Hi Louise, I have been working on Wag(go)ners for many years, particularly Johann Christoph Wagner who was the Chaplain for the Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiment and most likely my gggg grandfather. The following are the various Wags I've compiled from known reliable sources: >From John Merz's "Guide" and "Hessians of Nova Scotia" WAGENER, Ferdinand - B-?, S#18, POW, S#25 PA-Oaths, 7/9/1782 WAGENER, Nikolaus - see Wagner, Nikolaus - Hessians of N.S. WAGGONER/WAGHNER, Frederick - see Wagner, Friedrich WAGNER, Dr. Henrich van (Surgeon) Albany, N.Y. - H. of U.C. 97 WAGNER, Ferdinand - ?? D2-1781 S.C., Schoolmaster, S# 25 PA - Oath WAGNER, Friedrich - HAJ, Hessians of Upper Canada, p. 211 WAGNER, Johann Christoph, A-B, Hessians of N.S. WAGNER, Nikolaus - Waldeck Regiment, Hessians of N.S. WAGNER, Rev. John C. - see WAGNER, Johann Christoph, Hessians of N.S. >From Hetrina IV Hesse-Kassel Field -Jaeger Corps WAGENER, Daniel - 2.Co. (Surgeon) 1745/46 Kassel, D2 - 6/1778 WAGENER, Jacob - 6. Co., 1753/54 Megesheim, D2 - 7/1778 WAGNER, Jacob - 3. Co., 1751/52 Koenigsberg, D2 - 5/1783 *S#18 - Clifford Neil Smith - Brunswick Deserters - Immigrants of the Amer. Rev., W.P. *S#25 - Thompson Westcott - Oath of Allegiance to the State of Pennsylvania, GCP, 1965 ____________________________________________________________________________ >From Ron Ferry on AMREV-HESSIANS list: Smith's Monograph #1 -" Brunswick Deserters" -Christian Wagener -Gottfried Wagener -Ferdinand Wagener -Johann Wagneer "Left Service" -John Andreas Wagener from Blankenburg -Christ. Wagener from Radern, Mecklenburg -Joh. Georg Wagener from Dorsen, Bavaria I have some theories and bits and pieces on a few of these men. If you're interested, we can discuss them off-list.feel free to e-mail me. However, there is another listed in Conrad Dohla's "A Hessian Diary of the American Revolution" who I believe may be the first Hessian in which you should delve. He is listed on page 91 in the following entry for 1778: "10 November. Both lieutenants, [Philip Christian] von Wagner and [Johann Sebastian] von Molitor, received their releases from the Margrave and will return to Germany." I believe they were located in Newport, RI at the time. According to John Merz, Von Molitor later shows up in another regiment and it's my belief von Wagner did not in fact return to Germany either. I understand there was no convoy of ships leaving any time near this date, so at the very least, von Wagner didn't return promptly. Just my opinion, but I think it would make sense of him to be in New York. Susan >Hello, There's a family story that Wagner (Von Wagner) was a Hessian soldier, but his first name is unknown. It is said that he dropped the Von when he got to America. He had a son named John Christian Wagner who had a carriage business in New York. His son married Lucinda Smith of Jersey City, New Jersey. She went to court in 1839 to execute his will. John Christian Wagner had a son named John Christian Wagner who was also known as John C. and John Augustus Wagner. He was born in 1836 and died in 1914. He was unhappy with his mother's new husband and went to Barneget Bay, New Jersey, to live with his grandfather. He moved to Minnesota in 1862. He helped build and donated the land for the Methodist church at Becker, Minnesota. He is buried in the cemetery at Becker. Can anyone help identify this Wagner or give us any tips on where to look for him? Thank you. Louise