HFAGLEY@aol.com wrote: > I'm looking at my well worn copy of Cecil O'Dell's "Pioneers of Old > Frederick Co,Va" at Abraham Pennington,of the Berryville,Va area, > "and" his neighbors. The names of several of his neighbors have been > mentioned an AMXROADS-L recently. Let me ask about 2 other neighbors > who also migrated to SC . The Lindsey's,and the Anderson's. A dear friend is > from I don't have an Edmund Lindsey nor do I have any Fishers but do have this on Lindsey: Again you can see the Penningtons, Kings, Starks, and Lindsey families going to South Carolina. Nearly all of this comes from The Reason for the Tears by Bobby L Lindsey. Also gives ancestry of Lindseys of Virginia as early as 1655. First Generation (John had siblings -- Thomas m. Mary Ragan, Hiermony, Robert, and James) 1. JOHN1 LINDSEY, son of Thomas Opie LINDSEY Jr, was born in Frederick County, Virginia (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 279). John died 6 September 1786 in South Carolina (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). He married ALSEY CROSSON (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). Alsey was the daughter of David CROSSON. He resided in Berryville, Frederick County, Virginia 1740, with brother James (Stark, James-Stafford Co, Stark Stafford Co VA, vol 2:page 809). In 1748 John LINDSEY was appointed Gentleman Justice in Virginia (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). In 1751 John LINDSEY was appointed Caprain of the Militia in Virginia (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). In 1751 John LINDSEY received a grant in what is now Clarke County, Virginia (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). In 1752 John LINDSEY was appointed to the vestry in Virginia (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). He moved 1769 to King's Creek, in Newberry County, South Carolina (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). John LINDSEY and Alsey CROSSON had the following children: i. SARAH2 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). She married THOMAS SPEAKS (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). ii. ESTHER (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). Esther died 1818 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). She married JARRED SMITH (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). Jarred died June 3, 1788 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). 2 iii. THOMAS. 3 iv. SAMUEL. 4 v. MARY MARGARET was born 1725 5 vi. JAMES was born 1728 6 vii. ABIGAL was born Ca 1730 7 viii. JOHN JR was born 1740 Second Generation 2. THOMAS2 LINDSEY (John1) birth date unknown (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). He married LYDIA KING (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). Lydia was born Ca 1757 (Stark, James-Stafford Co, Stark Stafford Co VA, vol2:page 813; The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280; and Rod Pennington, E-mail, E-mail, Rod Pennington). Lydia was the daughter of Charles KING and Charity PENNINGTON. Thomas LINDSEY and Lydia KING had the following children: i. ISAAC3 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). ii. SAMUEL (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). Samuel died Jan 5, 1818 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). He married NANCY [--?--] (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). iii. JOHN (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). iv. JARRED (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). v. CHARITY (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). She married JOHN GOULD (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). vi. POLLY (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). She married GEORGE WELLS (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). vii. JACOB (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). viii. CHARLES (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). ix. AILSEY (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). She married ELIAS D HAYS (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). x. KEZIAH (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). 3. SAMUEL2 LINDSEY (John1) birth date unknown (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). He married ELIZABETH FORD (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). Samuel LINDSEY and Elizabeth FORD had the following children: i. JOHN3 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). ii. JAMES (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). iii. CALEB (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). He married TABITHA [--?--] (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). 4. MARY MARGARET2 LINDSEY (John1) was born 1725 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280 ). Mary died 21 Aug 1751 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). She married twice. She married LEWIS HOGG Oct 7, 1747 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). She married JOHN LINDSEY (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). Mary Margaret LINDSEY and Lewis HOGG had the following child: i. JOHN3 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). 5. JAMES2 LINDSEY (John1) was born 1728 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). James died 1799 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). He married RUTH [--?--] (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). James LINDSEY and Ruth [--?--] had the following children: i. MOSES3 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). ii. AISLEY (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). iii. LEVICA (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). iv. ABIGAIL (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). v. SARAH (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). vi. RUTH (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). vii. JAMES (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). 6. ABIGAL2 LINDSEY (John1) was born Ca 1730 (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288). Abigal died Ca 1813 in South Carolina (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288). She married HUMPHREY WELLS in Frederick County, Virginia, Ca 1757 (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288; and The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280.Stark, James-Stafford Co, Stark Stafford Co VA, page 808). Humphrey was born in Maryland 20 Mar 1736 (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288. Birthdates for children of Humphrey and Sibella Wells' from Sibella's final estate settlement, 1762.). Humphrey was the son of Humphrey WELLS Jr and Sibella ELBERT. Humphrey died Ca 1782 in Richmond County, Georgia (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288). Abigal LINDSEY and Humphrey WELLS had the following children: i. SAMUEL3 (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288). ii. SIBELLA (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288). She married MOSES LINDSEY (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288). iii. JESSE (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288). Jesse died Ca 1812 in Spartanburg, South Carolina (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288). iv. HUMPHREY was born in Maryland 28 Feb 1758 (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288. Information on Humphrey & Sibella Elbert Wells' grandson Humphrey born 1758 supplied by Mrs. S. V. Leonard, 2203 12th St. SE, Decatur, AL 35601..Stark, James-Stafford Co, Stark Stafford Co VA, page 809). Humphrey died Ca 1785 in Richmond County, Georgia (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288. Information on Humphrey & Sibella Elbert Wells' grandson Humphrey born 1758 supplied by Mrs. S. V. Leonard, 2203 12th St. SE, Decatur, AL 35601.). He married ???? APPLING? Ca 1779 (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288. Information on Humphrey & Sibella Elbert Wells' grandson Humphrey born 1758 supplied by Mrs. S. V. Leonard, 2203 12th St. SE, Decatur, AL 35601.). v. JOHN was born 12 Apr 1760 (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288 also St Luke's Record). vi. GEORGE was born 1768 (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288). George died 1839 (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288). He married POLLY LINDSEY in Newberry County, South Carolina (Spry Genealogy, Spry-Elbert-Wells, page 288). 7. JOHN2 LINDSEY JR (John1) was born 1740 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). John died 1795 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). He married ELIZABETH HUMPHREY (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). Elizabeth was born October 18, 1742 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). Elizabeth died 1785 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). John was elected to the So. Carolina Provincial Congress November 1, 1775 -- March 26, 1776 in South Carolina (Stark, James-Stafford Co, Stark Stafford Co VA, vol 2:page 809). John LINDSEY Jr and Elizabeth HUMPHREY had the following children: i. AILSEY3 was born June 30, 1769 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). ii. CALEB was born March 13, 1771 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). Caleb died 1816 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). iii. HUMPHREY was born Jan 11, 1773 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). iv. JOSHUA was born Feb 5, 1775 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). v. JOHN was born April 10, 1776 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). vi. JAMES was born May 30, 1779 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280). vii. ELIZABETH was born Aug 17, 1785 (The Reason for the Tears, Chambers County, Alabama, page 280).

I'm looking at my well worn copy of Cecil O'Dell's "Pioneers of Old Frederick Co,Va" at Abraham Pennington,of the Berryville,Va area, "and" his neighbors. The names of several of his neighbors have been mentioned an AMXROADS-L recently. Let me ask about 2 other neighbors who also migrated to SC . The Lindsey's,and the Anderson's. A dear friend is from an Edmund Lindsey,who was paret of a SC->SW Ohio COLONY. Edmund married Barbara,of my own Fisher's. Edmund settled near Hezekiah Lindsey,who migrated via sw of Pittsburg,Pa to sw Oh. Hez's daus m Elijah Mattox,Jesse Swem,Jousha Brown,and Barbara Fisher's brother,John. 2nd,my wife's from John Anderson,of Charles. I think Berkley Co+ Cecil Co,Md's indian trader,Charles Anderson, was father of Charles Anderson,of very sw Pa

At 05:57 PM 3/3/01 -0800, Carolyn wrote: >This is just my idea, but I think "Hance" was simply >another interpretion and variation on Hans. Hi - I agree. If Colonial Swedes spoke as their descendants do now, they would have pronounced "Hans" as "Hance," not "Hanz." Then, written as heard by an English person, it would become "Hance" on paper. I wouldn't be surprised if this were true of the Dutch and Germans as well. Isabel

Dear Cousins, It is thought that Otho Othoson is the son of Gerritt Otto of Appoquinimink,New Castle Co.,Delaware. Gerrit Otte was born approx. 1634, Gelderland, Holland the son of Ott Tijsen and Marijke Gerrits. They were married 19,Jan.1632. Gerrit and Herman Otte departed Holland on board the ship de Purnerlander Kerck. the ship arrives at New Amstel on 3 Feb 1662. Gerrit Otto's household in the 1671 censu includes three sons; Otto, Walraven and Jan. Marilyn

I'm from Olaf Stille,and Ella Olafdater m 1st Peter Yocum,and 2nd Hans Manson. Those 3 lived on the west bank of the sp? Schulkyll River a very few miles west of what became downtown Philaelphia, [with Mans Lom,Johan Justice,the Cock's-COX, John Wheeler,etc. That Hans Manson then moved n e of Philadelphia,on the creek that divides Burlington and Gloucester Co,NJ. "Early Pa Land Records call him Mounsom. All his became Steelman . I can't quite pull from my memory where I know a Walling Williams from. Yes,many Quakers followed the Swedes to the Upper Potomac. Morgan Bryan and Alexander Ross were among the earliest. I noted Abraham Pennington sold his Cecil land to a Graham. And I've found often Graham and Grimes were one surname. Which brings me to the Jefferson Co,WV pioneer Honor Grimes m 1st Crawford,and 2nd,Richard Stephenson. Col Wm Crawford,tortured 1782's mother,Honor Grimes. I must see how far O'Dell located Pennington from Stephenson.

Swedes drank. What else is news? HFAGLEY@aol.com wrote: > > There was a migration to the Upper Potomac from,roughly,Harper's Ferry > WEST,IN THE late 1720's..They formed a turkey-foot-some down the n > Shenadoah,and some west on the Potomac,and some north up the Antedium. > Actually,Steelman and Friend were earlier,but about Fairfield,now Adams > Co,Pa-Md line. > So a Swede got a divorce. That was rare. Bottle troubles? Two of my Swedes > ,at least,were drunks by mid adulthood. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

There was a migration to the Upper Potomac from,roughly,Harper's Ferry WEST,IN THE late 1720's..They formed a turkey-foot-some down the n Shenadoah,and some west on the Potomac,and some north up the Antedium. Actually,Steelman and Friend were earlier,but about Fairfield,now Adams Co,Pa-Md line. So a Swede got a divorce. That was rare. Bottle troubles? Two of my Swedes ,at least,were drunks by mid adulthood.

New Sweden,1638-56 was a penal colony on the Delaware River. Escaping prisoners and servants often fled just west ,to Cecil Co, n e most Maryland. Even later,when the Quakers started pushing the pioneering Swedes from their lands near Philadelphia,Cecil Co was oft times where they relocated. In the 1700-10 era,indian trader Capt Johan Hance Steelman lived on the Elk River,in Cecil Co, where his grandfather,Olaf Stille's brother had fled. Olaf Stille lived in Moyamensing, or just west of downtown Philadelphia near my Mans Lom,and Lom's daughter's husband, John Wheeler. 1658 John Wheeler moved to the Sassafras River in s Cecil Co, with wife,and sons,Samuel,John,and Anders,and d 1677 on the Elk River,but leaving "Wheeler's Point" on the Sassafras to son,John Wheeler. 1700-10 era ,the Cecil Co Swedes contributed to the building of the Holy Trinity-Old Swedes Lutherian,in Wilmington,Del,and the church in Cecil Co that became St Mary Ann's Episcopal started with a Swedish Lutherian minister,Rev Auren m a Justice. "The 1693 Census of Swedes on the Delawares" Dr Peter Stebbins Craig,pages 46 and 47 has more. Stille,Lom,Steelman,Justice are my own lines. I worry about the transcribing that ended in a name Otho Othoson. Marylanders did use the Greek Otho, but not the Swedes,who added son to 1st names. Maybe it was Okay Okerson ? Guessing.

Here are two Peningtons found in Virginia 1799. Virginia Morris Brown ginjonb46@msn.com The 1799 Monroe County, (West) Virginia Personal Property Tax List Transcribed by Jeffrey C. Weaver, July 19, 1998 Name - White Penington, Wm 1 Slave 16+ - 3 Horses Penington, Wheler 1 Slave 16+ - 1 Horse * * * * * * * "A word of caution about the renaming theory. I had a Jeremiah who had 6 sons and 3 daus and "NONE of them named a child Jeremiah. I have found in my own genealogy that renaming patterns "only work about 50% of the time so don't rely on it. Often they are named for people other "than family. Also, I have discovered where people used their middle names and you will find "these on the marriage records and not their first names. "You have to be careful then it comes to names. The funniest one is the man who worked in a "body shop. He used a car model for the children's middle names--John Ford Jones or Michael "Dodge Jones. "Good luck. Eleanor * * * * * * * William Absalom Pennington (1784-1834) - (Possibly born in SC, NC, TN) - (He went by the name of Absalom or Abraham) - (Married (1) Sarah Rebecca Courtney (dau/o Thomas Courtney and Ann Robinson) in 1806 in MS) - (Married (2) Rebecca Ann Glover in 1828 in LA) - (Both wives migrated from South Carolina) - (Possible half brother is Hampton Pennington, and half sister is Jemima Donnelly) - (Fought in 1812 War in Capt William Watson's Co, 12 and 13 Consolidated Reg't LA Militia) - (Died in St. Helena Parish, LA) - I found a Absalom Pennington on the Greene County, Tennessee 1783 Tax List (note Greene Co formed this year from Washington Co, NC) (one year before my ancestor was born) (There is a John Pennington from this county who was a Revolutionary War Soldier in 1783 who possibly might be related) - I found a Absalom Pennington who married a Margery Perkins who was born in 1752 in NC DeeDee Sanders, 1440 Gwen Drive, Baton Rouge, LA 70815 * * * * * * * * * * * * According to History of Pendleton County W.Va. by Morton, 273, Richard Pennington (Eleanor) 1792 Children: Richard (Mary Bennett), Priscilla (Thomas Davis), ?Barbara 1798, ? William (Christina Mace) m. 1814 b. 1802 d. 1891. The date 1792 is confusing to me. This date couldn't have been the date Eleanor died because sources show that she was still living after this date. Richard & Eleanor Pennington to be paid $80 [October 8, 1814] comes from: Pendleton County Court Order Book No. 16: 1808-1814, p. 325. The 1792 could possibly been the marriage date, but again there is no record of this in the WV or VA area suggesting this. Which leads me to believe that this date could possibly be the date they moved to the Pendleton County, VA/WV area? According to the According to the 1850 Census of Tipton Co., IN, Jefferson TWP micro film it shows Mary Pennington the daughter of Richard Pennington living in the household of Robert Minnis (her son) and daughter in law Mary as being born in South Carolina. R. P. Minnis, age 51, no occupation, born in Va. and could not read; Mary age 51, born in Va., could not read; Sarah age 23, born in Va.; Mary age 17 born in Va., Rebecca age 16, born in Va., Margaret age 12, born in Va., and Mary Minnis age 82, born in SC could not read and blind. This is proof that Richard Pennington was in the South Carolina area during the period of 1768 before settling into the Pendleton County, VA/WV area. Which brings me to the Richard Pennington married to Hannah Boone? Another researcher I've been corresponding with wrote and asked me: Why are there so many references for the Richard Pennington who married Hannah? Boone and none of the one almost exactly the same age as our Richard Pennington who didn't. And the wrong Richard was in so many place ours was likely to be? I happen agree with her as you recall I've mentioned this several years ago; and practically got my head chewed off for even suggestion it and back off. But I will be looking a little into this direction. It has been speculated that Eleanor was the wife of Reese Pritchard, but we all know that Eleanor married to Reese Pritchard would have been to old to even have had children with Richard Pennington. Again no one has come forward with proof of this and it's one of the reasons poor Eleanor has been sitting in my data base with no last name. Debbie DBri185263@aol.com Wed Feb 27 04:54:21 2002 * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hi Cuz'm'luv -- I thought it was about time I sent off the latest accumulation. I hope your phone is collected, your furnace is running and your cats are purring. We try not to let out cynicism about the rest of the world get the upperhand. Take care. The Maimiac

Hi Everyone, I monitor this list trying to learn from Carolyn. I have enjoyed it very much and it has helped me many times. Thank You! I just noticed in the 1850 census, Indiana, Harrison Township, District 45 that it was enumerate by Dennis Pennington. I thought it might help someone. Mary Ann in Kansas

In a message dated 2/22/02 2:00:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, AMXROADS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << My phone was to be transferred and of course, was messed up so I haven't been able to post for several days. Thank you Beej, for all your posts and sharing. Before I started the big move, I ordered up a new domain name and have gotten the homepage set up, although none of the other pages is operational yet. More tonight! >> You are one busy lady, Carolyn, it was my pleasure to share what I found. I was not certain that you did not already have that info or that you took info, filed it, and waited for some connection. That is what I do with my surnames that I run across that are close to a direct line, familly wise. You certainly are going to keep us all busy as well with your posts, URLs, two sites to check on and your magazine. There are many genealogy magazines out that are very good but expensive if one subs to them all. Yours, however, for me will be a must for I know you and what your are striving for and how you help all your list members in one way or another. This means much to me and only a dear friend, cousin and list mother would do. Wishing you well in your change of residence and hope your health is good with all this going on. May the Great Spirit guide and keep you in your endevours. Beej

Hi Carolyn, Cousins and list menbers I was getting ready to do some census work online and went into my index print outs that I made last summer in IN. My sis and I went to several libraries in Henry Co. and in scanning some pages of my print outs on Henry Co., I found some Pennington's listed and pictured. I will list who I have found so far and where I found them. If you have this info just delete this post if you don't I hope I have helped someone with a Pennington they don't have. Beej Picture from new edition of Spiceland Township - Henry County, Indiana Cemetery Inscriptions (1824 - 1981) First Edition 1974 - Second Edition 1981 Published 1974 by Henry County Historical Society, Inc. Parkview Junior High School History Club, New Castle Book found at the Knightstown Public Library in Knightstown, IN. The picture is of a man and woman in the first auto ever driven down Spiceland's Main Street. The people are identifed as David (1814-1913) and Susanna Pennington Edwards (1815-1911) with no other info on page 148. In a book titled "Along the Banks fo Brook Bezor: A History of the Spiceland Community" 125th Anniversary Celebration October 5 & 6 1963 There is no publisher lised for this book only that is was a communty endevour by old and not so old residents. on page 3 paragraph 2 it reads Amoung those who were residents of the township prior to 1830 may be mentioned: the fifth person mentioned is Josiah Pennington. on page 9 second page of listing Postmasters for Spiceland shows the name of Levi T. Pennington July 27, 1914 The library copied the entire book for me 89 pages. I will take it to work with me this next wk and read it as I have ancestors mentioned in it also. There is another book The People's Guide A Business, Political and Religious Directory of Henry Co., Ind. Published in 1874 Each townships promenant persons were listed. I just copied my ancestors and I have none that start with a P but that is not to say Penningtons were not listed in this book is why I am inclulding it here. I have a contact in the New Castle IN. library and I will contact her and aske if there are any Penningtons listed in the People Guide and go from there.

I went into several of these books and there are some very interesting articles and history here. As history goes one can not say what is correrct or incorrect. The site is selfexclamitory.........Beej Hi All: I think this web site might be of interest to you. http://www.publicbookshelf.org/

In a message dated 2/15/02 5:06:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time, AMXROADS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Subject: [AMXROADS] Valentine's Day 2002 Happy Valentine's Day Dear Friends, Cousins, Loved Ones! >> Dear Carolyn: Thank you for the lovely Valentine's Day Greeting. You are such a thoughtful person. I do hope you and your loved ones had a Grand and Glorious Day. I can't seem to be able to say away from my new CD, 'New England Immigration 1620 to 1633' by R.C. Anderson, it is very adictive. I hope the rest of the list had a very good day also. I have Pres. Day off and can do more reading on the 1620 CD. May the Great Spirit guide you in your daily doings and keep you will. Beej in AZ

In a message dated 2/10/02 8:00:33 PM US Mountain Standard Time, AMXROADS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << One of the other features of the upgraded site will be my attempt (once more) to provide computer, internet, and software How-To help, in addition to my genealogy and history ideas. By the way, Beej, our Cousins DIck and Isabel whom I just visited in Maine, are in your age bracket and they also bought "The Great Migration Begins." Maybe they can give you some tips! >> Carolyn, cousins, list members I was surprised beyond expectations of this CD. It has more than I expected. I got into the Surname list and was surprised who they had listed and my Burton surname was there. Not sure that it is a connection or not yet, more research. Got into the reading of the what, who, where fors, and books that were used for research of this great series. So far I have been able to get where I want. The reading in the beginning of this was so interesting I spent 2 1/2 hrs reading and just thinking what a great piece of genealogy work. I plan to take at least 2 hrs. a wk end and read as well as check the sites out and see if there are any maps in this begining CD. When I first heard of this work I did not think it would apply to me when I read that it was New England Mr. Anderson was beginning with but the info is so good and over whelming and of general use that I am glad that I took the leap and purchased it. It has much in it that I would never find at all if I were going to the library doing the research myself. He even cretiques several books and gives each their short comings and where they fail or are of much value, where one is good in resources over another and that all three have valuable info if you know what to look for. For me the pennies it cost will be well worth the expenditure for this researcher. << One of the other features of the upgraded site will be my attempt (once more) to provide computer, internet, and software How-To help, in addition to my genealogy and history ideas. >> I will look forward to this section of your website as I have had no formal PC learning and anything in lay language is aways helpful. Carolyn, keep up the good work as I for one am learning places to go and new things to learn and you spark my gray matter to the hilt. Beej

In a message dated 2/9/02 3:00:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time, AMXROADS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: >>Thomas Mills and Elizabeth Harrold (daughter of Mary Harrold) were married on the 18th day of 4th month (June) 1730 at Josiah Ballenger's home at Monocacy, near present-day Buckeystown, Frederick County, Maryland."<< You have put in your writing another of my surnames 'Ballenger' also we have found that some places my g grandfather spelled it with an 'e' and also an 'i' so make us have to check out both spellings which makes it doubly vexing. << Beej, St. George's Episcopal at Indian River contains so many Burton records I am sure that this must be an early locale for your family. >> I am so interested in your mentioning the above as I search what I can but still have not zeroed in on the correct parents of my Burton. What Burton's I find I print out and file for reference incase they match up later. Will you have the following books in your site for purchase? They would be two that I will purchase if I don't find them in my lending library list at NEHGS. "Vital Records of Kent and Sussex Counties, Delaware 1686 -1800," by F. Edward Wright "Pioneers of Old Frederick County Virginia" by Cecil O'Dell. Your post was so informative and interesting and waiting for your website for Willow Bend Books to be ready. Your are such a neat person and I count my self lucky to have found your list and smart enough to have joined it. I recently purchased the CD of "The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633" by Robert Charles Anderson. RootsWeb has a Product Watch that I receive and they have specials and this was one recently. There has been so much talk about this beginning series that when I saw the price I jumped on it with all fours. I plan to get into it on Sun the 10th to see if it is what I expected to find in it. If you would like I can give you a small run down on it after I learn how to manage the CD. I do not right now know what to expect in operating the CD I'm not into using these much so it will be a learning process for this old bird.

Hi Carolyn and list, Welcome back from your journey. May I add a thought to your plea for proper procedure? My Dad, who got me started on this magnificent obsession, always said, "When you get to the horse-thief, stop." Ho ho. My research has taken me into Delaware! Finally a place that isn't Philadelphia! Has anyone come across the following names: Pleasanton, Rodney, Gordon (James and Joshua and Sarah,) Laws, DeWaele/DeWaile? The Delaware Genealogical Society published a book in 1985, already out of print, "Milford, Delaware, and the Milford Area after 1776." Does anyone on the list have access to this? It's an abstract from Deeds, wills and whatnot. A corrected index is out on the web, and of course there are copious references for most of the above-named. Also for future reference, I've a wealth of Rodney information: In my great-grandfather's genealogy notes is a Rodney genealogy, from a member of that family, which lists all descendants (up to 1918, when the document was prepared) of the first Caesar Rodney in the colonies. This was the father of the guy on the Delaware quarter. I descend from Caesar the Signer's sister, Mary. I have yet to digitize this content at all. What I have is a typescript on onionskin that is so fragile it crumbles when looked at. It's about 30 pages and the prospect of sitting down and keyboarding it is more than I can take at the moment. Sigh. But do sing out if there's anyone you're looking for. Jim, here in CT where winter hasn't come yet. Carolyn McDaniel wrote: > > Dear Cousins! > I have returned from the Eastern verge of civilization, and am > back once again on the Western verge! I find it's always good to go > away > and always good to return home once again. This trip was special for > several reasons: First, our new baby in Maryland, born on my > birthday. Then, the trip enabled me to meet with several > persons I hadn't met before, but wanted very much to see, and finally, > the ostensible purpose, to attend the GENTECH 2002 convention! > Victoria, our baby, is wonderful. Of course! What a joy for > a > Grandma whose other two grandchildren are in Australia. It was nice > to visit with my wonderful daughter Andrea and my wonderful son-in-law > Daniel. (They're a matched set, the three of them!) I also got to > see my son Doug and daughter-in-law Lynn. > While still in Maryland, one big present was getting to meet > one of our newer list members, Cousin John O. Pennington. I had > hoped to do more research, but wasn't feeling up to par so meeting > John made up for some of the missed agenda. Also got a chance to > visit my long time co-searcher Sybil Hampton. > On up to Boston, and the convention, then a chance to meet our > Cousin Isabel and hubby Dick for Maine Lobstah! I spend two of the > most > lovely days with them. Another cousin, Ric Blake and his wife > Dianne, whom I've been hoping to meet for several years now drove me > around Boston and then on up to Iz and Dick's place. Folks, genealogy > is most about just this: > meeting relatives and making connections with real people. What a > complete joy. This trip has provided me with family connection, > networking, and the meaning of community: Everything I've hoped to > promote with American Crossroads. It's been one of my happiest in a > very long time. > At the convention I gave my speech on the "State of State of > the Art." It's a much needed topic. It is increasingly clear to me > that > the state of the art is pretty poor in our sphere of interest: > Genealogy, History, and Technology. The internet has provided > access > to so many resources and possibilities, but people are not learning > how to employ old standards within the new technologies to evolve new > methodologies. How to improve? > GENEALOGY: Improve the state of the art by employing more > History (local, regional) in one's search. Copying down names, dates, > and events for one surname does not produce the results one needs when > in pursuit of the elusive frontierspeople from which most of us seem > to descend. When we study details about the other people of the > regions, > their motivations (and records) become clearer. Isabel has loaned me > several books, and one illustrates this concept: Petter Stebbins > Craig's book "The 1693 Census for Swedes on the Delaware." This > book spells out and interweaves the genealogy and history of this > unique area which spawned so many of us. The online pages of the > Swedish Colonial Society > has much to offer that emulates the tenor of the book. > http://www.colonialswedes.org/ > http://www.colonialswedes.org/Forefathers/FFPro.html > You may also find it interesting to visit the Historic Elk Landing > site for ideas about your own local preservation efforts, and the need > to search out local history in order to find your roots. John Hans > Steelman was an early hunter and trader. Some of the Hollingsworths, > who lived nearby, were among those migrating to Virginia, the > Carolinas, and on, always on. > http://www.elklanding.org/ > http://www.trellis.net/steel/steelman/johnhan.htm > HISTORY: I think "Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways," by > David Hackett Fischer is an excellent example of how including > genealogy in writing history would provide a more accurate picture of > the topic. For instance in Albion's Seed, the Delaware River > "folkway" is very skewed, as Fischer seems to have forgotten the > impact of the Swede/Finns, the Germans, the Dutch and many other > central Europeans. Again, in following the "Scotch Irish" into the > Virginia backcountry Fischer ignores the same infusion of these > "Others" on the "folkway." Genealogical studies would have pointed > up his fallacies. > TECHNOLOGY: There is so much wrong with the state of the art > in technology, it's hard to know where to begin. I believe that the > worst is the continual focusing on software which merely herds lineage > based families into one "improved, updated " (read more expensive) > version after another. Best is the the "Deed Mapper" type software > which enables us to plot with accuracy where our ancestors lived and > their proximity to people and places which gives us added, needed > insight into fresh interpretations about them. > These ideas will be expanded over the next month or so while I > try to improve communication about the focus and goals of American > Crossroads. I hope to be able to undertake more articles in other > mediums, establish a newsletter or some other type of American > Crossroads publication, and possibly even begin undertaking other > speaking engagements. If you have suggestions, on any of these > ideas, especially speaking opportunities, Iz will tell you, if you > make lobster and Indian Corn Pudding, I will come! > > Love, your Grateful Cousin, Carolyn > Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@centurytel.net > ========================================= > To subscribe to the American Crossroads Discussion List: > Send a message to: AMXROADS-L-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word subscribe in the body of the message > --- Visit American Crossroads --- > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Carolyn, This explains your absence for some time. I have missed you and wrote asking what was occurring. Now, you have set the concern aside. Thanks. What you have suggested is what I have tried to do on my own for some time. I have focused first on linking family members with family members--this man was the father of that man, and of that man; this woman was the mother of that woman, and this woman. If that is all one seek, well and good. Blessings on those who can stop with that and go on to other interests--often harder to do than to say. I also think one must include religious and economic aspects of those long ago people. In my lineage fthe movement was from the Episcopalian to the Quaker to the Baptist to the Presbyterian to the churches of Christ and tho who know what others. These links give insight into the movement of individuals in religous settings, vitally important to most folk--especially so now since September 11. Then, the shifts in economic condictions: worn out land in Virginia due to growing too much tobacco too often; leaving worn out land to find new places, but what to do about the Indians in the Ohio Valley and in the southland? Comes the wars and the victories, then the sale of land, the movement of the early birds, then the rest. Kentucky and Tennessee, then Georgia, Alabama, the the Louisian Purchase, then Texas, the to the Pacific, to Oregon.. All this linked with wars, with migration patterns, with means of movement from walking and horse riding to wagons to the Conestoga wagon, the steamboats, on and on. Of course, we will never learn it all. But, so much more is available than just that John and Mary were the parents of Bob and Suzy, and Bob and Suzy married Jane and Dick. Well, so much. I understand the goals you seek and wish you well. In spite of all that is there on internet, it also seems to me we must not forget that genealogy ultimately involves the patient perusal of deeds, wills, court proceedings, marriages, perhaps jails and related events in the lives of ordinary people. Too few, it seems to me, have opportunity or take the time and pay the expense to go to a rich area where their families once lived, see the hills and valleys they loved, see the creeks where they fished, and all the rest. Then we can almost see these folks. That, I feel, is genealogy. Well, glad you are back. Best wishes, William Woodson ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn McDaniel <cmacdee@centurytel.net> To: <AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: [AMXROADS] State of State of the Art > Dear Cousins! > I have returned from the Eastern verge of civilization, and am > back once again on the Western verge! I find it's always good to go > away > and always good to return home once again. This trip was special for > several reasons: First, our new baby in Maryland, born on my > birthday. Then, the trip enabled me to meet with several > persons I hadn't met before, but wanted very much to see, and finally, > the ostensible purpose, to attend the GENTECH 2002 convention! > Victoria, our baby, is wonderful. Of course! What a joy for > a > Grandma whose other two grandchildren are in Australia. It was nice > to visit with my wonderful daughter Andrea and my wonderful son-in-law > Daniel. (They're a matched set, the three of them!) I also got to > see my son Doug and daughter-in-law Lynn. > While still in Maryland, one big present was getting to meet > one of our newer list members, Cousin John O. Pennington. I had > hoped to do more research, but wasn't feeling up to par so meeting > John made up for some of the missed agenda. Also got a chance to > visit my long time co-searcher Sybil Hampton. > On up to Boston, and the convention, then a chance to meet our > Cousin Isabel and hubby Dick for Maine Lobstah! I spend two of the > most > lovely days with them. Another cousin, Ric Blake and his wife > Dianne, whom I've been hoping to meet for several years now drove me > around Boston and then on up to Iz and Dick's place. Folks, genealogy > is most about just this: > meeting relatives and making connections with real people. What a > complete joy. This trip has provided me with family connection, > networking, and the meaning of community: Everything I've hoped to > promote with American Crossroads. It's been one of my happiest in a > very long time. > At the convention I gave my speech on the "State of State of > the Art." It's a much needed topic. It is increasingly clear to me > that > the state of the art is pretty poor in our sphere of interest: > Genealogy, History, and Technology. The internet has provided > access > to so many resources and possibilities, but people are not learning > how to employ old standards within the new technologies to evolve new > methodologies. How to improve? > GENEALOGY: Improve the state of the art by employing more > History (local, regional) in one's search. Copying down names, dates, > and events for one surname does not produce the results one needs when > in pursuit of the elusive frontierspeople from which most of us seem > to descend. When we study details about the other people of the > regions, > their motivations (and records) become clearer. Isabel has loaned me > several books, and one illustrates this concept: Petter Stebbins > Craig's book "The 1693 Census for Swedes on the Delaware." This > book spells out and interweaves the genealogy and history of this > unique area which spawned so many of us. The online pages of the > Swedish Colonial Society > has much to offer that emulates the tenor of the book. > http://www.colonialswedes.org/ > http://www.colonialswedes.org/Forefathers/FFPro.html > You may also find it interesting to visit the Historic Elk Landing > site for ideas about your own local preservation efforts, and the need > to search out local history in order to find your roots. John Hans > Steelman was an early hunter and trader. Some of the Hollingsworths, > who lived nearby, were among those migrating to Virginia, the > Carolinas, and on, always on. > http://www.elklanding.org/ > http://www.trellis.net/steel/steelman/johnhan.htm > HISTORY: I think "Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways," by > David Hackett Fischer is an excellent example of how including > genealogy in writing history would provide a more accurate picture of > the topic. For instance in Albion's Seed, the Delaware River > "folkway" is very skewed, as Fischer seems to have forgotten the > impact of the Swede/Finns, the Germans, the Dutch and many other > central Europeans. Again, in following the "Scotch Irish" into the > Virginia backcountry Fischer ignores the same infusion of these > "Others" on the "folkway." Genealogical studies would have pointed > up his fallacies. > TECHNOLOGY: There is so much wrong with the state of the art > in technology, it's hard to know where to begin. I believe that the > worst is the continual focusing on software which merely herds lineage > based families into one "improved, updated " (read more expensive) > version after another. Best is the the "Deed Mapper" type software > which enables us to plot with accuracy where our ancestors lived and > their proximity to people and places which gives us added, needed > insight into fresh interpretations about them. > These ideas will be expanded over the next month or so while I > try to improve communication about the focus and goals of American > Crossroads. I hope to be able to undertake more articles in other > mediums, establish a newsletter or some other type of American > Crossroads publication, and possibly even begin undertaking other > speaking engagements. If you have suggestions, on any of these > ideas, especially speaking opportunities, Iz will tell you, if you > make lobster and Indian Corn Pudding, I will come! > > Love, your Grateful Cousin, Carolyn > Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@centurytel.net > ========================================= > To subscribe to the American Crossroads Discussion List: > Send a message to: AMXROADS-L-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word subscribe in the body of the message > --- Visit American Crossroads --- > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dear Friend WW! This is wonderful! How did this William and Mary Quarterly site escape me? Thank you so very much for this address. This is a marvelous help for any Virginia researcher. The WMQ is how I first got onto the origins of my Virginia Smith Ancestry. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/wmmaryqtr/index.htm By the way, you don't seem to realize our messages have been through the list! Aren't you glad we're so eloquent? And sweetly remarked? Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn