Remove all.... un-needed text from a reply, keep enough for understanding. New subject should have ALL old text removed.... Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein, Gillock My Genealogy-http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy-http://www.geneticsand.us http://www.gilpingenetics.us ~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~0~