A message from John Merz FROM THE GUIDE "SOURCES" The information collected for this publication has been found in various sources, such as books, historical works, dissertations, and other documentations, and is listed herein in numerical order as the information has been received. In other words, the S#1 (Source #1) was the first source studied by this researcher, followed by #2, and so on. When studying the "One-Line-Name" entries or personal data files of particular soldiers, sources are quoted as they have been found. Most of the material quoted can be obtained for closer study from your local Public Library or through Inter-Library loan. Most research centres do have significant holdings of source material of their own. One more clarification: If it says $18, 192, 400, that means it refers to S#18, S#192, S#400. With one-line listings, every type space counts. Hope this will answer some of your questions. Yours John Helmut Merz at the bottom of the webpages dealing with John's research you'll find The S# numbers are explained on these pages Resources So then you click on the link: and it takes you to.... http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/r-c/resources.htm but 400 is on the next page: 400 John Helmut Merz e-mail address -"removed" Information obtained by e-mail from a variety of private sources. NOTE from me that could mean an email in the list archives or an email directly to him. Nelda Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/
Shamokin Dam is just across the Susquehanna river from Sunbury which is where the Northumberland county Historical Society library is located. Perhaps someone there could help you -----Original Message----- From: connie <[email protected]> To: amrev-hessians <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hartmann I have a John Hartman b 1754 no place listed and death is in Shamokin Dam, PA 1833 married twice , Jacobine , their son Henry 1795 and to an Elizabeth Dusing after that. Not sure if he is a Hessian... Connie -----Original Message----- Hartmann's listed in John Merz's "Guide:" PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have a John Hartman b 1754 no place listed and death is in Shamokin Dam, PA 1833 married twice , Jacobine , their son Henry 1795 and to an Elizabeth Dusing after that. Not sure if he is a Hessian... Connie -----Original Message----- Hartmann's listed in John Merz's "Guide:"
Absolutely Mary, But since the man being looked for was considered a Hessian by the colonists referring to him by his correct terminology, could confuse the person asking the questions since they know nothing about either. That was all I was trying to point out. You did an excellent job of pointing the person in the right direction. They should try there first. nelda Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:02:20 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hessian Soldiers - Hartmann > > Nelda, > Yes, it appears that all German soldiers were described as "Hessians" by the > colonists whether they came from Hesse or not. I worded my response as I > did since Claus Reuter's book, to which I made reference, pertained only to > Brunswick troops. > > I don't remember which book I read where the author pointed out that > although the colonists referred to all the German soldiers as "Hessians", > the soldiers themselves would have referred to themselves and thought of > themselves by whereever they came from: i.e., those from Brunswick would > have thought of themselves as Brunswickers not Hessians; those from Waldeck > would have thought of themselves as Waldeckers, etc. > > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:08 AM > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hessian Soldiers - Hartmann > > > > > > Mary, > > It is my understanding, all Germanic soldiers were considered Hessians by > > the colonists. It did not matter where they came from or what unit they > > were part of. > > > > None of them were actually Hessians. That was a term applied by the > > colonists and only two principalities have Hesse in their names. > > here Is the list: > > In early 1776, King > > George III of England hired units from the various houses or states of > > Germanic area of Europe, to assist with bringing the the colonist's > > rebellion to order. The > > hiring of foreign troops to supplement a country's army was a normal > > procedure > > during this time of history. Several of the German rulers, needing hard > > currency > > and being "between wars", were only too happy to oblige. > > > > They were > > Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (a principality in northern > > Hesse) > > King George III's brother in law, his son William, count of > > Hesse-Hanau and nephew to King George III; Charles I, Duke of > > Brunswick; > > Frederick, Prince of Waldeck; Charles Alexander, Margrave of > > Anspach-Bayreuth; and Frederick Augustus, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst. > > > > > > 1. Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (a principality in > > northern Hesse) > > > > 2.William, count of > > Hesse-Hanau and nephew to King George III; > > 3. Charles I, Duke of Brunswick; > > 4. Frederick, Prince of Waldeck; > > 5. Charles Alexander, Margrave of > > Anspach-Bayreuth; > > 6. Frederick Augustus, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst. > > > > nelda > > > > > > > > > > Nelda L. Percival > > > > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > > > > Blogs -- http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com > > - http://why-aim.blogspot.com > > > > http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com > > - > > http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > > > > http://castleofcoupons.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:44:58 -0800 > >> Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hessian Soldiers - Hartmann > >> > >> Harold, > >> In case your ancestor turns out to be a soldier from Brunswick rather > >> than a > >> Hessian soldier, there are 11 Hartmanns shown in "Brunswick Troops in > >> North > >> America 1776-1783 Index of All Soldiers Who Remained in North America" by > >> Claus Reuter. > >> > >> Does your family tradition include any information other than that your > >> ancestor was a Hessian soldier - such as was he a deserter, a POW, > >> enlisted > >> in the Continental Army - which could give you a potential clue as to how > >> to > >> proceed? > >> > >> Mary > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:29 PM > >> Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hessian Soldiers > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> >> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:19:24 -0600 > >> >> Subject: Hessian Soldiers > >> >> From: [email protected] > >> >> To: [email protected] > >> >> > >> >> Hi Nelda: > >> >> I don't know if you are still working on the Hessian Soldier research. > >> >> I > >> >> will give you an idea of my problem. > >> >> For years family tradition says that our first Hartman was a Hessian > >> >> soldier > >> >> that stayed and reared a family in Pennsylvania. > >> >> This could be the case but the earliest family member that we can > >> >> document > >> >> was born in Pennsylvania after the war. After doing genealogy for > >> >> years, > >> >> I > >> >> know that you are to go from the known to the unknown but at this time > >> >> I > >> >> don't know how to proceed. I do know that the family were in York > >> >> County, > >> >> Pa. - lived and are buried there. > >> >> Jacob Hartman 19 Jan. 1789-12 Feb 1858 - York County, Pa. > >> >> POSSIBLY - father: Andrew Hartman 1763-1828 York/Adams Co, Pa. > >> >> Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks. Dorcas Beaver - Waco, Tx. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > >> > ~~~~~~~~~ > >> > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > >> ~~~~~~~~~ > >> FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > FOUNDER: John H. 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Nelda, Yes, it appears that all German soldiers were described as "Hessians" by the colonists whether they came from Hesse or not. I worded my response as I did since Claus Reuter's book, to which I made reference, pertained only to Brunswick troops. I don't remember which book I read where the author pointed out that although the colonists referred to all the German soldiers as "Hessians", the soldiers themselves would have referred to themselves and thought of themselves by whereever they came from: i.e., those from Brunswick would have thought of themselves as Brunswickers not Hessians; those from Waldeck would have thought of themselves as Waldeckers, etc. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hessian Soldiers - Hartmann > > Mary, > It is my understanding, all Germanic soldiers were considered Hessians by > the colonists. It did not matter where they came from or what unit they > were part of. > > None of them were actually Hessians. That was a term applied by the > colonists and only two principalities have Hesse in their names. > here Is the list: > In early 1776, King > George III of England hired units from the various houses or states of > Germanic area of Europe, to assist with bringing the the colonist's > rebellion to order. The > hiring of foreign troops to supplement a country's army was a normal > procedure > during this time of history. Several of the German rulers, needing hard > currency > and being "between wars", were only too happy to oblige. > > They were > Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (a principality in northern > Hesse) > King George III's brother in law, his son William, count of > Hesse-Hanau and nephew to King George III; Charles I, Duke of > Brunswick; > Frederick, Prince of Waldeck; Charles Alexander, Margrave of > Anspach-Bayreuth; and Frederick Augustus, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst. > > > 1. Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (a principality in > northern Hesse) > > 2.William, count of > Hesse-Hanau and nephew to King George III; > 3. Charles I, Duke of Brunswick; > 4. Frederick, Prince of Waldeck; > 5. Charles Alexander, Margrave of > Anspach-Bayreuth; > 6. Frederick Augustus, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst. > > nelda > > > > > Nelda L. Percival > > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > > Blogs -- http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com > - http://why-aim.blogspot.com > > http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com > - > http://AIM-2.blogspot.com > > http://castleofcoupons.blogspot.com > > > > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:44:58 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hessian Soldiers - Hartmann >> >> Harold, >> In case your ancestor turns out to be a soldier from Brunswick rather >> than a >> Hessian soldier, there are 11 Hartmanns shown in "Brunswick Troops in >> North >> America 1776-1783 Index of All Soldiers Who Remained in North America" by >> Claus Reuter. >> >> Does your family tradition include any information other than that your >> ancestor was a Hessian soldier - such as was he a deserter, a POW, >> enlisted >> in the Continental Army - which could give you a potential clue as to how >> to >> proceed? >> >> Mary >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hessian Soldiers >> >> >> > >> > >> >> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:19:24 -0600 >> >> Subject: Hessian Soldiers >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> >> Hi Nelda: >> >> I don't know if you are still working on the Hessian Soldier research. >> >> I >> >> will give you an idea of my problem. >> >> For years family tradition says that our first Hartman was a Hessian >> >> soldier >> >> that stayed and reared a family in Pennsylvania. >> >> This could be the case but the earliest family member that we can >> >> document >> >> was born in Pennsylvania after the war. After doing genealogy for >> >> years, >> >> I >> >> know that you are to go from the known to the unknown but at this time >> >> I >> >> don't know how to proceed. I do know that the family were in York >> >> County, >> >> Pa. - lived and are buried there. >> >> Jacob Hartman 19 Jan. 1789-12 Feb 1858 - York County, Pa. >> >> POSSIBLY - father: Andrew Hartman 1763-1828 York/Adams Co, Pa. >> >> Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks. Dorcas Beaver - Waco, Tx. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! >> > ~~~~~~~~~ >> > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. 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All of Von Heer's records are on microfilm at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). Microfilm is also available from Family History Centers (search on http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp. to find one near you). Final Pay Receipts are on FHL1616691 and I photographed all of the receipts and Johann Klein (any spelling) was not listed. I was able to find my Peter Brown (Braun) in them (He also joined Von Heer's Dragoons in 1782). I was not able to get a copy of his signature as Clifton Koonz signed for Peter as he was not in Reading, Pennsylvania but Orange County, New York and he was illiterate anyway. btw Peter never got his pay and neither did Baldasar Wilhelm nor Heny Wisner. They all filed lawsuits against Von Heer (FHL film 16166196). I haven't found the resolution to these suits and am still looking. Peter signed the lawsuit with a mark. I photographed much of this information including the rolls for 1778 to 1781 and 1782-1783, which are written in German and very difficult to read. If anyone is interested in seeing these, please contact me with an email address and I will send then to you Lois Johnson lebjohnson @ mac.com On Jan 12, 2012, at 3:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: Message: 5 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:34:46 -0500 From: "Cline, Christopher Thomas" <[email protected]> Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Bounty Warrant Question-Von Heers Dragoons To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]hmlaw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My German soldier, GGG-GF John Cline (AKA Johann Klein) settled in what was then Harrison County VA in the late 1700s near present day Weston (Lewis County). A Hardesty's History volume describes him as a British soldier who served under Cornwallis in the 1776 war. There were three soldiers named Johann Klein in the Ansbach-Bayreuth regiments, which were under Cornwallis at the Yorktown surrender. Johann Klein does not appear to be a common Hessian name otherwise. One of the Johann Klein soldiers deserted prior to the surrender at Yorktown and the other two (one being Johann Veit Klein) were imprisoned, first at Winchester and then at Frederick, MD. Johann Veit Klein eventually joined Armand's Legion. The third soldier stayed in the country also and did not go back to Germany. So all three are plausible candidates to be my ancestor. There is a John Kline (John Klein) who showed up in Von Heer's Dragoons in December, 1782, and this soldier does not list an American state as his own. Von Heers Dragoons were akin to military police who maintained discipline in the Continental Army areas and it would have been reasonable that the first Johann Klein who deserted before the Yorktown surrender was picked up by them. Moreover, Von Heers' Dragoons were largely of German origin (Von Heer was from Bayreuth) and in fact many didn't speak English. German deserters were not unusual and in fact desirable as American soldiers as they had no loyalty to either of the American factions. For that reason also the unit provided security for George Washington. That is the background, here is my question. Bounty Land Warrant #13280 is a bounty warrant for a John Kline who served in Von Heer's Dragoons. The warrant card in fact lists Matthew McConnell as assignee from John Klein, late a soldier in Von Heers Troop. However, there is no signature of John Klein. Does anyone have any experience with this sort of situation in these records? Based upon the way these records were handled, it would appear that John Klein would have had to sign some other paper in order to validate Matthew McConnell as his assignee. Would there be some other record of this bounty warrant with an actual signature by this John Klein? Finding a signature of this John Klein could be a critical piece of evidence for me in sorting out the three Johns as I have actual signatures of my Johann Klein in other Virginia records and could do a handwriting match. Thanks for the help-if anyone has any to give! Chris Cline
Mary, It is my understanding, all Germanic soldiers were considered Hessians by the colonists. It did not matter where they came from or what unit they were part of. None of them were actually Hessians. That was a term applied by the colonists and only two principalities have Hesse in their names. here Is the list: In early 1776, King George III of England hired units from the various houses or states of Germanic area of Europe, to assist with bringing the the colonist's rebellion to order. The hiring of foreign troops to supplement a country's army was a normal procedure during this time of history. Several of the German rulers, needing hard currency and being "between wars", were only too happy to oblige. They were Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (a principality in northern Hesse) King George III's brother in law, his son William, count of Hesse-Hanau and nephew to King George III; Charles I, Duke of Brunswick; Frederick, Prince of Waldeck; Charles Alexander, Margrave of Anspach-Bayreuth; and Frederick Augustus, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst. 1. Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (a principality in northern Hesse) 2.William, count of Hesse-Hanau and nephew to King George III; 3. Charles I, Duke of Brunswick; 4. Frederick, Prince of Waldeck; 5. Charles Alexander, Margrave of Anspach-Bayreuth; 6. Frederick Augustus, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst. nelda Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs -- http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com - http://why-aim.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com http://castleofcoupons.blogspot.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:44:58 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hessian Soldiers - Hartmann > > Harold, > In case your ancestor turns out to be a soldier from Brunswick rather than a > Hessian soldier, there are 11 Hartmanns shown in "Brunswick Troops in North > America 1776-1783 Index of All Soldiers Who Remained in North America" by > Claus Reuter. > > Does your family tradition include any information other than that your > ancestor was a Hessian soldier - such as was he a deserter, a POW, enlisted > in the Continental Army - which could give you a potential clue as to how to > proceed? > > Mary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:29 PM > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hessian Soldiers > > > > > > > >> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:19:24 -0600 > >> Subject: Hessian Soldiers > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> > >> Hi Nelda: > >> I don't know if you are still working on the Hessian Soldier research. I > >> will give you an idea of my problem. > >> For years family tradition says that our first Hartman was a Hessian > >> soldier > >> that stayed and reared a family in Pennsylvania. > >> This could be the case but the earliest family member that we can > >> document > >> was born in Pennsylvania after the war. After doing genealogy for years, > >> I > >> know that you are to go from the known to the unknown but at this time I > >> don't know how to proceed. I do know that the family were in York > >> County, > >> Pa. - lived and are buried there. > >> Jacob Hartman 19 Jan. 1789-12 Feb 1858 - York County, Pa. > >> POSSIBLY - father: Andrew Hartman 1763-1828 York/Adams Co, Pa. > >> Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks. Dorcas Beaver - Waco, Tx. > >> > >> > >> > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My German soldier, GGG-GF John Cline (AKA Johann Klein) settled in what was then Harrison County VA in the late 1700s near present day Weston (Lewis County). A Hardesty's History volume describes him as a British soldier who served under Cornwallis in the 1776 war. There were three soldiers named Johann Klein in the Ansbach-Bayreuth regiments, which were under Cornwallis at the Yorktown surrender. Johann Klein does not appear to be a common Hessian name otherwise. One of the Johann Klein soldiers deserted prior to the surrender at Yorktown and the other two (one being Johann Veit Klein) were imprisoned, first at Winchester and then at Frederick, MD. Johann Veit Klein eventually joined Armand's Legion. The third soldier stayed in the country also and did not go back to Germany. So all three are plausible candidates to be my ancestor. There is a John Kline (John Klein) who showed up in Von Heer's Dragoons in December, 1782, and this soldier does not list an American state as his own. Von Heers Dragoons were akin to military police who maintained discipline in the Continental Army areas and it would have been reasonable that the first Johann Klein who deserted before the Yorktown surrender was picked up by them. Moreover, Von Heers' Dragoons were largely of German origin (Von Heer was from Bayreuth) and in fact many didn't speak English. German deserters were not unusual and in fact desirable as American soldiers as they had no loyalty to either of the American factions. For that reason also the unit provided security for George Washington. That is the background, here is my question. Bounty Land Warrant #13280 is a bounty warrant for a John Kline who served in Von Heer's Dragoons. The warrant card in fact lists Matthew McConnell as assignee from John Klein, late a soldier in Von Heers Troop. However, there is no signature of John Klein. Does anyone have any experience with this sort of situation in these records? Based upon the way these records were handled, it would appear that John Klein would have had to sign some other paper in order to validate Matthew McConnell as his assignee. Would there be some other record of this bounty warrant with an actual signature by this John Klein? Finding a signature of this John Klein could be a critical piece of evidence for me in sorting out the three Johns as I have actual signatures of my Johann Klein in other Virginia records and could do a handwriting match. Thanks for the help-if anyone has any to give! Chris Cline
S#400 refers to Source No. 400. His guide indicates that it refers back to various emails he received, nothing specific mentioned. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Susan King Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Nikolaus Fenner Nancy, John Merz's "Guide" - K-7 - Kassel Fuselier Regt. von Knyphausen, in HETRINA III, POW 9/1779-5/1783, S# 400 I'm not sure what S#400 is.anybody know? Hope this helps. Susan PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Harold, In case your ancestor turns out to be a soldier from Brunswick rather than a Hessian soldier, there are 11 Hartmanns shown in "Brunswick Troops in North America 1776-1783 Index of All Soldiers Who Remained in North America" by Claus Reuter. Does your family tradition include any information other than that your ancestor was a Hessian soldier - such as was he a deserter, a POW, enlisted in the Continental Army - which could give you a potential clue as to how to proceed? Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Hessian Soldiers > > >> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:19:24 -0600 >> Subject: Hessian Soldiers >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> Hi Nelda: >> I don't know if you are still working on the Hessian Soldier research. I >> will give you an idea of my problem. >> For years family tradition says that our first Hartman was a Hessian >> soldier >> that stayed and reared a family in Pennsylvania. >> This could be the case but the earliest family member that we can >> document >> was born in Pennsylvania after the war. After doing genealogy for years, >> I >> know that you are to go from the known to the unknown but at this time I >> don't know how to proceed. I do know that the family were in York >> County, >> Pa. - lived and are buried there. >> Jacob Hartman 19 Jan. 1789-12 Feb 1858 - York County, Pa. >> POSSIBLY - father: Andrew Hartman 1763-1828 York/Adams Co, Pa. >> Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks. Dorcas Beaver - Waco, Tx. >> >> >> > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Harold, Hartmann's listed in John Merz's "Guide:" -Anton -August -Carl -Conrad -Conrad -Daniel -Friedrich -Friedrich -Heinrich -Heinrich -Johann -Peter Too much for me to type out on each of them.contact me off-list and I'll provide further info. Susan
Nancy, John Merz's "Guide" - K-7 - Kassel Fuselier Regt. von Knyphausen, in HETRINA III, POW 9/1779-5/1783, S# 400 I'm not sure what S#400 is.anybody know? Hope this helps. Susan
> Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:19:24 -0600 > Subject: Hessian Soldiers > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Hi Nelda: > I don't know if you are still working on the Hessian Soldier research. I > will give you an idea of my problem. > For years family tradition says that our first Hartman was a Hessian soldier > that stayed and reared a family in Pennsylvania. > This could be the case but the earliest family member that we can document > was born in Pennsylvania after the war. After doing genealogy for years, I > know that you are to go from the known to the unknown but at this time I > don't know how to proceed. I do know that the family were in York County, > Pa. - lived and are buried there. > Jacob Hartman 19 Jan. 1789-12 Feb 1858 - York County, Pa. > POSSIBLY - father: Andrew Hartman 1763-1828 York/Adams Co, Pa. > Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks. Dorcas Beaver - Waco, Tx. > > >
Nancy , I only do the website you need to join the mailing list to communicate with others researching Hessians. NeldaIf anyone can help her?? contact her directly Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs -- http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com - http://why-aim.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com http://castleofcoupons.blogspot.com Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:22:44 -0600 Subject: Hessian POWs at Mount Hope in New Jersey From: [email protected] To: [email protected] I found your list on line and it contains a relative - Nikolas Fenner - do you have any info about what happened to these people after the war, i know he stayed in the area, but I can't find much else on him besides his marriage.
Helen, Nothing listed for either of those names. Ed R.
Hi Erica, I don't research Ziegler, but someone on the Hessian mailing list does you need to join them...Can someone on the list help her? answer at her addy: [email protected] Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs -- http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com - http://why-aim.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com http://castleofcoupons.blogspot.com From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: johann ziegler Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:28:20 -0800 Hi Nelda, I saw a post of yours on the rootsweb site concerning the hessian soldier Johannes Ziegler. Though our information differs and your message was posted in 2005 I wanted to get in touch. Johann Franz Ziegler is my husband's great (x5) grandfather. He was born in 1734 in Untersterode, Hesse. He sailed to America with the reginment in 1776 as a private with the 5th company. After his release in 1783 he settled in Nova Scotia. He had a son named Albert who sailed over around the same time and served with the Young Royal Highlanders. Albert was married in 1778. Are our Johann[es] the same? I have been unable to find any information regarding his parents/marriage/or other offspring. erica
Hi, try joining the FREE mailing list.... Can anyone help this man? Not a List member write him at his address: [email protected] Nelda Nelda L. Percival http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Blogs -- http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com - http://why-aim.blogspot.com http://hey-you-info.blogspot.com - http://AIM-2.blogspot.com http://castleofcoupons.blogspot.com Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 22:23:01 -0600 Subject: Hessian Soldier Ancestor - Valentine Sala From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Hello, I'm interested in my family's genealogy and was wondering if you have ever came across any documentation on "Valentine Sala". He was a Hessian Soldier who switched sides to fight for the colonist. All I've seen is a muster roster while he was fighting for the Colonist. He died in Lancaster, PA and I would like to know where he lived in Germany so I can find the rest of the family. Let me know if you can help. Greatly appreciated, Joe Sala
Hello, I would also like to request a lookup please. Is there a listing for the surname Bell (or similar), and also for Wurtemberg or Wirtemberg (or similar). With thanks, Helen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of connie Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012 1:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Women of the Auziliaries Hi, Has anyone this CD. I am looking for a Maria, Mary, wife of Wilhelm Schwartz. I believe they married just before he mustered in or during the first year of the war. Their daughter Elizabeth was born in NY state in 1778. Hoping to find her in some list or their marriage listed by one of the Chaplains of the Rev. I can purchase this from Heritage Books but felt I would try here first. CD: They Also Served. Women with the Hessian Auxiliaries Connie PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Ed. I appreciate your time Connie Connie, Maria Schwartz is not listed in "They also Served, Women with the Hessian Auxillaries". Closest spelling name in the list is Maria Schmalz, wife of Johann Georg Friedrich Schmalz, Q uartermaster Sergent in the Ansbach Regiment. She gave birth 18 August, 1778 in NY Ed Rinaca
Connie, Maria Schwartz is not listed in "They also Served, Women with the Hessian Auxillaries". Closest spelling name in the list is Maria Schmalz, wife of Johann Georg Friedrich Schmalz, Q uartermaster Sergent in the Ansbach Regiment. She gave birth 18 August, 1778 in NY Ed Rinaca