Mary, go to rootsweb.com use the bar at the top where it says searches then click on Search Thingy — a silly name for our powerful site-wide search engine. in put "thon"... word only.. I got probably about a thousand hits. here are two: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mooregen/thon/thon.htm http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wvcccfhr/beards/records/t/thon.htm nelda Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:38:19 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Look-Up Help > > Doris, > Thanks for the tip. However, I've searched through most of the > amrev-hessian archives and the rootsweb archives and don't find the man to > whom you refer. Will keep digging. > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Look-Up Help > > > > > > Mary,if you go to the Hessen rootsweb list and look in their > > archives,there is a gent.doing research > > with the Thon ect.spelling ,with that name. He is located in > > Germany and he looked for some > > of his relatives over here,if not in the US + Canada..forgot. > > Good luck,Doris. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mary Hicks <[email protected]> > > To: amrev-hessians <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sat, Dec 17, 2011 2:50 pm > > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Look-Up Help > > > > > > > > (1) Brunswick troops in North America, 1776-1783 : index of all soldiers > > who > > emained in North America by Claus Reuter > > (2) Brunswick Deserter-Immigrants of the American Revolution, by Clifford > > Neal > > mith > > (3) Emigrants from Saxony by Clifford Neal Smith > > > > If any of you on the mailing list have ready access to any of these books, > > I > > ould greatly appreciate your help in looking up my 4th great grandfather. > > > > Name: John Friedrich Tone/Tohn - He signed his surname as Tone and Tohn, > > but > > he German records may show some variation in the surname such as Thon, > > Thoene, > > tc. My best guess would be Johann Friedrich Tohn. > > > > Born: Records suggest about 1750-52, but possibly a little later, in > > Saxony, > > ermany > > > > Served: Evidence suggests he served in Gen. Riedesel's Regiment under > > either > > ol. Friedrich Baum's in the dismounted regiment of dragoons, or under Lt. > > Col. > > einrich Breyman in the battalion of grenadiers. > > > > Deserted: Deserted after Battle of Bennington or taken prisoner and then > > eserted. > > > > Lived in: Voluntown, CT with family of James Gordon (along with another > > essian John Andrew Hensey/Andreas Hensee-who served under Lt. Col. Baum) > > from > > hortly after Battle of Bennington until enlistment in Connecticut Line. > > An > > ffidavit refers to John F. Tone as an "associate" of John Andrew Hensey > > which > > uggests they may have possibly either deserted together or were hired > > together > > y James Gordon. > > > > Served: Enlistment in Connecticut Line, Col. Samuel B. Webb's 3rd > > Regiment, in > > anuary 1781. Served until October 1783 when discharged by Gen. Knox at > > West > > oint. > > > > Also > > Served: 9 months during War of 1812; discharged for health reasons > > > > Lived in: East Plainfield, Sullivan, NH from prior to 1790 until > > death in > > 830. > > > > I will greatly appreciate any help you can give me in finding additional > > nformation that traces John's German roots. After working off and on for > > about > > year, I am just now ready to try to delve into the German side of his > > life. > > > > Mary > > > > LEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > > ~~~~~~~~ > > OUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ttp://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > DMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of > > he message > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jack, thanks for the info. I hadn't realized exactly what "warning out" meant. So it could be that Christopher and Rebecca were newcomers to town, rather than the townspeople kicking them out because of anger at the Hessians and loyalists. I've seen this a couple other places in old records, and it does make more sense now. It was actually the recent posts about the Burgoyne Saratoga campaign that prompted me to finally write in, rather than lurk as I have been doing. Robert, it looks like you're right. I do see that some Hanau Artillery are listed in a couple Orders of Battle for Bennington. Is there a chance that ART could refer to these people? Thanks! - Adam On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Robert Sulentic <[email protected]>wrote: > The HETRINA entries aren't your man, if he was captured at Bennington. He > would have been with the Brunswick troops. > > None of those Hessian units served with Burgoyne. > BOS is regiment von Bose > KNY is regiment von Knyphausen > WIS is regiment von Wissenbach > ART is the Hessian artillery > > -Robert Sulentic > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Adam Call Roberts <[email protected]> > >Sent: Dec 19, 2011 7:22 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] "Tiffnaner" Surname > > > >I'd like to know if I'm on the right track here, and where I might be able > >to look further. > > > >I'm trying to locate a Christopher Tiffaner / Tiffany on Hessian roles. > > > > > > - On 23 Mar 1784, Christopher Teffener married Rebecka Ellis in > > Bennington, VT. > > - On 21 Apr 1784, Christopher Teffeney and his wife Rebecka were warned > > to leave Bennington. > > - Cambridge, VT town records show two children were born to Christopher > > Tiffany and his wife Rebeccah in 15 Aug 1784 and in 20 Dec 1786, > neither > > with a place of birth shown. > > - The Vermont Historical Gazetteer (1871) says "Christopher Tiffany, > one > > of Burgoyne's Dutch soldiers" immigrated from Bennington to Cambridge > > between 1789 and 1800. > > - In the 1790 census, Christopher Tiffaner was living in Cambridge, VT > > with 5 white females. Other marriage, birth and death records show he > > lived there until his death in 21 Mar 1809. He signed his named with > an X. > > - His grandson's journal lists Christopher Tiffany as "from Germany." > > > >So the obvious guess is that he was taken prisoner or deserted at > >Bennington. > > > >One of my relatives suggests that 'Tiffaner' might be 'Dieffenbach' or > >'Tiffenbacher' or something along those lines. I've received Clifford > Neal > >Smith's "British and German Deserters..." and can't find anyone of those > >names or close to them. > > > >I had a couple hours with HETRINA on microfilm and jotted down a few > >possibilities, along with the HETRINA abbreviations and codes. (sadly, > >imagining I would have more time later with the index, and not writing > down > >what the codes meant) > > > >Here's the basics of what I jotted down, as far as the Christoph ____ s > go: > > > >Book II: > >Christoph Degenhardt - GE BOS4 12 2-1781 > >Christoph Dettmar - GE BOS3 11 3-1781 > > > >Book III: > >Christoph Dedenbier - GE KNY5 11 12-1774 > >Christoph ______ - GE KNY5 11 2-1777 > >Christoph Degenhasdt - GE RAL4 > >Christoph Dieffenbach - GE WIS5 12 12-1779 > >Christoph Dieffenbach - GE WIS 5 12 12-1779 > >Christoph ______ - 12 8 - 1782 > >Christoph Drebing - KA ART 11 10-1781 > > > >Book IV: > >Christoph Toehne - KA ART 11 2-1777 > > > >If my search was comprehensive, I couldn't find any Christoph D___ or > >Christoph T___ of an appropriate age who left or was captured during the > >Saratoga campaign. > > > >Am I on the right track? What other sorts of names should I be looking > for? > >It is entirely possible that Christopher Tiffaner was not a Hessian at all > >and the Gazetteer got it wrong. But the timing of the marriage seems > >pretty coincidental. > > > >Thanks, > >Adam Call Roberts > >PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > >~~~~~~~~~ > >FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > >~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > >~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
The HETRINA entries aren't your man, if he was captured at Bennington. He would have been with the Brunswick troops. None of those Hessian units served with Burgoyne. BOS is regiment von Bose KNY is regiment von Knyphausen WIS is regiment von Wissenbach ART is the Hessian artillery -Robert Sulentic -----Original Message----- >From: Adam Call Roberts <[email protected]> >Sent: Dec 19, 2011 7:22 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] "Tiffnaner" Surname > >I'd like to know if I'm on the right track here, and where I might be able >to look further. > >I'm trying to locate a Christopher Tiffaner / Tiffany on Hessian roles. > > > - On 23 Mar 1784, Christopher Teffener married Rebecka Ellis in > Bennington, VT. > - On 21 Apr 1784, Christopher Teffeney and his wife Rebecka were warned > to leave Bennington. > - Cambridge, VT town records show two children were born to Christopher > Tiffany and his wife Rebeccah in 15 Aug 1784 and in 20 Dec 1786, neither > with a place of birth shown. > - The Vermont Historical Gazetteer (1871) says "Christopher Tiffany, one > of Burgoyne's Dutch soldiers" immigrated from Bennington to Cambridge > between 1789 and 1800. > - In the 1790 census, Christopher Tiffaner was living in Cambridge, VT > with 5 white females. Other marriage, birth and death records show he > lived there until his death in 21 Mar 1809. He signed his named with an X. > - His grandson's journal lists Christopher Tiffany as "from Germany." > >So the obvious guess is that he was taken prisoner or deserted at >Bennington. > >One of my relatives suggests that 'Tiffaner' might be 'Dieffenbach' or >'Tiffenbacher' or something along those lines. I've received Clifford Neal >Smith's "British and German Deserters..." and can't find anyone of those >names or close to them. > >I had a couple hours with HETRINA on microfilm and jotted down a few >possibilities, along with the HETRINA abbreviations and codes. (sadly, >imagining I would have more time later with the index, and not writing down >what the codes meant) > >Here's the basics of what I jotted down, as far as the Christoph ____ s go: > >Book II: >Christoph Degenhardt - GE BOS4 12 2-1781 >Christoph Dettmar - GE BOS3 11 3-1781 > >Book III: >Christoph Dedenbier - GE KNY5 11 12-1774 >Christoph ______ - GE KNY5 11 2-1777 >Christoph Degenhasdt - GE RAL4 >Christoph Dieffenbach - GE WIS5 12 12-1779 >Christoph Dieffenbach - GE WIS 5 12 12-1779 >Christoph ______ - 12 8 - 1782 >Christoph Drebing - KA ART 11 10-1781 > >Book IV: >Christoph Toehne - KA ART 11 2-1777 > >If my search was comprehensive, I couldn't find any Christoph D___ or >Christoph T___ of an appropriate age who left or was captured during the >Saratoga campaign. > >Am I on the right track? What other sorts of names should I be looking for? >It is entirely possible that Christopher Tiffaner was not a Hessian at all >and the Gazetteer got it wrong. But the timing of the marriage seems >pretty coincidental. > >Thanks, >Adam Call Roberts >PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! >~~~~~~~~~ >FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 >~~~~~~~~~~~~ >http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin >~~~~~~~~~~~~ >ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I'd like to know if I'm on the right track here, and where I might be able to look further. I'm trying to locate a Christopher Tiffaner / Tiffany on Hessian roles. - On 23 Mar 1784, Christopher Teffener married Rebecka Ellis in Bennington, VT. - On 21 Apr 1784, Christopher Teffeney and his wife Rebecka were warned to leave Bennington. - Cambridge, VT town records show two children were born to Christopher Tiffany and his wife Rebeccah in 15 Aug 1784 and in 20 Dec 1786, neither with a place of birth shown. - The Vermont Historical Gazetteer (1871) says "Christopher Tiffany, one of Burgoyne's Dutch soldiers" immigrated from Bennington to Cambridge between 1789 and 1800. - In the 1790 census, Christopher Tiffaner was living in Cambridge, VT with 5 white females. Other marriage, birth and death records show he lived there until his death in 21 Mar 1809. He signed his named with an X. - His grandson's journal lists Christopher Tiffany as "from Germany." So the obvious guess is that he was taken prisoner or deserted at Bennington. One of my relatives suggests that 'Tiffaner' might be 'Dieffenbach' or 'Tiffenbacher' or something along those lines. I've received Clifford Neal Smith's "British and German Deserters..." and can't find anyone of those names or close to them. I had a couple hours with HETRINA on microfilm and jotted down a few possibilities, along with the HETRINA abbreviations and codes. (sadly, imagining I would have more time later with the index, and not writing down what the codes meant) Here's the basics of what I jotted down, as far as the Christoph ____ s go: Book II: Christoph Degenhardt - GE BOS4 12 2-1781 Christoph Dettmar - GE BOS3 11 3-1781 Book III: Christoph Dedenbier - GE KNY5 11 12-1774 Christoph ______ - GE KNY5 11 2-1777 Christoph Degenhasdt - GE RAL4 Christoph Dieffenbach - GE WIS5 12 12-1779 Christoph Dieffenbach - GE WIS 5 12 12-1779 Christoph ______ - 12 8 - 1782 Christoph Drebing - KA ART 11 10-1781 Book IV: Christoph Toehne - KA ART 11 2-1777 If my search was comprehensive, I couldn't find any Christoph D___ or Christoph T___ of an appropriate age who left or was captured during the Saratoga campaign. Am I on the right track? What other sorts of names should I be looking for? It is entirely possible that Christopher Tiffaner was not a Hessian at all and the Gazetteer got it wrong. But the timing of the marriage seems pretty coincidental. Thanks, Adam Call Roberts
Doris, Thanks for the tip. However, I've searched through most of the amrev-hessian archives and the rootsweb archives and don't find the man to whom you refer. Will keep digging. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Look-Up Help > > Mary,if you go to the Hessen rootsweb list and look in their > archives,there is a gent.doing research > with the Thon ect.spelling ,with that name. He is located in > Germany and he looked for some > of his relatives over here,if not in the US + Canada..forgot. > Good luck,Doris. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Hicks <[email protected]> > To: amrev-hessians <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Dec 17, 2011 2:50 pm > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Look-Up Help > > > > (1) Brunswick troops in North America, 1776-1783 : index of all soldiers > who > emained in North America by Claus Reuter > (2) Brunswick Deserter-Immigrants of the American Revolution, by Clifford > Neal > mith > (3) Emigrants from Saxony by Clifford Neal Smith > > If any of you on the mailing list have ready access to any of these books, > I > ould greatly appreciate your help in looking up my 4th great grandfather. > > Name: John Friedrich Tone/Tohn - He signed his surname as Tone and Tohn, > but > he German records may show some variation in the surname such as Thon, > Thoene, > tc. My best guess would be Johann Friedrich Tohn. > > Born: Records suggest about 1750-52, but possibly a little later, in > Saxony, > ermany > > Served: Evidence suggests he served in Gen. Riedesel's Regiment under > either > ol. Friedrich Baum's in the dismounted regiment of dragoons, or under Lt. > Col. > einrich Breyman in the battalion of grenadiers. > > Deserted: Deserted after Battle of Bennington or taken prisoner and then > eserted. > > Lived in: Voluntown, CT with family of James Gordon (along with another > essian John Andrew Hensey/Andreas Hensee-who served under Lt. Col. Baum) > from > hortly after Battle of Bennington until enlistment in Connecticut Line. > An > ffidavit refers to John F. Tone as an "associate" of John Andrew Hensey > which > uggests they may have possibly either deserted together or were hired > together > y James Gordon. > > Served: Enlistment in Connecticut Line, Col. Samuel B. Webb's 3rd > Regiment, in > anuary 1781. Served until October 1783 when discharged by Gen. Knox at > West > oint. > > Also > Served: 9 months during War of 1812; discharged for health reasons > > Lived in: East Plainfield, Sullivan, NH from prior to 1790 until > death in > 830. > > I will greatly appreciate any help you can give me in finding additional > nformation that traces John's German roots. After working off and on for > about > year, I am just now ready to try to delve into the German side of his > life. > > Mary > > LEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~ > OUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > ttp://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > DMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Nelda: Don't know for sure to which Hessen list he belonged.. I think there are 3 of them..Doris. -----Original Message----- From: Nelda Percival <[email protected]> To: amrev-hessians <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:30 am Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Look-Up Help oris, Do you mean the AMREV-HESSIAN Mailing list or the Surname - HESSEN-HESSAN ailing list archives? N. elda L. Percival ttp://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com ttp://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - ttp://AIM-2.blogspot.com > To: [email protected] From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:27:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Look-Up Help Mary,if you go to the Hessen rootsweb list and look in their archives,there s a gent.doing research with the Thon ect.spelling ,with that name. He is located in Germany nd he looked for some of his relatives over here,if not in the US + Canada..forgot. Good uck,Doris. LEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~ OUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~ ttp://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~ DMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message
Hi, I'm sorry but I don't understand what you rant is about on this list. Where and When did any one discuss YOUR COMMENTS" this black dutch, melungeon & r-neg blood,crap," on this list? I've been here almost ten years and its never been discussed on this list.. period. Admin you need to moderate this person... so we don't have to read rantings! Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > From: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:23:05 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] hessians > > After reading all this black dutch, melungeon & r-neg blood,crap, please > let me orate. > My Grandfather born 1883 told me, we were forced hessians & black dutch. > In other words, I am a dutch descendant via of a Portugese soldier. I'm "O" > blood & not indian or anything else but german/dutch. > And proud of it. The name is MESSER. Get a life. > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Doris, Do you mean the AMREV-HESSIAN Mailing list or the Surname - HESSEN-HESSAN mailing list archives? N. Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:27:19 -0500 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Look-Up Help > > > Mary,if you go to the Hessen rootsweb list and look in their archives,there is a gent.doing research > with the Thon ect.spelling ,with that name. He is located in Germany and he looked for some > of his relatives over here,if not in the US + Canada..forgot. Good luck,Doris.
Mary,if you go to the Hessen rootsweb list and look in their archives,there is a gent.doing research with the Thon ect.spelling ,with that name. He is located in Germany and he looked for some of his relatives over here,if not in the US + Canada..forgot. Good luck,Doris. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Hicks <[email protected]> To: amrev-hessians <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Dec 17, 2011 2:50 pm Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Look-Up Help (1) Brunswick troops in North America, 1776-1783 : index of all soldiers who emained in North America by Claus Reuter (2) Brunswick Deserter-Immigrants of the American Revolution, by Clifford Neal mith (3) Emigrants from Saxony by Clifford Neal Smith If any of you on the mailing list have ready access to any of these books, I ould greatly appreciate your help in looking up my 4th great grandfather. Name: John Friedrich Tone/Tohn - He signed his surname as Tone and Tohn, but he German records may show some variation in the surname such as Thon, Thoene, tc. My best guess would be Johann Friedrich Tohn. Born: Records suggest about 1750-52, but possibly a little later, in Saxony, ermany Served: Evidence suggests he served in Gen. Riedesel's Regiment under either ol. Friedrich Baum's in the dismounted regiment of dragoons, or under Lt. Col. einrich Breyman in the battalion of grenadiers. Deserted: Deserted after Battle of Bennington or taken prisoner and then eserted. Lived in: Voluntown, CT with family of James Gordon (along with another essian John Andrew Hensey/Andreas Hensee-who served under Lt. Col. Baum) from hortly after Battle of Bennington until enlistment in Connecticut Line. An ffidavit refers to John F. Tone as an "associate" of John Andrew Hensey which uggests they may have possibly either deserted together or were hired together y James Gordon. Served: Enlistment in Connecticut Line, Col. Samuel B. Webb's 3rd Regiment, in anuary 1781. Served until October 1783 when discharged by Gen. Knox at West oint. Also Served: 9 months during War of 1812; discharged for health reasons Lived in: East Plainfield, Sullivan, NH from prior to 1790 until death in 830. I will greatly appreciate any help you can give me in finding additional nformation that traces John's German roots. After working off and on for about year, I am just now ready to try to delve into the German side of his life. Mary LEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~ OUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~ ttp://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~ DMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message
After reading all this black dutch, melungeon & r-neg blood,crap, please let me orate. My Grandfather born 1883 told me, we were forced hessians & black dutch. In other words, I am a dutch descendant via of a Portugese soldier. I'm "O" blood & not indian or anything else but german/dutch. And proud of it. The name is MESSER. Get a life.
Dear Larry, I do not have any information about Johann Baer, and unfortunately I am not all that knowledgeable about the Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiments. I have only dug up what I could find in regards to researching my specific ancestor, and I don't have a good general understanding of their movements in America. But I wish I did! I've found there is not as much information available on these regiments as on some of the other Hessian regiments and wish you good luck! Marie Rasnick Fetzer Descendant of Private Johann Jacob Rierschneck Ansbach Regiment 1777-1783 Muskeeteer http://www.rasnickfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: Susan King Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:23 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Baer <My gggg grandfather was most likely Johann Christoph Waggoner, chaplain for the Ansbach Regiment. He was a POW at the barracks in Frederick, Maryland. Marie Rasnich Fetzer, on this list, is perhaps the most well-versed person to consult on the Ansbach-Bayreuthers.>
Mary, Germanic soldiers known as Hessians did not hire out to farmers. The prison system couldn't afford to keep and feed them so Citizens payed the government to have them released to that individual and the POW worked for the family. The basic reason was jail space and cost of keeping them. The secondary benefit to the new Government was, most if not all who were farmed out converted or stayed in the new country. and no longer fought for England. nelda Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:47:02 -0800 > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Look-Up Help > > > > (1) Brunswick troops in North America, 1776-1783 : index of all soldiers who remained in North America by Claus Reuter > > (2) Brunswick Deserter-Immigrants of the American Revolution, by Clifford Neal Smith > > (3) Emigrants from Saxony by Clifford Neal Smith > > > > If any of you on the mailing list have ready access to any of these books, I would greatly appreciate your help in looking up my 4th great grandfather. > > > > Name: John Friedrich Tone/Tohn - He signed his surname as Tone and Tohn, but the German records may show some variation in the surname such as Thon, Thoene, etc. My best guess would be Johann Friedrich Tohn. > > > > Born: Records suggest about 1750-52, but possibly a little later, in Saxony, Germany > > > > Served: Evidence suggests he served in Gen. Riedesel's Regiment under either Col. Friedrich Baum's in the dismounted regiment of dragoons, or under Lt. Col. Heinrich Breyman in the battalion of grenadiers. > > > > Deserted: Deserted after Battle of Bennington or taken prisoner and then deserted. > > > > Lived in: Voluntown, CT with family of James Gordon (along with another Hessian John Andrew Hensey/Andreas Hensee-who served under Lt. Col. Baum) from shortly after Battle of Bennington until enlistment in Connecticut Line. An affidavit refers to John F. Tone as an "associate" of John Andrew Hensey which suggests they may have possibly either deserted together or were hired together by James Gordon. > > > > Served: Enlistment in Connecticut Line, Col. Samuel B. Webb's 3rd Regiment, in January 1781. Served until October 1783 when discharged by Gen. Knox at West Point. > > > > Also > > Served: 9 months during War of 1812; discharged for health reasons > > > > Lived in: East Plainfield, Sullivan, NH from prior to 1790 until death in 1830. > > > > I will greatly appreciate any help you can give me in finding additional information that traces John's German roots. After working off and on for about a year, I am just now ready to try to delve into the German side of his life. > > > > Mary > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
(1) Brunswick troops in North America, 1776-1783 : index of all soldiers who remained in North America by Claus Reuter (2) Brunswick Deserter-Immigrants of the American Revolution, by Clifford Neal Smith (3) Emigrants from Saxony by Clifford Neal Smith If any of you on the mailing list have ready access to any of these books, I would greatly appreciate your help in looking up my 4th great grandfather. Name: John Friedrich Tone/Tohn - He signed his surname as Tone and Tohn, but the German records may show some variation in the surname such as Thon, Thoene, etc. My best guess would be Johann Friedrich Tohn. Born: Records suggest about 1750-52, but possibly a little later, in Saxony, Germany Served: Evidence suggests he served in Gen. Riedesel's Regiment under either Col. Friedrich Baum's in the dismounted regiment of dragoons, or under Lt. Col. Heinrich Breyman in the battalion of grenadiers. Deserted: Deserted after Battle of Bennington or taken prisoner and then deserted. Lived in: Voluntown, CT with family of James Gordon (along with another Hessian John Andrew Hensey/Andreas Hensee-who served under Lt. Col. Baum) from shortly after Battle of Bennington until enlistment in Connecticut Line. An affidavit refers to John F. Tone as an "associate" of John Andrew Hensey which suggests they may have possibly either deserted together or were hired together by James Gordon. Served: Enlistment in Connecticut Line, Col. Samuel B. Webb's 3rd Regiment, in January 1781. Served until October 1783 when discharged by Gen. Knox at West Point. Also Served: 9 months during War of 1812; discharged for health reasons Lived in: East Plainfield, Sullivan, NH from prior to 1790 until death in 1830. I will greatly appreciate any help you can give me in finding additional information that traces John's German roots. After working off and on for about a year, I am just now ready to try to delve into the German side of his life. Mary
Larry, First, HETRINA is not on the internet, but if the Johann Baer you're interested in is from the Ansbach-Bayreuth Regiment(s), he would not be listed in HETRINA anyway, as HETRINA doesn't list the men from that combined Regiment. I find two Johann(es) Baers in John Merz's "Guide." -Baer, Johann, A-B, S#19, 33, D22/8/1782 w/ Armand's Corps. -Baer, Johannes, HHE, S#100, 17, SH-11/1782 (John Behr) Also listed: -Bayer, Johann, B-?, S#18, POW - location unknown Source #19 is "Mercenaries from Ansbach & Bayreuth" by Clifford Neil Smith Source #100 is HETRINA Vol. VI - 2 volumes - Hanauische Regimenter Source #18 is "Brunswick Deserters - Immigrant of the Amer. Rev." by Clifford Neil Smith There are two Private Bayers, who appear to be separate individuals, listed in Conrad Dohla's "A Hessian Diary of the American Revolution:" -p 112 "A Private [Mathias] Elias, of Eyb Company had to run a two hundred man gauntlet eight times because he had loudly complained about the English pay, and a Private Bayer, also of Eyb's Company ran four times." P 201 "19 Feb. 1782 - Private Bayer, of Quesnoy's Company, died in the poorhouse." My gggg grandfather was most likely Johann Christoph Waggoner, chaplain for the Ansbach Regiment. He was a POW at the barracks in Frederick, Maryland. Marie Rasnich Fetzer, on this list, is perhaps the most well-versed person to consult on the Ansbach-Bayreuthers. Merry Christmas and hope this helps! Susan
the Baer name shows in HETRINA volume 6, variations of the spelling in vols 1 and 2; I did not ck the other vols; all are available thru Family Search Centers, on microfilm; go to www.familysearch.com, click on catalog you can order on line, read at the family history center nearest your home-- -----Original Message----- From: Larry Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly referedto as"Georges?" I know this is off the subject a little so please excuse me because I'm new to this. I have been researching the Baer surname. I found a Johan Baer that I am interested in the list of Hessians who stayed after the war- he is listed as from Bayreuth and deserted in 1782. Is the HETRINA on the internet somewhere? Thanks, Larry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]com] On Behalf Of Gary Welbaum Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as"Georges?" HETRINA , volumes 1, 2 and 6 have dozens of entries for the surname George, I did not check the other volumes. -----Original Message----- From: Susan King Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as"Georges?" Ellen, The only man with the surname "George" listed in John Merz's "Guide" is: Georg, Johannes, 2. Co., 1750/51 Holzhausen, D2-5/1783 This entry is listed in the "Deserters as registered by the Hessische Archives Marburg in HETRINA IV of the Hesse-Kassel Field-Jaeger Corps" section of his Guide. The notation "D2" means he deserted from his unit in 1783. Hope this helps! Susan PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Nelda, Thank you for all you help. I may have been a little unclear about the surname. I meant he supposedly changed it to "George" not that he did not have one if you thought I meant he did not have a surname originally. Ellen Ellen McDonald Secretary Associate University of Michigan Program in the Environment Phone (734)763-5065 Fax (734)647-7892 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nelda Percival Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as"Georges?" Ellen, I of course don't know your experience in genealogy, but family stories normally have some bases of truth, although that truth can be stretched all out of kilter. What you need to do if you are not an experienced researcher is restart your search with your self. Get all the documents, birth certificates, marriage licenses, wills, probate records, ect. You say.. Why? because it helps prove or correct minor things that may be the cause of the family story. I have friends in England I'll see if I can get any information on the "Georges" story. Most of the old timers here have been studying the Hessians for years... some almost as much as our founder John Merz. 20 - 30 years. If it is true I find it very funny that John had never mentioned any comments about it. What I can't understand is the comment you made about your thiought to be Hessian taking the surname George. The Germanic peoples had been using surnames for probably at least a few hundred years by then. In tracing my line the Bonnstein surname is recorded in church parishes back as far as 1640.. So there would have been no need to change his last name to George, but George spelled that way maybe the anglicized version. Although, g.welbaum in his comment stated he found the surname George, in three of the six volumes of the HETRINA, which indicates that George was already a Germanic surname. HETRINA - Is six volumes of gathered information transcribed in to these volumes. It is published by the Hessian State Archive at Marburg of about 15,000 soldiers in German regiments sent to fight in the American Revolution from 1776-1784 It is written in both German and English. Please note that the HETRINA lists each name as many times as that soldier was recorded in military records which in some units was quite frequent (e.g., annually) Auerbach, Franz, Frohlich. Listed are the person's number, surname, given name, birth year, place of origin, town & state, rank, unit, type of record. Volume I: Covers the four Hessen-Kessel grenadier battalions formed from various grenadier companies in Zierenberg near the end of January 1776. They embarked in April 1776 in Bremerlehe. Some arrived in America on July 25, 1776 but the majority were in America by Mid-August of that year. These battalions formed a brigade under the command of Colonel von Donop and another battalion was organized in Wolhagen in mid-February 1776 and embarked in Ritzenbuttel in June, arrived in New York at the end of October 1776. Volume II: For those interested, the six regiments covered in HETRINA II are: Prinz Carl v. Ditfurth v. Donop [1784 became v. Knyphausen] v. Loßberg [1780 became Alt v. Loßberg; sometimes called "Lossberg Senior"] v. Mirbach [1780 became Jung v. Loßberg, sometimes called "Lossberg Junior"] v. Trümbach [1778 became v. Bose] The above were all infantry regiments comprising five companies of approximately 125 men each. HETRINA II contains 12,311 entries covering these six regiments. I opine that these regiments have complete range of records, begining muster, ending muster and all monthly reports. Volume III Covers the following regiments: Princes Own Infantry; Landgraf; Prince-Successor; von Knyphausen; Rall; and von Wissenbach Garrison. Volume IV: Volume 4 covers the following: von Buenau Garrison Regiment; von Stein Garrison Regiment; Courier Corps; and Artillery Corps. Volume V: Volume 5 covers: Third Englis-Waldeck Mercenary Regiment. Volume VI: Covers the following: Hesse-Hanau Regiment of the Crown Prince; Artillery Corps; Hesse-Hanau Fusilier Corps (Chasseurs); and Hesse-Hanau Free Corps.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is all at our AMREV-HESSIAN MAILING LIST'S WEBSITE: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ and here for info on HETRINA: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/r-c/hetrina.htm Check out the website it can help... N. Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:16:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as"Georges?" > > HETRINA , volumes 1, 2 and 6 have dozens of entries for the surname George, > I did not check the other volumes. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan King > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to > as"Georges?" > > Ellen, > > > > The only man with the surname "George" listed in John Merz's "Guide" is: > > > > Georg, Johannes, 2. Co., 1750/51 Holzhausen, D2-5/1783 > > > > This entry is listed in the "Deserters as registered by the Hessische > Archives Marburg in HETRINA IV of the Hesse-Kassel Field-Jaeger Corps" > section of his Guide. The notation "D2" means he deserted from his unit in > 1783. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Susan > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I know this is off the subject a little so please excuse me because I'm new to this. I have been researching the Baer surname. I found a Johan Baer that I am interested in the list of Hessians who stayed after the war- he is listed as from Bayreuth and deserted in 1782. Is the HETRINA on the internet somewhere? Thanks, Larry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gary Welbaum Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as"Georges?" HETRINA , volumes 1, 2 and 6 have dozens of entries for the surname George, I did not check the other volumes. -----Original Message----- From: Susan King Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as"Georges?" Ellen, The only man with the surname "George" listed in John Merz's "Guide" is: Georg, Johannes, 2. Co., 1750/51 Holzhausen, D2-5/1783 This entry is listed in the "Deserters as registered by the Hessische Archives Marburg in HETRINA IV of the Hesse-Kassel Field-Jaeger Corps" section of his Guide. The notation "D2" means he deserted from his unit in 1783. Hope this helps! Susan PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
George, I was interested in your remarks on English vs. German here. I know this is vague, but I have an ancestor name William Tice who was in the Rev. War in upper Vt. Record of service is in Barnet, Vt. I don't know where to turn to prove anything at all about him. Any ideas? THanks, Amelia ________________________________ From: George McCallum <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as "Georges"? Nelda, on 15 Dec 2011 at 17:45, you sent the following: > Ellen, > First The Germanic soldiers were from standing armies .. so > they had their own officers and equipment to include weapons > and uniforms. I have never heard of them having buttons that > had King George's engraved head on them, nor that they were > ever referred to as Georges. <snip /> > Have you looked into the idea that your ancestor actually > might have been English? As further support for your idea that the soldier in question might have been English, it was only 30 years earlier that the citizens of Newcastle- upon-Tyne broke with the rest of their fellow Northumberlanders and declared allegiance to the Hanoverian kings (George II, et al.) in opposition to Bonnie Prince Charlie during the time of the Uprising. For this, they were subsequently referred to as "Geordies". George McCallum PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you all for your help! My father grew up in Lilly PA. It is very near Altoona and Johnstown and supposedly where many Hessians settled so there may be some basis for his and my grandmother's statements. I will research it further. Thank you again! Ellen McDonald
George McCallum / Ellen Hi George, NOTE HERE GEORGE III was king during the Rev. war 1775 - 1783 we declared Independance July 4th 1776, but had been fighting here and there in 1775. George,Are you then saying that there is a possibility that some English soldiers could have had buttons of this type due to George II being of Hanoverian descent. (which makes him part Germanic?!) >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia George II (George Augustus; German: Georg II. August; 30 October / 9 November 1683O.S./N.S. – 25 October 1760) was King of Great Britain and Ireland, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg (Hanover) and Archtreasurer and Prince-elector of the Holy Roman Empire from 11 June 1727 (O.S.) until his death. George was the last British monarch born outside Great Britain. He was born and brought up in Northern Germany. In 1701, his grandmother, Sophia of Hanover, became second-in-line to the British throne after about fifty Catholics higher in line were excluded by the Act of Settlement, which restricted the succession to Protestants. After the deaths of Sophia and Anne, Queen of Great Britain, in 1714, his father George I, Elector of Hanover, inherited the British throne. In the first years of his father's reign as king, George was associated with opposition politicians, until they re-joined the governing party in 1720. As king from 1727, George exercised little control over British domestic policy, which was largely controlled by Great Britain's parliament. As elector, he spent 12 summers in Hanover, where he had more direct control over government policy. He had a difficult relationship with his eldest son, Frederick, who supported the parliamentary opposition. During the War of the Austrian Succession, George participated at the Battle of Dettingen in 1743, and thus became the last British monarch to lead an army in battle. In 1745, supporters of the Catholic claimant to the British throne, James Francis Edward Stuart, attempted and failed to depose George in the last of the Jacobite rebellions. Frederick died unexpectedly in 1751, leaving George's grandson, George III, as heir apparent and ultimately king. For two centuries after his death, history tended to view George II with disdain, concentrating on his mistresses, short-temper, and boorishness. Since then, some scholars have re-assessed his legacy and conclude that he held and exercised influence in foreign policy and military appointments. George II early life: George was born in the city of Hanover in Germany, and was the son of George Louis, Hereditary Prince of Brunswick-Lüneburg (later King George I of Great Britain), and his wife, Sophia Dorothea of Celle. Both of George's parents committed adultery, and in 1694 their marriage was dissolved on the pretext that Sophia had abandoned her husband.[3] She was confined to Ahlden House and denied access to her two children, George and his sister Sophia Dorothea of Hanover, whom she probably never saw again.[4] Until the age of four, George spoke only French, the language of diplomacy and the court, but he was thereafter taught German by one of his tutors, Johann Hilmar Holstein.[5] He was also schooled in English and Italian, and studied genealogy, military history and battle tactics with particular diligence.[6] George's second cousin once removed, Queen Anne, ascended the thrones of England, Scotland and Ireland in 1702. She had no surviving children, and by the Act of Settlement 1701 the English Parliament designated Anne's closest Protestant blood relations, George's grandmother Sophia and her descendants, as Anne's heirs in England and Ireland. Consequently, after his grandmother and father, George was third in line to succeed Anne in two of her realms. He was naturalized as an English subject in 1705 by the Sophia Naturalization Act, and in 1706 he was made a Knight of the Garter and created Duke and Marquess of Cambridge, Earl of Milford Haven, Viscount Northallerton and Baron Tewkesbury in the Peerage of England.[7] England and Scotland united in 1707 to form the Kingdom of Great Britain, and jointly accepted the succession as laid down by the Act of Settlement.[8] So due to deaths George III grandson of George II inherited the kingdom of England. now look at who was in control in the different parts of the Germanic principalities/city states .. Interesting.. you can find more by googling King George I, II, III of England... nelda Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs:http://why-AIM.com - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:28:11 +0000 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Were Hessian soldiers commonly refered to as "Georges"? > > Nelda, on 15 Dec 2011 at 17:45, you sent the following: > > > Ellen, > > First The Germanic soldiers were from standing armies .. so > > they had their own officers and equipment to include weapons > > and uniforms. I have never heard of them having buttons that > > had King George's engraved head on them, nor that they were > > ever referred to as Georges. > <snip /> > > Have you looked into the idea that your ancestor actually > > might have been English? > > As further support for your idea that the soldier > in question might have been English, it was only > 30 years earlier that the citizens of Newcastle- > upon-Tyne broke with the rest of their fellow > Northumberlanders and declared allegiance to the > Hanoverian kings (George II, et al.) in opposition > to Bonnie Prince Charlie during the time of the > Uprising. > > For this, they were subsequently referred to as > "Geordies". > > George McCallum > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message