Ellen, I of course don't know your experience in genealogy, but family stories normally have some bases of truth, although that truth can be stretched all out of kilter. What you need to do if you are not an experienced researcher is restart your search with your self. Get all the documents, birth certificates, marriage licenses, wills, probate records, ect. You say.. Why? because it helps prove or correct minor things that may be the cause of the family story. I have friends in England I'll see if I can get any information on the "Georges" story. Most of the old timers here have been studying the Hessians for years... some almost as much as our founder John Merz. 20 - 30 years. If it is true I find it very funny that John had never mentioned any comments about it. What I can't understand is the comment you made about your thiought to be Hessian taking the surname George. The Germanic peoples had been using surnames for probably at least a few hundred years by then. In tracing my line the Bonnstein surname is recorded in church parishes back as far as 1640.. So there would have been no need to change his last name to George, but George spelled that way maybe the anglicized version. Although, g.welbaum in his comment stated he found the surname George, in three of the six volumes of the HETRINA, which indicates that George was already a Germanic surname. HETRINA - Is six volumes of gathered information transcribed in to these volumes. It is published by the Hessian State Archive at Marburg of about 15,000 soldiers in German regiments sent to fight in the American Revolution from 1776-1784 It is written in both German and English. Please note that the HETRINA lists each name as many times as that soldier was recorded in military records which in some units was quite frequent (e.g., annually) Auerbach, Franz, Frohlich. Listed are the person's number, surname, given name, birth year, place of origin, town & state, rank, unit, type of record. Volume I: Covers the four Hessen-Kessel grenadier battalions formed from various grenadier companies in Zierenberg near the end of January 1776. They embarked in April 1776 in Bremerlehe. Some arrived in America on July 25, 1776 but the majority were in America by Mid-August of that year. These battalions formed a brigade under the command of Colonel von Donop and another battalion was organized in Wolhagen in mid-February 1776 and embarked in Ritzenbuttel in June, arrived in New York at the end of October 1776. Volume II: For those interested, the six regiments covered in HETRINA II are: Prinz Carl v. Ditfurth v. Donop [1784 became v. Knyphausen] v. Loßberg [1780 became Alt v. Loßberg; sometimes called "Lossberg Senior"] v. Mirbach [1780 became Jung v. Loßberg, sometimes called "Lossberg Junior"] v. Trümbach [1778 became v. Bose] The above were all infantry regiments comprising five companies of approximately 125 men each. HETRINA II contains 12,311 entries covering these six regiments. I opine that these regiments have complete range of records, begining muster, ending muster and all monthly reports. Volume III Covers the following regiments: Princes Own Infantry; Landgraf; Prince-Successor; von Knyphausen; Rall; and von Wissenbach Garrison. Volume IV: Volume 4 covers the following: von Buenau Garrison Regiment; von Stein Garrison Regiment; Courier Corps; and Artillery Corps. Volume V: Volume 5 covers: Third Englis-Waldeck Mercenary Regiment. Volume VI: Covers the following: Hesse-Hanau Regiment of the Crown Prince; Artillery Corps; Hesse-Hanau Fusilier Corps (Chasseurs); and Hesse-Hanau Free Corps.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is all at our AMREV-HESSIAN MAILING LIST'S WEBSITE: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ and here for info on HETRINA: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/r-c/hetrina.htm Check out the website it can help... N. Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:16:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as"Georges?" > > HETRINA , volumes 1, 2 and 6 have dozens of entries for the surname George, > I did not check the other volumes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan King > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to > as"Georges?" > > Ellen, > > > > The only man with the surname "George" listed in John Merz's "Guide" is: > > > > Georg, Johannes, 2. Co., 1750/51 Holzhausen, D2-5/1783 > > > > This entry is listed in the "Deserters as registered by the Hessische > Archives Marburg in HETRINA IV of the Hesse-Kassel Field-Jaeger Corps" > section of his Guide. The notation "D2" means he deserted from his unit in > 1783. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Susan > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. 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Hi Nelda, Thank you for all you help. I may have been a little unclear about the surname. I meant he supposedly changed it to "George" not that he did not have one if you thought I meant he did not have a surname originally. Ellen Ellen McDonald Secretary Associate University of Michigan Program in the Environment Phone (734)763-5065 Fax (734)647-7892 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nelda Percival Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as"Georges?" Ellen, I of course don't know your experience in genealogy, but family stories normally have some bases of truth, although that truth can be stretched all out of kilter. What you need to do if you are not an experienced researcher is restart your search with your self. Get all the documents, birth certificates, marriage licenses, wills, probate records, ect. You say.. Why? because it helps prove or correct minor things that may be the cause of the family story. I have friends in England I'll see if I can get any information on the "Georges" story. Most of the old timers here have been studying the Hessians for years... some almost as much as our founder John Merz. 20 - 30 years. If it is true I find it very funny that John had never mentioned any comments about it. What I can't understand is the comment you made about your thiought to be Hessian taking the surname George. The Germanic peoples had been using surnames for probably at least a few hundred years by then. In tracing my line the Bonnstein surname is recorded in church parishes back as far as 1640.. So there would have been no need to change his last name to George, but George spelled that way maybe the anglicized version. Although, g.welbaum in his comment stated he found the surname George, in three of the six volumes of the HETRINA, which indicates that George was already a Germanic surname. HETRINA - Is six volumes of gathered information transcribed in to these volumes. It is published by the Hessian State Archive at Marburg of about 15,000 soldiers in German regiments sent to fight in the American Revolution from 1776-1784 It is written in both German and English. Please note that the HETRINA lists each name as many times as that soldier was recorded in military records which in some units was quite frequent (e.g., annually) Auerbach, Franz, Frohlich. Listed are the person's number, surname, given name, birth year, place of origin, town & state, rank, unit, type of record. Volume I: Covers the four Hessen-Kessel grenadier battalions formed from various grenadier companies in Zierenberg near the end of January 1776. They embarked in April 1776 in Bremerlehe. Some arrived in America on July 25, 1776 but the majority were in America by Mid-August of that year. These battalions formed a brigade under the command of Colonel von Donop and another battalion was organized in Wolhagen in mid-February 1776 and embarked in Ritzenbuttel in June, arrived in New York at the end of October 1776. Volume II: For those interested, the six regiments covered in HETRINA II are: Prinz Carl v. Ditfurth v. Donop [1784 became v. Knyphausen] v. Loßberg [1780 became Alt v. Loßberg; sometimes called "Lossberg Senior"] v. Mirbach [1780 became Jung v. Loßberg, sometimes called "Lossberg Junior"] v. Trümbach [1778 became v. Bose] The above were all infantry regiments comprising five companies of approximately 125 men each. HETRINA II contains 12,311 entries covering these six regiments. I opine that these regiments have complete range of records, begining muster, ending muster and all monthly reports. Volume III Covers the following regiments: Princes Own Infantry; Landgraf; Prince-Successor; von Knyphausen; Rall; and von Wissenbach Garrison. Volume IV: Volume 4 covers the following: von Buenau Garrison Regiment; von Stein Garrison Regiment; Courier Corps; and Artillery Corps. Volume V: Volume 5 covers: Third Englis-Waldeck Mercenary Regiment. Volume VI: Covers the following: Hesse-Hanau Regiment of the Crown Prince; Artillery Corps; Hesse-Hanau Fusilier Corps (Chasseurs); and Hesse-Hanau Free Corps.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is all at our AMREV-HESSIAN MAILING LIST'S WEBSITE: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ and here for info on HETRINA: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/r-c/hetrina.htm Check out the website it can help... N. Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:16:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as"Georges?" > > HETRINA , volumes 1, 2 and 6 have dozens of entries for the surname George, > I did not check the other volumes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan King > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to > as"Georges?" > > Ellen, > > > > The only man with the surname "George" listed in John Merz's "Guide" is: > > > > Georg, Johannes, 2. Co., 1750/51 Holzhausen, D2-5/1783 > > > > This entry is listed in the "Deserters as registered by the Hessische > Archives Marburg in HETRINA IV of the Hesse-Kassel Field-Jaeger Corps" > section of his Guide. The notation "D2" means he deserted from his unit in > 1783. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Susan > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message