The episode was very interesting and close to home (although I didn't understand how 'Christoph Oeste' all of a sudden became 'Stophel Hesion' - I assume the DAR genealogists made the connection but didn't have time to put it in the episode). Does anyone know if there was an 'official paper' that the Hession prisoners had to sign to be released? My family lore claims that 'our Trenton prisoner Hessian' had to sign a paper swearing that he would no longer fight for the British before he was released. However, something in the episode that the 'Hessian Prisoner Expert' Daniel Krebbs tells Lowe has me wondering if 'releases' were indeed officially documented. He says with regard to Lowe's ancestor: "Unfortunately, we don't have a military record that Christoph went to one of the guards...[to inquire about being released]..." . Cory -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of DeBard Genealogy Nut Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Rob Lowe's Hessian Grenadier Ancestor I knew that people who financed the revolution were eligible for the DAR, but I was a little surprised that simply the act of paying taxes during the time period qualified his ancestor. I expected that Oest(e) might have joined the 'rebel' army, but this was apparently not the case. I don't know how to search the archives here, but I do know that someone who has posted here has a connection to this particular Hessian. John DeBardeleben -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Rob Lowe's Hessian Grenadier Ancestor Dear Nelda and Listers, The SAR contacted Rob Lowe to invite him to join their organization,; so perhaps in honor of John Merz, Nelda could invite Rob Lowe to post his ancestor on the website. I believe the contact could be made through NBC or Ancestry.com/ You can watch the program on the Internet here: http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/ Jane -----Original Message----- From: Susan King <[email protected]> To: amrev-hessians <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Apr 28, 2012 10:34 am Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Trenton Old Barracks on TV I didn't get the tease and know ahead of time that Rob Lowe's ancestor was a essian, but it was easy to determine quickly which direction they were eading with the storyline. I was calling out to the TV, "He was a Hessian, ob!" J Also, so pleased (and thinking of John Merz) when the genealogist orrected the idea that they were mercenaries! Susan PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~ OUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~ ttp://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~ DMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi, You all forget I'm not the list administrator anymore... I'm no different then you - just a member.. Our list administrator deems not to answer any of my emails to them... Why don't you invite him... Nelda L. Percival -PLEASE copy paste links Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: not up yet Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp,Bonstein Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg
Cory, I thought that was a little far fetched...but if the accent and Christopher was misspelled it could be interpreted as Christolphel a Hession?? Also I thought they stretched it a little..Oste is East? WEll maybe... Don't know about a paper to sign as most did not read or write either..remember most were an equal or just above English serfs....but they did have to swear an oath.. so a record?? Maybe! you were educated only if your family was established or had monies.. there was no government paid schooling... Nelda L. Percival -PLEASE copy paste links Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: not up yet Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp,Bonstein Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg
Just for the record, Stophel is the nickname for Christopher. It is the diminutive form of Chris. An el on the end makes it the diminutive. The diminutive for maiden for example is Madel. A little cat is Kaetzel and so on. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 23:30:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Rob Lowe's Hessian Grenadier Ancestor > > > Cory, > I thought that was a little far fetched...but if the accent and Christopher was misspelled it could be interpreted as Christolphel a Hession?? > Also I thought they stretched it a little..Oste is East? WEll maybe... > Don't know about a paper to sign as most did not read or write either..remember most were an equal or just above English serfs....but they did have to swear an oath.. so a record?? Maybe! you were educated only if your family was established or had monies.. there was no government paid schooling... > > > > Nelda L. Percival -PLEASE copy paste links > Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us > Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > GilpinGenetics: not up yet > Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp,Bonstein > Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Nelda; What makes you think that "most did not read or write either". As a matter of fact, in the Quebec church records (Ancestry.com, Drouin Collection, 1621-1967, digitized) you will find that most Germans could indeed sign their name. It was the exception who could not sign, and even then, some pretended they couldn't sign on one document but signed their name on others. Of course, whether they could speak or write in English is another matter. The question of education, religion, etc. in Europe including the German Federation is well covered in a book entitled "Rousseau and Revolution" by Will and Ariel Durant (Simon and Schuster, New York, 1967). It covers the history of France, England and what is now Germany from 1756 to 1789, and in the remainder of Europe from 1715 to 1789. Frank Watters Descendant of Johann Halbär -----Original Message----- From: Nelda Percival Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Rob Lowe's Hessian Grenadier Ancestor Cory, I thought that was a little far fetched...but if the accent and Christopher was misspelled it could be interpreted as Christolphel a Hession?? Also I thought they stretched it a little..Oste is East? WEll maybe... Don't know about a paper to sign as most did not read or write either..remember most were an equal or just above English serfs....but they did have to swear an oath.. so a record?? Maybe! you were educated only if your family was established or had monies.. there was no government paid schooling... Nelda L. Percival -PLEASE copy paste links Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: not up yet Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp,Bonstein Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My GGG GF Hessian (actually Ansbach-Bayreuth) Johann Klein appears to have been literate as I have copies of several marriage bonds he signed with a beautiful Germanic hand. He appears to have been a common Soldier, not even an NCO. Somehow his son, my GG GF, also learned to write while living out on the Virginia frontier. However, my G GF does not appear to have been literate. That seems to have been typical for American farmers in the 1800s and on into the 1900s based on my real estate law work on old land titles. Chris Cline -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nelda Percival Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Rob Lowe's Hessian Grenadier Ancestor Cory, I thought that was a little far fetched...but if the accent and Christopher was misspelled it could be interpreted as Christolphel a Hession?? Also I thought they stretched it a little..Oste is East? WEll maybe... Don't know about a paper to sign as most did not read or write either..remember most were an equal or just above English serfs....but they did have to swear an oath.. so a record?? Maybe! you were educated only if your family was established or had monies.. there was no government paid schooling... Nelda L. Percival -PLEASE copy paste links Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: not up yet Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp,Bonstein Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
John, http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Military:_US_Revolution/AMREV-HESSIANS.html this is where you sign up for the mailing list at the bottom of the section you will see search or browse the archives. ~~~~~~ Now no individual financed the revolution, individuals gave what they could, but there was no millionaire financing the war...If you can prove your family gave any type of support your eligible. The tax record they refer to here was specifically for the war effort and not a normal tax, from how I understand it.. nelda Nelda L. Percival -PLEASE copy paste links Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: not up yet Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp,Bonstein Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg I knew that people who financed the revolution were eligible for the DAR, > but I was a little surprised that simply the act of paying taxes during the > time period qualified his ancestor. I expected that Oest(e) might have > joined the 'rebel' army, but this was apparently not the case. > > I don't know how to search the archives here, but I do know that someone who > has posted here has a connection to this particular Hessian. > > John DeBardeleben