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    1. Re: [HESSIAN] The Ships Archer and Trenton
    2. Diane and Fred Vickerson
    3. I am not aware of it being online. Actually, at least 2 of these soldiers did return to Hessen-Kassel. It has been assumed that all soldiers who ended up settling in North America remained here after the war. I am aware of 2 who returned and later came back to settle. Gerog Weckesser (my ancestor) and Wilhelm Fischer (regimental drummer of the v. Knyphausen regiment) returned to Germany in 1783. Later (fall of 1786), Fischer dueled with a corporal Rauther (a duel which he presumably won) and was demoted. In the spring of 1787 both Fischer and Weckesser deserted and escaped from Hessen-Kassel with their young families and somehow made it back to Prince Edward Island. Fred -------Original Message------- From: Nelda Percival Date: 4/9/2005 11:59:25 AM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSIAN] The Ships Archer and Trenton Hi Fred, Your: For those who are interested, the voyage of the Archer is detailed in the troop diary of the von Knyphausen written by Lt. Ritter. Ritter was on board the Archer, so his account paints an interesting picture of the adventures of these troops. The diary has been translated into English. Do you know if this diary is on line any where. Capt. Wiederhold's diary was on line at http://www.americanrevolution.org/hess20.html but that does not seem to be a working URL now... It told all about the storm.. It is no wonder men on the Trenton ship stayed in America... I would not have gotten back on a ship for love or money... after reading what they went through... Thank you Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse them, going from one message to another. To search: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=AMREV-HESSIANS To browse: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

    04/09/2005 07:36:59
    1. Re: [HESSIAN] The Ships Archer and Trenton
    2. Nelda Percival
    3. Hi Fred, Have you read the story or diary of Capt. Wiederhold about the storm? He was on the Trenton It was at http://www.americanrevolution.org/hess20.html But that link is not working... but I have parts of it on my site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/hstry/bonhist1.htm I found it quite interesting and like I said its a wonder any soldier on that ship would ever get on another... I'd be afraid to as my luck to have lived might be used up! Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gillock/ http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/

    04/09/2005 10:01:06
    1. Re: [HESSIAN] The Ships Archer and Trenton
    2. Bob Brooks
    3. Nelda > Have you read the story or diary of Capt. Wiederhold about the storm? He > was on the Trenton <clip> Stabskapitän (Staff-Captain) Andreas Wiederhold was on the brig TRITON, not the "Trenton" which was the battle where many of these lads had been taken POW at an earlier date. The senior Hessian officer onboard the TRITON was Obristleutnant (Lt Col) Carl Philipp Heymel. A Citation from *Johannes Schwalm, the Hessian* (JSHA, 1976) indicates that his diary "Diary of Lt Col Carl Philipp Heymel" is at the William L. Clements Library at UMich, Ann Arbor. I do not find it listed in the online catalog. Although I have been compiling info on transports for quite a while, my lists are quite incomplete. I want to empasize the word "speculate" I speculate that the TRITON was the brig of 224 tons owned and commanded by James Thornton. She was armed with six carriage guns and two swivels and was manned by a crew of 18 when she came to America transporting 140 Hessians of the second section of the First (Heisters) Division of Hessians which had departed Spithead on 26 May and arrived at New York on 12 Aug 1776. As for the MOLLY, there are too many of that name to speculate with any confidencne. In the same outward convoy as the TRITON, there was a ship MOLLY of 268 tons, owned by Alexander spears of Glasgow with John Lash as master. This MOLLY was ared with two swivel guns, had a crew of 17, and brought out 128 Hessians. In the first section of the First Division of Hessians, there was a MOLLY of 212 tons which brought out 100 men of the Grenadier Battalian Mingerode. The Captain's name was Samuel Mitchenson. This MOLLY departed Spithead three weeks before the second second; however, both sections rendezvoused off LOng Island on 11 Aug and all entered NY Harbor the following day. The first section was comprised of 68 troop transports, 2 storeships, 2 ships with camp equipage, 2 Ordnace transnports, 9 Navy victuallers, 2 private ships and a half dozen or so warships. The second section comprised 14 troop transnports, 11 victuallers, 2 baggage & wagons, and 1 ordnance storeship. I would speculate that the second named, smaller MOLLY is the more likely of the two to have MOLLY captured as the capatin of that MOLLY was named Isaac Mitcheson (according to the *Pennsyslvania Packet* issue of 28 Sep 1779. One vessel named ARCHER was part of a small convoy which went to Maderia and loaded wine, then went to Jamaica where they offloaded wine and loaded invalids from the 50th Regt to return them to England. She then came to America in the spring of 1777 with a load of recruits. William Coats or Cotes (both given) commanded. Bob Brooks

    04/09/2005 05:08:16