Hi Robert, SEE MESSAGE BELOW I redirected you answer to the mailing list... all correspondance should be addressed to the list.. that way all those good researcher out there can read what you write... and possibly help you.. Thanks for answering... Nelda Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Robert F. Abbott" <abbottrobl.2@cox.net> To: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Welcome Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:12:45 -0600 Hi Nelda, My Hessian Revolutionary War Soldier is Michael Lorance (Lorentz). I have a copy of his Pension file from the national Archives which included his wife Esther Moore and children. My line is through George Washington Lorance and wife Palexina Northcutt, their daughter Madora Lorance and husband Gideon Allen, and their son Ephraim Robert Allen and wife Martha Todd, and their daughter Nuffie Mae Allen and husband Henry Preston Abbott ( my parents). My brick wall is Michael before landing at Staten Island on 03 June 1777. Any help in finding information from Germany and my German cousins would be appreciated. I will write more if you wish. Thanks for asking. Robert

----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly@comcast.net> To: "Heer-L" <heer-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "BarryGmai" <cbarrfly@gmail.com>; "BarryCast" <cbarrfly@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:09 AM Subject: one of 2 letters from Genl Washington to Bartholomew von Heer in the Washington Papers This is one of 2 letters from Genl Washington to Bartholomew von Heer (our Jacob Barlett member of the von Heer Dragoons) in the Washington Papers located at: http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=WasFi22.xml&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=157&division=div1 I believe there are more, possibly in other Washington Papers locations, although I may be thinking of Heer to Washington letters. Barry Wetherington ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Washington, George, 1732-1799. The writings of George Washington from the original manuscript sources Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia Library | Table of Contents for this work | | All on-line databases | Etext Center Homepage | To CAPTAIN BARTHOLOMEW VON HEER Head Quarters, New Jersey, June 1, 1781. Sir: I have been favored with your Letter of the 25 Inst. together with . . . . . . . . . . . . Barry Wetherington ==================== Nelda, FYI: George Washington msg: 'Medicines, etc., for the Hessian sick', see below a.. To Captain Bartholomew von Heer, June 1 His care and attention to his troop -- Pay and emoluments due -- Remounting his dragoons. 149 a.. To Baron von Knyphausen, June 1 His complaint -- Medicines, etc., for the Hessian sick. 150 http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=WasFi22.xml&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=all a.. Pax et bonum! Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 & #105 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://www.doodleartgraphics.com/

Robert -- You wrote: > My Hessian Revolutionary War Soldier is Michael Lorance (Lorentz). <SNIP> > My brick wall is Michael before landing at Staten Island on 03 June 1777. > Any help in finding information from Germany and my German cousins would > be appreciated. If you are able to pinpoint your soldier to an arrival date of 03 June 1777, then you have narrowed your quest significantly because that was the arrival date of the convoy escorted by HMS Somerset (64-guns, Captain George Ourry, commanding), HMS Mercury, (24-guns, Captain James Montagu), HMS Fox, (28-guns, Captain Patrick Fotheringham), HMS Dispatch, (Sloop of War, Master & Commander Christopher Mason), and MS Pegasus, (Sloop or War, M&C Hamilton Gore). This convoy included the transports carrying the Ansbach-Bayreuth deployment and the 1777 Hessian Chasseurs (Jägers) and replacement recruits. The Anspach-Bayreuth contingent comprised 1404 heads (60 officers, 11 surgeons, 1271 men & 62 women) transported in 10 ships. The Hessian contingent comprised 538 heads (5 officers, 3 surgeons, 489 men, 29 women & 12 children). I find in Erhard Städler, _Die Ansbach-Bayreuther Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrig 1777-1783_ ["The Ansbach-Bayreth Troops in the American Independence War 1777-1783] Nürnberg, 1956) the following listing; Lorenz, Michael, Gemeiner. B I. Des. 13. 8. 78. A "Gemeiner" was a "Private." "B I." indicates he served in the commpany commanded by Oberst Johann Heinrich Christian Franz von Seybothen. "B" indicates he was in the junior battaliojn/regiment called by many names, the most popular being the "Bayreuth Regiment" or the "Second Battalion of the Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiment." Whatever you call them, these were the lads with the black lapels (the other battalion/regiment had red lapels). Until 06 Feb 1778, this was the second senior company in the "blacks" but on that date Col v. Voit moved to take command of the "reds and v. Seybothen took command of the "blacks." "Des. 13. 8. 78" indicates he deserted on 13 Aug 1778. At that time, the A-Bs were in the vicinity of Newport, Rhode Island, at the end of the so-called "Battle of Rhode Island." Städler's source for his study was the muster rolls found at The National Archive (formerly the Public Record Office) at Kew, in the Greater London area. The citation is T 38/812 which comprises two boxes and has about 225 muster rolls included. Unfortunately, these muster rolls only give the man's name and as they were submitted to the British for payment, they are written in French, the international diplomatic language of the day. About 1802, the government published a list of deserters in America who had nine months to appear in court to explain their desertion or else the government would confiscate their property. This list of about 200 names named the town each man belonged to. Alas Michael Lorenz is not on that list. I recommend you read the Journal of Conrad Döhla (translated by Bruce E. Burgoyne, in print, and available by interlibrary loan if not at you local library) to learn what happened from the time the troops marched from home, the mutiny enroute to the coast, the trip to America, going to Philadelphia, the return to New York, then the deployment to Rhode Island. Döhla was in B IV, therefore was in a different company in the same regiment) Bob Brooks, retired on the downeast coast of Maine