I am researching my ancestor Philip CARREL born about 1776 in either Pennsylvania or Germany. I have never been able to find any records of him prior to 1812, in western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio. He was a soldier in the War of 1812 and died in December 1813 while in service with the Regular U. S. Army at Fort Detroit. He had earlier served as a volunteer in Pennsylvania Militia. He appears on no census records, tax lists, church records or other documents of the time as far as I can determine, but his military records do exist at NARA. He and his wife Mary had nine minor children when he died in 1813, and court records of his estate administration and legal guardians for his children are found in Jefferson County, Ohio in 1818. The surname CARREL was spelled in various ways in his military records - but his descendants finally settled on CARROLL about 1850, which is how they spell it today. Recently I joined the Carroll surname Y-DNA family project in a last ditch effort to find Philip Carrel's origins. The initial results were surprising, as they clearly indicate an Eastern Europe origin, and almost no chance of being from the British Isles, Ireland, etc. These results also fairly exclude the Rhine Valley and the Palatinate. They point instead to eastern Germany (Sachsen und Sachsen-Anhalt), and Slovenia. (I can't imagine how a Slovenian might have been in Colonial America in the 1700s.) The Hessian soldiers however were from six German principalities including Sachsen and Sachsen-Anhalt, (Saxony and Saxony-Anhalt), and Ansbach-Bayreuth in Bavaria. Our Carrel Y-DNA matches that of men living in those areas today. I understand that approximately 5000 Hessians remained behind after the Revolutionary War. This raises the possibility that my Philip Carrel might have been a son of one of them, perhaps even an illegitimate son. I need to find the records of surnames of Hessians who were sent here, and search for surname CARREL or something close to that spelling, such as Carle or Karl, etc. I don't know where to begin, and any help or comments would be much appreciated. Eric Olson Carroll-DNA list administrator ericbear@pcweb.net

Hello List, hello Eric... ...taking a shot with a blindfold on huh? Good luck, I did too, except I knew the name of my GGGG. Until you hear from someone else on the List and leaving the sorting of the various principalities and Divisions to you: CARL, Adam, b.Wetzlar, Hessen-Hanau Artillery. CARL, Fredrich, b. Braunschweig. Lt.Col.Lenz' Co.. KLÄRLE, Jacob, b.Steinau, Second Vacant Co.. KLERLE ?, Jacques, b. Steinau, Major v. Germann's Co.. CARLE, Heinrich, Maj.Matheus Co.. CARLE,Henry, work release/employer-Adam Orth, Lebanon, with prisoners John Hellebrand, Justus F(V)ogel, John Gersten. COLLE, Christian, "apparently Braunschweig, list of servant- prisoners, former master- Lt.von Hesler?" CARL, Gottfried, Brunswick Dragoons. CARLE, Pierre, Batt.Grenadier Vacant Graff,Capt.Hohenstein's Co.. CAUL, Freidrich, ...Vacant Graff, Maj.Hessenmueller's Co.. KOLLE, Johann, Brunswick Dragoons, Capt.von Schlageteuffel All of thess from various C.N.Smith monographs. I didn't add dates as my time is very limited and at this point, they likely wouldn't help you much. You can look for a repeat of one of these given names among your Philip's children. Using various spellings, you can also check "Filby's Passenger Lists" of 25(?) volumes for him prior to 1812. A daunting task, but I've scoured all of them 3 times (so far) for my emigrant. Again, good luck. Heinrich Forrer's, Ron Ferry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear@pcweb.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Hessian Surname Records > I am researching my ancestor Philip CARREL born about 1776 in either Pennsylvania or Germany. <snipped> or something close to that spelling, such as Carle or Karl, etc. I don't know where to begin, and any help or comments would be much appreciated. <snipped> > Eric Olson

>>> I am researching my ancestor Philip CARREL born about 1776 in either >>> Pennsylvania or Germany. <<CLIP>> >>> I understand that approximately 5000 Hessians remained behind after the >>> Revolutionary War. This raises the possibility that my Philip Carrel >>> might have been a son of one of them, perhaps even an illegitimate son. >>> I need to find the records of surnames of Hessians who were sent here, >>> and search for surname CARREL or something close to that spelling, such >>> as Carle or Karl, etc. <<CLIP>> How strong do you feel about your "born about 1776" statement. The first Hesse-Cassel continguent arrived at New York 12 Aug 1776. In 1776 whether married or unmarried it still took nine months between conception and birth. In probability it was a consensual conception because if the name of the father was known, then rape probably can be eliminated. I don't have a complete set of references to all the German soldiers who served in the AWI; however, there were a bunch of men named Corell in the Regt v. Knyphausen. Here are the mostly likely to have fathered your Philip Carrel Andreas Corell from Schrecksbach, b. ca. 1748-49, Gemeiner [Private], 2nd co., Regt v. Knyphausen, wounded and taken POW at Trenton, incarcerated at Lancaster PA where he worked for George Coyer of Warwick, presumed exchanged in July 1778, presumed taken POW with the capture of the transports MOLLY and TRITON off Egg Harbor NJ in Sep 1779 and taken to the New Jail in Philadelphia. The May 1783 regimental Monatliche Listen still carries him as a POW so he probably remained in America. Konrad Corell from Merzhausen, Gemeiner [Private], co. 5, Regt v. Knyphausen, according to HETRINA III, first shows up as a POW in Sep 1779 which would be the MOLLY/TRITON capture. He, too, is still listed as a POW in May 1783. According to the daybook of Capitaine d'Armes Jeremias Kappes, his name was Johan Conrad Correll, he was b. 1751, Merzhausen Ziegenhain, stood 5 Fuß 5 Zoll one Striche, was of the Reformed church, unmarried, joined the regiment 12 Aug 1771, and was a Smith by occupation. Kappes noted those who died or deserted and he is not so noted. If he joined in 1771, then he should have appeared in the 1775 Stammrolle. HETRINA III lists rtice by surname only a Corell from Merzhausenin co. 5, Regt. v. Knyphausen -- He is b. ca. 1746-47 on the Apr 1775 Stammrolle and also on the list of those who avoided capture at Trenton. HETRINA III also lists a Konrad Corell of Merzhausen, b. ca. 1755-56, on the 1785 Stammrolle. There is a probability that these records all apply to the same man. There were two Henrich Corell's, both from Willingshausen, and both Gemeiners [Privates] in co. 4, Regt. v. Knyphausen. Both apparently were taken POW at Trenton. One was wounded and is listed in the March 1777 report as dying from battle causes. The other presumably was exchanged in July 1778. The other apparently worked for Captain Abraham Ferry of Rapho. Perhaps this is the same Henrich Corell from Allendorf found on the 1785 Stammrolle. Finally, there is a Wilhelm Corell of Treysa, b. ca 1751-53, Gemeiner [Private], co. 4, Regt. v. Knyhausen. He was taken POW at Trenton and worked for Samuel Wright of Boyd's Ferry while interred. Ziegenhain, now part of Schwalm-Eder-Kreis, was the garrison town for the Regt v. Knyhausen.Willingshausen center is about one mile west of Merzhausen and Schreksbach is about 2 to 2-1/2 miles east-southeast of Merzhausen. Ziegenhain is about three miles north of Merzhausen. These would all be local boys and probably brothers and or cousins of a sort. Check out: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/main.adp?country=DE There are other Corell's named in HETRINA III but none are real candidates to be your sower of wild oats. HETRINA II lists a Johannes Corell of Wiillingshausen, b. ca. 1748-49, Sergeant, co. 3., Regt Prinz Carl who died on non-battle-related causes in Feb 1783. I don't have HETRINA I or IV (Hesse-Cassel) at hand. HETRINA V is the Waldeck troops. HETRINA VI is the Hesse-Hanau troops. I don't see anything similar in the Ansbach-Bayreth records. For the Brunswick troops, you need to look at the works of Clifford Neal Smith (translating Helmut Hans Rimpau) or Claus Reuter. For the Anhalt-Zerbst troops go to Virginia DeMarce. The A-Z troops didnt come over until 1778 and never got out of Canada, so that is a low probabity source. Bob Brooks