Ellen, I found reference in "The Hessians and the Other German Auxiliaries of Great Britain in the Revolutionary War", by Edward J. Lowell, (Williamstown, MA: Corner House Publishers, 1975) which seems to indicate that some German soldiers did have uniforms that were supplied to them by the British. While this book is not a primary source, the author does reference many primary source documents, including Eelking "Hulfstruppen, vol. ii. p. 187 pertaining to deaths in Canada from exposure, but I don't know the source of the foregoing information. p. 119 of Lowell's book - "The Brunswickers in Canada "... The Brunswickers were reviewed and mustered into the English service by Colonel Faucitt, who was not pleased with the appearance of the soldiers. Many were too old, many were half grown boys. The uniforms of the first division were so bad that the English government was obliged to advance 5000 pounds to Riedesel to get his men a new outfit in Portsmouth. He was cheated by the English contractors, and when the cases of shoes were opened at sea they were found to contain ladies' slippers. For a Canadian campaign no overcoat had been provided. New uniforms for the first division were sent after them in the course of the summer." Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as "Georges"? > > Ellen, > First The Germanic soldiers were from standing armies .. so they had their > own officers and equipment to include weapons and uniforms. I have never > heard of them having buttons that had King George's engraved head on them, > nor that they were ever referred to as Georges. Yes they did swear > allegiance to King George, but the Germanic officers also reported back to > their heads of city states/princes and Barrons ..who ever was in charge of > them. > > The reason they were referred to as Hessians was because the largest > amount of soldiers came from Hess Kassel, King George's brother-in-law's > principlaity. > > Has any one looked to see if there was a Germanic soldier listed with a > surname of George? > > Have you looked into the idea that your ancestor actually might have been > English? the English National Archives (you can gooole for it.) has some > military records and you could check with their military section. > and you need to search the archives for the George surname > > nelda > > > > Nelda L. Percival > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > > > Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com > > > http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com > - > http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:50:13 +0000 >> Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as >> "Georges"? >> >> Hi, >> My father told me his maternal grandmother had the last name of George. >> He said she was descendant of a Hessian soldier and as he served under >> King George (he said their uniforms had buttons with the head of King >> George engraved on them) they were called "Georges." Supposedly when my >> ancestor decided to stay in America he took the George as his surname >> because of this (and I'm sure a more Anglicized named helped). Has >> anyone ever heard of a reference anywhere to Hessian soldiers taking the >> surname of George? >> Thanks, >> Ellen McDonald >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ellen, I of course don't know your experience in genealogy, but family stories normally have some bases of truth, although that truth can be stretched all out of kilter. What you need to do if you are not an experienced researcher is restart your search with your self. Get all the documents, birth certificates, marriage licenses, wills, probate records, ect. You say.. Why? because it helps prove or correct minor things that may be the cause of the family story. I have friends in England I'll see if I can get any information on the "Georges" story. Most of the old timers here have been studying the Hessians for years... some almost as much as our founder John Merz. 20 - 30 years. If it is true I find it very funny that John had never mentioned any comments about it. What I can't understand is the comment you made about your thiought to be Hessian taking the surname George. The Germanic peoples had been using surnames for probably at least a few hundred years by then. In tracing my line the Bonnstein surname is recorded in church parishes back as far as 1640.. So there would have been no need to change his last name to George, but George spelled that way maybe the anglicized version. Although, g.welbaum in his comment stated he found the surname George, in three of the six volumes of the HETRINA, which indicates that George was already a Germanic surname. HETRINA - Is six volumes of gathered information transcribed in to these volumes. It is published by the Hessian State Archive at Marburg of about 15,000 soldiers in German regiments sent to fight in the American Revolution from 1776-1784 It is written in both German and English. Please note that the HETRINA lists each name as many times as that soldier was recorded in military records which in some units was quite frequent (e.g., annually) Auerbach, Franz, Frohlich. Listed are the person's number, surname, given name, birth year, place of origin, town & state, rank, unit, type of record. Volume I: Covers the four Hessen-Kessel grenadier battalions formed from various grenadier companies in Zierenberg near the end of January 1776. They embarked in April 1776 in Bremerlehe. Some arrived in America on July 25, 1776 but the majority were in America by Mid-August of that year. These battalions formed a brigade under the command of Colonel von Donop and another battalion was organized in Wolhagen in mid-February 1776 and embarked in Ritzenbuttel in June, arrived in New York at the end of October 1776. Volume II: For those interested, the six regiments covered in HETRINA II are: Prinz Carl v. Ditfurth v. Donop [1784 became v. Knyphausen] v. Loßberg [1780 became Alt v. Loßberg; sometimes called "Lossberg Senior"] v. Mirbach [1780 became Jung v. Loßberg, sometimes called "Lossberg Junior"] v. Trümbach [1778 became v. Bose] The above were all infantry regiments comprising five companies of approximately 125 men each. HETRINA II contains 12,311 entries covering these six regiments. I opine that these regiments have complete range of records, begining muster, ending muster and all monthly reports. Volume III Covers the following regiments: Princes Own Infantry; Landgraf; Prince-Successor; von Knyphausen; Rall; and von Wissenbach Garrison. Volume IV: Volume 4 covers the following: von Buenau Garrison Regiment; von Stein Garrison Regiment; Courier Corps; and Artillery Corps. Volume V: Volume 5 covers: Third Englis-Waldeck Mercenary Regiment. Volume VI: Covers the following: Hesse-Hanau Regiment of the Crown Prince; Artillery Corps; Hesse-Hanau Fusilier Corps (Chasseurs); and Hesse-Hanau Free Corps.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is all at our AMREV-HESSIAN MAILING LIST'S WEBSITE: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ and here for info on HETRINA: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/r-c/hetrina.htm Check out the website it can help... N. Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:16:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as"Georges?" > > HETRINA , volumes 1, 2 and 6 have dozens of entries for the surname George, > I did not check the other volumes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan King > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to > as"Georges?" > > Ellen, > > > > The only man with the surname "George" listed in John Merz's "Guide" is: > > > > Georg, Johannes, 2. Co., 1750/51 Holzhausen, D2-5/1783 > > > > This entry is listed in the "Deserters as registered by the Hessische > Archives Marburg in HETRINA IV of the Hesse-Kassel Field-Jaeger Corps" > section of his Guide. The notation "D2" means he deserted from his unit in > 1783. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Susan > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. 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HETRINA , volumes 1, 2 and 6 have dozens of entries for the surname George, I did not check the other volumes. -----Original Message----- From: Susan King Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as"Georges?" Ellen, The only man with the surname "George" listed in John Merz's "Guide" is: Georg, Johannes, 2. Co., 1750/51 Holzhausen, D2-5/1783 This entry is listed in the "Deserters as registered by the Hessische Archives Marburg in HETRINA IV of the Hesse-Kassel Field-Jaeger Corps" section of his Guide. The notation "D2" means he deserted from his unit in 1783. Hope this helps! Susan PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ellen, The only man with the surname "George" listed in John Merz's "Guide" is: Georg, Johannes, 2. Co., 1750/51 Holzhausen, D2-5/1783 This entry is listed in the "Deserters as registered by the Hessische Archives Marburg in HETRINA IV of the Hesse-Kassel Field-Jaeger Corps" section of his Guide. The notation "D2" means he deserted from his unit in 1783. Hope this helps! Susan

Nelda, on 15 Dec 2011 at 17:45, you sent the following: > Ellen, > First The Germanic soldiers were from standing armies .. so > they had their own officers and equipment to include weapons > and uniforms. I have never heard of them having buttons that > had King George's engraved head on them, nor that they were > ever referred to as Georges. <snip /> > Have you looked into the idea that your ancestor actually > might have been English? As further support for your idea that the soldier in question might have been English, it was only 30 years earlier that the citizens of Newcastle- upon-Tyne broke with the rest of their fellow Northumberlanders and declared allegiance to the Hanoverian kings (George II, et al.) in opposition to Bonnie Prince Charlie during the time of the Uprising. For this, they were subsequently referred to as "Geordies". George McCallum

Ellen, First The Germanic soldiers were from standing armies .. so they had their own officers and equipment to include weapons and uniforms. I have never heard of them having buttons that had King George's engraved head on them, nor that they were ever referred to as Georges. Yes they did swear allegiance to King George, but the Germanic officers also reported back to their heads of city states/princes and Barrons ..who ever was in charge of them. The reason they were referred to as Hessians was because the largest amount of soldiers came from Hess Kassel, King George's brother-in-law's principlaity. Has any one looked to see if there was a Germanic soldier listed with a surname of George? Have you looked into the idea that your ancestor actually might have been English? the English National Archives (you can gooole for it.) has some military records and you could check with their military section. and you need to search the archives for the George surname nelda Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:50:13 +0000 > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as "Georges"? > > Hi, > My father told me his maternal grandmother had the last name of George. He said she was descendant of a Hessian soldier and as he served under King George (he said their uniforms had buttons with the head of King George engraved on them) they were called "Georges." Supposedly when my ancestor decided to stay in America he took the George as his surname because of this (and I'm sure a more Anglicized named helped). Has anyone ever heard of a reference anywhere to Hessian soldiers taking the surname of George? > Thanks, > Ellen McDonald > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, My father told me his maternal grandmother had the last name of George. He said she was descendant of a Hessian soldier and as he served under King George (he said their uniforms had buttons with the head of King George engraved on them) they were called "Georges." Supposedly when my ancestor decided to stay in America he took the George as his surname because of this (and I'm sure a more Anglicized named helped). Has anyone ever heard of a reference anywhere to Hessian soldiers taking the surname of George? Thanks, Ellen McDonald

This type of service is what I am trying to find for my Hessian. I know he doesn't follow the Majority who were captured and marched to VA and later released from York PA after the war. So know there is some more convoluted path for him and his family. So ideas as Cathe shares sometimes gives us HOPE that perhaps we will find, or someone will see the name Wilhelm William Swart Schwartz in their reading and lead me to where he was in NY 1778-1780. I feel he, after capture, fought with the colonies and will likely find him among their lists. SO thanks Cathe for sharing that this did happen and where. Connie I'm not sure what she wants done with this but thought it should be in the archives... Respond to her off list... Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:36:20 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Hessian soldiers who fought for the American Forces I am looking into getting offical govt sources. Henry (Hieronymus Wille) and his brother were originally German Hessian soldiers captured by American Forces and treated better by the Americans as Prisoners of War than by the English, and as such petitioned and were allowed to fight with the American Army. On December 20, 1776, 900 Hessians were captured by Washington at Trenton, New Jersey, including Henry Will's regisment. One year's service (February 1778 to January 1779. He was discharged from the Army at Middlebrook, Virginia in January 1779. Cordially, Cathe McConiga [email protected]

I've done a lot of work on Henry Will or Henry Wills. Much of the information listed below seems to have been sort of incorrectly researched by two of my great aunts (Esther and Annie Laurie Bowen) back around 1912. The two Wills captured at Trenton don't seem to be related at all. The Henry Wills recorded in the Virginia regiment came from Charles City, Virginia and never moved to the Shenandoah Valley where our "Henry" Will alledgedly received bounty land. It appears that the real guy was named Matthias Will who received 28 acres of land near New Market, VA. Matthias Will (or Matteus Konrad Will) served in the Bayreuth grenadier regiment captured at Yorktown in 1781. The Bayreuth records show him as having enlisted with the Americans rather than having deserted. My best guess is that he joined a Virginia militia regiment in 1782 when the Germans in prison at Frederick, MD were given the opportunity to enlist in American regiments and be relased from prison. Unfortunately I lost most of my reseearch records on this due to a computer crash, but I can help if one wants to contact me privately.Curt Larsengreat grandson of Mary Ellen Will and gg grandson ofJames St. Clair Will > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:39:56 -0600 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hessian soldiers who fought for the American Forces > > > I'm not sure what she wants done with this but thought it should be in the archives... > Respond to her off list... > > > Nelda L. Percival > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > > > Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com > > > http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com > - > http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > > > > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:36:20 -0800 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Hessian soldiers who fought for the American Forces > To: [email protected] > > > I am looking into getting offical govt sources. > > Henry (Hieronymus Wille) and his brother were originally German Hessian soldiers captured by American Forces and treated better by the Americans as Prisoners of War than by the English, and as such petitioned and were allowed to fight with the American Army. > On December 20, 1776, 900 Hessians were captured by Washington at Trenton, New Jersey, including Henry Will's regisment. One year's service (February 1778 to January 1779. He was discharged from the Army at Middlebrook, Virginia in January 1779. > My 4th Great Grandfather Henry Will enlisted in Capt. Callohill Minnis' Co., 1st Virginia Regiment of Foot, commanded by Col. Richard Parker as Sargent in Feb 1778 for one year. War Record in National Archives and Record Service, Washington, D. C. > >From Muster Roll: > May, 1778 under Capt. Alexander Cummins Co. 1st Virginia Regiment, Commanded by Col. Richard Parker. > June 1778 served at Brunswick - Capt. Callohill Minnis' Co. 1st Virginia Regiment of Foot, Commanded by Col. Richard Parker > July, August 1778 served at White Plains with above company. > Sept. 1778 served at West Point with above company > Oct, Nov, Dec 1778 & Jan 1779 served at Middlebrook under Lieut. Col. Burgess Ball's Co. of 1st Virginia Regiment, commanded by Col. Richard Parker > > Cordially, > > Cathe McConiga > [email protected] > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure what she wants done with this but thought it should be in the archives... Respond to her off list... Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:36:20 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Hessian soldiers who fought for the American Forces To: [email protected] I am looking into getting offical govt sources. Henry (Hieronymus Wille) and his brother were originally German Hessian soldiers captured by American Forces and treated better by the Americans as Prisoners of War than by the English, and as such petitioned and were allowed to fight with the American Army. On December 20, 1776, 900 Hessians were captured by Washington at Trenton, New Jersey, including Henry Will's regisment. One year's service (February 1778 to January 1779. He was discharged from the Army at Middlebrook, Virginia in January 1779. My 4th Great Grandfather Henry Will enlisted in Capt. Callohill Minnis' Co., 1st Virginia Regiment of Foot, commanded by Col. Richard Parker as Sargent in Feb 1778 for one year. War Record in National Archives and Record Service, Washington, D. C. >From Muster Roll: May, 1778 under Capt. Alexander Cummins Co. 1st Virginia Regiment, Commanded by Col. Richard Parker. June 1778 served at Brunswick - Capt. Callohill Minnis' Co. 1st Virginia Regiment of Foot, Commanded by Col. Richard Parker July, August 1778 served at White Plains with above company. Sept. 1778 served at West Point with above company Oct, Nov, Dec 1778 & Jan 1779 served at Middlebrook under Lieut. Col. Burgess Ball's Co. of 1st Virginia Regiment, commanded by Col. Richard Parker Cordially, Cathe McConiga [email protected]

I answered her with info on where to find out about Reidesel's army From: Nelda Percival <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 11:36 PM Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] John Frederick Tone/Tohn please contact her directly...nelda [email protected] Mary Hicks Nelda,   I saw Mitchell Tone's query to John Metz dated January 22, 2000, along with John's response that he had found nothing in his records.  After about a year of researching John Frederick Tone/Tohn, I have some additional information that I have not found on any other genealogical site that may aid in locating John in the German records or in books that have been written about the Hessians.  To date, I have not accessed any of the books or records that I think might prove useful in pinning down where in Germany John was from and what specific German military group he served in.  Although most genealogical records show John as probably coming from Hesse-Cassel, I have found a military record (U.S. Army Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 at Ancestry.com image 359) which gives John's place of birth as Saxony in the State of Germany.  This document has to do with John's enlistment on April 7, 1813 into the ranks of the 11th US Inf. His estimated date of birth is most probably 1750-52; however some records show his possibly being born later. I found a reference to John in the  History of Lebanon, N.H., 1761-1887, (Concord, NH: Runford Printing Company, 1908) by Charles Algernoon - a town next to Plainfield where he lived after the war until his death in 1830.  This reference says John was a Hessian soldier and deserted after the Battle of Bennington.  The German troops involved at Bennington were from Braunschwieg (Brunswick), under the overall command of of General Friedrich Adolph Riedesel -  part of General John Burgoyne’s army - and specifically , a regiment of dismounted dragoons under the command of Lt. Col. Friedrich Baum, and a  Battalion of grenadiers under the command of Lt. Col. Heinrick Breymann. It is not clear if John actually deserted at Bennington or if he may have been taken prisoner and either deserted or was hired by a sympathetic American and simply never tried to return to the German ranks or to Germany.  When he enlisted into the Continental Line he did so in January 1781 at Voluntown, Connecticut and gave his residence as Voluntown.  I have found an affidavit in the Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty-Land Warrant File for John Andrew Hensey, in support of Sarah Hensey's Widow's pension, which specifically names "John Frederick Tone".  In this affidavit by John T. Gordon, he states that "John Andrew Hensey was a Hessian in Burgoyne's Army and was taken prisoner at the capture of said Army and that said J. A. Hensey came to live at my father [James Gordon] soon after his being made a prisoner and lived there about three years when he enlisted and went into the continental Army ... . that father had two Germans live with him, the other an associate of J. Hensey was named John Frederick Tone and was called John Tone.  A second affidavit stated that Hensey was taken prisoner after the Battle of Bennington.  At the time of the Revolution the Gordon family lived at Voluntown, Connecticut.  These affidavits seem to imply that Tone and Hensey may have defected together and came together to Connecticut.  They both in 1781 enlisted into Col. Samuel B. Webb's 9th Regiment of the Connecticut Line. If anybody out there has access to the books and records of the Hessian troops from Saxony or Brunswick, and specifically the regiments of Lt. Col. Baum and Breymann, I would greatly appreciate your help in checking these records for John Frederich Tone/Tohn/Thon.  Probably in German, the name is Johann Frederich Tohn or some similar spelling of the surname Mary Hicks Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs: http://why-AIM.com  - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com                         PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Still here too ~ Cecilia Stumpf Hughes On Dec 10, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Suzanne Pryse wrote: > I'm still here. Been busy doing other things. > > > > From: Nelda Percival <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 11:19 PM > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] test > > > hi... > > > Nelda L. Percival > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > index.htm > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > > > Blogs: > > http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com > > > http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com > - > http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AMREV- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AMREV- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm still here.  Been busy doing other things.     From: Nelda Percival <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 11:19 PM Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] test hi... Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs: http://why-AIM.com  - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com                         PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am still on the list. Have not found anything addtional for my ancestor and another Hessian who settled near Hamberg, Berks Co., PA...this would be Wilhelm Lochmann. I do read all posts but have not had anything to add lately. Peggy Lyte Tyrrell, desc. of Gottlieb Westfall. > [Original Message] > From: Nelda Percival <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 12/9/2011 11:22:30 PM > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] test > > > hi... > > > Nelda L. Percival > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > > > Blogs: > > http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com > > > http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com > - > http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4069 - Release Date: 12/09/11

please contact her directly...nelda [email protected] Mary Hicks Nelda, I saw Mitchell Tone's query to John Metz dated January 22, 2000, along with John's response that he had found nothing in his records. After about a year of researching John Frederick Tone/Tohn, I have some additional information that I have not found on any other genealogical site that may aid in locating John in the German records or in books that have been written about the Hessians. To date, I have not accessed any of the books or records that I think might prove useful in pinning down where in Germany John was from and what specific German military group he served in. Although most genealogical records show John as probably coming from Hesse-Cassel, I have found a military record (U.S. Army Register of Enlistments, 1798-1914 at Ancestry.com image 359) which gives John's place of birth as Saxony in the State of Germany. This document has to do with John's enlistment on April 7, 1813 into the ranks of the 11th US Inf. His estimated date of birth is most probably 1750-52; however some records show his possibly being born later. I found a reference to John in the History of Lebanon, N.H., 1761-1887, (Concord, NH: Runford Printing Company, 1908) by Charles Algernoon - a town next to Plainfield where he lived after the war until his death in 1830. This reference says John was a Hessian soldier and deserted after the Battle of Bennington. The German troops involved at Bennington were from Braunschwieg (Brunswick), under the overall command of of General Friedrich Adolph Riedesel - part of General John Burgoyne’s army - and specifically , a regiment of dismounted dragoons under the command of Lt. Col. Friedrich Baum, and a Battalion of grenadiers under the command of Lt. Col. Heinrick Breymann. It is not clear if John actually deserted at Bennington or if he may have been taken prisoner and either deserted or was hired by a sympathetic American and simply never tried to return to the German ranks or to Germany. When he enlisted into the Continental Line he did so in January 1781 at Voluntown, Connecticut and gave his residence as Voluntown. I have found an affidavit in the Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty-Land Warrant File for John Andrew Hensey, in support of Sarah Hensey's Widow's pension, which specifically names "John Frederick Tone". In this affidavit by John T. Gordon, he states that "John Andrew Hensey was a Hessian in Burgoyne's Army and was taken prisoner at the capture of said Army and that said J. A. Hensey came to live at my father [James Gordon] soon after his being made a prisoner and lived there about three years when he enlisted and went into the continental Army ... . that father had two Germans live with him, the other an associate of J. Hensey was named John Frederick Tone and was called John Tone. A second affidavit stated that Hensey was taken prisoner after the Battle of Bennington. At the time of the Revolution the Gordon family lived at Voluntown, Connecticut. These affidavits seem to imply that Tone and Hensey may have defected together and came together to Connecticut. They both in 1781 enlisted into Col. Samuel B. Webb's 9th Regiment of the Connecticut Line. If anybody out there has access to the books and records of the Hessian troops from Saxony or Brunswick, and specifically the regiments of Lt. Col. Baum and Breymann, I would greatly appreciate your help in checking these records for John Frederich Tone/Tohn/Thon. Probably in German, the name is Johann Frederich Tohn or some similar spelling of the surname Mary Hicks Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs: http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com

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Hello Hessians, I have very exciting news to share. A date has finally been set for a group of American descendants of Ansbacher Johann Jacob Rierschneck (Ruehrschneck) to travel to Germany and Austria to see our Hessian soldier’s homeland! Dates for the twelve day trip are: October 12-23, 2012. More information will be available soon which I will post for anyone who is interested. A brochure with tentative itinerary can be seen at the bottom of the following page: http://www.rasnickfamily.org/index.html . It is now less than a year away and as time gets closer, the excitement is really building. I would like to thank everyone on this list who has helped make this dream come true, and especially to our list’s founder, the late John Merz. I know he would share in our joy if he were still here with us. I will keep the list informed as to our progress in hopes that chronicling our journey will help and encourage others with their research. I think that if our family can have the success we have had in finding our Hessian, others can too. Marie Rasnick Fetzer Descendant of Private Johann Jacob Rierschneck Musketeer, Ansbach, Company 1 1777-1783 http://www.rasnickfamily.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jacobrasnickproject/ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/oh/ruehrschneck.htm

If anyone really wants to delve deeply into this topic, one of the standard works is John J. McCusker's *Money and Exchange in Europe and America, 1600-1775* (Chapel Hill, NC: Published for the Institute of Early American History and Culture, Williamsburg, VA, by the University of North Carolina Press, 1978.) I know of no better or more thorough explanation of how money worked in the colonial era, and it's still available in paperback. Karen Stuart On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Marie's comments are on target. Specie was trusted over paper. Spanish gold > was a world standard and came to Spain originally from the Spanish empire > in Central and South America. The manifold problems of currency valuation > resulted in widespread use of land transactions to settle debts. Land was > wealth, and interesting games were played with it too. These problems gave > advantage to the educated and the sophisticated, then as now. One of my > favorite scams is how Virginia was able to pay off some of it's war debts > to Rev > War Vets with land grants in territory that became Ohio. This was > recognized as legitimate by the U. S. Congress. > > Don Fehlings >

Marie's comments are on target. Specie was trusted over paper. Spanish gold was a world standard and came to Spain originally from the Spanish empire in Central and South America. The manifold problems of currency valuation resulted in widespread use of land transactions to settle debts. Land was wealth, and interesting games were played with it too. These problems gave advantage to the educated and the sophisticated, then as now. One of my favorite scams is how Virginia was able to pay off some of it's war debts to Rev War Vets with land grants in territory that became Ohio. This was recognized as legitimate by the U. S. Congress. Don Fehlings In a message dated 10/11/2011 4:24:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Susan, Just a comment re: your earlier post about the Spanish Dollar. I don't know much about it, but it's my understanding that there were many different types of currencies circulating about during Colonial times. Of course there was the British denominations of pounds, shillings and pence. And the Thirteen Colonies also circulated their own versions, however their value varied from colony to colony, and their pounds were always worth less than the British version. There were also many other foreign currencies circulating about, most notably the Spanish Dollar. The Continental Congress issued paper money to pay for military expenses, but unfortunately both state and Continental currency depreciated rapidly. So it's my thought that maybe the price required to pay for a Hessian soldier's freedom was specified as eighty Spanish Dollars was because the Spanish Dollar was a more stable currency and had a very specific value assessed to it, as opposed to the differing values of the pounds of the various Colonies. I guess the Continental Congress had more faith in the value of the Spanish Dollar than their own money they were printing! Anyway, there's more information if you Google a search for Money in the American Colonies. Marie Rasnick Fetzer ----Original Message----- From: Susan King Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:28 PM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Indentures in Frederick, MD Hi Kevin, If you haven't yet read the excellent work Marie Rasnick Fetzer compiled about our Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiment ancestors, you should. She did a fantastic job! (See the link below.) On page 19, she notes, from Conrad Dohla's diary: " 'According to Dohla, on August 27, 1782, Garrison orders were: 'Every prisoner of war who has the desire to remain in this country shall be set free at once and receive a Certificate from the Minister of War permitting him to enjoy the liberties As a native of the country. In this case he must pay the sum of eighty dollars.' Signed" John Wood, Colonel' " http://www.rasnickfamily.org/thehessianbarracks.pdf I have also heard others say it was required to be paid in "Spanish gold." I haven't studied it enough yet to know if that's factual. It's kind of a long story, and not easy to explain briefly, but when I learned of this, it threw out a red flag regarding my ancestor, Johann Christoph (Christopher) Waggoner. Some years later, Christopher was in Allegany Co., MD and was paying cash to the estate of an Edward Wilson. He is the only one to do so and there is no reason listed for the debt. It seemed odd. Edward Wilson and some others in the area, such as Lenox Martin, brother of the famous attorney, Luther Martin, can all be tracked back to Frederick Co., specifically the area around Frederick, the city, in the early 1780's. I feel this is one of the ties that help my case that Christopher in Allegany was indeed the Hessian Johann Christoph Waggoner. So, I was wondering if there were any records kept of the indentures of loans to the Hessians and I knew the awesome people on here may know. Hope this helps. Susan PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not so unlike currency today! Thanks, Marie. Susan Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:24:30 -0400 From: "Marie Rasnick Fetzer" <[email protected]> Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Spanish Dollar To: <[email protected]> Hello Susan, Just a comment re: your earlier post about the Spanish Dollar. I don't know much about it, but it's my understanding that there were many different types of currencies circulating about during Colonial times. Of course there was the British denominations of pounds, shillings and pence. And the Thirteen Colonies also circulated their own versions, however their value varied from colony to colony, and their pounds were always worth less than the British version. There were also many other foreign currencies circulating about, most notably the Spanish Dollar. The Continental Congress issued paper money to pay for military expenses, but unfortunately both state and Continental currency depreciated rapidly. So it's my thought that maybe the price required to pay for a Hessian soldier's freedom was specified as eighty Spanish Dollars was because the Spanish Dollar was a more stable currency and had a very specific value assessed to it, as opposed to the differing values of the pounds of the various Colonies. I guess the Continental Congress had more faith in the value of the Spanish Dollar than their own money they were printing! Anyway, there's more information if you Google a search for Money in the American Colonies. Marie Rasnick Fetzer