Everett, here is some additional information - In the Monograph #28, Part 3, by Clifford Neal Smith, Desereters by Date of Desertions - there were only a total of 14 desertions listed from Hessian Regiments, your Henrich Spies was one of them, plus two more men from the same company, SCHAEFFER, Arnold, and SCHAEFFER, Johannes. Both of them came from Waltersbrueck D-3581. If they all took off at the same time I don't know, but it could well be, and perhaps they stuck together. Worth looking into. Cheers, John Merz From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:42 AM > <SNIP> > From Hetrina III following the entry for Friedrich SPIES comes: > Henrich SPIES, born 1752/54 in Schwebda D-3441 (same as Friedrich), > private soldier, 3.Comp., Kassel Regt. Erbprinz. on Muster Roll in 1775, > and later listed as deserted in April 1781. No further information for this > man has come in, and myself have had no enquiries for him from anybody. > That's why he was not on my lists. > > But let's talk about his date of desertion, or that's the question, when he > was reported as a deserted. The Kassel Erbprinz Regiment was shipped from > New York to Portsmouth, Virginia in March 1781, where it joinred the > Cornwallis army. Henrich Spies either deserted just before shipping out, > which would mean he stayed around New York, or he deserted right after > arrival in Portsmouth, Virginia, and made his way somewhere. > In any event, so far nobody I know of, has asked for him. Perhaps he jumped > ship, drowned, or whatever, and who knows, perhaps used another name.

Where may I find the Monograph #28, Part 3 by Clifford Neal Smith to locate those who deserted in Feb 1781. My ANDREAS MEHLMANN did so from RGT van Bose in , I believe, North Carolina? Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: John Merz To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:03 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: SPIES - SPEES - Lost in America... (and SCHAEFFER) Everett, here is some additional information - In the Monograph #28, Part 3, by Clifford Neal Smith, Desereters by Date of Desertions - there were only a total of 14 desertions listed from Hessian Regiments, your Henrich Spies was one of them, plus two more men from the same company, SCHAEFFER, Arnold, and SCHAEFFER, Johannes. Both of them came from Waltersbrueck D-3581. If they all took off at the same time I don't know, but it could well be, and perhaps they stuck together. Worth looking into. Cheers, John Merz From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:42 AM > <SNIP> > From Hetrina III following the entry for Friedrich SPIES comes: > Henrich SPIES, born 1752/54 in Schwebda D-3441 (same as Friedrich), > private soldier, 3.Comp., Kassel Regt. Erbprinz. on Muster Roll in 1775, > and later listed as deserted in April 1781. No further information for this > man has come in, and myself have had no enquiries for him from anybody. > That's why he was not on my lists. > > But let's talk about his date of desertion, or that's the question, when he > was reported as a deserted. The Kassel Erbprinz Regiment was shipped from > New York to Portsmouth, Virginia in March 1781, where it joinred the > Cornwallis army. Henrich Spies either deserted just before shipping out, > which would mean he stayed around New York, or he deserted right after > arrival in Portsmouth, Virginia, and made his way somewhere. > In any event, so far nobody I know of, has asked for him. Perhaps he jumped > ship, drowned, or whatever, and who knows, perhaps used another name. ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. Please no signature lines, they confuse our mail list archives.

William -- This three part monograph, published in Nov 1992, is available via LDS Family History Centers under US/CAN Book call number "973 W2smn no. 28 pt. 1-3". It was compiled from HETRINA as listed in the LDS FHL catalog: -- "The following subseries of monographs in the German-American Genealogical Research Series represents research on the soldiers of Kurhessen (Electoral Hesse) which has been done as a result of the publication of the muster rolls in the Staatsarchiv Marburg, entitled "Hessische Truppen im amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg (Hetrina). Hetrina, by which this seminal work is known--certainly one of the most important in German-American genealogical research--is a collection of four volumes of computer runs representing the analysis of a large body of muster rolls in the State Archives in Marburg. Only about a hundred sets of Hetrina are known to exist in the United States. Note that this piece only cites to HETRINA vols I through IV (HETRINA V is re: troops fro! m Waldeck & HETRINA VI is re: troops from Hesse-Hanau). The LDS FHL Catalog lists the parts as published under three ISBNs, viz-- 0915162938 (Pt. 1), 0915162946 (Pt. 2), 0915162954 (Pt. 3). Barnes & Noble lists the last two ISBNs as applicable to Parts 1 and 2, respectively, but neither lists an ISBN for Part 3 nor recognizes ISBN 0915162938. The original document referred to in HETRINA are the "Monatliche Listen" [monthy reports] in the old "blaue Nr." [blue number] series at the archives in Marburg. The place of origin and age given in the reports were extracted into HETRINA. About the only other information which may be given is the man's height (measured by the Prussian system of Fuß, Zoll and Strich where 1 Fuß = 12 Zoll and 1 Zoll = 4 Strich =2.62 cm) and the exact date of desertion and probably names the place of desertion. My limited experience with the series shows that there was no consistency in the structure of the Monatliche Listen. Some follow the standard British reporting structure and others are more or less composite lists of transfers (in and out), promotions, deserters, deaths, etc. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM M HORNER To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Re: SPIES - SPEES - Lost in America... (and SCHAEFFER) Where may I find the Monograph #28, Part 3 by Clifford Neal Smith to locate those who deserted in Feb 1781. My ANDREAS MEHLMANN did so from RGT van Bose in , I believe, North Carolina? Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: John Merz To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:03 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: SPIES - SPEES - Lost in America... (and SCHAEFFER) Everett, here is some additional information - In the Monograph #28, Part 3, by Clifford Neal Smith, Desereters by Date of Desertions - there were only a total of 14 desertions listed from Hessian Regiments, your Henrich Spies was one of them, plus two more men from the same company, SCHAEFFER, Arnold, and SCHAEFFER, Johannes. Both of them came from Waltersbrueck D-3581. If they all took off at the same time I don't know, but it could well be, and perhaps they stuck together. Worth looking into. Cheers, John Merz From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:42 AM > <SNIP> > From Hetrina III following the entry for Friedrich SPIES comes: > Henrich SPIES, born 1752/54 in Schwebda D-3441 (same as Friedrich), > private soldier, 3.Comp., Kassel Regt. Erbprinz. on Muster Roll in 1775, > and later listed as deserted in April 1781. No further information for this > man has come in, and myself have had no enquiries for him from anybody. > That's why he was not on my lists. > > But let's talk about his date of desertion, or that's the question, when he > was reported as a deserted. The Kassel Erbprinz Regiment was shipped from > New York to Portsmouth, Virginia in March 1781, where it joinred the > Cornwallis army. Henrich Spies either deserted just before shipping out, > which would mean he stayed around New York, or he deserted right after > arrival in Portsmouth, Virginia, and made his way somewhere. > In any event, so far nobody I know of, has asked for him. Perhaps he jumped > ship, drowned, or whatever, and who knows, perhaps used another name. ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. Please no signature lines, they confuse our mail list archives. ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything else, you find the explanations by checking our key word archive http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication.