Wayne, First, Please... that is not my summary. I included the reference data.. from > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessians I have never heard of a study on Hessians and NAs. YOUR"Could there have been any number Hessians that either resided in or moved, into the Sand Lake, New York area?" I don't do research.. You would need to check the 1790 US census. I don't have the expertise to answer this type of question. I once thought the changes were because of the inability of the person recording their names spelling it how it sounded to a non German speaking person, thus not understanding the accent used. but?? I have heard the reference that some changed their surnames but?? Mine didn't. nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:37:58 -0400 > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Trying to understand the Hessians > > Nelda Percival, > > I like your summary story about the Hessians in America! > Do you any information about the number (if any) of the Hessians that stayed > in American and married into the Native American Indian tribes? > Could there have been any number Hessians that either resided in or moved > into the Sand Lake, New York area? > Also, was it a common practice for some Hessians that stayed in America to > change their surname and if they changed their surname was there some common > method to establish the new surname? > > Thanks for any help with these questions!! > > Regards, > Wayne Simmons > http://simmonsgenealogy.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nelda Percival > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Searching for Daniel Howard > > > Chris, > If you haven't found his military records how do you know " He originated > from Hesse, Kasel, Germany." Hesse Kasel was a principaloty Please be aware > Germany was NOT a country untill after 1900. > > COPIED FROM THE WEBSITE - > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/why.htm > > In early 1776, King > George III of England hired units from the various houses or states of > Germany to assist with bringing the the colonist's rebellion to order. The > hiring of foreign troops to supplement a country's army was a normal > procedure during this time of history. Several of the German rulers, needing > hard currency and being "between wars", were only too happy to oblige. > > They were > Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (a principality in northern > Hesse) > King George III's brother in law, his son William, count of > Hesse-Hanau and nephew to King George III; Charles I, Duke of > Brunswick; > Frederick, Prince of Waldeck; Charles Alexander, Margrave of > Anspach-Bayreuth; and Frederick Augustus, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst. > > About 18,000 Hessian > troops arrived in North America in 1776, with more coming in later, of this > about 3/4 of them were from Hesse-Kassel. Thus the colonist's newspapers > referred to all of them as Hessians and the name stuck. > In addition to firepower, American rebels used propaganda against Hessians. > They enticed Hessians to desert to join the German-American population. In > April 1778, one letter promised 50 acres (0.2 km²) of land to every > deserter. > Benjamin Franklin wrote an article that claimed that a Hessian commander > wanted more of his soldiers dead so that he could be better compensated. > After the war ended in 1783, 17,313 Hessians returned to their homelands. Of > the 12,526 who did not, about 7,700 died - around 1,200 were killed in > action and 6,354 died from illness or accidents. Approximately 5,000 > Hessians settled in North America, both in the United States and Canada - > some because their commanders refused to take them back to Germany because > they were criminals or physically unfit. Most of them married and settled > amongst the population of the newly formed United States. Many of them > became farmers or craftsmen. The number of their direct descendants living > in the U.S. and Canada today is still being debated. > Paraphrased or copied for verbatim > from > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessians > > There have been many > emails sent to the archives discussing the reason that the units from these > different Germanic States were called Hessians instead of by their own > area's > name.....~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALSO: > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/germany.h > tm > > The > Germanic States in 1775 > History > of the Germanic StatesNice map and full history > > > > > > Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, > Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - > http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > > GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ > Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > > > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:16:41 -0500 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Searching for Daniel Howard > > > > Hello - > > > > I am hoping someone can help me in my search. > > > > What I DO know is that my hessian ancestors name was Daniel Howard. After > capture he was working farms in Greenwich, Ct before marrying an American. > Im having trouble in finding out where Daniel was captured. He originated > from Hesse, Kasel, Germany. I am assuming that the last name HOWARD might > have been changed from a more German last name. If anyone can provide help > I would appreciate it. > > > > Thank you > > > > Chris Howard > > > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. 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Nelda, Thanks for your response, I am sorry that I misunderstood your posting! Best Regards, Wayne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nelda Percival Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Trying to understand the Hessians Wayne, First, Please... that is not my summary. I included the reference data.. from > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessians I have never heard of a study on Hessians and NAs. YOUR"Could there have been any number Hessians that either resided in or moved, into the Sand Lake, New York area?" I don't do research.. You would need to check the 1790 US census. I don't have the expertise to answer this type of question. I once thought the changes were because of the inability of the person recording their names spelling it how it sounded to a non German speaking person, thus not understanding the accent used. but?? I have heard the reference that some changed their surnames but?? Mine didn't. nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:37:58 -0400 > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Trying to understand the Hessians > > Nelda Percival, > > I like your summary story about the Hessians in America! > Do you any information about the number (if any) of the Hessians that > stayed in American and married into the Native American Indian tribes? > Could there have been any number Hessians that either resided in or > moved into the Sand Lake, New York area? > Also, was it a common practice for some Hessians that stayed in > America to change their surname and if they changed their surname was > there some common method to establish the new surname? > > Thanks for any help with these questions!! > > Regards, > Wayne Simmons > http://simmonsgenealogy.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nelda > Percival > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Searching for Daniel Howard > > > Chris, > If you haven't found his military records how do you know " He > originated from Hesse, Kasel, Germany." Hesse Kasel was a principaloty > Please be aware Germany was NOT a country untill after 1900. > > COPIED FROM THE WEBSITE - > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/why > .htm > > In early 1776, King > George III of England hired units from the various houses or states > of Germany to assist with bringing the the colonist's rebellion to > order. The hiring of foreign troops to supplement a country's army was > a normal procedure during this time of history. Several of the German > rulers, needing hard currency and being "between wars", were only too happy to oblige. > > They were > Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (a principality in > northern > Hesse) > King George III's brother in law, his son William, count of > Hesse-Hanau and nephew to King George III; Charles I, Duke of > Brunswick; > Frederick, Prince of Waldeck; Charles Alexander, Margrave of > Anspach-Bayreuth; and Frederick Augustus, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst. > > About 18,000 Hessian > troops arrived in North America in 1776, with more coming in later, of > this about 3/4 of them were from Hesse-Kassel. Thus the colonist's > newspapers referred to all of them as Hessians and the name stuck. > In addition to firepower, American rebels used propaganda against Hessians. > They enticed Hessians to desert to join the German-American > population. In April 1778, one letter promised 50 acres (0.2 km²) of > land to every deserter. > Benjamin Franklin wrote an article that claimed that a Hessian > commander wanted more of his soldiers dead so that he could be better compensated. > After the war ended in 1783, 17,313 Hessians returned to their > homelands. Of the 12,526 who did not, about 7,700 died - around 1,200 > were killed in action and 6,354 died from illness or accidents. > Approximately 5,000 Hessians settled in North America, both in the > United States and Canada - some because their commanders refused to > take them back to Germany because they were criminals or physically > unfit. Most of them married and settled amongst the population of the > newly formed United States. Many of them became farmers or craftsmen. > The number of their direct descendants living in the U.S. and Canada today is still being debated. > Paraphrased or copied for verbatim > from > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessians > > There have been many > emails sent to the archives discussing the reason that the units from > these different Germanic States were called Hessians instead of by > their own area's > name.....~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALSO: > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ger > many.h > tm > > The > Germanic States in 1775 > History > of the Germanic StatesNice map and full history > > > > > > Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, > Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ind > ex.htm > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - > http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > > GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ > Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > > > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:16:41 -0500 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Searching for Daniel Howard > > > > Hello - > > > > I am hoping someone can help me in my search. > > > > What I DO know is that my hessian ancestors name was Daniel Howard. > > After > capture he was working farms in Greenwich, Ct before marrying an American. > Im having trouble in finding out where Daniel was captured. He > originated from Hesse, Kasel, Germany. I am assuming that the last > name HOWARD might have been changed from a more German last name. If > anyone can provide help I would appreciate it. > > > > Thank you > > > > Chris Howard > > > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. 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