiting to hear I am sorry instead of the constant Anti-Southern Bashing we are now subjected to. "Now THAT Would be a COUNTRY!" You appear to have caught the dis-ease hook line and sinker, but worse yet your posts appear to be acting like a liberal activist promoting their ideas, which you admit are taken from the prose of Faulkner with very little facts. He did like to sell books. You hold Burns TV series up as the epitome of truth. When it is a well known fact that Burns took poetic liberties in that PBS program, as all movie makers do. Folks, never base your education on movies and TV shows for profit. Likewise with the million dollar publitzer prize winning "Roots" by Haley which was proven to be a fake and belongs in the fiction section of your library. Proven by the British and all the facts of the fraud was published in England. As FOOTE said in Burns series when he could get a word in edgewise: "A Confederate Soldier when asked: "Why are you fighting? replied: "Because you are down here". josie At 06:26 AM 11/8/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Dear Cousins, > I must apologize to you for the messages over the last >several days. Today I have settled with my landlord, and my brain is >working better. > I feel that folkart, folklore, and follkways are intimately >connected to our historical pursuits. I love Wendell Berry's >poetry, and as I said, admire him for his convictions. His words >soothe my soul, and I believe that fostering community requires >passing on American writers, (and artists) their connection to their >own particular landscape, and their connection to our ancestors' >homelands and landscapes. I had hoped that you too might find >connection in this type of exchance, and in turn perhaps pass on your >own favorites and their particular insights and contributions about >our homelands. I had hoped these exchanges would stimulate discussion >and communication and connection. I still hope so. > I found "Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways," disappointing >in the ways I mentioned, but I feel, especially for those who were not >with us, it is one of those works which certainly bears discussion >again, as we did little more than simply mention it's implications for >the ancestral paths we are pursuing on the website. We still have >not thoroughly pursued discussion of that book's thesis about the >other British folkways. However, I do not intend for supplementary >discussions via our list to become wrangling over >rights and wrongs committed over the four hundred years of our >history, and most particularly I do not intend to participate in a >continual wrangling over and re-waging of the Civil War. > There is simply no right and wrong over the Civil War. It >was an American war. It cost over 600,000 American lives, more than >all the casualities of all other wars combined, and is the single most >devastating event in our national history. What was wrong in our >country was Slavery. Slavery is the most shameful sin of our national >history. There is no "side" in it. There is nothing "right" in it. > It is a blight on the American soul, and there will never be >anything >that can be argued over that. Nothing. In fact, that blight is >evident in the messages that have evolved from this. > The Civil War is a part of our National History. Our >ancestors fought and died, North and South. Their blood was red, >whether they wore blue or gray uniforms. The great PBS program Ric >Burns created several years ago was historically accurate, and was an >excellent summary of the devastating toll it has taken on our National >spirit. And, in the South, as William Faulkner put it so well, "The >past is not dead. It's not even past ... " > Faulkner, like other regional artists, renders a historically >accurate view of the South via in his personal medium (fiction) of >what I feel are the most valuable insights, nuances and >interpretations of the South, and the ongoing turmoil and racial >problems that still exist 150 years after the fateful confrontations >of North and South. One website states: "For Faulkner, every moment >of existence is pressured almost to suffocation by all that has come >before; the past is not past--it's present. 'There is no such thing >as was,' Faulkner once said, '--only is.'" > My scholarly pursuit is American Studies, which I have chosen >to interpret through genealogy and history. We cannot come to an >interpretation of our genealogy and history without understanding the >nuances of the lives of our people, and art and literature are a huge >part of this. We form, and take away our own opinion and >interpretion through all of these things. The better we understand, >the better our means of finding resources needed. These are not >always contained in expected places. The key to my Grandpa Smith's >lost patrimony lay in his father's relatives with other names, and >even more distant locales than any of us could have envisioned. It is >necessary to understand their motivations. > Nothing is debated, however, let alone anything resolved or >resources gained, by rendering our personal opinions of let's say, >Andrew Jackson vis a vis Abraham Lincoln. I said I found Jackson >less than admirable because he defied the Supreme Court's ruling on >Indian rights to their land. The Supreme Court found for the Indians; >Jackson had them collected like animals and marched off along the >Trail of Tears. His disregard of the Supreme Court's ruling was >stated: "They've made their ruling, now let them try and enforce it." >I believe Jackson's (and his land grabbing cohorts) treatment of the >Indians is yet another stain on our National soul. I don't see any >logical or debatable comparison between his character or his >presidency with Abraham Lincoln's. However, there is a great deal to >be learned about the migrations of our ancestors by understanding what >was churning in the background prior to those migrations. > I am a great believer in stimulating interesting historical >discussion. I apologize that this has not happened within this >circumstance, and I am especially sorry that I have been unable to >direct that discussion better. I hope we can get back on track with >helping one another toward better understanding of our ancestors and >their times, in order to track and find our missing links. > >With love, Your Cousin, Carolyn >Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com >========================================= >--- Visit American Crossroads --- >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads > > > > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

In a message dated 11/10/01 8:02:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time, AMXROADS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << And Beej, I still haven't forgotten you! Now in keeping with my landlord settlement, I have to be out of here by the end of the month. I have to displace two cats and move five rooms of belongings. AND, I have a book club celebration of my mother's 90th birthday, and Thanksgiving! Then Christmas! AND, I have a new grandbaby arriving in mid-January in Maryland, and I have a GENTECH 2002 speech to give in Boston the end of January! It's going to be a fun time. I need all the help I can get! >> Dear Lady: Do not worry about my research you have enough to keep you busy for the next 6 months. The last bit of help you gave me was great and the River Valley area is great. I had been there several times but it is hard to cover everything at the same time. It takes time to do genealogy research correctly. Now MOTHER'S are special and at your mothers age you need to give her all the time you can. My father died this past June at 95. Moving takes time, time and more time. If I were closer I would help you but I am in AZ. The baby is another need to be near at hand To bad that you have to move this time of yr. Do you have your waterways picked out? Do you have all you need for your migrations? If there is anything I can do to help in finding them let me know and I will see what I can do to help. I was on the Roads/Trails list that Beverly and Bob Whitaker had before it moved and found much to help the list with. I can look for you, send you the info to check and see if it is what you desire to use if you want. Matter of fact waterways was a source of travel for many pioneers. I have a book that tells of a family that had a special made wagon, it was shipped unconstructed down the Ohio river to the Mississippi and constructed in St. Louis and provisioned there for going on west. I thought it a very interesting bit of pioneer trivia. Another story told of covered wagons going thru wooded areas and to save the canvas from getting ripped and torn by the tree limbs they would take it off and fold it up and once thru the trees reapply it to the wagon tops. I had never given that aspect of covered wagon travel a thought, it sure seems very logical. May the Great Spirit Guide you in your goings and comings and working. I hope your mother is in good health and happy. Your cousin in research Billie Jean Reese (Beej) PasaPeruva@aol.com

In a message dated 11/10/01 8:02:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time, AMXROADS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << From: "Carolyn McDaniel" <cmacdee@teleport.com> Subject: [AMXROADS] Apology Dear Cousins, I must apologize to you for the messages over the last several days. Today I have settled with my landlord, and my brain is working better. I feel that folkart, folklore, and follkways are intimately connected to our historical pursuits. I love Wendell Berry's poetry, and as I said, admire him for his convictions. His words soothe my soul, and I believe that fostering community requires passing on American writers, (and artists) their connection to their own particular landscape, and their connection to our ancestors' homelands and landscapes. I had hoped that you too might find connection in this type of exchance, >> Carolyn: This is YOUR list and you can do what ever you please and/or post what ever you please. There are lists that do not want what you post to the list in way of 'folkart, folklore, and follkways ', I truly feel sorry for the list members as they loose out on much of what you mentioned in your Apology post. I for one say Go girl Go and let the chips fall where they will. If someone does not agree with you that is not your fault it is theirs for not being able to sift out past from present. What was fought for in any of our previous wars is now history and history repeats its self often. Persons have the privelage of posting their opinion but they do not have to get angry to do that. I for one feel you are doing a #1 job in what you are helping this list do. If someone feels they want to have extra words with you they can do that privately. Otherwise keep the scarcasunm out of postings. I print out all postings for a special note book on each list so that future generations can read what persons said and how they feel towards some subjects. No two persons feel toward things the same way and I feel sorry for those that can not appreciate our past authors of writings of poetery. Sometimes it is hard to cypher them (word meanings) out as the language from then to now is so different and many words have a completely different meaning, so those that can't think of long ago authors and the terminology used then they need to ask questions as to what is ment or ask what the author is trying to convay. A stupid person is one that does not ask questions. To ask questions does not make a person stupid, only someone that desires more knowledge to grow in. That is my 2 cents worth. Billie Jean (Ballenger/Burton) Reese PasaPeruva@aol.com

Dear Josie, Beej, Tom, WW, and Cousins on the List: I did not apologize for what I had written, but that our discussion had turned into an unwinnable and unproductive argument, and instead of bringing insight and unity as a family/community of American researchers, it was doing the just the opposite. I still believe that people can discuss these things. Here is the difference, Josie. I am not a Southern basher. I am a researcher, and I hope, a teacher and leader toward unity and community for people who have uncommon connection through common ancestral families. It does us no good to divide our contemporary attitudes into North and South. We are simply Americans. Our Northern ancestors moved South. Hiding the shameful things our country did, or even shameful things that our ancestors did, doesn't accomplish anything in trying to rebuild community NOW. How can I bear hatred toward Jackson? I don't. He's dead and gone. It is his acts I despise, just as I despise Slavery and the toll it took upon the American soul, Black and White, North and South. Whether we argue that slavery went on for a very long time in other places and landscapes, (which I agree, it most certainly did, just as maltreatment of women existed and continues.) That doesn't make it right that we practiced it here in America. I greatly admire George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson, and Robert E. Lee. All were slaveholders, and all were still admirable men, if one looks at most of their other actions and behaviors. I simply don't find Jackson a man of conscience, even though he was a good general, and certainly a great hero in the War of 1812. General Pemberton, who lost the Battle of Vicksburg to General Grant, which became the turning point in the South's defeat, was from the fine old Philadelphia Quaker Pemberton family, whose familial conscience was against ALL war. Yet I find him a man of conscience also. Giving the surviving Indians land in Oklahoma does not make it right that their Homelands were taken from fhem in order that Whites could speculate and benefit from its ownership. The Indians believe they sprang from the very soil of their homelands. Moving them was the same as ripping out their souls. They were decimated in the move. Marched without food and water or proper rest, and deliberately subjected to disease and conditions that were designed to kill them off. Genocide. Not just cultural genocide, but genocide. Josie, I know you earnestly believe what you write. My point is not that you are wrong, but these things are simply a matter of how we look differently at these issues. I hope we can come to a point where we blunt the edges of our beliefs, and see that things are not simply this opinion versus that, but there are many many nuances of opinion and interpretations of history. And perhaps see that these differing opinions bind us together also, as they did General Pemberton in his time and place. I don't know that we will ever completely agree, and the point of my apology is that it is pointless (!) to argue on the List in terms of who is right and who is wrong. That defeats everyone. If you want to continue the exchange, however, I will be happy to hear from you via my personal e-mail, not the list. I believe we have much in common in our ancestry and our love of our country. Just as all of us do. Thank you Dear Friend Tom for your positive comments on Riding the Rivers, and Cousin Beej for your comments, I greatly appreciate you. And Also, Dear Friend WW, I hope you will bear with the poorer aspects of List membership as well enjoying the great possitive benefits that come from participating in a community. This is a new kind of community. We are living in a new era. We need to embrace new means of relating to one another and maybe we can do it through embracing new means of family research. That is one of my big goals. As Charlie Brown philosophically said to Lucy one day, "Life is a series of ups and downs." And Lucy screams, "NO! I want nothing but ups! Ups! UPS!" Don't we all! And don't we all know it ain't gonna happen anytime soon! Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com ========================================= To subscribe to the American Crossroads Discussion List: --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads

You wrote: "Jackson is not a person I find admirable. He totally ignored the Supreme Court's ruling about the Indians' rights, which says to me that he didn't truly value our Democratic system." I will just substitue LINCOLN where you wrote Jackson and we will be in agreement. cheers, josie At 11:41 AM 11/7/2001 -0800, Carolyn McDaniel wrote: >Dear Cousins, > Thank you so much for your thoughtful commentary. No, Barb, >no one is offended! Yours are always considerate opinion. >Richelle, the way I see those special groups is as a means to >re-establish heritage that has been lost. In the case of Black >people, there has been the need to re-learn about African traditions, >in addition to re-connecting to one another in the face of extreme >persecution. These groups are set up to re-affirm their unique >experience and survive it. The same can be said for Indian peoples. >And Josie, we have had some discussions of David Hackett Fischer's >"Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways," prior to your coming to us. > The way I see Fischer's premise is that he ignores the the >diverse contribution of the backcountry. The backcountry people >(Swedes, Indians, Finns, Central Europeans, and yes, even Blacks, were >living together in the Delaware River Vally in the 1600's. A very >long time before the migrations into Virginia and the south and west, >and a really long time before Andrew Jackson. And frankly, I regard >Andrew Jackson a very hateful product indeed. It seems to me he was >far more interested in impowering well positioned friends to take >Indian lands for speculation than he was in doing anything for his >diverse constituents. Jackson is not a person I find admirable. He >totally ignored the Supreme Court's ruling about the Indians' rights, >which says to me that he didn't truly value our Democratic system. > The backcountry movement is what I most try to present on >American Crossroads. Fischer either ignores or glosses over the >backcountry's diversity as he tries to stick to his "British >Folkways." And Fisher doesn't develop any information of his own. >He borrows copious amounts of other historians' studies and works >plops it in his book, and re-interprets it to fit his thesis. > The studies we are doing RIGHT NOW at American Crossroads are >ORIGINAL. Your own families confirm its validity. The Holston River >in SW Virginia was named for one of those Swedish guys! John Hanse >Steelman, Abraham Pennington's friend, was either Swedish or Danish, >and many many Cecil County and Philadelphia Perimeter names and >history confirm the diverse nature of this culture that was in >existance long before Quakers or any other British settlement. >Christopher Gist's son Nathanial was the father of Sequoah, the famed >Cherokee who developed an alphabet which gave the Cherokees a written >language. Then we have the Melungeons! > We are rediscovering now that the American values that unite >us are far stronger and deeper than our differences. Whatever was our >long ago identity has merged into what we have become now. A >Japanese American I met last year was born in one of the camps where >his family had been interred during WWII. He was a recipient of a >monetary attempt the US government made to recompense the internees. >The money wasn't important. He said, "What a country this is! A >country that can make a mistake and the President of the United States >will stand up and admit it, and say the country is sorry! Now THAT is >a COUNTRY!" > >Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn > > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Dear WW, and Cousins on the List, To clarify the purposes of the our list and the website: I've tried to "reinvent" genealogy in terms of the impact of computer usage as well as the internet. It is an evolving process, as is everything else in life, and it changes quickly, due to the nature of the beast. Just as we are not the same people we were before the attack on our nation on September 11th, we are not static in our process of interweaving genealogy and history into the contemporary fabric of our lives. Nor are we static in ways of meeting the needs of our American Crossroads Community. Nor is that community static. I believe that is important. So -- genealogy is the principal focus of American Crossroads, but it is not the ONLY focus. Initially, my concern within the genealogical focus was that virtually all of the "genealogy" software took on a life of its own, creating relationships and linking families based on what what was typed in. Again, due to the nature of the beast, a lot of that came out in the form of gedcoms, was put onto the internet, into massive databases in the LDS church files, and circulated elsewhere. These did a lot to distort and damage existing research. My approach was to use the List as a communication medium and the website as a reflection of the resources and methodology I had developed and was evolving. It has always been, and always will be a work in progress, attempting to bridge the gaps and stay state of the art, but also to judge whether state of the art really means purchasing the newest version of Microsoft Windows, or Family Treemaker's newest most expensive Version 99.99999. My research methodology combines principles of both history and genealogy in terms of computers and the internet. I don't believe history and genealogy can be separated. There are several reasons. If one only copies the work and gedcoms of others and calls it genealogical research, then nothing new is ever uncovered. The work is stifled. Nothing is developed. Similarly, if the same ground is merely being covered one more time by a different researcher nothing new is ever uncovered either. The internet has given us a means of linking with others who have covered valuable new ground for us, if we but examine it in new ways. I am trying to walk a thin line, promoting the effective, scholarly ways and means of the historian to genealogists who are principally amateurs either in genealogy, or computer usage, or both. I have found people have become quickly adept at computer usage but it takes a long time to master scholarly, logical approaches to genealogy. It also takes time to learn how to use internet sources effectively. Through the List and Website, I am trying to be an effective guide for this vast community of searchers. I do this without charge, or remuneration in any way. I try to be specific, yet general! I try to be subjective, yet objective! I write to many people outside the List as well as to many individual List Cousins about specific problems and interests. I want to continue to do this and to treat the List subscribers as an extended community. I believe we are a great family and I want to continue to treat the List subscribers like that. Whether we disagree or not is irrelevant to me. What I am apologizing about is not disagreement, but about allowing us to get into a meaningless argument. Still, I would not unsubscribe anyone from the list for arguing. I believe families can disagree, but for this family, I think the disagreements should be of the nature of disputing sources, or disagreeing over methodology, or goals. I welcome your comments always. I don't pretend to have ALL the answers, only that I try very hard to pursue new pathways toward common objectives, and want to do that within a framework that I feel is effective and productive. Obviously I can't fulfill every individual's need all the time. Our next explorations will continue with the theme of Rivers and watercourse research, of George Washington and Christopher Gist on the Monongahela, of Gists's explorations and surveys for the Ohio Land Company, of others surveyors and Land Companies, and the next move into the Borden Grant in the Valley of Virginia. And Beej, I still haven't forgotten you! Now in keeping with my landlord settlement, I have to be out of here by the end of the month. I have to displace two cats and move five rooms of belongings. AND, I have a book club celebration of my mother's 90th birthday, and Thanksgiving! Then Christmas! AND, I have a new grandbaby arriving in mid-January in Maryland, and I have a GENTECH 2002 speech to give in Boston the end of January! It's going to be a fun time. I need all the help I can get! If anyone wishes to unsubscribe, the instruction is included here. Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com ========================================= To unsubscribe to the American Crossroads Discussion List: Send a message to: AMXROADS-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the body of the message --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads

You want diversity - we had it, we have always had it, and we continue to have it! In my new book "Albion's Seed" Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer, that is what he calls Andrew Jackson. This book is a tome, 946 pages, with some genealogy and the first in a cultural history of the United States. This book details and explains how North America from 1629 to 1775 was settled by four great waves of English speaking immigrants. The four groups differed in religion, rank, generation and place of origin. They were different in everything! Even different ideas of comity, order, power and freedom. Hackett shows that four British folkways in early America created an expansive pluralism which became more libertarian than any single culture alone could be. The Four: 1. Exodus of Puritans from the east of England to MA (1629-40) 2. The movement of the Royalist elite and their indentured servants from the South of England to Virginia (1640-75) 3. The Friend's (Quakers) migration from the North Midlands of England and Wales to the Delaware Valley (1675-1725) 4. The Flight from the borderlands of North Britain and northern Ireland to the American Backcountry (1717-75) In what time i have put into the book so far, it appears that most of the leaders and people of note who made America were actually from the elite and gentry of their particular area. As regards the backcountry, Hackett says, "Not all of these backcountry settlers were people of humble origins. Some had held high rank in the Old World. Their motive in moving to America was not to rise higher in society, but to keep from falling below the status which they had already achieved. A case in point was the family of Andrew Jackson, the first of many American Presidents to spring from border stock." "Jackson's campaign biographies have stressed the plebian origins of this popular leader. But in fact he did not come from poor or humble people. He always considered himself a Gent. His Irish grandfather, Hugh Jackson, was a rich man who called himself a "weaver and merchant of Carrickfergus, Ireland, and left his American grandson a large legacy. His father had been a well-to-do farmer near the town of Castlereagh in northern Ireland, and led an entire party of immigrants to America in 1765. His wife Rachel Donelson was the daughter of Colonel John Donelson, and was one of the most powerful men in the southern backcountry. She was the grandneice of Dr. Samuel Davies, a learned Presbyterian minister who became president of Princeton College." With this kind of backup the lady could do whatever she pleased. The same can be said of Lincoln, James Knox Polk (came from a narrow elite known in the borderlands as the "Ascendancy", The Calhoun Clan-John Caldwell Calhoun, The Henry family-Patrick Henry, William Penn's Delaware Elite, and so on an so on. In 1825 the "New Englander John Quincy Adams was President and once again the New England spirit of ordered freedom was brought to Washington by a moralistic President who favored an active role for the national government in economics, education and morality. These measures were strongly supported in New England, but Americans from three regions deeply disliked the policies of the Yankee President, and detested his political style." Enter Andrew Jackson 1829-1837. "Jackson's goals for the government of an "extensive republic" were the preservation of honor broad and the protection of liberty at home. By liberty, he had in mind the natural freedom of the backcountry-minimal government, maximal autonomy for each individual and no "unwarrantable interference" by the people of one region in the customs of any other." "The Jacksonian coalition was built upon principles which most Americans accepted, but many voters were deeply troubled by the behavior of President Jackson himself". The author, David Hackett Fischer was born in Baltimore, degrees acquried from Princeton & Johns Hopkins, has taught at Harvard and wrote most of this volume while a Harmsworth Professor of American History and Fellow of Queen's College, Oxford. According to the back jacket cover, "He concludes and explores the ways in which regional cultures have persisted in the United States from 1789 to 1989, and still control attitudes toward politics, education, government, gender and violence-on which differences between American regions are greater than those between European nations." Very interesting point of view. josie Josephine Lindsay Bass Confederate Southern American 216 Beach Park Lane Cape Canaveral, FL 32920 321-868-1771 My Southern Family, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/

Ms. Bass' point is well taken by me in the sense that I have come to believe that the concepts of cultural diversity and political correctness are in direct conflict with each other. Ms. Bass pointed out a good example of this direct conflict: In the name of what I believe to be an extreme sense of political correctness, groups of people are not being permitted to express their cultural heritage. And in, of all places, America, this is wrong. In my workplace there are workshops and events to promote cultural diversity, yet for only some groups. Some groups have "associations" so they have a "stronger voice." To me this is the conflict: Expressions of cultural heritage by some groups are seen as cultural diversity, while the expressions of cultural heritage of other groups are banned in the name of political correctness. These ideas when taken in the extreme, don't match, and I believe are dangerous because they erode the fiber of what being an American was supposed to mean. In all things, I personally believe people must strive for a sence of balance. Cultural diversity/political correctness have both become extreme, and rather than being philosophies that enrich us, they strip us of the expression of cultural heritage, and, I believe, ultimately our most basic freedom as Americans. This is very sad to me because the heritage of our country is that a large, diverse, culturally-rich, assembly of peoples came together to form something new, based on the philosophy that each and every individual still retained the ability to express their own personal beliefs. The fire burning under the "melting pot" has burned low. America IS a land of diverse cultures, the fire needs to be stoked so we are again, united. Richelle