> HETRINA says a Hessian soldier was recruited or inducted in June 1777 and > appointed in the unit rolls in Feb. 1783 > What does "appointed in the unit rolls" mean? Code 01 "genannt, insbesondere in den Rangierlisten" was translated by the HETRINA scholars as "appointed, especially in the unit rolls." The word "genannt" is an ajective, the past participle of the irregular verb "nennen." Instead of "appointed" I would say "named, especially in the unit rolls." If you examine the application of Code 01, you with see that almost universally the reference begins with SR indicating a Stammrolle (Maß- und Rangierlisten). For most of the Hesse-Cassel Regiments, HETRINA cites the SR preceeding and following the deployment to America. Many are undated except for the year; i.e., "0:1775" and "1783" or "1784" or even "1785," depending on the availability of the "next" SR. The dates referenced on some SRs suggests thet were dated in America. The majority of the other entries in HETRINA are generated from the Monatliche Listen [monthly lists] generated in America. These all start with a four digit "blaue Nr." [blue number] begining 88xx. There is no significance to the "blaue Nr" other than a refernce to the storage location. The monthly lists only report exceptions to behavior and if a man joined after the 1775 SR and was discharged before the next SR and was never in trouble, never promoted, never captured, never transferred, etc., etc., HETRINA would not list the man although he would have severved over six years in America. Code 02 versus a June 1777 date say that he was one of the 1777 replacement recruits. If the only other listing is Code 01 versus a Feb 1783 SR, then it means there was nothing to report in the interim. I have never viewed a SR so can't make an authorative statement. I have seen a few of the monthly lists which vary signifivcantly between the regiments. Bob Brooks

Thanks, Bob, for the explanation of the HETRINA listings. Am I justified in assuming that there are Monatliche Listen and perhaps other records created by these units that are not listed in HETRINA? Jim Funkhouser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Brooks" <rcbrooks@pivot.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] definition of term used in HETRINA >> HETRINA says a Hessian soldier was recruited or inducted in June 1777 and >> appointed in the unit rolls in Feb. 1783 > >> What does "appointed in the unit rolls" mean? > > Code 01 "genannt, insbesondere in den Rangierlisten" was translated by the > HETRINA scholars as "appointed, especially in the unit rolls." The word > "genannt" is an ajective, the past participle of the irregular verb > "nennen." Instead of "appointed" I would say "named, especially in the > unit rolls." If you examine the application of Code 01, you with see that > almost universally the reference begins with SR indicating a Stammrolle > (Maß- und Rangierlisten). For most of the Hesse-Cassel Regiments, HETRINA > cites the SR preceeding and following the deployment to America. Many are > undated except for the year; i.e., "0:1775" and "1783" or "1784" or even > "1785," depending on the availability of the "next" SR. The dates > referenced on some SRs suggests thet were dated in America. The majority > of the other entries in HETRINA are generated from the Monatliche Listen > [monthly lists] generated in America. These all start with a four digit > "blaue Nr." [blue number] begining 88xx. There is no significance to the > "blaue Nr" other than a refernce to the storage location. The monthly > lists only report exceptions to behavior and if a man joined after the > 1775 SR and was discharged before the next SR and was never in trouble, > never promoted, never captured, never transferred, etc., etc., HETRINA > would not list the man although he would have severved over six years in > America. > > Code 02 versus a June 1777 date say that he was one of the 1777 > replacement recruits. If the only other listing is Code 01 versus a Feb > 1783 SR, then it means there was nothing to report in the interim. I have > never viewed a SR so can't make an authorative statement. I have seen a > few of the monthly lists which vary signifivcantly between the regiments. > > Bob Brooks

Jim -- > Am I justified in assuming that there are Monatliche Listen and perhaps > other records created by these units that are not listed in HETRINA? I believe that all the known, applicable Monatlich Listen -[monthly lists] were used in HETRINA. The far right column is the citation of the record. Anything starting SRxxx is a Stammrolle and anything starting 88xx/xx is from a monthly list. HETRINA includes a few other documents. For example, RL69,xx is from the book of officer's promotion; 4h410/xxx is the monthly lists for the Trenton POWs, etc. Are there other materials not included in the HETRINA series? I don't know but I would be very surprized to learn that there were NOT items missed. The HETRINA series is simply an annotated index to the records found in the archives. It was put together by the students at the Archivschule Marburg and the data was keypunched onto IBM 80 column cards, then run through a card sorter. Data was manipulated (especially names) so the the cards sorted the way they wanted them to but this was "state of the art" in database design in the early 1970s. Some entries required two cards to report one entry. For example, in the records of Regiment Erbprinz (code: ERB) you will find a lot of records dated 5:1783 with the same source sitation but on is code 11 (POW) and the other is code 12 (deserted). On the surface, it appears that they deserted from POW status in May 1783 but waht the record really says is that on 14 May 1783 when they went to round up all the POW who had surrendered at Yorktown 20 months earlier, these fellas were no shows. This means they may have deserted anytime since the prior report. Bob Brooks