Both DAR & SAR accept Patriot status for Hessians, if they in some way qualify as a Patriot under the normal rules: military service, paying a supply tax, taking an oath of Allegiance to the new country, etc.. By the way, British soldier deserters do not qualify in the same way. A former National President of the SAR became a member based upon his Hessian ancestor's military service for America, after he deserted. Bob Fetters ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > What is the DAR challenging? THe Military service? > > But George Bloom was a colonist? We don't do the American side.. we > research the Hessians. The Germanic soldiers who stayed here. > You need to find his military records try the national archives. look for > record of service and or pension application. > > Now I'm confused... Are Hessians being used to join the DAR? > > > nelda > > > > Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, > Bonstein > and Gillock > My Genealogy - > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us > Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > > GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ > Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:07:01 -0500 >> Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom >> >> Hello, >> Both myself and my daughter are members of the DAR under George Bloom our >> ancestor. >> Recently we received a letter that there is a question as to the military >> service of George Bloom. The DAR has closed his account which means that >> my >> four granddaughters will not be able to become members of the DAR without >> proof of his service. >> I am descended from his daughter Lanie. >> Below I have listed the following: >> 1. Patriot service record that is currently listed with the DAR >> 2. Proof of his moving to PA after serving in the Revolutionary War >> and the list of his children and where they moved to. >> 3. Proof of his burial and acknowledgement of his service in the >> Revolutionary War. >> If anyone can assist me or direct me to the best place for information to >> verify this and remove the question, I would be very grateful. >> Sincerely, >> Suzanne >> >> This is the DAR listing. >> >> Rank: PRIVATE >> Birth: 1758 PRUSSIA >> Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA >> Service Source: PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 1, PP 672, 938, 939 >> Service Description: 1) CAPTS MATHEW HOLGATE, JOHN LEVERING, >> 2) 2ND BATT, PHILADELPHIA CO MILITIA >> PENNSYLVANIA >> >> The following is from Bradford County Historical Society book: >> Pioneer and Patriot Families of Bradford County, PA; Heaverly: 1770-1825; >> Volumes I & II >> Page 301-302, Volume I >> >> George Bloom b. 1754 Ahlersbach, Germany, as a young man was compelled to >> serve in the Hessian Army and brought to America during the Revolutionary >> War. He was captured by Americans and espousing their cause never >> returned. >> George m. Mary Ater of Maryland. George acquired lot 105 by assignment >> from >> Daniel DeWitt on 24 Nov 1790. Enumerated in Chemung, Montgomery (that >> portion that became Tioga and later Chemung) County, New York in 1790 >> with >> one male over age sixteen (b. before 1774), one male under age sixteen >> (b. >> 1775-90), and five females in the household. They removed in 1798 to >> Burlington, Bradford County, Pennsylvania where they raised their >> children >> and died. They had children: >> George settled in Illinois and became very prosperous; >> Elisha married Bersheba Blakesley and settled in Canton township. They >> had >> children: George, John A., Ann (Mrs. Oakley Lewis), Dolly (Mrs. Charles >> Hoagland), Dameras (Mrs. George Merchant) and Betsy (Mrs. Isaac >> Hoagland). >> Joseph married widow Rebecca Braffit (who was left with three children), >> removed to Ohio where he accumulated a handsome property. >> David went to California during the gold excitement, "struck it rich" and >> afterwards settled at Kankakee, Ill. >> John, the youngest of the family, inherited the homestead. He married >> Betsy, >> daughter of Martin Stratton; children: Charles F., Olive, Bursha, >> Lucinda, >> H. Melissa, Lucy E. and Sarah E. >> Polly married Ezra Rutty, Jr. of North Towanda. >> Lanie married William Ellis and removed to Arcola, Ill. >> Catharine married Amos Abbott of Canton. >> Margaret married Mr. Blakesley of Burlington. >> >> Burial listing: http://www.joycetice.com/cemb/oldburl1.htm >> >> Bloom George 1754 1838 Born in Ahlersbach, Germany >> Revolutionary War >> Mary Ater 1841 Died in Baltimore MD, >> wf of Geogre Bloom >> >> >> >> >> >> >> PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. 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Hello, I do appreciate all of the responses. I guess I did not completely understand that you only research the Hessians. I am sorry for not understanding this. Can you tell me if there was a Johann Jorge Blum or George Bloom that served with the Hessian Army that fought against the Colonists? Maybe it would tell if he deserted them or was captured. I appreciate your help. Thank you. Suzanne BTW: Bob Fetters, I have Fetters in my family. My Dad's sister married into that family. I smiled when I saw your name. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Fetters Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom Both DAR & SAR accept Patriot status for Hessians, if they in some way qualify as a Patriot under the normal rules: military service, paying a supply tax, taking an oath of Allegiance to the new country, etc.. By the way, British soldier deserters do not qualify in the same way. A former National President of the SAR became a member based upon his Hessian ancestor's military service for America, after he deserted. Bob Fetters ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > What is the DAR challenging? THe Military service? > > But George Bloom was a colonist? We don't do the American side.. we > research the Hessians. The Germanic soldiers who stayed here. > You need to find his military records try the national archives. look for > record of service and or pension application. > > Now I'm confused... Are Hessians being used to join the DAR? > > > nelda > > > > Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, > Bonstein > and Gillock > My Genealogy - > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us > Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > > GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ > Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:07:01 -0500 >> Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom >> >> Hello, >> Both myself and my daughter are members of the DAR under George Bloom our >> ancestor. >> Recently we received a letter that there is a question as to the military >> service of George Bloom. The DAR has closed his account which means that >> my >> four granddaughters will not be able to become members of the DAR without >> proof of his service. >> I am descended from his daughter Lanie. >> Below I have listed the following: >> 1. Patriot service record that is currently listed with the DAR >> 2. Proof of his moving to PA after serving in the Revolutionary War >> and the list of his children and where they moved to. >> 3. Proof of his burial and acknowledgement of his service in the >> Revolutionary War. >> If anyone can assist me or direct me to the best place for information to >> verify this and remove the question, I would be very grateful. >> Sincerely, >> Suzanne >> >> This is the DAR listing. >> >> Rank: PRIVATE >> Birth: 1758 PRUSSIA >> Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA >> Service Source: PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 1, PP 672, 938, 939 >> Service Description: 1) CAPTS MATHEW HOLGATE, JOHN LEVERING, >> 2) 2ND BATT, PHILADELPHIA CO MILITIA >> PENNSYLVANIA >> >> The following is from Bradford County Historical Society book: >> Pioneer and Patriot Families of Bradford County, PA; Heaverly: 1770-1825; >> Volumes I & II >> Page 301-302, Volume I >> >> George Bloom b. 1754 Ahlersbach, Germany, as a young man was compelled to >> serve in the Hessian Army and brought to America during the Revolutionary >> War. He was captured by Americans and espousing their cause never >> returned. >> George m. Mary Ater of Maryland. George acquired lot 105 by assignment >> from >> Daniel DeWitt on 24 Nov 1790. Enumerated in Chemung, Montgomery (that >> portion that became Tioga and later Chemung) County, New York in 1790 >> with >> one male over age sixteen (b. before 1774), one male under age sixteen >> (b. >> 1775-90), and five females in the household. They removed in 1798 to >> Burlington, Bradford County, Pennsylvania where they raised their >> children >> and died. They had children: >> George settled in Illinois and became very prosperous; >> Elisha married Bersheba Blakesley and settled in Canton township. They >> had >> children: George, John A., Ann (Mrs. Oakley Lewis), Dolly (Mrs. Charles >> Hoagland), Dameras (Mrs. George Merchant) and Betsy (Mrs. Isaac >> Hoagland). >> Joseph married widow Rebecca Braffit (who was left with three children), >> removed to Ohio where he accumulated a handsome property. >> David went to California during the gold excitement, "struck it rich" and >> afterwards settled at Kankakee, Ill. >> John, the youngest of the family, inherited the homestead. He married >> Betsy, >> daughter of Martin Stratton; children: Charles F., Olive, Bursha, >> Lucinda, >> H. Melissa, Lucy E. and Sarah E. >> Polly married Ezra Rutty, Jr. of North Towanda. >> Lanie married William Ellis and removed to Arcola, Ill. >> Catharine married Amos Abbott of Canton. >> Margaret married Mr. Blakesley of Burlington. >> >> Burial listing: http://www.joycetice.com/cemb/oldburl1.htm >> >> Bloom George 1754 1838 Born in Ahlersbach, Germany >> Revolutionary War >> Mary Ater 1841 Died in Baltimore MD, >> wf of Geogre Bloom >> >> >> >> >> >> >> PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Suzanne, John Merz researched and allowed us to pu some research data non the website. Found this: Blum, Georg, K-15, S#134,189,8v3/1, Trenton POW 1776 WEBSITE PAGE http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/a/add1b.htm DEfining John Merz coding: S#134 = 134, Auerbach & Froehlich, Hetrina IV 2 Hessen-Kassel Regts,Chasseurs,Artll Archivschule Marburg ~~~~~~~~ (NOT SURE ON THIS ONE) 189 - S#189 Clifford Neal Smith, Monograph #28, Part 3, Hessian Soldiers who remained in Canada and the United States 1776-1783: Part 3: Deserters by Date of Defection. published 1992. ~~~~~~ 8v3/1 (NO IDEA) ~~~~~ Trenton POW 1776 Became a POW at Trenton, NJ 1776 ############################ ANYONE THAT CAN FILL IN FOR 8v3/1 (???) So you need to find volume four (IV) of the HETRINA and get a photo ,copy of the title page and the page that lists George. Now next you need a copy of the list of prisoners and his disposition. then you have to find his service record for what ever colony group he served with.. any application for pension. then will or some thing legal listing his children - census will work for where he lived but not for recording his children. because it does not name them.. nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 17:09:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > Hello, > I do appreciate all of the responses. > I guess I did not completely understand that you only research the Hessians. > I am sorry for not understanding this. > > Can you tell me if there was a Johann Jorge Blum or George Bloom that served > with the Hessian Army that fought against the Colonists? > Maybe it would tell if he deserted them or was captured. > > I appreciate your help. > Thank you. > Suzanne > > BTW: Bob Fetters, I have Fetters in my family. My Dad's sister married into > that family. I smiled when I saw your name. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Fetters > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > Both DAR & SAR accept Patriot status for Hessians, if they in some way > qualify as a Patriot under the normal rules: military service, paying a > supply tax, taking an oath of Allegiance to the new country, etc.. By the > way, British soldier deserters do not qualify in the same way. A former > National President of the SAR became a member based upon his Hessian > ancestor's military service for America, after he deserted. > > Bob Fetters > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > > > > > What is the DAR challenging? THe Military service? > > > > But George Bloom was a colonist? We don't do the American side.. we > > research the Hessians. The Germanic soldiers who stayed here. > > You need to find his military records try the national archives. look for > > record of service and or pension application. > > > > Now I'm confused... Are Hessians being used to join the DAR? > > > > > > nelda > > > > > > > > Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, > > Bonstein > > and Gillock > > My Genealogy - > > > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us > > Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > > > > GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ > > Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > > > > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:07:01 -0500 > >> Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > >> > >> Hello, > >> Both myself and my daughter are members of the DAR under George Bloom our > >> ancestor. > >> Recently we received a letter that there is a question as to the military > >> service of George Bloom. The DAR has closed his account which means that > >> my > >> four granddaughters will not be able to become members of the DAR without > >> proof of his service. > >> I am descended from his daughter Lanie. > >> Below I have listed the following: > >> 1. Patriot service record that is currently listed with the DAR > >> 2. Proof of his moving to PA after serving in the Revolutionary War > >> and the list of his children and where they moved to. > >> 3. Proof of his burial and acknowledgement of his service in the > >> Revolutionary War. > >> If anyone can assist me or direct me to the best place for information to > >> verify this and remove the question, I would be very grateful. > >> Sincerely, > >> Suzanne > >> > >> This is the DAR listing. > >> > >> Rank: PRIVATE > >> Birth: 1758 PRUSSIA > >> Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA > >> Service Source: PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 1, PP 672, 938, 939 > >> Service Description: 1) CAPTS MATHEW HOLGATE, JOHN LEVERING, > >> 2) 2ND BATT, PHILADELPHIA CO MILITIA > >> PENNSYLVANIA > >> > >> The following is from Bradford County Historical Society book: > >> Pioneer and Patriot Families of Bradford County, PA; Heaverly: 1770-1825; > >> Volumes I & II > >> Page 301-302, Volume I > >> > >> George Bloom b. 1754 Ahlersbach, Germany, as a young man was compelled to > >> serve in the Hessian Army and brought to America during the Revolutionary > >> War. He was captured by Americans and espousing their cause never > >> returned. > >> George m. Mary Ater of Maryland. George acquired lot 105 by assignment > >> from > >> Daniel DeWitt on 24 Nov 1790. Enumerated in Chemung, Montgomery (that > >> portion that became Tioga and later Chemung) County, New York in 1790 > >> with > >> one male over age sixteen (b. before 1774), one male under age sixteen > >> (b. > >> 1775-90), and five females in the household. They removed in 1798 to > >> Burlington, Bradford County, Pennsylvania where they raised their > >> children > >> and died. They had children: > >> George settled in Illinois and became very prosperous; > >> Elisha married Bersheba Blakesley and settled in Canton township. They > >> had > >> children: George, John A., Ann (Mrs. Oakley Lewis), Dolly (Mrs. Charles > >> Hoagland), Dameras (Mrs. George Merchant) and Betsy (Mrs. Isaac > >> Hoagland). > >> Joseph married widow Rebecca Braffit (who was left with three children), > >> removed to Ohio where he accumulated a handsome property. > >> David went to California during the gold excitement, "struck it rich" and > >> afterwards settled at Kankakee, Ill. > >> John, the youngest of the family, inherited the homestead. He married > >> Betsy, > >> daughter of Martin Stratton; children: Charles F., Olive, Bursha, > >> Lucinda, > >> H. Melissa, Lucy E. and Sarah E. > >> Polly married Ezra Rutty, Jr. of North Towanda. > >> Lanie married William Ellis and removed to Arcola, Ill. > >> Catharine married Amos Abbott of Canton. > >> Margaret married Mr. Blakesley of Burlington. > >> > >> Burial listing: http://www.joycetice.com/cemb/oldburl1.htm > >> > >> Bloom George 1754 1838 Born in Ahlersbach, Germany > >> Revolutionary War > >> Mary Ater 1841 Died in Baltimore MD, > >> wf of Geogre Bloom > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > >> ~~~~~~~~~ > >> FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message