Hi, Sure no problem in explaining where you find mailing lists and message boards. Using the home page URL for rootsweb.com of: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ (REMEMBER: ancestry bought rootsweb.com so now they have incorporated ancestry in the addresses for extra head count.. they get paid for advertisements by head count.) At the top of the page you will see a tool/links bar, in it are the links to the lists and boards. for Lists: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ next window it goes to... I personally prefer the link in this box: (by clicking here) Looking for the old Mailing Lists home page? You can still find it by selecting "Browse mailing lists" under the "Find a mailing list" search box or by clicking here. takes you to: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/index.html now locate what mailing list you want to join/search the archives of that list for the data your looking for and you may or may not need to join it. For Message boards: (link takes you to) http://boards.rootsweb.com/?o_iid=33216&o_lid=33216 This is a little different then the steps to the lists. Scroll down the page to the topic you want: Surnames Localities Categories Topics Categories then click on your subject: For Germany you would pick "more localities", then "central Europe": then "Germany". Then the specific area. NOTE IMPORTANT TO BOARDS: We Message board administrators must remove a message containing any copyrighted data , or mentioning sales, or money. Also we will move a message that is posted in the wrong area. Lets say your message is for a town not located in the listings .. do not put it in the ones listed just for coverage we will remove it. put it in general, that covers all of Germany. Rules governing the message boards is much stricter then the mailing lists. ~~~~~~~~~~ now don't forget not everyone uses those boards and lists connected to rootsweb. Try genforum.genealogy, try searching Yahoo groups. "Post everywhere." NOTE IMPORTANT: when first starting out it is easy to post to places and forget you posted there so make notes of where you post. It is much better if you create a free email account, gmail, yahoo, hotmail... anything - those postings and those archives will be there long after your gone to dust... or I should say after you changed your ISP, so now you lost the contacts.. I still get contacts from postings back in 1998 when I first started using my hotmail address. hope that helps Nelda Nelda http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/
Hi Nelda, I've lost the email you sent talking about the German mailing lists and message boards. I tried searching rootsweb and ended up outside somewhere. could you please explain how to find. Now that I have figured out how to spell my ancestor's name I'd like to research german roots. Thanks, Suzanne ________________________________ From: Nelda Percival <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 3:17:50 PM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Ansbach Marie, Sounds like you have everything well planed.. I 'm thinking you think I posted your message to those mailing lists and message boards I mentioned.. I was making the suggestion that you post to them.. Sorry for the mis-understanding, If there was one. I spent three years in Germany and went all over Europe.. this side of the Iron curtain though. I'm sure you will enjoy every minute of your trip. I envey you! You might try making a documentary of the trip.. Robert Fetters had a company that did those pens and the plaque John Merz presented his home town... try him for advise on something to present... don't know the turn arround time... [email protected] Yes I would greatly appricate any connection you can give me to Fetzers. My Fetzer's brother was in PA from there I have no idea. Nelda Nelda http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello ALL interested in helping me in my attempt to confirm which Hessian is mine, I cannot post any of my materials before giving credits to great persons who shared their expertise over the past few years as I am yet gleaning your notes. Bob Brooks, Michael Kasler, Michael Lear, Jack Wolf, Henry Retzer, Don Londahl-Smidt and Marie Fetzer to name some of you. I continue to need help to prove out the following or find a concensus of two others who might agree to which Swarts is mine. 1 Which of the following could be my William Swarts knowing the data I have on his children being born in NY 1778-11780 and York Co, PA 1784-6. AND the lists I have been given and found via Smith and Hetrina. I understand their names may have been altered as omitted some lists and Johann precedes almost all German names before 1800 or they settled here a generation so I assume some Johann can be Wilhelm. 2 I am aware of the reel numbers listed with some and the Clements lIbrary at the University of Michigan supposedly has them. 3 Name of his Col and troops. Was he absorbed into Colonial armies and 4 Was he traded about troops and fighting in the South= GA and Yorktown? 5 My hypothesis at this point is Burgoyne /Riedesel and then over to Armand in NY PA and then Pulaski and South to Yorktown and after that back to Camp Indulgence York PA til 1783. Never a deserter but had family almost the entire war if not having brought her with him. Forces During the American Revolution by Clifford Neal Smith Westland Publications McNeal, Arizona 1976 p. 24 Hesse-Hanau Troops. Jaeger Corps. Lt. Col. von Creutzburg Company List of the Company of Lieutenant Colonel von Creutzburg of the Corps of Chasseurs (Jaegers) of His Serene Highness the Hereditary Prince of Hesse, Regining Count of Hanau, which passed in review before Colonel Rainsford...at Nymegen (Holland) on 11 April 1777 37. Schwarz, Wilhelm J(Jaeger) (Original copy in British Musuem collection could not be found when sought in 1973. Copy in Newberry Library, Chicago) p. 65 Lancaster, Penna 6 Jan 1977 Fusilier Regiment von Knyphausen. Major von Dechow's Company List of His Excellency General von Knyphausen's Hession Fusilier Regiment, Major von Dechow's Compnay, who find themselves at present prisoners (of war) 15. Schwarz? Private (Library of Congress Manuscript Division, Washington D.C.) ============ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ans/ansba ch-bayreuth.htm Ansbach - Bayreuth Troops during and after the Revolutionary 581 Schwartz Johann Gemeiner A II Juni 1783 582 Schwarz Johann Gemeiner B I Creutzburg / Clifford Smith Monograph part 1 page 60 Schwartz, Johan 12-45 Schwartz, Wilhelm 13-37 another page24 says Wilhelm Schwartz mustered in Apr 1777 with Creutzburg and listed as Wilhelm Schwartz Number 37 J -on the certification list. Schwartz, a private (Gemeiner (GE)) in the Hesse-Cassel von Stein Garrison regiment (SEI) Company 3 born ca. 1752-53, from Blankenbach, recruited 1775. Microfilm reference A964/6,190 ---------------------------------------------------------- Another list page lists three of same name and not sure if he is same as any others I am sharing. Schwarz, Wilhelm 20 Bruchkoebel D6451+ JG HJA1 02 77JA 951/1,18, and same but different last number which is 951/3,9 and a third time he is listed in a row with identical letters except for the last digits is SR562, 6 == There is a Johannes Schwartz 23 Gemunden D 5439 GE HFK3 02 81JA 954/2.46 and only share him as someone here may know if he is the Johann above 581 and help eliminate him. ================ Passenger and Immigration Lists Name: Johann Wilhelm Schwartz Year: 1777 Place: Newfoundland, Canada SourcePublicationCode: 3067.35 PrimaryImmigrant: Schwartz, Johann Wilhelm Annotation: Hessian Troops in the American War for Independence: An Index According to Surname and Hanau Regiment. Date and place of entry in unit books. Year of birth, place of origin, rank, unit, category of presentation, and archive code of the source are also pro Source Bibliography: HESSISCHE TRUPPEN IM AMERIKANISCHEN UNABHAENGIGKEITSKRIEG (HETRINA): Index nach Familiennamen/Hanauische Regimenter. (Marburg: Archivschule) (Veroeffentlichungen der Archivschule Marburg, Institut fuer Archivwissenschaft, Nr. 10) Band VI, Heft 1: A-L. Marburg, 1987. Band VI, Heft 2: M-Z. Marburg, 1987. Source Citation: Place: Newfoundland Canada 1777 Page 448 ============== HETRINA lists four other Schwarz Henry (Helmstadt) vRH Captain Slagentaufel 07,23; Frederick (Bresleu) BAR Liebcompany Canada; Ludwig (Hanau) BAR Jagercomapny; and Johann (Wolfenbuttel) RIE Liebcompany. Johann and Ludwig both at Winter Hill. Here is something more of the Johann of Wolfenbuttel 2416 Schwarze Johan Wolfenbuttel 38304 1752 RIE Liebcompany (C) 11 12 Winter Hill 12.05.1783 ----------------------- Setting the stage: Viewing the facts of where the children were born and the materials that support families together as units with their captive fathers, one knows William Swarts had his family with him throughout most if not all of the war. One yet can't conclude he didn't bring wife Maria with him. The one son listed as a third son in the 1790 census under 16 could be born before or en route or anytime between 1774 -1790. There is more to consider from the notes on family and the information from the book Escape in America. The last paragraph I quote states the possibility of those who fought in Yorktown were also in York City , PA, and vicinity by 1782-3 so one must consider the Convention Prisoners and the rest of the Armies composed of Hessians as potentially mustering out in York. (Yes I am aware of the other mustering sites). I focused on York after one of his daughters lines said she was known from York Co. PA. Thus I assume her Family was more from York than she was as she was born the year her father moved to Danville. I am also assuming William was at Camp Indulgence being he had some children by 1781. Mustering out proof; Escape in America, The British Convention Prisoners 1777-1783 by Richard Sampson Page 173 "The British soldier in America had never found any difficulty in attracting American girls, perhaps due to the number of their own men folk being away serving in their armies. Those who associated with the prisoners were described by Americans as suffering from "scarlet fever." Such liaisons inevitably led to marriage and children, and this in turn led to a greater desire on the part of the men to find work to enable them to feed their families. To facilitate this, the soldiers were divided into two groups. The Single men who were more likely to escape, were placed in "Camp Security," which was a regular prison complete with stockade; the "men of good character" and the married men, with wives and children, were camped outside the stockade, in an area called "Camp Indulgence." IN April of 1872, 470 soldiers were living in the camp, which probably consisted of huts without foundations. " Source/ Madison 6, P123 (note): Bowie P 197: JSAHR P 166: Stayer P 24: PCC, RG 360 item 59 vol 2, P 355. (oage 214 of Escape in America) Page 174 Mr Fox who had escaped reports "When some clothing came in from New York, he decided to go back to camp and he refused an offer of $3 per month to cook, cut wood, and look after a horse and cow. Those prisoners remaining in the camp with their wives and children, followed a variety of trades, including making lace, buckles, spoons and other "mechanical trades" which they had learnt during their captivity. Lamb, who had been captured for the second time at Yorktown, visited them during one of his attempts at freedom, and was very critical towards men of his former regiment. "I perceived that they had lost that animation which ought to possess the breast of the soldier, I strove, by every argument, to rouse them from their lethargy. I offered to head any number of them, and make a noble effort to escape to New York, and join our comrades in arms, but all my efforts proved ineffectual." The end of the next paragraph states: "It should be remembered that a number of the remaining prisoners had married American women and now, in addition to themselves they had the welfare of their wives and children to consider." Still on page 174: "With the surrender of Cornwallis, the towns of Winchester in Virginia, Frederick Town in Maryland, and Lancaster, York and Reading in Pennsylvania, became the home for thousands of new prisoners of war. While the Convention Prisoners who did not escape continued as an identifiable community in their two camps some four miles east of York; those that did escape and were recaptured found themselves in prisons and camps, inextricably mixed up with prisoners other than from the Convention Army. Those captured at Yorktown were also causing headaches for the Americans, Lincoln, now secretary for War, reported to Washington that he estimated there were "perhaps" 900 prisoners from Yorktown who had escaped on their march northwards and were "strolling through Virginia" Family members I use to indicate where William's family was through the revolutionary war. census showing birth state for daughter Elizabeth Swarts m. Gabriel Morrison. Elizabeth Morrison Age: 72 Estimated birth year: abt 1778 Birth Place: New York home in 1850; Pine Creek, Clinton, PA Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Pine Creek, Clinton, Pennsylvania; Roll: M432_768; Page: 105; Image: 516. Convention Prisoners were in York for two yrs 1780-82. It appears the Swarts family remained their until Mid 1786 when tax records for Northumberland Co are recorded. 1840 US census states Mifflin Twp, Lycoming Co, a Jacob between 60 - 70 yrs of age and no family. Born prior to 1780 1850 United States Federal Census Name: Jacob Swartz Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1784 Birth Place: New York Home in 1850 : Porter, Lycoming, PA Jacob age 66 I assume this is rounded numbers and birth could have been as early as 1781-2 Samuel Swarts son of William Swarts /Mifflin Twp, 1830 census listed age 40-50 and next to brother Jacob in census. Born 1780- 1784 Samuel has a son Samuel b 1813 who relates to the family via data. 1850 United States Federal Census Name: Jane Willits Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1785 Birth Place: Pennsylvania Home in 1850 Mifflin, Lycoming, PA Family Number: 63 William N Willits 64 Jane Willits 65 Jane likely was born in York Co, PA, since the Quickel family states Hester her sister born a year later was from York Co, PA, The 1790 census states three sons and tree daughters as to ages and two adults. Part of my proving where William was in Rev is reviewing the location of his DIL's family Rosenkrans as her father was a Col and was in the Sullivan Expedition that came as far south as Danville in PA . This is where William Swarts also first settled as 1786 tax records show Mahoning Twp, Northumberland Co now Montour Co PA. It seems there are several Colonial officers who have settled in an about Lock Haven/ Jersey Shore area soon after the Rev. In the one book of the Rosenkrans a family member when building his tree found nothing of Catherine Rosenkrans and her brothers as her father's generation moved from W NJ to NY and MI. I found them living near the Swarts in Mifflin twp, Lycoming Co by 1850's. and Catherine married John Swartz, Williams' son. I have her photo and her son John. I find it interesting why some of these siblings were in Jersey Shore and remained there. Was it that their fathers fought together? The oldest son Samuel's wife alludes us and could she have been a Rosenkrans as well. It was very common for brothers to marry sisters etc. I can't get from my thinking how these siblings did move to Jersey Shore as either their father passed through briefly on his way to MI or they came down from NY as their family moved across NY state to MI. they were just across the NY boarder at some point and some did remain there too. I have much material on the Rosenkrans and will share it if someone feels that would help them prove out William as being with Sullivan. Not sure if that Proves out William as which he was and where he first landed but to me seems to point that he was with Sullivan. Here is where It has taken me years to try and get a handle on the different way war captives were handled compared to those since then. One could start out with Riedesel and then be exchanged or escape /flee or take oneself to the other side= Colonial army= and be reassigned. This is also where a name may change somewhat. Riedesel and his wife traveled along with his Captives while the British Army paid them their stipends Wall in his account of the Conventioners on page 17 says in 1778 Burgoyne was exchanged and sent home to England and Phillips was put in charge. Riedesel was yet in charge of his German troops and traveled the captivity time with them. At this time some of the officers were exchanged and I wonder if this isn't one possible time my William Swarts could have moved over to the Colonial army. The Conventioners are moved rather quickly after their year in MA and seems my Swarts would have had to desert to remain in NY along the Hudson or N NJ. By 1779. He has children born there after that so I am feeling he perhaps wasn't with these Conventioners but with the troops who came into NY, Long Island and across NJ. Thus I would like to put Swarts now with Armand and the 1st Partisan Corps which was made up of Germans. Again I refer to Wikipedia for speed and conciseness. " Armand's Legion was formed on June 25, 1778 at Boston, Massachusetts <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston,_Massachusetts> under the command of Colonel Charles Armand <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Armand_Tuffin,_marquis_de_la_Rouerie> Tuffin for service with the Continental Army <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Army> . The Legion was recruited primarily from foreign volunteers to the American Revolution <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution> . It was reorganized and renamed the 1st Partisan Corps on January 1, 1781. The Legion would see action at the Battle of Camden <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Camden> , Battle of Guilford Court House <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guilford_Court_House> and the Battle of Yorktown <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yorktown_(1781)> . The Legion was disbanded at York, Pennsylvania <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/York,_Pennsylvania> on December 25, 1783." -MY SULLIVAN Thoughts and quotes Using Wikipedia as it is the quickest to quote at this point. Note that Easton is only a few miles south of the Col Rosenkrans land which goes from Delaware Water Gap up river for several miles. He owned land on both sides of the Delaware. Again I am thinking Proximity and perhaps Maria didn't follow the troups at this point as she was pregnant and or had an infant and could possibly remained with the several Rosenkrans and their relatives who owned land also at Dingman's Ferry, This mentions Armands troops being joined here with Sullivan's. Were not Sullivan's from the group at Saratoga as he absorbed troops from Riedesel before the march south. Thus he remained in NY where his kids are said to be born pre 1781. "Washington instructed Gen. Sullivan and three brigades to march from Easton, Pennsylvania <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easton,_Pennsylvania> to the Susquehanna River <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susquehanna_River> in central Pennsylvania <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania> and to follow the river upstream to Tioga, now known as Athens, Pennsylvania <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens,_Pennsylvania> . He ordered Gen. Clinton to assemble a fourth brigade at Schenectady, New York <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenectady,_New_York> , move westward up the Mohawk Valley <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohawk_River> to Canajoharie <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canajoharie,_New_York> , and cross overland to Otsego Lake <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otsego_Lake> as a staging point. When Sullivan so ordered, Clinton's New York Brigade was to march down the Susquehanna to meet Sullivan at Tioga, destroying all Indian villages on his route. Sullivan's army was to have totaled 5,000 men, but his Pennsylvania brigade entered the campaign more than 750 men short, and promised enlistments never materialized. In addition, the third regiment of the brigade, the German Battalion, had shrunk by casualties, sickness, and desertion (the three-year term of enlistment of its soldiers had expired on June 27) to only 100 men, and was parceled out in 25-man companies as flank protection for the expedition. Armand's Legion <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand%27s_Legion> was recalled by Washington to the Main Army before the campaign began. Because of these and other shortages, Sullivan's army, including two companies of local militia totalling only 70 men, never exceeded 4,000 troops. The main army left Easton on June 18, marching 58 miles to an encampment on the Bullock farm in the Wyoming Valley, which he reached on June 23. There he awaited provisions and supplies that had not been sent forward, remaining in the Wyoming Valley until July 31. His force marched slowly, paced by both the mountainous terrain and the flatboats carrying the army's supplies up the Susequehanna, and arrived at Tioga on August 11. They began construction of a temporary fort at the confluence of the Chemung <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemung_River> and Susquehanna Rivers <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susquehanna_River> they called Fort Sullivan. Thanks to all who have taken time to read this and give some advice and hopefully conclusions for me. Connie
Thanks Doris, Thanks for your info. I am the first and only one to do our Swarts line and he being a Hessian have NO info on where he was from. IT is one reason I am trying to determine which of the three who mustered in with the British is my William Swarts, Wilhelm Schwartz or Swarze. Connie
Here is Bruce Burgoyne's obituary (photo included) for our files. Jane Curci February 11, 2011 Bruce E. Burgoyne Photos Submitted photo Bruce E. Burgoyne Dover, Del. — Memorial services for Bruce E. Burgoyne, 86, of Dover, will be at 11 a.m. Thursday, march 3, at Delaware Veterans Memorial Cemetery, 2465 Chesapeake City Road, Bear. Mr. Burgoyne died Wednesday, Feb. 23, 2011, in Westminster Health Center. Born Oct. 24, 1925, in Benton Harbor, Mich., he was the son of the late Howard Burgoyne and Ruth Helmick Burgoyne. Mr. Burgoyne retired after 20 years of combined service in the Navy, Army and Air Force as an intelligence officer. He continued as a civilian employee for six more years. He was an esteemed translator of more than 40 documents relating to the American Revolutionary War, including “A Hessian Diary of the American Revolutionary War” and “Enemy Views.” He was award the Gold Good Citizenship Medal by the Delaware chapter of the S.A.R. in 2006. Mr. Burgoyne is survived by his wife of 41 years, Dr. Marie Marple Burgoyne of Dover; three sons, Walter B. Burgoyne of New Orleans, La., B. Aaron Burgoyne of Charlottesville, Va., and Jurgen A. Burgoyne of Dover; a granddaughter, Brooke L. Burgoyne of Dover; a nephew, Michael H. Burgoyne of Maryland; and a niece, Tina Brennan of Maryland. Friends and family are welcome after the service at the home of K. Pappas. Information can be obtained via email at [email protected] Letters of condolence may be sent and guestbook signed via www.torbertfuneral.com. Copyright 2011 Dover Post. Some rights reserved -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Pryse <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 3:56 pm Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Bruce Burgoyne Sorry to hear that he died. Very informative body of work on the revolution. _______________________________ rom: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> o: [email protected] ent: Fri, May 13, 2011 3:13:55 PM ubject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Ansbach ncidentally I am sorry to tell you that when I Emailed Bruce Burgoyne with question about the Erbprinz Regiment in March I received a reply from is son saying that Bruce had died on February 11, 2011. Bruce will be reatly missed for his excellent work in translating the "Hessian" diaries and ther documents from the Revolutionary War. His son told me how much Bruce njoyed his REVWAR research. Bruce was fortunate to have the help of his wife arie, a native German speaker. Everett Spees escendant of Friederich Spies, Co. 3, Hesse-Cassel Erbprinz Regiment, 776-1783 LEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~ OUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~ ttp://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~ DMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message
Connie: Sometimes you find them with picture via their websites..de for Germany and write in the www.town then.de or via closer larger towns one clicks into region --there within you find the smaller towns or villages. Geschichte ,for history of town..worth a million .. Do you have the town of Lampertheim in your family? Also via worldconnect if you find a German relative who done your family tree via that town,he can send it to you. This is how I got one for some friends and relatives. Good luck ,Doris.
Marie, In researching for a relatives Polish ancestry I got wonderful replies from the moderator of the Polish ROOTSWEB. He knew the towns and so much about the area that he told us exactly where the ancestors of that line lived today. So perhaps contacting the moderator of the German Rootsweb site on rootsweb would be as helpful. Your trip sounds wonderful Would love to go along and visit the Lutheran churches to see if there are any of mine there. Sending my blessings for your trip. Connie
Pete, One joins the organization Jan to Jan I believe regardless of when in the year one pays. That gives you then a free journal. That is the only way I have received mine. Including the web page info so you don't have to look it up. Just copy and print and send in snail mail. Connie JOHANNES SCHWALM HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION, INC. Membership Form Please print and fill out this form Name __________________________________________________________ Address ________________________________________________________ City ________________ State ___________ Zip ________ Country ________ Order Membership Year Price ________ 2011 Membership to JSHA (Includes free 2011 Journal) $25.00 Note: Orders outside of the US must be in US funds Please print and fill out this form and mail with check payable to: JSHA, Inc. P.O. Box 127 Scotland, PA 17254-0127 Ordering JSHA Publications Mailing Address: JSHA P.O. Box 127 Scotland, PA 17254-0127 -----Original Message---- Does anyone know when the Schwalm Journal for 2011 will be available ? Does one have to wait for it to be listed on their publications page before making payment ? ThanksPete
Marie, Sounds like you have everything well planed.. I 'm thinking you think I posted your message to those mailing lists and message boards I mentioned.. I was making the suggestion that you post to them.. Sorry for the mis-understanding, If there was one. I spent three years in Germany and went all over Europe.. this side of the Iron curtain though. I'm sure you will enjoy every minute of your trip. I envey you! You might try making a documentary of the trip.. Robert Fetters had a company that did those pens and the plaque John Merz presented his home town... try him for advise on something to present... don't know the turn arround time... [email protected] Yes I would greatly appricate any connection you can give me to Fetzers. My Fetzer's brother was in PA from there I have no idea. Nelda Nelda http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/
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Marie: Your upcoming trip sounds wonderful. My biggest regret when I visited my forbear Hessian soldiers' village of Schwebda (as well as nearby Eschwege) while briefly stationed in Germany in 2007 was that I did not know how to locate a local historian. Since then I have made a contact with a very knowledgeable person, but it is a bit difficult as I have to translate all our correspondence into German or into English. He has supplied me with his writings about the history of the village going back to prehistoric times (in German)! Certainly having the historian accompany you will be a huge plus, and you will likely have questions answered that you had not thought of yet. For you and Nelda I just came across in reading, a reference to a surgeon named Fetzer who served with Captain Pausch in the Hesse-Hanau Artillery Company. There is a bit of discussion about his professional competence in the text. The reference is on page 127 of Georg Pausch's Journal and Reports of the Campaign in America, translated by Bruce Burgoyne, Heritage Books, 1996. Incidentally I am sorry to tell you that when I Emailed Bruce Burgoyne with a question about the Erbprinz Regiment in March I received a reply from his son saying that Bruce had died on February 11, 2011. Bruce will be greatly missed for his excellent work in translating the "Hessian" diaries and other documents from the Revolutionary War. His son told me how much Bruce enjoyed his REVWAR research. Bruce was fortunate to have the help of his wife Marie, a native German speaker. Everett Spees Descendant of Friederich Spies, Co. 3, Hesse-Cassel Erbprinz Regiment, 1776-1783 In a message dated 5/13/2011 4:39:55 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions about Ansbach. I took Nelda’s advice and sent an email off to the secretary at the Department of Culture and Tourism listed on the ansbach.de website, requesting information about the town historian, so I hope they will answer me. And thanks for posting my message to the other lists. To Suzanne, yes we will be visiting Munich and hope to stay in a nice hotel in the Old Town. As far as I can research it on the Internet, I’ve settled on the Platzl Hotel which claims to be within short walking distance to all the attractions. To Dan B. Cooley, thank you for your information and encouragement about Ansbach. Regarding the Ansbachers being included with the Hessians during the Revolutionary War, you can read Nelda’s posting in this thread from the archives, which lists several other principalities that hired out their soldiers to the British to fight in America, including: Hesse-Kassel; Hesse-Hanau; Brunswick; Waldeck; Ansbach-Bayreuth; and Anhalt-Zerbst, however, as I ’m sure you know, they all came to be known generically as “Hessians” over time. Also, thanks for the tip about contacting the U.S. Army for military info, I think I’ll try that, too. I also received a personal email from Doris with names of Fetzers to contact in Ansbach. Thanks for your help and research on that, however Fetzer is my married name, and my Hessian ancestor is from my own personal line of descent from the Rasnick family. My Hessian ancestor was Private Johann Jacob Rierschneck (Rührschneck), whose name was anglicized to Jacob Rasnick. We already have relationships in place with our Rührschneck cousins in Germany, so fortunately I don’t need help in locating them. What I had in mind was more along the lines of seeking advice on what activities to plan with them when we meet. I’m thinking it would be nice to present them with some kind of document or plaque that would acknowledge our common heritage, and possibly some similar presentation to the town where my soldier was born, etc., things along that line. My family does have a group planning on going to Germany in the Fall of 2012. We have done extensive (and I might add, expensive!) research over the last ten years. I will just add that in the search for our Hessian, our researcher was also able to track his family back four more generations, to 1612 in Austria. This revealed a whole other aspect of our family’s heritage enbedded in the Reformation, including the Protestant Exiles (Exulanten) who were expelled from Austria for their religious beliefs in the mid 1600’ s. One of the great things about our upcoming trip, in my opinion, is that we’ve asked our researcher in Germany who found our soldier there, to accompany us on our journey to enhance our experience. She will lead us through our early Austrian history and follow his trail as he migrated into Germany, and then follow the trail of his subsequent descendants as they migrated to various villages, ultimately to where my Hessian was born. And then on to Ansbach, where he left his family and marched off to America. I originally planned to end our tour in Nijmegen, Netherlands, where we could stand in the same courtyard of the castle where he was sworn into military service of the King of England, but after some research, discovered it is no longer there, so removed that portion of the trip. Now Nelda, I know you’ve asked me several times before about my Fetzer research. The sad truth is that I have not done any personally, but I do have information passed down from my husand’s aunt that I promise I will dig out and get to you before too long! If they are related to your Fetzers, it would have been back in Germany, because his line immigrated in the 1800’s then moved on to California and were never in Virginia as far as I know, so they wouldn’t be a direct line. It is interesting, though, that your Fetzers are from Shenandoah Co., Va., Massanutten, Woodstock, etc. My Hessian soldier, and his wife, and also several peripheral families, are all very heavily invested in Shenandoah County, and I hope to be able to travel there relatively soon to search for their old homesteads and do research, so it all comes full circle again. Marie Rasnick Fetzer http://www.rasnickfamily.org PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Sorry to hear that he died. Very informative body of work on the revolution. ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 3:13:55 PM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Ansbach Incidentally I am sorry to tell you that when I Emailed Bruce Burgoyne with a question about the Erbprinz Regiment in March I received a reply from his son saying that Bruce had died on February 11, 2011. Bruce will be greatly missed for his excellent work in translating the "Hessian" diaries and other documents from the Revolutionary War. His son told me how much Bruce enjoyed his REVWAR research. Bruce was fortunate to have the help of his wife Marie, a native German speaker. Everett Spees Descendant of Friederich Spies, Co. 3, Hesse-Cassel Erbprinz Regiment, 1776-1783
I am looking forward to the rumored focus on the transport Favourite, captured by MA Navy in 1777 and the search for it's passengers. Another ship Favourite was destined for Quebec at about the same time that Spring according to the 2010 journal. Thanks Pete > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 01:16:44 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Schwalm Journal > > The Schwalm Journal comes out about the middle of July and is distributed at the annual meeting. If you join/pay now it will be mailed out right after the meeting if you are not there to pick it up. > Ed > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions about Ansbach. I took Nelda’s advice and sent an email off to the secretary at the Department of Culture and Tourism listed on the ansbach.de website, requesting information about the town historian, so I hope they will answer me. And thanks for posting my message to the other lists. To Suzanne, yes we will be visiting Munich and hope to stay in a nice hotel in the Old Town. As far as I can research it on the Internet, I’ve settled on the Platzl Hotel which claims to be within short walking distance to all the attractions. To Dan B. Cooley, thank you for your information and encouragement about Ansbach. Regarding the Ansbachers being included with the Hessians during the Revolutionary War, you can read Nelda’s posting in this thread from the archives, which lists several other principalities that hired out their soldiers to the British to fight in America, including: Hesse-Kassel; Hesse-Hanau; Brunswick; Waldeck; Ansbach-Bayreuth; and Anhalt-Zerbst, however, as I’m sure you know, they all came to be known generically as “Hessians” over time. Also, thanks for the tip about contacting the U.S. Army for military info, I think I’ll try that, too. I also received a personal email from Doris with names of Fetzers to contact in Ansbach. Thanks for your help and research on that, however Fetzer is my married name, and my Hessian ancestor is from my own personal line of descent from the Rasnick family. My Hessian ancestor was Private Johann Jacob Rierschneck (Rührschneck), whose name was anglicized to Jacob Rasnick. We already have relationships in place with our Rührschneck cousins in Germany, so fortunately I don’t need help in locating them. What I had in mind was more along the lines of seeking advice on what activities to plan with them when we meet. I’m thinking it would be nice to present them with some kind of document or plaque that would acknowledge our common heritage, and possibly some similar presentation to the town where my soldier was born, etc., things along that line. My family does have a group planning on going to Germany in the Fall of 2012. We have done extensive (and I might add, expensive!) research over the last ten years. I will just add that in the search for our Hessian, our researcher was also able to track his family back four more generations, to 1612 in Austria. This revealed a whole other aspect of our family’s heritage enbedded in the Reformation, including the Protestant Exiles (Exulanten) who were expelled from Austria for their religious beliefs in the mid 1600’s. One of the great things about our upcoming trip, in my opinion, is that we’ve asked our researcher in Germany who found our soldier there, to accompany us on our journey to enhance our experience. She will lead us through our early Austrian history and follow his trail as he migrated into Germany, and then follow the trail of his subsequent descendants as they migrated to various villages, ultimately to where my Hessian was born. And then on to Ansbach, where he left his family and marched off to America. I originally planned to end our tour in Nijmegen, Netherlands, where we could stand in the same courtyard of the castle where he was sworn into military service of the King of England, but after some research, discovered it is no longer there, so removed that portion of the trip. Now Nelda, I know you’ve asked me several times before about my Fetzer research. The sad truth is that I have not done any personally, but I do have information passed down from my husand’s aunt that I promise I will dig out and get to you before too long! If they are related to your Fetzers, it would have been back in Germany, because his line immigrated in the 1800’s then moved on to California and were never in Virginia as far as I know, so they wouldn’t be a direct line. It is interesting, though, that your Fetzers are from Shenandoah Co., Va., Massanutten, Woodstock, etc. My Hessian soldier, and his wife, and also several peripheral families, are all very heavily invested in Shenandoah County, and I hope to be able to travel there relatively soon to search for their old homesteads and do research, so it all comes full circle again. Marie Rasnick Fetzer http://www.rasnickfamily.org
The Schwalm Journal comes out about the middle of July and is distributed at the annual meeting. If you join/pay now it will be mailed out right after the meeting if you are not there to pick it up. Ed
Hi, >From "OUR" website: " In early 1776, King George III of England hired units from the various houses or states of Germany to assist with bringing the the colonist's rebellion to order. The hiring of foreign troops to supplement a country's army was a normal procedure during this time of history. Several of the German rulers, needing hard currency and being "between wars", were only too happy to oblige. They were Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (a principality in northern Hesse) King George III's brother in law, his son William, count of Hesse-Hanau and nephew to King George III; Charles I, Duke of Brunswick; Frederick, Prince of Waldeck; Charles Alexander, Margrave of Anspach-Bayreuth; and Frederick Augustus, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst. About 18,000 Hessian troops arrived in North America in 1776, with more coming in later, of this about 3/4 of them were from Hesse-Kassel. Thus the colonist's newspapers referred to all of them as Hessians and the name stuck. In addition to firepower, American rebels used propaganda against Hessians. They enticed Hessians to desert to join the German-American population. In April 1778, one letter promised 50 acres (0.2 km²) of land to every deserter. Benjamin Franklin wrote an article that claimed that a Hessian commanders wanted more of his soldiers dead so that they could be better compensated. After the war ended in 1783, 17,313 Hessians returned to their homelands. Of the 12,526 who did not, about 7,700 died - around 1,200 were killed in action and 6,354 died from illness or accidents. Approximately 5,000 Hessians settled in North America, both in the United States and Canada - some because their commanders refused to take them back to Germany because they were criminals or physically unfit. Most of them married and settled amongst the population of the newly formed United States. Many of them became farmers or craftsmen. The number of their direct descendants living in the U.S. and Canada today is still being debated. Paraphrased or copied for verbatim from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessians There have been many emails sent to the archives discussing the reason that the units from these different Germanic States were called Hessians instead of by their own area's name..... Please see the archives for more on the subject. Nelda http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/
Marie, Have you posted your message to other mailing lists, Like: The Surname, Area in Germany, the Germany country and area in VA and VA state mailing lists and message boards at both Rootsweb.com and genforum.genealogy.com you could also google and search Yahoo groups for these same lists. You might find Cousins that want to go and even with luck your German cousins in Germany, who want to meet you. Nelda Nelda http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:05:51 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Ansbach > > Just that Munich is the most beautiful city in the world (except maybe our own > Washington, DC). try to go there if you can. Also eat a lot of schnitzel. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Marie Rasnick Fetzer <[email protected]> > To: AMREV-Hessians Mailing List <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 12:17:01 PM > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Ansbach > > Hello List! > > I can’t believe it, but I’m planning a trip to Germany to visit the homeland of > my Hessian soldier ancestor! While there, I’ll be in Ansbach and of course want > to see the streets he would have marched down as his regiment left town for > America. I’ve seen an engraving of the event and am wondering if anyone knows > of the exact location where they marched amid the people crying and saying > goodbye, or where I could find this information. Also, I’d like to stay in a > hotel near that area and could use suggestions. And another question, I’d > appreciate it if anyone knows of a local guide or historian that they could > recommend. And if anyone has organized meetings with German cousins, I could > use ideas, tips, etc. on that subject, too! > > > Descendants of Johann Jacob Rierschneck (Rührschneck), a.k.a. Jacob Rasnick from > SW Virginia, who are interested in joining this trip can contact me for more > information. > > Thanks! > > Marie Rasnick Fetzer > http://www.rasnickfamily.org > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Marie, How interesting of you to link Franconians with the Hessians. I was unaware that other Germanic areas were involved in the American Revolution. I was stationed in Ansbach in the early sixties, a member of the American sector occupying army (but by the 60s the "enemy" was the "Communists"). There are three military installations in Ansbach called Kasernes and all were occupied by the Americans, /Gneisenau, Bleidorn/, and /Hindenburg/. I was stationed in Gneisenau but the Americans had changed its name to /*Barton Barracks*./ Very close by is *Bleidorn* Kaserne (no name change). Both of these are on the southern periphery of the town. I think these two Kasernes are relatively modern. The main kaserne is *Hindenburg* located in the northwest central part of the town. It seems likely Hindenburg would date back to the 18th century and would be a possible place for military parades, etc. There is an avenue at stadtmitte (center of town) called /Promenade/ at the east end of which is Markgrafenschloß (the Margrave's Castle). The Promenade could have seen military parades. Just adjacent east from stadtmitte is a large green area called Hofgarten where the beautiful Orangerie is located. Looking this up in Wikipedia I see an Orangerie is a place where the ruler's plants were kept during the winter. What an elaborate greenhouse it is. Here's a quote: "It was margravine Christiane Charlotte who ordered the construction of the Orangerie to make Ansbach more beautiful. In 1726 to 1727 the building process took place. The Orangerie was used to keep various temperature sensitive plants, mainly of the type citrus. Nowadays inside the Orangerie you will find a restaurant and two large rooms which can be rented for events and where concerts are held." My guess is that military parades were not held in the Hofgarten. I hope this gives you a good start, Marie. Ansbach is a wonderful little medieval town near Nürnburg with Stuttgart, Augsburg, and München within a 90-mile radius. Ansbach had three breweries when I was there. One of them made a wheat beer (weizenbier) that was oh so delicious but I've forgotten the name. Of course, weizenbier is seasonal. Another unusual tip is that you might contact the US Army (if they're still there) for information. I'm still astonished the army took such good care of us. They had prepared numerous pamphlets concerning Bavarian landmarks and they organized bus tours that could be taken to these places when on pass or leave and it was all free or nearly free. I took great advantage of these benefits, carefully planning for the next trip on my next pass. The Army even had a resort down near Garmisch-Partenkirchen where I stayed for three days and even saw an ice-capades-type show. On another trip I got to see Mad King Ludwig's castle, Neuschwanstein. You will have a fabulous time, I'm sure. Dan Cooley Marie Rasnick Fetzer wrote: > Hello List! > I canâEUR^(TM)t believe it, but IâEUR^(TM)m planning a trip to Germany to visit the homeland of my Hessian soldier ancestor! While there, IâEUR^(TM)ll be in Ansbach and of course want to see the streets he would have marched down as his regiment left town for America. IâEUR^(TM)ve seen an engraving of the event and am wondering if anyone knows of the exact location where they marched amid the people crying and saying goodbye, or where I could find this information. Also, IâEUR^(TM)d like to stay in a hotel near that area and could use suggestions. And another question, IâEUR^(TM)d appreciate it if anyone knows of a local guide or historian that they could recommend. And if anyone has organized meetings with German cousins, I could use ideas, tips, etc. on that subject, too! > > Descendants of Johann Jacob Rierschneck (Rührschneck), a.k.a. Jacob Rasnick from SW Virginia, who are interested in joining this trip can contact me for more information.Thanks! > Marie Rasnick Fetzer > http://www.rasnickfamily.org >
Marie .... enjoy!