Hello everyone! I want to thank you for all of the information that you are so willingly supplying me. You are helping me in my research, and adding destinations for this fall's trip out East. I hope you won't mind if I keep asking questions as new information arises and causes another dead end. I forget how I initially stumbled on your website, but I do thank you for allowing me to be part of your email list. Sincerely, Suzanne

Does anyone have access to the book Die-Ansbach-Bayreuther Truppen 1777-1783andcould do a possible look up for anyone named Fuss or Fuchs that is listed from Lichtenfels? Thanks in advance, Matt ________________________________

There is a record for the POWs who were farmed out... DAR should have a copy of that record..Good luck.. Keep asking questions someone here might have the answers...nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg

Hi Nelda, I have been doing a lot of searching this evening. I did find a Phillip Gloninger as having taken an "Oath of Loyalty" in Lebanon, PA., but did not find anything yet that connects him with Georg. I will keep searching. I have actually been helped by all of the responses to my initial email. I am still as confused as ever, but I do hope to get to the bottom of it. Thank you for your help. I really do appreciate everyone's responses. Sincerely, Suzanne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nelda Percival Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom Suzanne, The part - He is listed as having worked for Philip Gloninger in Lebanon, PA, "but no Lancaster Exchange List numbers are given", is indicative he wasn't exchanged. He could have left the custody of Phillip Gloninger, so he couldn't be exchanged or by then volunteered to stay and join a colinist army group. But not being numbered indicates he was not exchanged. That is how I understand it. Who was Philip Gloninger ... Was he a soldier for the colinists? he needs to be researched too. help document your man. The Americans (Colonists) did not have adequate jails, so some Hessians were farmed out to help farmers . Your man George was farmed out... to Philip Gloninger. need to check the Lutheran church records for Lebanon, PA to see if he left any records there.. Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 20:28:37 -0500 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > Hi Doug, > Would you explain by what is meant that Georg Blumme was not avail for exchange in 1777 & 1778. > I am the one that started this thread on George Bloom, my 4greats grandfather. > Thank you for the information that you have sent. > Sincerely, > Suzanne PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Suzanne, The part - He is listed as having worked for Philip Gloninger in Lebanon, PA, "but no Lancaster Exchange List numbers are given", is indicative he wasn't exchanged. He could have left the custody of Phillip Gloninger, so he couldn't be exchanged or by then volunteered to stay and join a colinist army group. But not being numbered indicates he was not exchanged. That is how I understand it. Who was Philip Gloninger ... Was he a soldier for the colinists? he needs to be researched too. help document your man. The Americans (Colonists) did not have adequate jails, so some Hessians were farmed out to help farmers . Your man George was farmed out... to Philip Gloninger. need to check the Lutheran church records for Lebanon, PA to see if he left any records there.. Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 20:28:37 -0500 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > Hi Doug, > Would you explain by what is meant that Georg Blumme was not avail for exchange in 1777 & 1778. > I am the one that started this thread on George Bloom, my 4greats grandfather. > Thank you for the information that you have sent. > Sincerely, > Suzanne

Hi All: In “Johannes Schwalm the Hessian”, p. 231 begins “A Composite List of Hessian, Waldeck & British Prisoners Located in Lancaster 1777 & 1778”. In that list, File No. 53, Source Code g, is listed Georg Blumme, Artiliary Regiment, no Company listed. He is listed as having worked for Philip Gloninger in Lebanon, PA, but no Lancaster Exchange List numbers are given. This would indicate to me that he wasn’t available for exchange in 1777 & 1778. Doug MacDonald descendant of Nicolaus Henckell

My Brunswicker ancestor has been used as a qualifying patriot to join the DAR, but he joined the Continental Army after the surrender at the Battle of Saratoga. The Daughters of the Revolution (DR), now defunct for some 70 years, and the Sons of the Revolution (SR), still in existence, require that qualified patriots had put their lives at risk for the sake of the Revolution. The Sons of the American Revolution and Daughters of the American Revolution do not have this stipulation. Bill J. Smith descendant of Daniel Engelcke (Angle), Brunswick Army, von Specht Regiment ----- Original Message ----- From: MaryAnne Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom To: [email protected] > A Hessen could be considered a R W patriot if they changed > over from > British and served the Colonists. (Either by oath of allegiance > or deserted > British and joined colonists . > What difference where they originated.?? > I am working on a Hessen turned to Colonists side also > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nelda Percival > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 1:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > > What is the DAR challenging? THe Military service? > > But George Bloom was a colonist? We don't do the American side.. > we research > the Hessians. The Germanic soldiers who stayed here. > You need to find his military records try the national archives. > look for > record of service and or pension application. > > Now I'm confused... Are Hessians being used to join the DAR? > > > nelda > > > > Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects > Gilpin, Cupp, > Bonstein > and Gillock > My Genealogy - > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us > Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > > GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ > Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:07:01 -0500 > > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > > > Hello, > > Both myself and my daughter are members of the DAR under > George Bloom our > > ancestor. > > Recently we received a letter that there is a question as to > the military > > service of George Bloom. The DAR has closed his account which > means that > > my > > four granddaughters will not be able to become members of the > DAR without > > proof of his service. > > I am descended from his daughter Lanie. > > Below I have listed the following: > > 1. Patriot service record that is currently listed with > the DAR > > 2. Proof of his moving to PA after serving in the > Revolutionary War > > and the list of his children and where they moved to. > > 3. Proof of his burial and acknowledgement of his > service in the > > Revolutionary War. > > If anyone can assist me or direct me to the best place for > information to > > verify this and remove the question, I would be very grateful. > > Sincerely, > > Suzanne > > > > This is the DAR listing. > > > > Rank: PRIVATE > > Birth: 1758 PRUSSIA > > Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA > > Service Source: PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 1, PP 672, 938, 939 > > Service Description: 1) CAPTS MATHEW HOLGATE, JOHN LEVERING, > > 2) 2ND BATT, PHILADELPHIA CO MILITIA > > PENNSYLVANIA > > > > The following is from Bradford County Historical Society book: > > Pioneer and Patriot Families of Bradford County, PA; Heaverly: > 1770-1825; > > Volumes I & II > > Page 301-302, Volume I > > > > George Bloom b. 1754 Ahlersbach, Germany, as a young man was > compelled to > > serve in the Hessian Army and brought to America during the > Revolutionary> War. He was captured by Americans and espousing > their cause never > > returned. > > George m. Mary Ater of Maryland. George acquired lot 105 by > assignment > > from > > Daniel DeWitt on 24 Nov 1790. Enumerated in Chemung, > Montgomery (that > > portion that became Tioga and later Chemung) County, New York > in 1790 with > > one male over age sixteen (b. before 1774), one male under age > sixteen (b. > > 1775-90), and five females in the household. They removed in > 1798 to > > Burlington, Bradford County, Pennsylvania where they raised > their children > > and died. They had children: > > George settled in Illinois and became very prosperous; > > Elisha married Bersheba Blakesley and settled in Canton > township. They had > > children: George, John A., Ann (Mrs. Oakley Lewis), Dolly > (Mrs. Charles > > Hoagland), Dameras (Mrs. George Merchant) and Betsy (Mrs. > Isaac Hoagland). > > Joseph married widow Rebecca Braffit (who was left with three > children),> removed to Ohio where he accumulated a handsome property. > > David went to California during the gold excitement, "struck > it rich" and > > afterwards settled at Kankakee, Ill. > > John, the youngest of the family, inherited the homestead. He > married > > Betsy, > > daughter of Martin Stratton; children: Charles F., Olive, > Bursha, Lucinda, > > H. Melissa, Lucy E. and Sarah E. > > Polly married Ezra Rutty, Jr. of North Towanda. > > Lanie married William Ellis and removed to Arcola, Ill. > > Catharine married Amos Abbott of Canton. > > Margaret married Mr. Blakesley of Burlington. > > > > Burial listing: http://www.joycetice.com/cemb/oldburl1.htm > > > > Bloom George 1754 1838 Born in Ahlersbach, Germany > > Revolutionary War > > Mary Ater 1841 Died in Baltimore MD, > > wf of Geogre Bloom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ADMINISTRATOR [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. 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Hi Doug, Would you explain by what is meant that Georg Blumme was not avail for exchange in 1777 & 1778. I am the one that started this thread on George Bloom, my 4greats grandfather. Thank you for the information that you have sent. Sincerely, Suzanne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Douglas MacDonald Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom Hi All: In “Johannes Schwalm the Hessian”, p. 231 begins “A Composite List of Hessian, Waldeck & British Prisoners Located in Lancaster 1777 & 1778”. In that list, File No. 53, Source Code g, is listed Georg Blumme, Artiliary Regiment, no Company listed. He is listed as having worked for Philip Gloninger in Lebanon, PA, but no Lancaster Exchange List numbers are given. This would indicate to me that he wasn’t available for exchange in 1777 & 1778. Doug MacDonald descendant of Nicolaus Henckell PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR<Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Susy, I am sending some information off line from the DAR file along with other information from the internet. I did check the pension files at HeritageQuest online, but found nothing. I hope that someone can help you find proof. Warm Regards, Jane Curci Descendant of Arnold Haupt, Hessian soldier BLOOM, GEORGE Ancestor #: A011443 Notice: FUTURE APPLICANTS MUST PROVE CORRECT SERVICE (WHY?) Birth: 4-19-1754 AHLERSBACH HESSE-HANAU GERMANY Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA Comments (Overview ) 1) THIS MAN SERVED IN THE HESSIAN ARMY. HE WAS CAPTURED BUT ESCAPED IN THE 2) MD/VA AREA IN 1779. HIS CHILD WAS BAPTISED IN FREDERICK CO, MD IN 1782, BUT 3) NO SVC HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR HIM IN THAT AREA. SEE DATACF. 02/2012. Residence 1) County: FREDERICK CO - State: MARYLAND Spouse Number Name 1) MARY ATER http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/15953604/person/427851949?ssrc= George Bloom Birth 19 Apr 1754 in Prussia Death 1838 in Burlington, Bradford, Pennsylvania http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/34124874/person/19265311414/media/1?pgnum=1&pg=0&pgpl=pid%7cpgNum U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 about George Bloom Name: George Bloom Gender: Male Birth Place: Gr Birth Year: 1754 Spouse Name: Mary ??? Spouse Birth Place: of PA Marriage Year: 1778 Number Pages: 18 George Johnn Jorg Blum Bloom Birth: 19 Apr 1754 - Germany Death: 1838 - Burlington, Bradford, Pennsylvania, United States Marriage: 1798 - Baltimore, Baltimore, Maryland, United States Spouse: Mary Molly Ater -----Original Message----- From: suzysmith <[email protected]> To: amrev-hessians <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, May 5, 2012 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom Hello, do appreciate all of the responses. guess I did not completely understand that you only research the Hessians. am sorry for not understanding this. Can you tell me if there was a Johann Jorge Blum or George Bloom that served ith the Hessian Army that fought against the Colonists? aybe it would tell if he deserted them or was captured. I appreciate your help. hank you. uzanne BTW: Bob Fetters, I have Fetters in my family. My Dad's sister married into hat family. I smiled when I saw your name. ----Original Message----- rom: [email protected] mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Fetters ent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:42 PM o: [email protected] ubject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom Both DAR & SAR accept Patriot status for Hessians, if they in some way ualify as a Patriot under the normal rules: military service, paying a upply tax, taking an oath of Allegiance to the new country, etc.. By the ay, British soldier deserters do not qualify in the same way. A former ational President of the SAR became a member based upon his Hessian ncestor's military service for America, after he deserted. Bob Fetters ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> o: <[email protected]> ent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:20 PM ubject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom What is the DAR challenging? THe Military service? But George Bloom was a colonist? We don't do the American side.. we research the Hessians. The Germanic soldiers who stayed here. You need to find his military records try the national archives. look for record of service and or pension application. Now I'm confused... Are Hessians being used to join the DAR? nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - ttp://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:07:01 -0500 > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > Hello, > Both myself and my daughter are members of the DAR under George Bloom our > ancestor. > Recently we received a letter that there is a question as to the military > service of George Bloom. The DAR has closed his account which means that > my > four granddaughters will not be able to become members of the DAR without > proof of his service. > I am descended from his daughter Lanie. > Below I have listed the following: > 1. Patriot service record that is currently listed with the DAR > 2. Proof of his moving to PA after serving in the Revolutionary War > and the list of his children and where they moved to. > 3. Proof of his burial and acknowledgement of his service in the > Revolutionary War. > If anyone can assist me or direct me to the best place for information to > verify this and remove the question, I would be very grateful. > Sincerely, > Suzanne > > This is the DAR listing. > > Rank: PRIVATE > Birth: 1758 PRUSSIA > Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA > Service Source: PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 1, PP 672, 938, 939 > Service Description: 1) CAPTS MATHEW HOLGATE, JOHN LEVERING, > 2) 2ND BATT, PHILADELPHIA CO MILITIA > PENNSYLVANIA > > The following is from Bradford County Historical Society book: > Pioneer and Patriot Families of Bradford County, PA; Heaverly: 1770-1825; > Volumes I & II > Page 301-302, Volume I > > George Bloom b. 1754 Ahlersbach, Germany, as a young man was compelled to > serve in the Hessian Army and brought to America during the Revolutionary > War. He was captured by Americans and espousing their cause never > returned. > George m. Mary Ater of Maryland. George acquired lot 105 by assignment > from > Daniel DeWitt on 24 Nov 1790. Enumerated in Chemung, Montgomery (that > portion that became Tioga and later Chemung) County, New York in 1790 > with > one male over age sixteen (b. before 1774), one male under age sixteen > (b. > 1775-90), and five females in the household. They removed in 1798 to > Burlington, Bradford County, Pennsylvania where they raised their > children > and died. They had children: > George settled in Illinois and became very prosperous; > Elisha married Bersheba Blakesley and settled in Canton township. They > had > children: George, John A., Ann (Mrs. Oakley Lewis), Dolly (Mrs. Charles > Hoagland), Dameras (Mrs. George Merchant) and Betsy (Mrs. Isaac > Hoagland). > Joseph married widow Rebecca Braffit (who was left with three children), > removed to Ohio where he accumulated a handsome property. > David went to California during the gold excitement, "struck it rich" and > afterwards settled at Kankakee, Ill. > John, the youngest of the family, inherited the homestead. He married > Betsy, > daughter of Martin Stratton; children: Charles F., Olive, Bursha, > Lucinda, > H. Melissa, Lucy E. and Sarah E. > Polly married Ezra Rutty, Jr. of North Towanda. > Lanie married William Ellis and removed to Arcola, Ill. > Catharine married Amos Abbott of Canton. > Margaret married Mr. Blakesley of Burlington. > > Burial listing: http://www.joycetice.com/cemb/oldburl1.htm > > Bloom George 1754 1838 Born in Ahlersbach, Germany > Revolutionary War > Mary Ater 1841 Died in Baltimore MD, > wf of Geogre Bloom > > > > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. 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Thank you Nelda. I got both emails. I appreciate how everyone has been helpful. Sincerely, Suzanne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nelda Percival Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 6:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom Sorry K15nI this was the unit.. need to go to website and find the coding... > Blum, Georg, K-15, S#134,189,8v3/1, Trenton POW 1776 WEBSITE PAGE > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/a/a > dd1b.htm Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry K15nI this was the unit.. need to go to website and find the coding... > Blum, Georg, K-15, S#134,189,8v3/1, Trenton POW 1776 > WEBSITE PAGE http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/a/add1b.htm Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg

Suzanne, John Merz researched and allowed us to pu some research data non the website. Found this: Blum, Georg, K-15, S#134,189,8v3/1, Trenton POW 1776 WEBSITE PAGE http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/a/add1b.htm DEfining John Merz coding: S#134 = 134, Auerbach & Froehlich, Hetrina IV 2 Hessen-Kassel Regts,Chasseurs,Artll Archivschule Marburg ~~~~~~~~ (NOT SURE ON THIS ONE) 189 - S#189 Clifford Neal Smith, Monograph #28, Part 3, Hessian Soldiers who remained in Canada and the United States 1776-1783: Part 3: Deserters by Date of Defection. published 1992. ~~~~~~ 8v3/1 (NO IDEA) ~~~~~ Trenton POW 1776 Became a POW at Trenton, NJ 1776 ############################ ANYONE THAT CAN FILL IN FOR 8v3/1 (???) So you need to find volume four (IV) of the HETRINA and get a photo ,copy of the title page and the page that lists George. Now next you need a copy of the list of prisoners and his disposition. then you have to find his service record for what ever colony group he served with.. any application for pension. then will or some thing legal listing his children - census will work for where he lived but not for recording his children. because it does not name them.. nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 17:09:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > Hello, > I do appreciate all of the responses. > I guess I did not completely understand that you only research the Hessians. > I am sorry for not understanding this. > > Can you tell me if there was a Johann Jorge Blum or George Bloom that served > with the Hessian Army that fought against the Colonists? > Maybe it would tell if he deserted them or was captured. > > I appreciate your help. > Thank you. > Suzanne > > BTW: Bob Fetters, I have Fetters in my family. My Dad's sister married into > that family. I smiled when I saw your name. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Fetters > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > Both DAR & SAR accept Patriot status for Hessians, if they in some way > qualify as a Patriot under the normal rules: military service, paying a > supply tax, taking an oath of Allegiance to the new country, etc.. By the > way, British soldier deserters do not qualify in the same way. A former > National President of the SAR became a member based upon his Hessian > ancestor's military service for America, after he deserted. > > Bob Fetters > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > > > > > What is the DAR challenging? THe Military service? > > > > But George Bloom was a colonist? We don't do the American side.. we > > research the Hessians. The Germanic soldiers who stayed here. > > You need to find his military records try the national archives. look for > > record of service and or pension application. > > > > Now I'm confused... Are Hessians being used to join the DAR? > > > > > > nelda > > > > > > > > Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, > > Bonstein > > and Gillock > > My Genealogy - > > > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us > > Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > > > > GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ > > Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > > > > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:07:01 -0500 > >> Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > >> > >> Hello, > >> Both myself and my daughter are members of the DAR under George Bloom our > >> ancestor. > >> Recently we received a letter that there is a question as to the military > >> service of George Bloom. The DAR has closed his account which means that > >> my > >> four granddaughters will not be able to become members of the DAR without > >> proof of his service. > >> I am descended from his daughter Lanie. > >> Below I have listed the following: > >> 1. Patriot service record that is currently listed with the DAR > >> 2. Proof of his moving to PA after serving in the Revolutionary War > >> and the list of his children and where they moved to. > >> 3. Proof of his burial and acknowledgement of his service in the > >> Revolutionary War. > >> If anyone can assist me or direct me to the best place for information to > >> verify this and remove the question, I would be very grateful. > >> Sincerely, > >> Suzanne > >> > >> This is the DAR listing. > >> > >> Rank: PRIVATE > >> Birth: 1758 PRUSSIA > >> Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA > >> Service Source: PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 1, PP 672, 938, 939 > >> Service Description: 1) CAPTS MATHEW HOLGATE, JOHN LEVERING, > >> 2) 2ND BATT, PHILADELPHIA CO MILITIA > >> PENNSYLVANIA > >> > >> The following is from Bradford County Historical Society book: > >> Pioneer and Patriot Families of Bradford County, PA; Heaverly: 1770-1825; > >> Volumes I & II > >> Page 301-302, Volume I > >> > >> George Bloom b. 1754 Ahlersbach, Germany, as a young man was compelled to > >> serve in the Hessian Army and brought to America during the Revolutionary > >> War. He was captured by Americans and espousing their cause never > >> returned. > >> George m. Mary Ater of Maryland. George acquired lot 105 by assignment > >> from > >> Daniel DeWitt on 24 Nov 1790. Enumerated in Chemung, Montgomery (that > >> portion that became Tioga and later Chemung) County, New York in 1790 > >> with > >> one male over age sixteen (b. before 1774), one male under age sixteen > >> (b. > >> 1775-90), and five females in the household. They removed in 1798 to > >> Burlington, Bradford County, Pennsylvania where they raised their > >> children > >> and died. They had children: > >> George settled in Illinois and became very prosperous; > >> Elisha married Bersheba Blakesley and settled in Canton township. They > >> had > >> children: George, John A., Ann (Mrs. Oakley Lewis), Dolly (Mrs. Charles > >> Hoagland), Dameras (Mrs. George Merchant) and Betsy (Mrs. Isaac > >> Hoagland). > >> Joseph married widow Rebecca Braffit (who was left with three children), > >> removed to Ohio where he accumulated a handsome property. > >> David went to California during the gold excitement, "struck it rich" and > >> afterwards settled at Kankakee, Ill. > >> John, the youngest of the family, inherited the homestead. He married > >> Betsy, > >> daughter of Martin Stratton; children: Charles F., Olive, Bursha, > >> Lucinda, > >> H. Melissa, Lucy E. and Sarah E. > >> Polly married Ezra Rutty, Jr. of North Towanda. > >> Lanie married William Ellis and removed to Arcola, Ill. > >> Catharine married Amos Abbott of Canton. > >> Margaret married Mr. Blakesley of Burlington. > >> > >> Burial listing: http://www.joycetice.com/cemb/oldburl1.htm > >> > >> Bloom George 1754 1838 Born in Ahlersbach, Germany > >> Revolutionary War > >> Mary Ater 1841 Died in Baltimore MD, > >> wf of Geogre Bloom > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > >> ~~~~~~~~~ > >> FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. 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Both DAR & SAR accept Patriot status for Hessians, if they in some way qualify as a Patriot under the normal rules: military service, paying a supply tax, taking an oath of Allegiance to the new country, etc.. By the way, British soldier deserters do not qualify in the same way. A former National President of the SAR became a member based upon his Hessian ancestor's military service for America, after he deserted. Bob Fetters ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > What is the DAR challenging? THe Military service? > > But George Bloom was a colonist? We don't do the American side.. we > research the Hessians. The Germanic soldiers who stayed here. > You need to find his military records try the national archives. look for > record of service and or pension application. > > Now I'm confused... Are Hessians being used to join the DAR? > > > nelda > > > > Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, > Bonstein > and Gillock > My Genealogy - > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us > Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > > GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ > Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:07:01 -0500 >> Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom >> >> Hello, >> Both myself and my daughter are members of the DAR under George Bloom our >> ancestor. >> Recently we received a letter that there is a question as to the military >> service of George Bloom. The DAR has closed his account which means that >> my >> four granddaughters will not be able to become members of the DAR without >> proof of his service. >> I am descended from his daughter Lanie. >> Below I have listed the following: >> 1. Patriot service record that is currently listed with the DAR >> 2. Proof of his moving to PA after serving in the Revolutionary War >> and the list of his children and where they moved to. >> 3. Proof of his burial and acknowledgement of his service in the >> Revolutionary War. >> If anyone can assist me or direct me to the best place for information to >> verify this and remove the question, I would be very grateful. >> Sincerely, >> Suzanne >> >> This is the DAR listing. >> >> Rank: PRIVATE >> Birth: 1758 PRUSSIA >> Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA >> Service Source: PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 1, PP 672, 938, 939 >> Service Description: 1) CAPTS MATHEW HOLGATE, JOHN LEVERING, >> 2) 2ND BATT, PHILADELPHIA CO MILITIA >> PENNSYLVANIA >> >> The following is from Bradford County Historical Society book: >> Pioneer and Patriot Families of Bradford County, PA; Heaverly: 1770-1825; >> Volumes I & II >> Page 301-302, Volume I >> >> George Bloom b. 1754 Ahlersbach, Germany, as a young man was compelled to >> serve in the Hessian Army and brought to America during the Revolutionary >> War. He was captured by Americans and espousing their cause never >> returned. >> George m. Mary Ater of Maryland. George acquired lot 105 by assignment >> from >> Daniel DeWitt on 24 Nov 1790. Enumerated in Chemung, Montgomery (that >> portion that became Tioga and later Chemung) County, New York in 1790 >> with >> one male over age sixteen (b. before 1774), one male under age sixteen >> (b. >> 1775-90), and five females in the household. They removed in 1798 to >> Burlington, Bradford County, Pennsylvania where they raised their >> children >> and died. They had children: >> George settled in Illinois and became very prosperous; >> Elisha married Bersheba Blakesley and settled in Canton township. They >> had >> children: George, John A., Ann (Mrs. Oakley Lewis), Dolly (Mrs. Charles >> Hoagland), Dameras (Mrs. George Merchant) and Betsy (Mrs. Isaac >> Hoagland). >> Joseph married widow Rebecca Braffit (who was left with three children), >> removed to Ohio where he accumulated a handsome property. >> David went to California during the gold excitement, "struck it rich" and >> afterwards settled at Kankakee, Ill. >> John, the youngest of the family, inherited the homestead. He married >> Betsy, >> daughter of Martin Stratton; children: Charles F., Olive, Bursha, >> Lucinda, >> H. Melissa, Lucy E. and Sarah E. >> Polly married Ezra Rutty, Jr. of North Towanda. >> Lanie married William Ellis and removed to Arcola, Ill. >> Catharine married Amos Abbott of Canton. >> Margaret married Mr. Blakesley of Burlington. >> >> Burial listing: http://www.joycetice.com/cemb/oldburl1.htm >> >> Bloom George 1754 1838 Born in Ahlersbach, Germany >> Revolutionary War >> Mary Ater 1841 Died in Baltimore MD, >> wf of Geogre Bloom >> >> >> >> >> >> >> PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I do appreciate all of the responses. I guess I did not completely understand that you only research the Hessians. I am sorry for not understanding this. Can you tell me if there was a Johann Jorge Blum or George Bloom that served with the Hessian Army that fought against the Colonists? Maybe it would tell if he deserted them or was captured. I appreciate your help. Thank you. Suzanne BTW: Bob Fetters, I have Fetters in my family. My Dad's sister married into that family. I smiled when I saw your name. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Fetters Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom Both DAR & SAR accept Patriot status for Hessians, if they in some way qualify as a Patriot under the normal rules: military service, paying a supply tax, taking an oath of Allegiance to the new country, etc.. By the way, British soldier deserters do not qualify in the same way. A former National President of the SAR became a member based upon his Hessian ancestor's military service for America, after he deserted. Bob Fetters ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > What is the DAR challenging? THe Military service? > > But George Bloom was a colonist? We don't do the American side.. we > research the Hessians. The Germanic soldiers who stayed here. > You need to find his military records try the national archives. look for > record of service and or pension application. > > Now I'm confused... Are Hessians being used to join the DAR? > > > nelda > > > > Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, > Bonstein > and Gillock > My Genealogy - > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm > > GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us > Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ > > GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ > Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:07:01 -0500 >> Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom >> >> Hello, >> Both myself and my daughter are members of the DAR under George Bloom our >> ancestor. >> Recently we received a letter that there is a question as to the military >> service of George Bloom. The DAR has closed his account which means that >> my >> four granddaughters will not be able to become members of the DAR without >> proof of his service. >> I am descended from his daughter Lanie. >> Below I have listed the following: >> 1. Patriot service record that is currently listed with the DAR >> 2. Proof of his moving to PA after serving in the Revolutionary War >> and the list of his children and where they moved to. >> 3. Proof of his burial and acknowledgement of his service in the >> Revolutionary War. >> If anyone can assist me or direct me to the best place for information to >> verify this and remove the question, I would be very grateful. >> Sincerely, >> Suzanne >> >> This is the DAR listing. >> >> Rank: PRIVATE >> Birth: 1758 PRUSSIA >> Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA >> Service Source: PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 1, PP 672, 938, 939 >> Service Description: 1) CAPTS MATHEW HOLGATE, JOHN LEVERING, >> 2) 2ND BATT, PHILADELPHIA CO MILITIA >> PENNSYLVANIA >> >> The following is from Bradford County Historical Society book: >> Pioneer and Patriot Families of Bradford County, PA; Heaverly: 1770-1825; >> Volumes I & II >> Page 301-302, Volume I >> >> George Bloom b. 1754 Ahlersbach, Germany, as a young man was compelled to >> serve in the Hessian Army and brought to America during the Revolutionary >> War. He was captured by Americans and espousing their cause never >> returned. >> George m. Mary Ater of Maryland. George acquired lot 105 by assignment >> from >> Daniel DeWitt on 24 Nov 1790. Enumerated in Chemung, Montgomery (that >> portion that became Tioga and later Chemung) County, New York in 1790 >> with >> one male over age sixteen (b. before 1774), one male under age sixteen >> (b. >> 1775-90), and five females in the household. They removed in 1798 to >> Burlington, Bradford County, Pennsylvania where they raised their >> children >> and died. They had children: >> George settled in Illinois and became very prosperous; >> Elisha married Bersheba Blakesley and settled in Canton township. They >> had >> children: George, John A., Ann (Mrs. Oakley Lewis), Dolly (Mrs. Charles >> Hoagland), Dameras (Mrs. George Merchant) and Betsy (Mrs. Isaac >> Hoagland). >> Joseph married widow Rebecca Braffit (who was left with three children), >> removed to Ohio where he accumulated a handsome property. >> David went to California during the gold excitement, "struck it rich" and >> afterwards settled at Kankakee, Ill. >> John, the youngest of the family, inherited the homestead. He married >> Betsy, >> daughter of Martin Stratton; children: Charles F., Olive, Bursha, >> Lucinda, >> H. Melissa, Lucy E. and Sarah E. >> Polly married Ezra Rutty, Jr. of North Towanda. >> Lanie married William Ellis and removed to Arcola, Ill. >> Catharine married Amos Abbott of Canton. >> Margaret married Mr. Blakesley of Burlington. >> >> Burial listing: http://www.joycetice.com/cemb/oldburl1.htm >> >> Bloom George 1754 1838 Born in Ahlersbach, Germany >> Revolutionary War >> Mary Ater 1841 Died in Baltimore MD, >> wf of Geogre Bloom >> >> >> >> >> >> >> PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What is the DAR challenging? THe Military service? But George Bloom was a colonist? We don't do the American side.. we research the Hessians. The Germanic soldiers who stayed here. You need to find his military records try the national archives. look for record of service and or pension application. Now I'm confused... Are Hessians being used to join the DAR? nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:07:01 -0500 > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > Hello, > Both myself and my daughter are members of the DAR under George Bloom our > ancestor. > Recently we received a letter that there is a question as to the military > service of George Bloom. The DAR has closed his account which means that my > four granddaughters will not be able to become members of the DAR without > proof of his service. > I am descended from his daughter Lanie. > Below I have listed the following: > 1. Patriot service record that is currently listed with the DAR > 2. Proof of his moving to PA after serving in the Revolutionary War > and the list of his children and where they moved to. > 3. Proof of his burial and acknowledgement of his service in the > Revolutionary War. > If anyone can assist me or direct me to the best place for information to > verify this and remove the question, I would be very grateful. > Sincerely, > Suzanne > > This is the DAR listing. > > Rank: PRIVATE > Birth: 1758 PRUSSIA > Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA > Service Source: PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 1, PP 672, 938, 939 > Service Description: 1) CAPTS MATHEW HOLGATE, JOHN LEVERING, > 2) 2ND BATT, PHILADELPHIA CO MILITIA > PENNSYLVANIA > > The following is from Bradford County Historical Society book: > Pioneer and Patriot Families of Bradford County, PA; Heaverly: 1770-1825; > Volumes I & II > Page 301-302, Volume I > > George Bloom b. 1754 Ahlersbach, Germany, as a young man was compelled to > serve in the Hessian Army and brought to America during the Revolutionary > War. He was captured by Americans and espousing their cause never returned. > George m. Mary Ater of Maryland. George acquired lot 105 by assignment from > Daniel DeWitt on 24 Nov 1790. Enumerated in Chemung, Montgomery (that > portion that became Tioga and later Chemung) County, New York in 1790 with > one male over age sixteen (b. before 1774), one male under age sixteen (b. > 1775-90), and five females in the household. They removed in 1798 to > Burlington, Bradford County, Pennsylvania where they raised their children > and died. They had children: > George settled in Illinois and became very prosperous; > Elisha married Bersheba Blakesley and settled in Canton township. They had > children: George, John A., Ann (Mrs. Oakley Lewis), Dolly (Mrs. Charles > Hoagland), Dameras (Mrs. George Merchant) and Betsy (Mrs. Isaac Hoagland). > Joseph married widow Rebecca Braffit (who was left with three children), > removed to Ohio where he accumulated a handsome property. > David went to California during the gold excitement, "struck it rich" and > afterwards settled at Kankakee, Ill. > John, the youngest of the family, inherited the homestead. He married Betsy, > daughter of Martin Stratton; children: Charles F., Olive, Bursha, Lucinda, > H. Melissa, Lucy E. and Sarah E. > Polly married Ezra Rutty, Jr. of North Towanda. > Lanie married William Ellis and removed to Arcola, Ill. > Catharine married Amos Abbott of Canton. > Margaret married Mr. Blakesley of Burlington. > > Burial listing: http://www.joycetice.com/cemb/oldburl1.htm > > Bloom George 1754 1838 Born in Ahlersbach, Germany > Revolutionary War > Mary Ater 1841 Died in Baltimore MD, > wf of Geogre Bloom > > > > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Both myself and my daughter are members of the DAR under George Bloom our ancestor. Recently we received a letter that there is a question as to the military service of George Bloom. The DAR has closed his account which means that my four granddaughters will not be able to become members of the DAR without proof of his service. I am descended from his daughter Lanie. Below I have listed the following: 1. Patriot service record that is currently listed with the DAR 2. Proof of his moving to PA after serving in the Revolutionary War and the list of his children and where they moved to. 3. Proof of his burial and acknowledgement of his service in the Revolutionary War. If anyone can assist me or direct me to the best place for information to verify this and remove the question, I would be very grateful. Sincerely, Suzanne This is the DAR listing. Rank: PRIVATE Birth: 1758 PRUSSIA Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA Service Source: PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 1, PP 672, 938, 939 Service Description: 1) CAPTS MATHEW HOLGATE, JOHN LEVERING, 2) 2ND BATT, PHILADELPHIA CO MILITIA PENNSYLVANIA The following is from Bradford County Historical Society book: Pioneer and Patriot Families of Bradford County, PA; Heaverly: 1770-1825; Volumes I & II Page 301-302, Volume I George Bloom b. 1754 Ahlersbach, Germany, as a young man was compelled to serve in the Hessian Army and brought to America during the Revolutionary War. He was captured by Americans and espousing their cause never returned. George m. Mary Ater of Maryland. George acquired lot 105 by assignment from Daniel DeWitt on 24 Nov 1790. Enumerated in Chemung, Montgomery (that portion that became Tioga and later Chemung) County, New York in 1790 with one male over age sixteen (b. before 1774), one male under age sixteen (b. 1775-90), and five females in the household. They removed in 1798 to Burlington, Bradford County, Pennsylvania where they raised their children and died. They had children: George settled in Illinois and became very prosperous; Elisha married Bersheba Blakesley and settled in Canton township. They had children: George, John A., Ann (Mrs. Oakley Lewis), Dolly (Mrs. Charles Hoagland), Dameras (Mrs. George Merchant) and Betsy (Mrs. Isaac Hoagland). Joseph married widow Rebecca Braffit (who was left with three children), removed to Ohio where he accumulated a handsome property. David went to California during the gold excitement, "struck it rich" and afterwards settled at Kankakee, Ill. John, the youngest of the family, inherited the homestead. He married Betsy, daughter of Martin Stratton; children: Charles F., Olive, Bursha, Lucinda, H. Melissa, Lucy E. and Sarah E. Polly married Ezra Rutty, Jr. of North Towanda. Lanie married William Ellis and removed to Arcola, Ill. Catharine married Amos Abbott of Canton. Margaret married Mr. Blakesley of Burlington. Burial listing: http://www.joycetice.com/cemb/oldburl1.htm Bloom George 1754 1838 Born in Ahlersbach, Germany Revolutionary War Mary Ater 1841 Died in Baltimore MD, wf of Geogre Bloom

A Hessen could be considered a R W patriot if they changed over from British and served the Colonists. (Either by oath of allegiance or deserted British and joined colonists . What difference where they originated.?? I am working on a Hessen turned to Colonists side also -----Original Message----- From: Nelda Percival Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 1:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom What is the DAR challenging? THe Military service? But George Bloom was a colonist? We don't do the American side.. we research the Hessians. The Germanic soldiers who stayed here. You need to find his military records try the national archives. look for record of service and or pension application. Now I'm confused... Are Hessians being used to join the DAR? nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:07:01 -0500 > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Johann Jorge Blum / George Bloom > > Hello, > Both myself and my daughter are members of the DAR under George Bloom our > ancestor. > Recently we received a letter that there is a question as to the military > service of George Bloom. The DAR has closed his account which means that > my > four granddaughters will not be able to become members of the DAR without > proof of his service. > I am descended from his daughter Lanie. > Below I have listed the following: > 1. Patriot service record that is currently listed with the DAR > 2. Proof of his moving to PA after serving in the Revolutionary War > and the list of his children and where they moved to. > 3. Proof of his burial and acknowledgement of his service in the > Revolutionary War. > If anyone can assist me or direct me to the best place for information to > verify this and remove the question, I would be very grateful. > Sincerely, > Suzanne > > This is the DAR listing. > > Rank: PRIVATE > Birth: 1758 PRUSSIA > Death: (POST) 1800 WYSOX TWP-LIV LUZERNE CO PENNSYLVANIA > Service Source: PA ARCH, 6TH SER, VOL 1, PP 672, 938, 939 > Service Description: 1) CAPTS MATHEW HOLGATE, JOHN LEVERING, > 2) 2ND BATT, PHILADELPHIA CO MILITIA > PENNSYLVANIA > > The following is from Bradford County Historical Society book: > Pioneer and Patriot Families of Bradford County, PA; Heaverly: 1770-1825; > Volumes I & II > Page 301-302, Volume I > > George Bloom b. 1754 Ahlersbach, Germany, as a young man was compelled to > serve in the Hessian Army and brought to America during the Revolutionary > War. He was captured by Americans and espousing their cause never > returned. > George m. Mary Ater of Maryland. George acquired lot 105 by assignment > from > Daniel DeWitt on 24 Nov 1790. Enumerated in Chemung, Montgomery (that > portion that became Tioga and later Chemung) County, New York in 1790 with > one male over age sixteen (b. before 1774), one male under age sixteen (b. > 1775-90), and five females in the household. They removed in 1798 to > Burlington, Bradford County, Pennsylvania where they raised their children > and died. They had children: > George settled in Illinois and became very prosperous; > Elisha married Bersheba Blakesley and settled in Canton township. They had > children: George, John A., Ann (Mrs. Oakley Lewis), Dolly (Mrs. Charles > Hoagland), Dameras (Mrs. George Merchant) and Betsy (Mrs. Isaac Hoagland). > Joseph married widow Rebecca Braffit (who was left with three children), > removed to Ohio where he accumulated a handsome property. > David went to California during the gold excitement, "struck it rich" and > afterwards settled at Kankakee, Ill. > John, the youngest of the family, inherited the homestead. He married > Betsy, > daughter of Martin Stratton; children: Charles F., Olive, Bursha, Lucinda, > H. Melissa, Lucy E. and Sarah E. > Polly married Ezra Rutty, Jr. of North Towanda. > Lanie married William Ellis and removed to Arcola, Ill. > Catharine married Amos Abbott of Canton. > Margaret married Mr. Blakesley of Burlington. > > Burial listing: http://www.joycetice.com/cemb/oldburl1.htm > > Bloom George 1754 1838 Born in Ahlersbach, Germany > Revolutionary War > Mary Ater 1841 Died in Baltimore MD, > wf of Geogre Bloom > > > > > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. 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There are a couple of clips which weren't aired from the Rob Lowe-Hessian episode of WDYTYA at the following link: http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/a-true-american-story/1398 634 Susan

That was fascinating.  Thanks Nelda.   The article comfirms something I suspected.  That if you get certain male or female relatives to participate you can target certain lines of ancestry.   Suzanne From: Nelda Percival <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:09 PM Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] A Little off topic- WDYTYA series - A review Hi, CeCe a lady I know does an excellent job of reviewing this series.  I thought you might be interested in reading her reports... http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/04/finding-your-roots-with-henry-louis_30.html Nelda Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy -  http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us  Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics:  http://www.gilpingenetics.us/    Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg                         PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Suzanne, May I suggest that possibly your Hessian ancestor was not the one who changed his name, but that it underwent a metamorphosis, so to speak, over time. That is what happened in my soldier's case. His name at birth was Johann Jacob Rierschneck. His name listed in French on the Ansbach Muster lists was spelled as Jean Rührschneck, Ruhrschneck, Rierschneck, Riehrschneck and Ruhrschnech. His name as recorded in early Virginia records over the years has been spelled Reversnuck, Rosenake, Raresnake, Rearsnake, Raresnick, Raversnuck and Reversnuk. And 230 years later, the spellings our family uses today are Rasnick, Rasnake and Rasnic. Because the newly emerging country was a hodgepodge of varying languages, dialects and levels of literacy, many foreign names were spelled as each individual heard it, and in as many different ways as the people who transcribed it. The English heard it one way, the Scotch-Irish another, the French and Germans, still another. So while most of the Hessian soldiers might have been able to write their name, maybe that's one of the reasons why so many signed documents by their mark. Just a thought. In any event, it's a miracle that any of us can tract down our Hessians with problems like these! Marie Rasnick Fetzer -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Pryse Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Trying to understand the Hessians I haven't figured out why my Brunswicker changed his name from Scherzberg to Shotzberger, but we have proof that it was changed within his lifetime. I personally don't think Shotzberger particularly sounds more English. He settled in a part of Pennsylvania that already had "Germans" living there and married the daughter of an immigrant from another part of Germany and wondered if that was why he changed it. I've talked to modern Germans who can't figure out either. I can tell you that in studying my Welsh ancestors, I've discovered that they spelled names phonetically on census records and spelled their own childrens' names differently every ten years going back to 1740 census and they could read and write. Suzanne From: Wayne Simmons <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Trying to understand the Hessians Nelda Percival, I like your summary story about the Hessians in America! Do you any information about the number (if any) of the Hessians that stayed in American and married into the Native American Indian tribes? Could there have been any number Hessians that either resided in or moved into the Sand Lake, New York area? Also, was it a common practice for some Hessians that stayed in America to change their surname and if they changed their surname was there some common method to establish the new surname? Thanks for any help with these questions!! Regards, Wayne Simmons http://simmonsgenealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nelda Percival Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 1:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Searching for Daniel Howard Chris, If you haven't found his military records how do you know " He originated from Hesse, Kasel, Germany." Hesse Kasel was a principaloty Please be aware Germany was NOT a country untill after 1900. COPIED FROM THE WEBSITE - http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/why.htm In early 1776, King George III of England hired units from the various houses or states of Germany to assist with bringing the the colonist's rebellion to order. The hiring of foreign troops to supplement a country's army was a normal procedure during this time of history. Several of the German rulers, needing hard currency and being "between wars", were only too happy to oblige. They were Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (a principality in northern Hesse) King George III's brother in law, his son William, count of Hesse-Hanau and nephew to King George III; Charles I, Duke of Brunswick; Frederick, Prince of Waldeck; Charles Alexander, Margrave of Anspach-Bayreuth; and Frederick Augustus, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst. About 18,000 Hessian troops arrived in North America in 1776, with more coming in later, of this about 3/4 of them were from Hesse-Kassel. Thus the colonist's newspapers referred to all of them as Hessians and the name stuck. In addition to firepower, American rebels used propaganda against Hessians. They enticed Hessians to desert to join the German-American population. In April 1778, one letter promised 50 acres (0.2 km²) of land to every deserter. Benjamin Franklin wrote an article that claimed that a Hessian commander wanted more of his soldiers dead so that he could be better compensated. After the war ended in 1783, 17,313 Hessians returned to their homelands. Of the 12,526 who did not, about 7,700 died - around 1,200 were killed in action and 6,354 died from illness or accidents. Approximately 5,000 Hessians settled in North America, both in the United States and Canada - some because their commanders refused to take them back to Germany because they were criminals or physically unfit. Most of them married and settled amongst the population of the newly formed United States. Many of them became farmers or craftsmen. The number of their direct descendants living in the U.S. and Canada today is still being debated. Paraphrased or copied for verbatim from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessians There have been many emails sent to the archives discussing the reason that the units from these different Germanic States were called Hessians instead of by their own area's name.....~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALSO: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/germany.h tm The Germanic States in 1775 History of the Germanic StatesNice map and full history Nelda L. Percival, Administrator of Y-DNA surname projects Gilpin, Cupp, Bonstein and Gillock My Genealogy - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/index.htm GeneticGenealogy - http://www.geneticsand.us Blog - http://aircastles-lets-talk.blogspot.com/ GilpinGenetics: http://www.gilpingenetics.us/ Web Mistress for LCRG - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:16:41 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AMREV-HESSIANS] Searching for Daniel Howard > > Hello - > > I am hoping someone can help me in my search. > > What I DO know is that my hessian ancestors name was Daniel Howard. After capture he was working farms in Greenwich, Ct before marrying an American. Im having trouble in finding out where Daniel was captured. He originated from Hesse, Kasel, Germany. I am assuming that the last name HOWARD might have been changed from a more German last name. If anyone can provide help I would appreciate it. > > Thank you > > Chris Howard > > > PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! > ~~~~~~~~~ > FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message PLEASE CHECK ALL OF YOUR SUBJECTS! ~~~~~~~~~ FOUNDER: John H. Merz 1924-2006 Created 1998 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADMINISTRATOR&lt;Kerri> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message