I am aware of at least one: Johann Ludewig Wolf, a Braunschweig soldier born in Steinbrunn, Alsace-Lorraine who is on the muster rolls maintained at Saratoga Battlefield National Park by the Park Service. I suspect that there are more from Alsace on those rolls. I am sure you have come across the on-line sources for genealogy in Alsace-Lorraine. I ran across them a couple of years ago when I tried to determine whether this Johann was my ancestor, but didn't have sufficient foreign language skills to navigate them successfully. Jack Wolfe On Jun 30, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Margaret Haas wrote: > > Yes, Bob. Thank you for your explanation of HETRINA. It is helpful. > My Corya/Coryea family with its many avid genealogists has this oral > lore passed down through many of its branches that our American fore- > fathers--probably more than one--were brothers who served as Hessians > from Alsace (on the now French-German border) during the AmRev. > Unfortunately, no one has further details. Like so many who spoke > German around the American Revolution, they seem to have first > appeared settled in Pennsylvania to those of us trying to tracking > them down in 2011. > What I really am after is any suggestions about what to do next other > than give up on this oral lore. I have checked every list on line that > I can find. I have learned from that there WERE Hessians from Alsace! > I doubt my ancestors were with the Deux Ponts or that's the way the > family would have remembered them--as French-speaking patriots vs > Hessians in the American Revolution. > Has anyone here had any luck hiring a professional genealogist to search > for their Hessian ancestors? Of course other suggestions welcome also. > Thanks so much, > Margaret > -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> Sent: Jun 30, 2011 12:41 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] HETRINA >> >> Bob: >> >> Thank you for sharing the interesting specifics of HETRINA history and >> structure. HETRINA is to most of us AMREV-HESSIANS members is like a car in >> which you just turn the key and it starts (or doesn't). Now, thanks to you, > we >> know more about the engine design! >> >> Everett Spees >> Descendant of Pvt. Friederich Spies Co 3, Fusileer Regiment Erbrinz >> >> >> In a message dated 6/30/2011 9:11:16 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Brooks >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:22 AM >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] HETRINA >> >> Carol -- >>> Dear Group, I don't understand how to access the HETRINA. Can anyone >>> help >>> me? >> >> I am afraid you have to do it the old fashioned way -- find a library >> which >> has a complete set. The formal title is: >> _Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitskrieg (HETRINA) Index >> nach Familiennamen_ with the editors listed as Inge Auerbach & Otto >> Fröhlich. >> >> Literal translation of the title is: "Hessian Troops in the American >> Independencewar (HETRINA) Index by Familynames" >> >> It comprises six volumes with vol 6 in two parts and remains under >> copyright >> protection. The first 5 volumes were published with paper covers in the >> 1970s and vol 6 in the 1980s. I believe the entire set was reprinted in >> the >> last decade and is still available for purchase at the arichives in >> Marburg, >> Germany, at roughly 30 Euros per volume. >> >> HETRINA is not the "holy grail" as it merely is a computer listing of >> abstracts from the original records, key punched onto the obsolete 80 >> column >> IBM keypunch cards (state-of-the-art technology in the 1960s when the >> program was started) then processed through a card sorter, then run again >> through a mainframe which printed out an IBM formated 125 column report. >> HETRINA is merely a photoreduced copy of that computer printout with a few >> pages of introduction, part in German, part in Englsih. >> >> The printout may not include all the information in the original record >> (and >> may include material NOT in the original record as the compliers >> manipulated >> some data in order to get the cards to sort as desired) but there is >> adequate (coded) citation to the original records, explained in the >> introduction. In order to keep the "event codes" rememberable, >> frequently >> two near-duplicate cards were prepared with only the event code changed. >> For example, an event where a soldier deserted [code 12] from POW status >> [code 11] would have duplicate cards/lines in HETRINA. >> >> Bob Brooks >> >> >> PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ADMINISTRATOR [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> >> PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> FOUNDER: John H. 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Good morning Jack; Happy July 4th. May you have a good day of celebrations with family and friends. I read with interest your email below in which you refer to a muster roll maintained at the Saratoga Battlefield National Park. I visited their website and they don't state clearly what they have as far as names of soldiers are concerned, nor how one can find out if they have the name of a particular soldier. I'm looking for one of my ancestors - a Braunschweig soldier who might have been there and re-patriated back to Canada. Could you tell me how I can access that muster roll for the Hessians who might have been captured at the battles there? Would I have to make a trip to access the muster roll? I didn't find it on the Internet either. Thank you for any assistance. Frank Watters (descendant of Johann Halbâr, aka Albert) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Wolfe" <[email protected]> To: "Margaret Haas" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] HETRINA I am aware of at least one: Johann Ludewig Wolf, a Braunschweig soldier born in Steinbrunn, Alsace-Lorraine who is on the muster rolls maintained at Saratoga Battlefield National Park by the Park Service. I suspect that there are more from Alsace on those rolls. I am sure you have come across the on-line sources for genealogy in Alsace-Lorraine. I ran across them a couple of years ago when I tried to determine whether this Johann was my ancestor, but didn't have sufficient foreign language skills to navigate them successfully. Jack Wolfe
Frank: When I was looking, a number of years ago before much information was available on the web, they did not volunteer the information freely, and in today's budget crunch times I doubt if they are any more free in volunteering to look for things. I got the information that I did by visiting the park, and I was lucky enough to be able to talk to and establish a rapport with the Park Service person, since retired, who was maintaining the list. I never did get to see the list myself. He was hoping to get funding to get the list computerized, which it was not at the time, so things could be easier today. And if you do go and talk to someone, remember that there were few, if any, "Hessians" at Saratoga. The German troops there were mostly from other parts of Germania. Jack Wolfe On Jul 4, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Francis T. Watters wrote: > Good morning Jack; > > Happy July 4th. May you have a good day of celebrations with family and > friends. > > I read with interest your email below in which you refer to a muster roll > maintained at the Saratoga Battlefield National Park. I visited their > website and they don't state clearly what they have as far as names of > soldiers are concerned, nor how one can find out if they have the name of a > particular soldier. > > I'm looking for one of my ancestors - a Braunschweig soldier who might have > been there and re-patriated back to Canada. > > Could you tell me how I can access that muster roll for the Hessians who > might have been captured at the battles there? Would I have to make a trip > to access the muster roll? I didn't find it on the Internet either. > > Thank you for any assistance. > > > Frank Watters > (descendant of Johann Halbâr, aka Albert) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Wolfe" <[email protected]> > To: "Margaret Haas" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] HETRINA > > > I am aware of at least one: Johann Ludewig Wolf, a Braunschweig soldier > born in Steinbrunn, Alsace-Lorraine who is on the muster rolls maintained at > Saratoga Battlefield National Park by the Park Service. I suspect that there > are more from Alsace on those rolls. I am sure you have come across the > on-line sources for genealogy in Alsace-Lorraine. I ran across them a couple > of years ago when I tried to determine whether this Johann was my ancestor, > but didn't have sufficient foreign language skills to navigate them > successfully. > Jack Wolfe > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message