Bob, Your explanation to James Funkhouser helped, but I'm still wondering about Hetrina listings. > >If you examine the application of Code 01, you with see that > > almost universally the reference begins with SR indicating a Stammrolle > > The majority of the other entries in HETRINA are generated from the > > [monthly lists] generated in America. These all start with a four digit > > "blaue Nr." [blue number] begining 88xx. Does this apply to Hesse-Cassel only? The page copy I have with the listings for the Schefer/Schaeffers has no leading numbers at all--SR, blaue Nr. 88xx, or any other. It starts with the names only, e.g. "Schefer/Schaeffer Christian 20 Nauheim D6350 MU HHE2 03 76FE 959,232" I've pretty well figured out that much, but on the page are 11 entries for this soldier. What's confusing is two 01 entries one for MR76 and one AP 79 ??? Three years apart. Same regiment and company. What's the deal? Is he waiting for deployment? Later on there's a Johannes Schaeffer 19 Nauheim ... 03 71JL 30 Nauheim... 11 82NO I'm told the number before the town is the soldier's age. So do we have two soldiers here with their records mixed together?? For the "19 yr old"? we have 01 (appointed) 76MR and 79AP Now I realize that this is only the date the item is entered in the records, but 3 years apart? He's a gemeiner in HHE5 in both entries. Jeri . > > > > Bob Brooks > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. > To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS > To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

> Your explanation to James Funkhouser helped, but I'm still wondering about > Hetrina listings. > >> >If you examine the application of Code 01, you with see that >> > almost universally the reference begins with SR indicating a Stammrolle >> > The majority of the other entries in HETRINA are generated from the >> > [monthly lists] generated in America. These all start with a four >> > digit >> > "blaue Nr." [blue number] begining 88xx. > > Does this apply to Hesse-Cassel only? Yes. The Waldeck (HETRINA V) material is Best. 118, Nr. 942, 951, 972 (2 parts), and 978. I don't own HETRINA VI covering the Hesse-Hanau troops but the few pages I have copies of idicate three format differences: (1) the line number in the printout has been deleated, (2) instead of calculating a approximate date of birth based on the aged stated in the original, they simply presented the age, and (3) the date format changed from 12:1776 to 76DE. The references indicate a separate Bestand and piece numbers, details of which I expect would be with the front-matter, presumably in the section in German. As for Code 01, I like to think of oversimplifying it as meaning the response "Here!" or "Present!" in a roll call. >>>The page copy I have with the > listings for the Schefer/Schaeffers has no leading numbers at all--SR, > blaue > Nr. 88xx, or any other. It starts with the names only, e.g. > "Schefer/Schaeffer Christian 20 Nauheim D6350 MU HHE2 03 76FE 959,232" > I've pretty well figured out that much, but on the page are 11 entries for > this soldier. > What's confusing is two 01 entries one for MR76 and one AP 79 ??? Three > years apart. > Same regiment and company. What's the deal? Is he waiting for > deployment? March 1776, of course, would be some sort of pre-march or pre-embarkation muster. I don't know the significance of the April 1779 report. The flags of HHE surrendered with Burgoyne at Ssaratoga, but only 347 of the rank and file of the regiment were amoung those who started south in the winter march from Cambridge Mass to Charlottesville Va (only 260 rank & file arrived). There remained a cadre of HHE in Canada after the surrender (probably those sick or wounded or those who were assigned to rear-guard duties so did not surrender). Assuming that your lad is not listed as a POW, then he may have remained wih the rear echelon. > Later on there's a Johannes Schaeffer 19 Nauheim ... 03 71JL > 30 Nauheim... > 11 82NO > I'm told the number before the town is the soldier's age. So do we have > two > soldiers here with their records mixed together?? I would say "No!" July 1771 to Nov 1782 is 11 years 4 months and the age jumped 11 years from 19 to 30. What doesn't make sense to me is why they are including 1771 records. Bob Brooks

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Brooks" <rcbrooks@pivot.net> > > Does this apply to Hesse-Cassel only? > Yes. The Waldeck (HETRINA V) material is Best. ("Best" that's the German definition? the best way to enter materials in the record?) > I don't own HETRINA VI covering the Hesse-Hanau troops but > the few pages I have copies of ... > The references indicate a separate Bestand and piece numbers, details > of which I expect would be with the front-matter, presumably in the section > in German. ("Bestand" some kind of separate stock or location of materials?) > As for Code 01, I like to think of oversimplifying it as meaning the > response "Here!" or "Present!" in a roll call. I like it ! >The flags of HHE surrendered with Burgoyne at Ssaratoga, >Assuming that your lad is not listed as a POW, then he may have remained wih the rear >echelon. My ancestor Christian Schaeffer was with the Hesse-Hanau troops, Company 2. He's listed in Hetrina and I found him in the Hesse-Hanau Order Books by Bruce Burgoyne, in the Col. v Gall Company. He became a POW--Hetrina shows 82SE. And he indentured himself. Also entered in the books at 82SE. So...he was with Burgoyne at the Saratoga surrender, marched to the prison camps, and later turns up indenturing himself near Reading (where the Hessian POW camp was located.) > > Later on there's a Johannes Schaeffer 19 Nauheim ... 03 71JL > > 30 Nauheim... 11 82NO > >So do we have two soldiers here with their records mixed together?? > > I would say "No!" July 1771 to Nov 1782 is 11 years 4 months and the age > jumped 11 years from 19 to 30. What doesn't make sense to me is why they > are including 1771 records. > > Bob Brooks I wonder if this man may have been a career soldier, inducted in 1771 and subsequently deployed to the Revolutionary forces in 1782. Hetrina lists 82NO--he was captured and indentured himself. Thanks much for the explanations and your help in sorting out this stuff. Jeri