Dear Maineac Cousin, and Cousins on the List! I have some answers but not all on those questions and comments. The principal answer to Pennington questions lies in the fact that: (a) Not bragging(!!) I know more Pennington genealogical answers than the Pennington Organization that gets paid to have (at least) some answers and does (in fact) not. (b) Many of the people asking the questions have bet on the wrong horse. They need to watch the dark horse, comming up fast on the inside! The 1799 Wheler and William of Monroe County VA, now WVA, are our Cousin Ric Blake's ancestors, and are well documented after that time by Ric and the group of interested searchers he formed. Ric and Cousin Sybil Hampton wrote a book on these descendants. We know they came from Cecil County Maryland. We know because of the names they are most likely descendants of Otho and William, Richard Pennington and Mary Wheeler's orphans, under the guardianship of Otho Othoson. Otho Othoson calls them his grandsons. This is also the most likely Pennington line for my own problem Pennington/Pembertons of Baltimore county, for after my ancestor John Pennington and a putative brother Jesse served in the War of 1812 from Baltimore County, he and Jesse along with several other putative siblings: Richard, William, and Allen can all be found huddled together in where Belmont, Guernsey, and Harrison counties come together in Ohio. Like Sybil and Ric's Wheeler and William, the Cecil links to these Penningtons are both tantalizingly clear in the names, but the supporting data is missing to tie them to a specific Cecil County ancestor. I have a few ideas why and where, but e-mail is too difficult to try and explain. Helping Ric solve this puzzle this year is my primary research goal for 2002. The Richard who married Hannah Boone is not well documented at all, as Debbie suggests, as she seeks to find antecedents for her Richard, of Pendleton county. In actuality, I don't know of any information about him until after he married Hannah Boone. He drops out of the sky into North Carolina along the shallow ford of the Yadkin river. Most give him a birthplace of Pennsylvania, but I don't think so. I think he is also of Cecil county. Again, the research needed to show where both these Richards really came from has not been done, and is not being facilitated by the ones with the bucks to do it. Naming is not always by pattern, but in colonial times, names usually do keep reappearing in families in consistent ways. After 1800, this seems to change somewhat, as families were more on the move, and were beginning to use middle names with more frequency. But even then, I find names are still used in ways that reflect the particular family's connection to their roots. In almost all of the cases where names are used in mysterious or inconsistent ways, I find that it is because the identity has been misinterpreted or distorted in some way. In the backcountry people the influence of Dutch, Swede/Finns, and Welsh patronymics drastically changes both contemporary spellings and English type name patterns. In modern times, the indexers and interpreters (researchers) tend to misread the ancient writing and mispellings. The only solution to these inherent problems (or at least a pathway to the solution) is to use a broader form of research, such as I suggest and employ! Following one name will not resolve the problem of identity. The researcher needs to become equally familiar with the kinship families who surround their target ancestor, and this will produce the additional clues needed. I am still pouring over all those Delaware and Swede/Finn books you loaned me, Iz! Today, in hot pursuit of my Strother/Smith ancestors, I found a census indexer had denoted John Strother as John Shother, living next door to John Smith in Henry County, KY on the 1850 census. THIS may be the family I need for my ancestor! I only found this by literally crawling over the census listings for Smiths in Henry County. My ancestor was born about 1855, so he should appear on the 1860 census, but again, I have not found a family either in Missouri or Kentucky that fits him precisely. I know he was born in Kentucky, but he lived in Missouri prior to coming to Oregon in time to fall in the path of the bloody Bannocks in 1878. More census crawling is needed! I am using ancestry's online images, which are great for poor backcountry researchers like me, stuck out in the boonies without a genealogy library or even a microfilm reader. Ancestry.com has some great databases, but recently with their addition of HTML coding for "comments" of each two or three line entry in many of the databases, it makes it nearby impossible to utilize their information properly. I take the information and save it in a temporary text file which then can be manipulated into my own databases for comparison and study in a spreadsheet. BUT, it is time consuming, and irritating that Ancestry.com is defeating the effective use of online data collections. I'll be putting up a study of the Strother/Smith identity results, which I hope might be a helpful format for others. Won't it be nice if I finally solve a 150 year old mystery with my methodology??? Maybe the same for the Richards and Abrahams Penningtons. Then on to the Atkeys!!!! The cats are fine, but whining about going outside now that it's getting warmer. They run around outside, rubbing and rolling in the dirt and on the warm brick walkway from the backdoor. Then they come back inside to use their kitty litter! Crazy things! We are about 85% moved into the front "Big" house, and the remaining 15% is strewn over two sheds, the rear "Little House," and the 100 feet between all. This strewing is due to having injected genealogy mania into the midst of moving mania. If it's nice tomorrow I'm forgetting the townie stuff and heading to the mountains for my first cabin visit, which I plan to start rebuilding this year. Just around the bend, the Great Green Celtic invasion, local version, and much Great Green Diversion of primary purpose. Love, your Manic Mountain Momma Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@centurytel.net ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads --- Visit Backcountry Crossroads --- http://www.backcountrycrossroads.com

Dear Cousins, You would do well to check out the work of Lee Minnis, who has put a copious amount of genealogy at his website, called Lee's Links I and II. At the first site are the families of William Yate; Robert Morgan; Stephen Johnson; Joseph Gill;Joseph Parker; Randel McDonald;Alexander Bell;Jacob Crider; James Ross;John Kirkpatrick; William Spurgin; George Moore;Thomas Browning;James Minnis; at the second William Grant, William Strother, and Peter Perkins. http://home.att.net/~mlminnis/ Many of these families are very critical to the history of the backcountry. We find In the Strother family, for instance, the interconnection of Madisons, Washingtons, Zachary Taylor, the Taliaferros, and the Smith/Preston family of Augusta County, Virginia. This is important for me because my grandfather George Strather/Strother Smith was born posthumously after his father and namesake was murdered during the 1878 Bannock War in Eastern Oregon. Tracking Smiths is hard enough, but tracking these Smiths has taken me over 30 years. I am (almost!) certain the ones who are my family were among the earliest settlers in Trimble and Henry counties in northern Kentucky, and one, whom I believe was my ancestor, Park(e) Smith, met his demise in Kentucky, and I have speculated he too may have met his fate at the hands of the Indians in that era. Parke Smith was the brother of Susanna Smith, who married William Preston of Augusta county Virginia fame, and the son of Francis Smith, the gentleman carpenter of Hanover County. These too, are the Virginia families on which Edward Pleasants Valentine based his research and produced the EPV Papers in 4 wonderful volumes. Lee Minnis has good information on the interrelationships of many of the backcountry families, and a look at his pages will provide good clues for further research, even if you don't find a specific ancestor there. Thanks, Mary Ann for your clue about Dennis Pennington's Indiana census involvement. Dennis was one of the first settlers of that region, and is pretty famous in the Pennington family. It is always nice to see information that humanizes our ancestors and makes them more real to us. And thanks especially for the comments about the List. It's nice to know that you find it helpful. Sharing and caring is the name of our game, and you managed to get two nice hits in those departments! It snowed here this morning and now the sun is shining! The snow, or moisture content at least, is much needed for our local farmers and also for the mountain mushroom crop that we hope to begin enjoying in a couple of months. I am hot at the design of the new Backcountry Crossroads pages and am working hard to get the bookstore set up this week. If we order together, I can promise some meaningful discounts for your genealogy and history book purchases. How does 20% sound??!! Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@centurytel.net ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads --- Visit Backcountry Crossroads --- http://www.backcountrycrossroads.com

Dear Cousins on the List In colonial research, the most frustrating part of tracking ancestors is figuring out who and where they were. As researchers we know that records that portray these people were almost always written by others. The original documents of "average" colonial families were few and far between and so their records are most often found in county, church or military documents that were written by Others. Identitying who they were according to these records is a great and often frustrating challenge, but it is a fun challenge too. Ancestors were very much on the move in the 18th century, as they moved their names were misinterpreted in new and different ways from the old misinterpretations! Then their misinterpreted names are misinterpreted again by a couple of centuries by transcribers! In this period the problems are compounded by names being pronounded in ways that we can't even imagine by that strange melange of English speaking, German speaking, Dutch speaking, Gaelic speaking, (etc.) group that formed the Backcountry society. As these Backcountry people moved they were on the fringe of civilization. They were often beyond the frontier; they were ones who pushed the frontier west and south. So, when they moved, their land was sometimes not recorded, and then, where they were moving was often in dispute. All along the frontier -- Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, Carolina borders, the borders changed, leaving settlers unsure of what colony their land was in. Parts of these areas became West Virginia, Ohio, Ky, North and South Carolina, but also, as time moved on and disputes were settled, land that had been considered to be in Pennsylvania was ultimately considered Virginia. Land that was considered Maryland became Pennsylvania, and so on. Then, as border disputes were settled the parent counties in each of these colonies began to be divided into subareas and new counties formed. It is crazy-making! In our present focus on the NW/SW Perimeter, Rowan County in northwest Carolina was restructured into almost countless new counties, continuing into the mid-1800's. The early Rowan county tax lists are extant from the 1750's. Because of all these factors in figuring who and where has resulted in failure to properly identify individuals in this region. The internet is providing us the means to recheck assumptions made by searchers as long as 30 years ago (maybe longer!), myself included. Thirty years ago when I first began researching my families, I never felt I had any NC connections. I never felt I had any Maryland connections either, which ultimately was where I discovered my Penningtons came from. I was wrong, and now I feel my Penningtons had connections to the NC Penningtons that are still shrouded in mystery, but the fog is beginning to lift! The next page at the website will include ideas and examples on how to overcome Identity problems from both misidentification factors: misidentification from name variants, and misidentification from locality. Most often I use Penningtons as the central focus, but I use them as a generic identity. Penningtons are simply the focus. You can employ the same tactics with any other Backcountry family because their associations, their kinship, and their migrations follow the same patterns. I've found that in determining identity for one family you often also discover the identity of many others. Stay tuned to this station for updates! Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads

Dear Cousins, I've just loaded a Baltimore County, MD locality and family summary. It is centered around Penningtons, but my desire is to describe relationships with with the other families found there. Some of the Baltimore county families are from Pennsylvania, and many many migrated down into Virginia and the Carolinas. This page seeks to provide another link in the chain. It is always amazing to me to rediscover how mobile these families were. The migrations to Virginia began in the 1720's when the "Crossroads" were little more than wild animal paths the Indians first followed. Imagine taking one's family into such wilderness. Baltimore county itself was little developed itself at the beginning of the 18th century. There are several early tax compilations for Baltimore, however, and I have been checking the ones between 1701 and 1706 when several Penningtons first appear there who do not seem to be linked to various known Pennington families of the time. My own family seems to be one which springs from a Henry Pemberton. Later, remnants of these Pembertons seem to be listed as Pennington, and by the time my ancestor served in the War of 1812, most of the ones in what would become Carroll County in the 1830's (The Upper Delaware Hundred) were using that spelling, while others who had moved eastward toward Baltimore into Soldier's Delight Hundred still retained Pemberton. This Pennington/Pemberton family had connections to Randalls, Choates, Odells, Owings, Bakers, etc., who moved to the Virginia Southside beginning in Lunenburg county. These same families are also found in North Carolina. Other Penningtons migrated first west into Pennsylvania or Maryland and then into the Valley of Virginia -- just as most of the early migrants did, especially the Quakers. You may want to recheck the Virginia Migrations pages. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Migrations/virginia.ht ml Next page up will return to Levi Pennington, the Quaker, as an example of how to employ the various "new methodologies" as a means of examining and determining identity. The Baltimore County page is at: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Balto/famsum.html There also two contemporary paintings of Josias Pennington's Mill and Plantation by Francis Guy. These are a part of the wonderful historic paintings owned by the State of Maryland, and viewable online through the Maryland Archives. The paintings are a lovely means to try and gain better understanding of everyday facets of colonial life. These are http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Balto/page2.html http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Balto/page3.html Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads ---

Dear Cousins, Before we "go off the air" for awhile today, I thought I would send you this webpage's URL: http://www.trellis.net/steel/steelman/essayon.htm This site has a thoughtful recitation of the details on a Steelman family from Kent County, DE in the mid-1700's, who ultimately moved to Surry Co., NC. The Steelman name was Swedish, and they were remnants of those Swede-Finns who had settled along the Delaware long before William Penn was of age. The Steelman genealogy is complicated by the use of patronymics, and the difficulty of identifying which generation used them, which individual didn't, etc. However, these searchers have looked at Kent Co., DE and upriver in NJ where the origins were. Where they haven't looked is Cecil County, MD where Hans Steelman was apparently a friend of Abraham Pennington. He and Henry Hollingsworth witnessed a deed from William Teague to Abraham Pennington. From land records I have abstracted: "p. 284 14 May 1714 William Teague of Baltimore county, planter to Abraham Pennington. 160 acres taken up by Edward Teague, William's father. Saw Branch running into Hunago Creek on the east side of the Susquehenna River. Wit Hans Steelman Henry Hollingsworth" Both Henry Hollingsworth and Hans Steelman's migratory paths followed Abraham Pennington's, for Hans Steelman also witnessed another deed for Abraham when he was along the Monocacy in Frederick county MD, and Henry Hollingsworth and his family moved to Orange/Frederick County VA, as did Abraham's family. This makes a good case for the Steelmans of Kent Co., DE to be part of the Steelmans of Cecil Co., MD, which is right beside Kent Co., DE. Additionally there are names that suggest links to the Matson/ Mathiason family of Cecil County, who renamed themselves Freeman, and were linked to the Penningtons. What I hope is that by examining perimeter identity, kinship, locality and history, rather than just a part of the picture we can solve big puzzles for all the families who were living together in a particular time. Solving puzzles about the Steelmans and the Hollingsworths (and other Philadelphia Perimeter families) help us solve puzzles for Penningtons, Smiths, Watts, etc. More when we're back online! Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads

2/22/01 8:40pm EST Carolyn, >Your quote says more succinctly what I wanted to impart. I am hopeful of >getting some good history compiled on these issues to be put on the >website. Do you have a special interest? If so, I would welcome your >further imput or articles.. I don't really have any special interests at this time....just wanted a clarification on that statement. Certainly co enjoy your submissions. Larry Shahan Kodak, TN

Dear Cousins on the List, The List and our host, Rootsweb, will be down tomorrow, Friday February 23, beginning at 8 AM PST while Rootsweb does some "maintenance of its servers and hosting process." They don't say how long, but they are very good and efficient, so I'm sure it won't be prolonged. Speaking of servers, mine has been on the fritz. I don't get some of the messages I sent to the List for sometimes as long as two days. I have an "emergency" e-mail address cmacdee@excite.com, and I checked there tonight and found an AMXROADS message from Larry which I still haven't received via my regular server. Very discouraging. I will be changing servers after the 1st of the month, but don't have my new e-mail address yet. Anyway, thanks Larry for your compliment on the postings. Please let me know if you DO have any specific research interests that we can address. We'll be moving forward to TN soon with our perimeters! Daniel Boone is going to go through the Cumberland Gap! Kinship will aid them with their journey and new settlements! Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads

Thank you Josie, This tells so much. Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: josie bass <jbass@digital.net> To: AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com <AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 8:30 AM Subject: [AMXROADS] Lt. R.H.K. Whiteley - Trail of Tears >General Robert Henry Kirkwood Whiteley was born in Cambridge, MD Apr 15 >1809. He m. Hester Dodson on Nov 30, 1830, and died June 9 1896 in >Baltimore, MD, bur. in Newark, DE. He fathered eleven children. > >Cherokee Connections, by Myra Vanderpool Gormley, c1995: p. 7: "The second >group, numbering about 875, left 13 June. It was under the command of Lt. >R. H. K. Whiteley, with five assistant conductors, two physicians, three >interpreters and a hospital attendant." Refers to the removal of the >Cherokees in 1838 from Alabama, Georgia, NC, and TN to Fort Gibson, >Oklahoma Territory. They departed from Ross's Landing (now Chattanooga, >TN), Gunter's Landing, Jackson Co. AL and Muscle Shoals, AL. R.H.K. >became a Brig. Gen, but was a Lt when he headed up part of the Trail of >Tears. Bvt. BG. Robert H.K. Whitely, Ordnance Dept, U.S.A. > > Lt R.H.K. Whiteley was involved in the Trail of Tears - 1838 >In charge of the second contingent of about 875 Cherokee removed from >Georgia. It consisted of 8 flatboats which left Ross Landing on June 13, >1838 by steamer. >At Decatur they switched to railroad to Tuscumbia, where they transferred >to a single flatboat to Little Rock. From there they travelled by wagon >and foot to Indian Territory. historian Grant Foreman described the rest >of this trip: > >"The weather was extremely hot, a drought had prevailed for months, water >was scarce, suffocating clouds of dust stirred up by oxen and wagons, and >the rough and rocky roads, made the condition of the sick occupants of the >wagons indeed. Three, four, and five deaths occurred each day. Before the >end of the month there were between two and three hundred ill" > >On August 1, Whiteley recorded: "Did not move this day, the party >requiring rest and being more than one half sick; notwithstanding every >effort used, it was impossible to prevent their eating quantities of green >peaches and corn - consequently the flux raged among them and carried off >some days as high as six and seven." > >By the time they reached Indian Territory, only 602 remained. Seventy had >died and the rest simply disappeared along the way. > >sources: Cherokee Sunset: A Nation Betrayed by Samule Carter III, >Doubleday & Co. Inc (1976); War of the Rebellion, US War Dept, Govt >Printing Office (1889); Cherokee Connections by Gromley; and Wally's >Whiteley Whittlin's, P. O. Box 1983, OKC OK 73101. > >He was a career US soldier - stayed with the South. Robert H. K. >Whiteley was a Georgia ordinance officer during the civil War and was >stationed in San Antonio in 1861. > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________ >josiebass@zxmail.com >216 Beach Park Lane >Cape Canaveral, FL 32920-5003 > >Home of the *HARRISON* Repository >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/ >My Southern Family WWW: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/ > >LINDSAY & HARRISON Surnames & CSA-HISTORY Roots Mail List >GENCONNECT: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/indx/FamAssoc.html > >Data Managed by beautiful daughter Becky Bass Bonner and me, Josephine >Lindsay Bass > > >============================== >Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

General Robert Henry Kirkwood Whiteley was born in Cambridge, MD Apr 15 1809. He m. Hester Dodson on Nov 30, 1830, and died June 9 1896 in Baltimore, MD, bur. in Newark, DE. He fathered eleven children. Cherokee Connections, by Myra Vanderpool Gormley, c1995: p. 7: "The second group, numbering about 875, left 13 June. It was under the command of Lt. R. H. K. Whiteley, with five assistant conductors, two physicians, three interpreters and a hospital attendant." Refers to the removal of the Cherokees in 1838 from Alabama, Georgia, NC, and TN to Fort Gibson, Oklahoma Territory. They departed from Ross's Landing (now Chattanooga, TN), Gunter's Landing, Jackson Co. AL and Muscle Shoals, AL. R.H.K. became a Brig. Gen, but was a Lt when he headed up part of the Trail of Tears. Bvt. BG. Robert H.K. Whitely, Ordnance Dept, U.S.A. Lt R.H.K. Whiteley was involved in the Trail of Tears - 1838 In charge of the second contingent of about 875 Cherokee removed from Georgia. It consisted of 8 flatboats which left Ross Landing on June 13, 1838 by steamer. At Decatur they switched to railroad to Tuscumbia, where they transferred to a single flatboat to Little Rock. From there they travelled by wagon and foot to Indian Territory. historian Grant Foreman described the rest of this trip: "The weather was extremely hot, a drought had prevailed for months, water was scarce, suffocating clouds of dust stirred up by oxen and wagons, and the rough and rocky roads, made the condition of the sick occupants of the wagons indeed. Three, four, and five deaths occurred each day. Before the end of the month there were between two and three hundred ill" On August 1, Whiteley recorded: "Did not move this day, the party requiring rest and being more than one half sick; notwithstanding every effort used, it was impossible to prevent their eating quantities of green peaches and corn - consequently the flux raged among them and carried off some days as high as six and seven." By the time they reached Indian Territory, only 602 remained. Seventy had died and the rest simply disappeared along the way. sources: Cherokee Sunset: A Nation Betrayed by Samule Carter III, Doubleday & Co. Inc (1976); War of the Rebellion, US War Dept, Govt Printing Office (1889); Cherokee Connections by Gromley; and Wally's Whiteley Whittlin's, P. O. Box 1983, OKC OK 73101. He was a career US soldier - stayed with the South. Robert H. K. Whiteley was a Georgia ordinance officer during the civil War and was stationed in San Antonio in 1861. ___________________________________________________________________ josiebass@zxmail.com 216 Beach Park Lane Cape Canaveral, FL 32920-5003 Home of the *HARRISON* Repository http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/ My Southern Family WWW: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/ LINDSAY & HARRISON Surnames & CSA-HISTORY Roots Mail List GENCONNECT: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/indx/FamAssoc.html Data Managed by beautiful daughter Becky Bass Bonner and me, Josephine Lindsay Bass

Thanks Caroline, I am researching WHITELY & HAYNES. this was all i found at ancestry.com and was wondering where to go next. Database: Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol. 6 Combined Matches: 4 Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy: Virginia Alexandria, Virginia and Washington, D. C. 1830, 2, 13. Joel & Nancy Whitely. Wm. B. Preston, Surety. Married by James Leftwich, Jr., Feb. 16, 1830 Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy: Virginia Alexandria, Virginia and Washington, D. C. 1835, 10, 12. Elisha & Susan Jane Whitely. John Hancock, Surety. Married by James Leftwich, Oct. 21, 1835 Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy: Virginia Alexandria, Virginia and Washington, D. C. 1819, 2, 3. Samuel & Frances Haynes. William Whitely, Surety Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy: Virginia Alexandria, Virginia and Washington, D. C. 1805, 12, 3. William [Whitely] & Milley Haynes, daughter Henry. William Haynes, Surety (MY GPS) Viewing records 1-4 Charles brother of my William: Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy: Virginia Alexandria, Virginia and Washington, D. C. 1817, 9, 22. Charles Whitely & Permelia Stratton. Wm. Leftwich, Surety. Married by William Leftwich, Oct. 2, 1817 Footnote daughter daughters Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy: Virginia Alexandria, Virginia and Washington, D. C. 1822, 10, 14. Charles Whitely & Ann C. Thompson, daughter Anderson Thompson. N. A. Thomson, Surety love to hear from anyone researching these families. this is going to explain a lot about our family, they became Methodist. josie At 01:35 AM 2/20/01 -0800, you wrote: >Dear Cousins, > I am becoming very clever due to google.com! I just found a >Rootsweb site I didn't know existed for Gilbert Cope's Collection of >Quaker records. Dear ME! I am excited over this! You'll be >absolutely >astounded at how many of your ancestors' surnames are listed here, and >you will want to send for every microfilm reel listed, as I do! If >you send for some, let us know so efforts might be coordinated. > >Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn >Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com >========================================= >--- Visit American Crossroads --- >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads > > > > >============================== >The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 ___________________________________________________________________ josiebass@zxmail.com 216 Beach Park Lane Cape Canaveral, FL 32920-5003 Home of the *HARRISON* Repository http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/ My Southern Family WWW: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/ LINDSAY & HARRISON Surnames & CSA-HISTORY Roots Mail List GENCONNECT: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/indx/FamAssoc.html Data Managed by beautiful daughter Becky Bass Bonner and me, Josephine Lindsay Bass

Dear Cousins, I am so excited, I can hardly type. I have been moving -- !! again, but this time just a few feet, from our back old house to our front old house. My phone was to be transferred and of course, was messed up so I haven't been able to post for several days. Thank you Beej, for all your posts and sharing. Before I started the big move, I ordered up a new domain name and have gotten the homepage set up, although none of the other pages is operational yet. More tonight! The new domain is http://www.backcountrycrossroads.com This new domain will be an extension of American Crossroads, but will give me the opportunity to put up my books for sale, along with other endeavors to try and get the American Crossroads Project to the point where it is self supporting. I hope next to be able to inforporate as a non-profit organization. The main pages on the internet will continue to be at rootsweb, but no commercial activities are allowed there. I will be selling genealogy and history books, calendars, etc., my Pathways to the Past Online Interactive Genealogy Course, my personal writings, etc. (Great Gifts!!) Listmembers and subscribers can also post and market their items and talent there as well. The most exciting aspect will be a magazine publication which will be offered both on CD and in print form, which is called Homecoming. Homecoming will reflect American Crossroads' History, Genealogy, Art, Literature, etc., (a great deal of what American Crossroads presents online) in a magazine that will be available to non-internet users as well as those who would like to be able to peruse the information in hand. But it will offer more as well. We have learned a terrible lesson from the tragedies of 9-11. Heritage and kinship stretch across many miles and years for all Americans. Homecoming will reflect our need to network, communicate, and revitalize our concepts of family and community through our great American heritage. Homecoming will be offered as a subscription, and while it will always reflect the American Crossroads website, it will present more material than is possible on the internet. Ultimately I hope to be able to publish the entire American Crossroads research -- the migration of settlers along the Delaware River in the mid-1600's, all the way to the present on West Coast -- literally "from sea to shinina sea," and over a period of 350 years. But, this is definitely a work in progress! Sales at the new website will fund the ongoing research. For now, however, what has been published at American Crossroads to date will be offered on CD's and in the Homecoming Magazine. The first FEATURE PRESENTATION in Homecoming Magazine will provide new clues and research that I believe will provide impetus toward a whole new attitude and view of the Maryland Penningtons, from which almost all Penningtons descend. This is a seafood platter for everyone's enjoyment that Pennington Cousins Ric, and Dick and Isabel and I cooked up from a most delicious and joyous New England Homecoming last month after the GENTECH2002 convention I attended in Boston. The primary focus of this study will be an examination of Abraham Pennington, the Trader, backward and forward. BUT, please don't think this magazine will be ONLY be about Penningtons! It focuses on pockets of people, on the history and ever changing localities of these backcountry folk from the Delaware River Valley, all across our broad country. This is not a surname publication, but a social history of America told through genealogical research. In addition, the methodology used will enable your own renewed efforts on puzzles yet to be resolved -- together. The new Homecoming Magazine will offer the first issue FREE to listmember who subscribes for two years/ -- four issues -- $24.00 per year, but for yooooooouuuuuuuu my Dear Ones -- $18.00. The First Edition issue will be mailed out by 1 September 2002. All details will be available at the new website by tomorrow. This is less than the cost of a paperback! http://www.backcountrycrossroads.com/Homecoming/index.html This is a very exciting time for me -- the fruition of a lot of dreams. I am living in a house where my grandparents moved just after WWII -- The Big One. My mom worked, and my Grandpa and Grandma Smith, her parents, took care of me here. It was here Grandpa taught me how to tie my shoelaces, how to play checkers, and indirectly and unintentionally, how to cuss! My Grandma died in 1966, and Grandpa in 1972. Shortly before Grandpa died a flood wiped out my parents home, the only log house in town, and my folks moved into this house. I moved back to Oregon in 1993 because my Dad was very ill and I came here to this house each weekend to visit and care for him over the next three years when he died in 1996 at age 95. This small house holds 57 years of large memories. I captured bees in hollyhocks here. Great weaponry! I made mudpies here for Lulu Belle, my hungry dolly, and the neighborhood kids and I rode stick horses conveniently corralled on the back 40 for playing cowboys and Indians. My mother is still nearby in the old hotel which has been turned into a Senior Center and retirement apartments. There is still much to be learned about community here, and much to be taught. This is a re-beginning, and yet a never ending circle, just as American Crossroads is also, and which Homecoming Magazine will become as well. Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@centurytel.net cmcdani@earthlink.net ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads and Backcountry Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads http://www.backcountrycrossroads.com

2/20/01 8:05pm EST Carolyn, It appears to me that in the following statement, you seem to be saying that the Seminoles are Cherokees who went into Florida. Is this a correct assumption? <snip> >Descendants of these people comprise the Eastern Cherokees, while >descendants of the remainder who survived the Trail of Tears comprise the >Oklahoma-centered Cherokees. Remnants of southern tribespeople also went >into Florida and became the Seminoles, who never did surrender. <snip> At the Official web page of the Seminole Tribe at: . http://www.seminoletribe.com/history/brief.shtml this can be found: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For thousands of years before the coming of Europeans to southeastern North America, perhaps as many as 400,000 of the ancestors of the Seminoles built towns and villages and complex civilizations across the vast area. After 1510, when the Spaniards began to explore and settle in their territory, disease killed many of these people, but they were never "destroyed" or "conquered" as so many of the white men's history books proclaim. The survivors amalgamated across the peninsula of Florida and continued their lives. When the first English speakers entered the area of the Southeast that is now Florida, in 1763, they found many of these survivors — from tribes such as the Euchee, Yamasee, Timugua, Tequesta, Abalachi, Coça, and hundreds of others, living as "free people" across the head of the Florida peninsula, on the Alachua savannah (the area now known as Alachua County). In Maskókî, the core language, istî siminolî meant that they were "free people" because they had never been dominated by the Spaniards or the English interlopers. In the Hitchíti dialect of Maskókî, today known as Mikisúkî, the same phrase was yat'siminoli. English speakers ignored their separate tribal affiliations and just called them all Seminolies, or Seminoles. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< There is a lot more Seminole history there for those interested. However, the Britannica site at: . http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/7/0,5716,68437+1+66715,00.html?query=seminole says they are of Creek origin: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Seminole North American Indian tribe speaking a Muskogean language; they are of Creek origin. In the last half of the 18th century, migrants from the lower Creek towns of Georgia moved southward into northern Florida, the former territory of the Apalachee and Timucua. By about 1775 these migrants had begun to be known under the name Seminole, derived from the Creek word simanó-li meaning "separatist," or "runaway." The name may also have derived from the Spanish cimarrón, "wild." The Seminoles were joined by runaway slaves--Indian and Negro--and others fleeing the power struggles between American whites and Indians in Georgia. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< More at that site also. Larry Shahan Kodak, TN

Greetings, Carolyn -- & others! Glad you found Google -- it is the best searcher, without question. Even if you have only part of the title for what you want, it can find it and related items. And, if it tells you it can't find the exact item, it gives that neat option of asking for the "portion" you entered -- and it works like a charm!! Mary P.S. Will be changing, or at least adding a 2nd, e-mail address. Because I own a Mac, nothing works for installing a new AT&T "local" network number. Such is life in the networked country called the U.S.A.!

Well, early Alzheimer's has set in for sure! There was a terrific book I read a year or two ago, called Citizen Washington. I cannot find the book, nor remember the author's name. A life of old Georgie. But the story of all the intrigues, double dealings, switched alliances and just plain savagery on the part of the white folks on both sides of the French and Indian Wars was very well told. And paints a rather pathetic picture of Washington as a strategist- especially in the later battles of the revolution. Enjoy, Jim Cookman Marilyn Kucera wrote: > > Dear Carolyn and cousins, > > Enjoyed your write up about the eastern Indian tribes, Carolyn. I am > also interested in learning more about the French and Indian War and was > wondering if anyone out there knew of a good book or web site about that > period of time. Mary Yarnell had sent me some information in the past, > but with all the stacks of papers around here I have mis placed what she > sent. > > My ancestor, Stewart Herbert Sr. b. ca. 1721, d. 1778 has a small bronze > marker next to his tombstone at the Old Leacock Presbyterian Church in > Lancaster County, PA. Which states he was a "Veteran of the Indian > Wars." I have searched everywhere to try and find out what the source > for this is. Have been by others in Lancaster County to just accept it > as fact that the marker wouldn't be there based on "family tradition". > That's OK, but I would still love to have the source for his service. > Any suggestions would be most appreciated. With best wishes, Marilyn > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html

Josie, I can suggest one thing now -- the William B. Preston is likely some part of the William and Susanna (Smith) Preston family that I'm about 99.9 % sure is a part of my Smith, Watts, Markham/Marcum, etc. etc. family of SW Virginia. They are also connected to Cousin Kay's Sayers and Buchannon lines. There are Breckenridges, Harts, and Floyds as well. The Smiths were in Hanover County, VA, then Louisa, then Botetourt, then everywhere. I have a copy of the Preston/Floyd Bible up on American Crossroads, along with a preliminary survey of my Smith findings. Haven't gotten it finished. *page 3* therefore will not load. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Smith/index.html It appears to me from the names that a batch of Hanover people went into the Virginia Southside counties -- Lunenberg, Pittsylvania, etc. then crossed over the line into North Carollina. (There were difficulties knowing where the line was, it seems. ) Some of the Penningtons seem to have been a part of this, and also McDaniels. The problem is whether they came directly into the Southside from Maryland and the Philadelphia Perimeter, or from Hanover County, which had a batch of Quakers there. This difficullty comes from the Hanover County records having been destroyed. (A lunatic, this time, not damnyankees, Josie!) I have copies of Hanover County Vestry records, however, so it helps some if your ancestors were Church of England. The Smiths and Prestons have tremendous connection and significance to SW Virginia heritage. Thomas Ballard Smith, Granville Smith and Parke or Park Smith were three distinctively named brothers of Susanna, along with John Smith. Thank God a few had distinctive names because they are headed by a John Smith who was the father of Francis, who was Susanna's father. If you have further interest in the Prestons, take a look at Fred Preston's pages: http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/quarrybank/194/sfwilliam.htm Fred is not a genealogist but he has collected some very good things. I feel the Smith Genealogy is mixed up, but........... someday, I'll take a shot at untangling it. Maybe I'll even get my third page put up. Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads

Dear Cousins, I am becoming very clever due to google.com! I just found a Rootsweb site I didn't know existed for Gilbert Cope's Collection of Quaker records. Dear ME! I am excited over this! You'll be absolutely astounded at how many of your ancestors' surnames are listed here, and you will want to send for every microfilm reel listed, as I do! If you send for some, let us know so efforts might be coordinated. Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com ========================================= --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads

Dear Larry and Cousins on the List, I didn't mean to imply the Seminoles were remnants of the Cherokees, who were of Iroquoian stock, but as your last quoted passage states, Seminoles were remnants of the other tribespeople in the surrounding region. Much different linguistic origin than the Cherokees, different traditions, and cultural styles, although they roughly shared some of the same geographic areas. Your quote says more succinctly what I wanted to impart. I am hopeful of getting some good history compiled on these issues to be put on the website. Do you have a special interest? If so, I would welcome your further imput or articles.. I am learning quite a bit on the Cherokees, but am not up to speed on the rest. I did get a biography of Benjamin Hawkins who was the Agent for the Creeks for many years and tried desperately to fight for their rights with little success, finally. Too many people in high places wanted their land. Andrew Jackson was involved with many of these people prior to becoming President, and although I have not delved into it as to whether Jackson himself participated in the land deals and conspiracies for self-gain, these pre-Presidency cronies were the ones who garnered the most from the Indian cessions and losses -- Blount being a primary one, and probably the biggest conniver. Love, your cousin, Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: villanow@mindspring.com <villanow@mindspring.com> To: AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com <AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: [AMXROADS] Re: Site Indexes/Cherokee history >2/20/01 8:05pm EST > >Carolyn, > >It appears to me that in the following statement, you seem to be saying >that the Seminoles are Cherokees who went into Florida. Is this a correct >assumption? > ><snip> >>Descendants of these people comprise the Eastern Cherokees, while >>descendants of the remainder who survived the Trail of Tears comprise the >>Oklahoma-centered Cherokees. Remnants of southern tribespeople also went >>into Florida and became the Seminoles, who never did surrender. ><snip> > >At the Official web page of the Seminole Tribe at: >. http://www.seminoletribe.com/history/brief.shtml >this can be found: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >For thousands of years before the coming of Europeans to southeastern North >America, perhaps as many as 400,000 of the ancestors of the Seminoles built >towns and villages and complex civilizations across the vast area. After >1510, when the Spaniards began to explore and settle in their territory, >disease killed many of these people, but they were never "destroyed" or >"conquered" as so many of the white men's history books proclaim. The >survivors amalgamated across the peninsula of Florida and continued their >lives. >When the first English speakers entered the area of the Southeast that is >now Florida, in 1763, they found many of these survivors — from tribes such >as the Euchee, Yamasee, Timugua, Tequesta, Abalachi, Coça, and hundreds of >others, living as "free people" across the head of the Florida peninsula, >on the Alachua savannah (the area now known as Alachua County). In Maskókî, >the core language, istî siminolî meant that they were "free people" because >they had never been dominated by the Spaniards or the English interlopers. >In the Hitchíti dialect of Maskókî, today known as Mikisúkî, the same >phrase was yat'siminoli. English speakers ignored their separate tribal >affiliations and just called them all Seminolies, or Seminoles. ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >There is a lot more Seminole history there for those interested. > >However, the Britannica site at: >. >http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/7/0,5716,68437+1+66715,00.h tml?query=seminole >says they are of Creek origin: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >Seminole >North American Indian tribe speaking a Muskogean language; they are of >Creek origin. In the last half of the 18th century, migrants from the lower >Creek towns of Georgia moved southward into northern Florida, the former >territory of the Apalachee and Timucua. By about 1775 these migrants had >begun to be known under the name Seminole, derived from the Creek word >simanó-li meaning "separatist," or "runaway." The name may also have >derived from the Spanish cimarrón, "wild." The Seminoles were joined by >runaway slaves--Indian and Negro--and others fleeing the power struggles >between American whites and Indians in Georgia. ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >More at that site also. > >Larry Shahan >Kodak, TN > > > >============================== >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Dear Carolyn and cousins, Enjoyed your write up about the eastern Indian tribes, Carolyn. I am also interested in learning more about the French and Indian War and was wondering if anyone out there knew of a good book or web site about that period of time. Mary Yarnell had sent me some information in the past, but with all the stacks of papers around here I have mis placed what she sent. My ancestor, Stewart Herbert Sr. b. ca. 1721, d. 1778 has a small bronze marker next to his tombstone at the Old Leacock Presbyterian Church in Lancaster County, PA. Which states he was a "Veteran of the Indian Wars." I have searched everywhere to try and find out what the source for this is. Have been by others in Lancaster County to just accept it as fact that the marker wouldn't be there based on "family tradition". That's OK, but I would still love to have the source for his service. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. With best wishes, Marilyn

Dear Marilyn and Cousins on the List: There are a couple of "official" places where your Stewart Herbert might be listed. Locally, if you have access to a genealogical library, check the printed volumes of the Pennsylvania archives. They have a pretty good genealogy collection at the Spokane Public Library, but I'm not sure how far that is for you! Maybe a cousin that has access to the print copies could look it up for you. The other official source would be the National Archives for what they term (or used to) their Old Wars files. As you know, if you've ever ordered Pension files or Service records for other military service, it is a long, time consuming process. I found a book by a Jeffrey G. Herbert. " Index to Indian Wars Pension Ffiles," which was an interesting combination of interests. For other cousins, there are similar books and indexes for other military involvements. Also, there are often lists like this on the individual county websites, and if all else fails, you could order through the LDS family History Center. With his age, and In Lancaster county, it is very likely he participated in the ongoing confrontations. The British call the French and Indian Wars the Seven Years War, and it contributed mightily to the Revolutionary War, as George III (the Other Georgie, Jim) struggled to refill the kingly coffers to pay for it. George Washington and Christopher Gist were central to the beginning, going on an icy spying expedition against the French which nearly did them both in around the region of what is now Pittsburgh in the dead of winter. Both Virginia and Pennsylvania began building forts for defense, and Gist and Washington wrote descriptions of what was needed. There is a detailed map drawn by Washington which is very handy for identifying backcountry localities of our ancestors. And, also in the back country, other players, Abraham and Isaac Pennington! Washington complained in his journal about his frontier lodgings with Isaac Pennington! Cousins! I have found a wonderful new tool -- a search engine called Google. Despite the name, it is much more efficient than the ones I've been using. I've been discovering all kinds of detail about the families I'm tracking. For instance I plugged in Lancaster Pennsylvania Indian Wars Herbert and got some really specific listings. Herbert limits this, of course. http://www.google.com Personal to Jim -- early???? I have had the same problems, and was also worried, but I discovered it was simply that I'd forgotten to buy coffee. Love, Your Cousin, Carolyn Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com --- Visit American Crossroads --- http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads

I was just rereading my messages and came across this one from the first part of February. I wanted to add a little. I live in NE Pennsylvania and there are many Indian reservations in the North. In fact there is one not 10 miles from my house. Thanks though for the info. on the Southern Indians. I didn't know that all of them were not forced to move West. ----- Original Message ----- From: "josie bass" <jbass@digital.net> To: <AMXROADS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [AMXROADS] Site Indexes > Dear Cousin, i agree with everything you said, I do wish tho that WHITE > bashing could be considered in your rant and when you say ethnic groups I > think you lieft out European WHITE i feel you should add WHITE as well to > your repertoire & litany of cultures and races you are defending. > > as a victim of Anti Southern Bigotry I am well aware of much on the > internet that is untrue about us, and these unfair tales are embellished > distorting the truth to mis-educate for proprogandi and political advantage. > > thanks for reading my suggestion. > > While not all was lite & kissses some of my Indian cousins went from > Alabama to 1800s Feliciana Parish, Louisiana-Wilkinson co. Mississippi and > on to Texas and finally rejoined the tribe at Evin Springs, Indian > Territory of Oklahoma (Dawes Rolls), and some of their descendants are > buried in Lindsay, Gavin Co. OK. The family they married into in Louisiana > migrated and descended from old 1700s European South Carolina family. > > Sam Houston left his position as Governor of TN, had an Indian wife, > previously he had tried to start his own country, first in North Alabama, > later in Texas for the Indians he had befriended. He also had a start up > for them in Arkansas. > > As the land wore out from single crop cultivation, and the population could > not support the number of people, families split up and pioneered new > lands, this kept pushing the Indians further and further West. The > settlement of Kentucky was one of the worst blows they had, this was their > "Happy Hunting Ground" and no Indians lived there all the time, they kept > it as a place where they knew there would be food for them and their > families. The migration to Kentucky began around 1780-90, the Trail of > Tears, the round up of Indians from Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, > Alabama was in 1838. > > Indians in the South were not annihilated, some Indians never made the trip > to OK and have reservations in North Carolina (I have been there, near > Asheville); and Alabama (Cherokee Village, I have been there); Two in > Louisiana (I have been there); One in Mississippi (I have been there); > Livingston, Texas (I have been there). I have also been to 2 out West (near > Grand Canyon) and Mesa Verdi. > > these I know of, there is probably more, in other Southern states as well. > There are no reservations in the North that I am aware of, there is a huge > gambling mecca, I think CT, on old Indian land, some say is legal but not > founded or run by Indians. > > During the Rev War and War of 1812 some tribes fought with the Britts > because they were from outside America and they thought if the British won > the War the migration would be much slower or maybe not at all. However, > there were also Indians on the American side in that War, they must have > had some regard for us or they wouldn't have fought on our side. > Maybe it is as Geronimo said: "Our time has passed" > > I found a new cousin this week: Lt. Charles B. Gatewood b Shenandoah > Valley, VA 1853 buried Arlington 1896. Lieutenant Charles Gatewood is > almost lost to American history, but was recently revived somewhat by the > movie "Geronimo," in which he was a central > character. http://www.thehistorynet.com/WildWest/articles/1999/1099_text.htm > > Gatewood and Geronimo (the book by Louis Craft) is on sale at Amazon.com. > Book Description: The two pre-eminent warriors of the Apache Wars between > 1878 and 1886, Lieutenant Charles B. Gatewood of the Sixth United States > Cavalry and Chiricahua leader Geronimo, respected one another in peace and > feared one another in war. Within two years of his posting to Arizona in > 1878, Gatewood became the army's premier "Apache man" as both a commander > of Apache scouts and a reservation administrator, but his equitable > treatment of Indians aroused the enmity of civilian and military > detractors, and the army shunned him. In the late 1870s Geronimo, a > medicine man, emerged as a brilliant Chiricahua leader and fiercely > resisted his people's incarceration on inhospitable federal reservations. > His fight for freedom, often bloody, in New Mexico, Arizona, and Mexico > triggered the deployment of hundreds of United States and Mexican troops > and Apache Scouts to hunt him and his people. In the end, the United States > Army recalled Gatewood to Apache service, ordering him into the Sierra > Madre of northern Mexico to locate Geronimo and negotiate his band's > surrender. Showing the depravity and desperation of the Apache wars, Louis > Kraft dramatically recreates Gatewood's final mission and poignantly > recalls the United States government's betrayal of the Chiricahuas, > Geronimo, and Gatewood at the campaign's end. > > The Apaches called Gatewood Bay-chen-daysen, which translates to "Long > Nose." Tall, slender and Southern born, Gatewood graduated from West Point > in 1877. Shortly after reporting for duty with the 6th U.S. Cavalry at Fort > Apache, Arizona Territory, in 1878, he became a veteran Indian campaigner. > By 1884, Gatewood had emerged as one of Crook's handpicked subalterns to > bring peace to the Southwest. An experienced commander of Apache scouts, he > also served as military commandant of the White Mountain Indian > Reservation, headquartered at Fort Apache. > > On November 8, 1887, Tucson feted the victorious soldiers. During the > reception at the San Xavier Hotel, Miles' officers were all praised--all > except Gatewood. When asked about Gatewood's participation in the > surrender, Miles snapped that he was "sick of this adulation of Lieutenant > Gatewood, who only did his duty." Gatewood was conspicuously absent from > the celebration. Miles had no intention of being upstaged and had ordered > Gatewood to remain in Los Angeles. > > Gatewood's situation never improved. His assignment as aide-de-camp ended > on September 14, 1890. From then until his death on May 20, 1896, he > continued to perform his various assignments to the best of his ability. > But there would be no rewards. Whereas Lawton, Wood, Smith and almost every > officer who served in Mexico during the summer of 1886 died or retired a > colonel or general, Gatewood died a first lieutenant--the rank he held when > he negotiated with Geronimo in Mexico. > > > > > > > > josie > > At 07:35 PM 2/1/01 -0800, you wrote: > >Dear Cousins, > > I have made further changes to the the site, in order for > >people to find things more easily. Each of the Perimeters now > >has its own chart of included information, which I think will make it > >easier. Although the indexes are up, !! not all the links are > >linked!! In some cases the files are not uploaded, and in some > >cases, the files are uploaded, but are at the old locations and I > >simply haven't been able to link everything to the new indexes -- > >YET! Each of the index pages ultimately will have a degree of > >explanation of the new pages and their relationship to the perimeters. > >Each has a symbol which I hope will come to represent the Perimeter in > >your minds. When you see it you automatically will begin to think of > >that Perimeter and its specific data. > > While working on the pages last night, I came across a site at > >Rootsweb which disturbed me. I am putting up pages regarding Native > >Americans, and I found a link to the page Indian Captives, which I had > >visited some time ago -- maybe as long as two years, I can't remember. > >Several people had written in about the content, and the webmaster had > >commented rather definsively back that hers was not a forum for > >discussion but a genealogy site. I didn't find any genealogy there, > >but there may be some. Most of the site was stories which seemed to > >be undocumented, sensational stories written long after the fact, > >that described the "savage" treatment to captives. > > While my own great-grandfather was murdered by Indians in 1878 > >here in Oregon, and while I am a descendant of Hannah Emerson Dustin > >(of the Haverhill Emersons) who was a White captive who overcame her > >Indian captors in the 1600's, and while I have researched the story of > >Mary Draper Ingles of SW Virginia, whose story is also legitimate, > >many of the "White Captive" stories are not legitimate, and are only > >repetitions of stories with different names, and bloody details thrown > >in to titilate and distort 19th century ideas about Indians. Then > >these ideas are passed on, generation after generation. I feel it is > >very irresponsible to put up information on the internet which is > >insensitive to ethnic groups, as well as to others. Just as we must > >guard the truthfulness of our genealogy, we must impose ethical and > >historical standards to other information we put on the internet for > >general consumption. I am pledged not just to truth, but accuracy. We > >do not want to judge Whites, African Americans, or Native Americans > >(or any other ethnic group) by current cultural standards. But most > >of > >all we do not want to repeat errors, misinformation, and genealogical > >and historical sloppiness to perpetrate cruel, inaccurate stereotypes > >of any ethnic group. Native - White Settler relationships on the > >frontiers were extremely complicated, and need to be addressed in > >historically ethical and objective ways. > > The pages I will be including will have information on > >Native Americans in each region. We will soon be coming to > >information on the Cherokees who originally populated the NWSW > >Perimeter (NW North Carolina and SW Virginia) on down into northern > >Georgia -- which is why I am getting in this "rant" now! > > Please, if you have suggestions or comments, please write via > >the list. I welcome your comments on any subject. This List IS the > >forum for discussion of issues! We need to discuss how things are > >going, and if you think things could be done, differently or better, > >or if I've neglected to include something. We do not have to agree > >on issues, or politics! But we do have to refrain from stereotyping > >and generalizing about others. That is nothing more than name-calling > >and mudslinging. Also, the idea with American Crossroads is to > >search out genealogy and history to show the kinship that we have with > >one another. Giving identity to out ancestors is one way, and > >remembering to think positive, healing thoughts about our Cousins and > >Friends are others. I was so gratified recently when one cousin wrote > >to say she felt so close to another one even though they've never met. > >This is most definitely what I am trying to achieve with this site. > > Remember, the links are not working! This is just the > >notification to have you see the organization of the thing. > > The new indexes are: > >The Philadelphia Perimeter > >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/Phila/index.html > >The NWSW Perimeter > >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/NWSW/index.html > >The Maryland Delaware Perimeter > >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads/MDDE/index.html > > > >Love, Your Historically Correct Cousin, Carolyn > >Carolyn McDaniel cmacdee@teleport.com > >========================================= > >--- Visit American Crossroads --- > >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amxroads > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > ___________________________________________________________________ > josiebass@zxmail.com > 216 Beach Park Lane > Cape Canaveral, FL 32920-5003 > > Home of the *HARRISON* Repository > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/ > My Southern Family WWW: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/ > > LINDSAY & HARRISON Surnames & CSA-HISTORY Roots Mail List > GENCONNECT: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/indx/FamAssoc.html > > Data Managed by beautiful daughter Becky Bass Bonner and me, Josephine > Lindsay Bass > > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > >