To all subscribers of the AMREV-HESSIANS mail list: Since it is happening more often lately that I misjudge or forget things, and it is harder and harder to concentrate, and above all, that I am really neglecting wife and family, I have made an important decision - Last year I promised to turn over my files and books pertaining to my Hessian soldier research in the U.S.A. to the National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution and I have just received a letter from the SAR that their Librarian will come to see me in September to inspect and take with him what is needed for researchers to continue my research. For the next two months I am very busy with preparations for the Plaque presentation at the Rose House Museum on Lake Ontario (first Hessian soldier settlement in Upper Canada). This takes place on 21. August 2004, a Saturday, and many distinguished guests and Hessian descendants are expected to attend. After that I will sort out and prepare myself for the transfer of my files, and will look forward to the visit of the SAR Librarian. I will still maintain the Canadian files until I find a good place for them, and above all, I will keep running this list, although I won't be able to assist much with information as I did before. Have a nice summer, John Helmut Merz, Hamilton, Ontario.

John, Sorry you are giving up on some of this work .However you have already done so much to help we need to work harder ourselves.Know you have lots of it in your memory still. My husband is an active member of the SAR , I know they will take the best care of your collection. It will be so available to many . at that library .I think the new library will be finished before then. Thanks Mary -Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Official Announcement - Bekanntmachung! > To all subscribers of the AMREV-HESSIANS mail list: > > Since it is happening more often lately that I misjudge or forget > things, and it is harder and harder to concentrate, and above all, > that I am really neglecting wife and family, I have made an > important decision - > > Last year I promised to turn over my files and books pertaining > to my Hessian soldier research in the U.S.A. to the > > National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution > > and I have just received a letter from the SAR that their Librarian > will come to see me in September to inspect and take with him > what is needed for researchers to continue my research. > > For the next two months I am very busy with preparations for the > Plaque presentation at the Rose House Museum on Lake Ontario > (first Hessian soldier settlement in Upper Canada). This takes > place on 21. August 2004, a Saturday, and many distinguished > guests and Hessian descendants are expected to attend. > > After that I will sort out and prepare myself for the transfer of my files, > and will look forward to the visit of the SAR Librarian. > I will still maintain the Canadian files until I find a good place for > them, and above all, I will keep running this list, although I won't > be able to assist much with information as I did before. > > Have a nice summer, > John Helmut Merz, > Hamilton, > Ontario. > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Our mail list archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > Here is the Hessian Soldier plaque http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm <- click on > Try it and you will find a treasure chest full of information. > >

Dear Floyd, thank you for lifting the fog around my temple, now I can see what you are up to and trying to accomplish. At my age (80) it's not always easy to figure out what's up :-) Floyd, years ago I was trying to find those Waldeck soldiers who were taken prisoner in Baton Rouge and Pensacola by the Spanish, and I listed all their names as they were given by Hetrina V and also in the book by Bruce E. Burgoyne 'Waldeck soldiers', That's why I am forwarding your message to that list as well, we may find some help there in your search. You could have a look at their mail list archive as well. It wouldn't hurt to look at as many sources as there are. Wishing you success and the best of luck, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: YKNOTT123@aol.com To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: Andreas Mahr - Hessian Soldiers John, I am Floyd Knott, direct descendent of Christoph Noth. In previous commuunications with you I indicated that I felt that some Hessian soldiers in addition to Noth had come to South Louisiana after the Revolutionary War. I know you have been very helpful and realize how busy you are but I would like to prove my thesis so that if I am correct that monuments can be erected in the area to honor them. I am limiting my seach to a very small area in Grand Coteau, Louisiana (less than 100 residents around 1790 - a 10 mile area) of persons who indicated that they were born in Germany, having come in the 1780's. from Maryland, Pennsylvania, or Canada). The following is a list of close German neighbors of Noth: 1. Willam Spangenberg possibly same as Wilhelm Spangenberg Hetrina p. 154 First record of William Spangenberg in Grand Coteau - Marriage 18 June 1793 2. Andre (Mayer) Possible Andreas Mahr Record in area shows (Buried 6 Apr 1811 at age abt. 60). 3. Christoph Goth(also Gad, Gothe,etc.) Brother-in-law to Christoph Noth- Married 3 June 1793. Possibly Christoph Guthe, Hetrina page 180 4. John Folse(Fauls, Faul, Fahle, etc) Possibly Johannes Falz Hetrina page 68 Married 4 Feb 1802 to Marie Therese Milher (Mueller,Miller) 1810 Census lists his birth as 1756 in Velle, Germany. I am also checking other Germans in immediate area, such as Mueller, Bertelot, Teller, Prudhomme, Shafer, Haller, Marsh(Meche) etc. I realize that few, if any, of the persons mentioned will be Hessian soldiers, but I believe I should check every possible lead. I am not a professional genealogist - but a dedicated person. I am asking help from others on the list (and guidance from you), John. I know how busy you are, John, but your comments will be appreciated.

I am Ross Meldrum. I have two ancestors both brothers by the last name of Rodeback, who were of german descent living in chester county Pennsylvania around the time of the revolutionary war. I am trying to find out if these brothers were possibly members of the hessian armies conscripted by England. I am trying to find out what resources are available for research in this area. Ships manifests, military records ports of entry, etc. Thanks for any suggestions.

Hello Todd; I have him covered in my book "The Hessians of Nova Scotia" still available for $35.00 postage included. Look at page 191. Cheers, John Helmut Merz, 703-350 Concession St., Hamilton, Ontario, L9A 1B6, Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: <TJennex@infosol.com> To: <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 11:18 PM Subject: schneck > Hello my name is Todd Jennex (orginal name Schenck -> Schennix -> Jennix -> > Jennex). When I was a kid, before my Great Aunt died she explained to me > that the first Jennex (Henry) who came to Nova Scotia, was granted land by > the British for servering in "some war". She said he was a Hesse German. She > said he first received land in Myers Grant area but then gave that up to > move to Jeddore. She said he came here with his brother. His brother > eventually, moved to Newfoundland and maybe even moved on to the States. > > She told me that when he died he receive a more than average funeral at St. > Paul's Anglican Church in his uniform. She went on to explain that his grave > was eventually robbed (metals and sword etc). > > The only dates I know for him are: HENRY JENNEX was born Abt. 1750. He > married CATHERINE WOLFE November 6, 1788 in St. Paul's Anglican Church, > Halifax, N. S. (which I have records from there on up to my generation). > > I would like to find out if he was involved in the Revolutionary War. > I would like to try and find information on earlier Jennex's. I want to try > to go back as far as I can. > > If you can point me in the right direction that would be great, thanks. > > > -Todd

Hello, there is one thing I would like to bring up at this point in time - our mail list is trying to help Hessian descendants to find their roots, and also something about their history and what happened to them. A lot of people are going through the trouble of trying to help and come up with answers, adding experiences, etc., but also would like to know for whom they are doing this. I know it's not only me who feels that way, many others would also like to know. After all in one way or another we all feel like family and we are all some kind of distant cousins. Having said that, I hope you will introduce yourself to the list, and we will respond in kind. You will also notice that I am posting this to the Amrev as well as the Quebec-Hessians list, because we have been looking for one Hanau soldier Philip MAHR quite extensively, but with Andreas we have not had much luck as yet. He came from the same place as Philipp, from Dudenhofen, and I suspected that he actually returned home after the Revolution. He was last stationed in St. Antoine, Quebec as per your source. Hoping to hear from you, and hoping you can tell us why you are looking for him. Cheers, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: <YKNOTT123@aol.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] Andre Mahr > Am seeking information on Andre Mahr listed in Clifford Neal Smith > "Mercenaries from Hessen-Hanau Who Remained in Canada after the American Revolution" > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians

Am seeking information on Andre Mahr listed in Clifford Neal Smith "Mercenaries from Hessen-Hanau Who Remained in Canada after the American Revolution"

Forwarded to AMREV-HESSIANS mail list: ----- Original Message ----- From: YKNOTT123@aol.com To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: Wilhelm Spangenberg Wilhelm Spangenberg of the Regiment von Bose deserted at Frederick and settled in Maryland and Virginia. Does anyone have any later info on him or his family?

Hi, My name is Barbara Weese and my husband is a descendant of Hessian soldier Johann Philip Goldeiss (Goldizen).

Database for the entire Hessian soldier list? Wouldn't that be lovely :) Too many principalities involved, too many Regiments, too many locations, too many battlefields, too many prison camps, too many soldiers with too many name variations - who wants to give it a try? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Mackey" <keithm@gate.net> To: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 6:40 AM Subject: Re: Hessian Soldier Mengle > Mr.: Merz: > > Thank you very much for your prompt reply. The family name is spelled MENGLE > although it has been also spelled MENGEL. We had been told as children that > our ancestor had been taken prisoner at the battle of Trenton. Your research > indicates that this must be in error. Is there a database available on line > to search for the name in the entire Hessian soldier list? > > Thanks again > > Renda Mengle Mackey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> > To: "Keith Mackey" <keithm@gate.net>; <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: Hessian Soldier Mengle > > > Hello Renda; > > > > The names Mengel or Menckel. or even Mengele and Mengle > > cannot be found on the Trenton prisoner list, although there were > > a MENNECKING, Hermann and a MENSCKER, Henrich. Henrich > > was later reported as having died (Hetrina III). Hermann of the > > Lossberg Regiment was wounded at time of capture (Hetrina II) > > SNIP>

Bob, I received my pins this past week and they are wonderful. I put one on immediately and will see one of my brothers tonight and will give him his. I am mailing 2 out to other new cousins that I have met thru the internet who are in Georg Nikolaus Spaht,Spaid's line. Thank You so much for all your work and time, although I am sure it was a labor of love. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert A. Fetters" <fetters@bright.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Hessian Pins - SOLD OUT!! > Hessian Listers, > > Thank you all for your support and orders for the Hessian > Descendant Lapel Pins. The response has been fantastic, and > so far, I've heard only positive adjectives describing the > pin (and the quality and low price). > > Today, the 23rd of June, I received orders and shipped two > more orders for the Hessian Lapel Pins, leaving 3 pins > unsold. Obviously, I am not going to fill many other orders > from this initial 500 pins---497 sold or given away to date. > > I am considering placing another order for pins, but want to > see if we could also get a pendant (to put on a necklace or > use as a charm) rather than a pin style for some of the > order. Again, I don't want to be stuck with a bunch of pins > or pendants, so must ask for another poll of the List. Last > time, I received interest indications for almost 300 pins. > I've sold 497 in the 1st 8 days of availability, so the 300 > estimate was way low. > > If you have an interest in purchasing more pins (or possibly > pendants---if I can get them), I would appreciate an e-mail > directly to me giving the number of each you "might" want? > Cost is dependent upon quantity ordered, so if less than 500 > more are wanted, the price could go to as much as $3 each. > Please take price into consideration, if you can give me an > estimate of your needs. A quick response should tell me of > any further interest, and I'll let the List know whether > there will be another order. Please, do not send an order > to me until this determination is made and price set. > > A second order of pins would probably not be available until > about the end of July. > > If you are a person who ordered pins just in the last couple > of days, then you may or may not receive your pins. For any > orders I receive tomorrow or later, I need to know your > desires. I can hold the order and the check if and until > another order is placed, or I can just tear up the check you > sent. Please e-mail me off List, if you have sent an order, > and are not sure it has been filled. If not filled, I need > to know your desires, when the order is received. > > Bob Fetters > e-mail = <fetters@bright.net> > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe click on AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com > and write one single word unsubscribe in subject line and text field. > No other words or explanations or it won't work. But before you do, have a last look at our HESSIAN SOLDIER plaque - > http://www.crbronzeworks.com/hessian/ <-- order here > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 06/24/2004

Walt -- Captain, later Major, Philipp von Wurmb's jäger company wasn't formed until after the arrival of the 1777 recruits arrived at New York on 08 June 1777. How much layer than that date, I can not state Prior to that time the only Hessian jägers at New York were the company of Captain Carl August von Werden which had acconpanied von Heister's first division of Hessians (arr: NY 12 Aug 1776) and the company of Captain Johann Ewald (the diarist) which had accompanied von Knyphausen's second division of Hessians (arr: 18 Oct 1776). In June, it was announced that the Hessian Jägerkorps was to be expanded to six companies and commanded by Lieuenant Colonel Ludwig Joseph Adolph von Wurmb. There were to be five foot compaies and one mounted company. In addition, the newly arrived Anspach-Bayreuth jäger company commanded by Christoph Gustav von Cramon, 116 men strong, was attached and the combined unit was known as the Jägerkorps (not "Hessian Jägerkorps" because of the involvment ! of the Ansbach-Bayreuth jägers). The Jägerkorps ended up with a total of eight companies (2 Ansbach-Bayreuth and 5 Hesse-Cassel comanies of foot jägers and one Hesse-Cassel mounted company) but after Yorktown, the Ansbach-Bayreuth jägers were removed from the Jägerkorps and became the basis of a new Ansbach-Bayeuth Jägerregiment comprised of six Jägerkompanien. of approximately 675 menstrong. This reorganization, ordered immediately upon the news of the surrender of both Ansbach-Bayreuth regiments at Yorktown, wasn't implemented until 01 May 1783, ten days before the release of the POWs. Besides the Jägerkorps, there were jägers attached to the British Army in Canada. When the army under Howe departed for Philadelphia from New York, the Jägerkorps comprised only five companies (3 Hessian and 1 A-B foot companies plus 1 Hessian mounted company). In addition to the books suggested by John, Because of the co-mingling of the Hesse-Cassel and Ansbach-Bayreuth Jägers I'd reccomend reading _Diaries of Two Ansbach Jaegers _, translated by Bruce E. Burgoyne. The diary of Captain Heinrich Carl Philipp von Feilitsch, involved in the war from 1777 until 1780, covers Howe's 1777 invasion of NJ, the Philadelphia Campaign, the Battle of Red Bank, the Battle of Monmouth, and the 1779 engagements at Stony and Verplanck's Points. The second diary is that of 2nd Lieutenant Christian Friedrich Bartholomai who arrived in 1779. 1997, 166 pages, maps, bibl., index, paper http://www.geocities.com/hessians1776/ HETRINA IV has info on the Hesse-Cassel jägers; however, an individual jäger doesn't appear unless he did something which caused his name to appear in the monthly list (promoted, transferred, deserted, POW, etc.). Whereas the infantry regiments has pre-/post-deployment Stammrollen, there are none for the jägers. As John mentioned, there is no known way to trace an individual jäger's service. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Kassel Jaeger VESENBECKER--thanks John, Thanks for your encouragement and your leads. I will certainly pursue them. And thanks, too, for explaining to me why it is particularly hard to learn about a particular Jaeger. Now, I much better understand the circumstances of their service. Walt Warnick ---------------- John Merz wrote: >Thank you Walt, > >with all those identified descendants of VESENBECKER/FAZENBAKER, >did you order enough Hessian Pins from Bob Fetters? >He tells us that he already ran out of them, sold out his first 500. >I think he better order the next batch, eh :). > >But let's get serious about the Hessian Jaegers during the RevWar. >It is pretty difficult and perhaps even impossible to tell exactly where >a particular Jaeger was employed at any given time, because they >were attached to different Regiments in smaller groups, and were >engaged in most areas and skirmishes. Always out front or securing >the flanks. Georg belonged to the 6. Company, which was commanded >by Captain/Major Ph. von Wurmb. This according to a small German >book written by Georg H. Wetzel, printed 1992, titled: >"Das Hochfuerstlich Hessische Feld-Jaeger Corps im Amerikanischen >Unabhaengigkeitskrieg 1776-1783." It lists all the engagements and it is >a very long list. It does not say which Jaeger units were specifically >involved. >But come to think of it, perhaps you can find more about the activities >in Johann Ewald's "Diary of the American War - A Hessian Journal, >translated and edited by Joseph P. Tustin, Yale University Press 1979. > >Well dear Walt, I just wanted to encourage you a little bit, and I hope >I succeeded. Greetings to your grandmother too. >Cheers >John Merz > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Walt Warnick" <ashlie@erols.com> >Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:31 PM >Subject: [HESSIAN] Still With You > > > > >>My "Hessian" ancestor is George Fazenbaker. Much of what I have learned >>about him is posted on the web at www.erols.com/ashlie/FAZENBAK.HTM I >>shared all this information with this list several years ago. >> >>The anglicized version of the German surname appears to be unique, so >>that all Fazenbakers in America are in some way connected with the >>Hessian. I have identified a couple thousand such people. More >>thousands are connected with the Hessian but have other surnames. >> >>My grandmother, now age 97, made sure that her descendants grew up aware >>that our ancestor was this Hessian soldier. She also made sure that we >>knew that a son of the Hessian came to own Fort Necessity long after the >>French and Indian War. >> >>I read the list as often as possible. I regret that the records of my >>Hessian's service in the War are so sparse that I cannot piece together >>any of his engagements. >> >>Walt Warnick >> >> > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the Peace in 1783, the majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. >A quick check http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== Mail List archives are your best bet to find information, try http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L Remember the Hessian Soldier plaque - http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm

Dear Sonia, if you check our mail list archives I would suggest to look for the name RAUPENHEIMER, and you will find him. Cheers, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "sonia" <paulsonia@globetrotter.net> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:45 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} TR : Adam Ropenheimer > > Hi, Bonjour > Je cherche de l'information sur mon ancêtre Adam Ropenheimer, > pouvez-vous m'aider? > I am looking for information regarding Adam Ropenheimer, can you help > me? > > Sonia Godin

John, Thanks for your encouragement and your leads. I will certainly pursue them. And thanks, too, for explaining to me why it is particularly hard to learn about a particular Jaeger. Now, I much better understand the circumstances of their service. Walt Warnick ---------------- John Merz wrote: >Thank you Walt, > >with all those identified descendants of VESENBECKER/FAZENBAKER, >did you order enough Hessian Pins from Bob Fetters? >He tells us that he already ran out of them, sold out his first 500. >I think he better order the next batch, eh :). > >But let's get serious about the Hessian Jaegers during the RevWar. >It is pretty difficult and perhaps even impossible to tell exactly where >a particular Jaeger was employed at any given time, because they >were attached to different Regiments in smaller groups, and were >engaged in most areas and skirmishes. Always out front or securing >the flanks. Georg belonged to the 6. Company, which was commanded >by Captain/Major Ph. von Wurmb. This according to a small German >book written by Georg H. Wetzel, printed 1992, titled: >"Das Hochfuerstlich Hessische Feld-Jaeger Corps im Amerikanischen >Unabhaengigkeitskrieg 1776-1783." It lists all the engagements and it is >a very long list. It does not say which Jaeger units were specifically >involved. >But come to think of it, perhaps you can find more about the activities >in Johann Ewald's "Diary of the American War - A Hessian Journal, >translated and edited by Joseph P. Tustin, Yale University Press 1979. > >Well dear Walt, I just wanted to encourage you a little bit, and I hope >I succeeded. Greetings to your grandmother too. >Cheers >John Merz > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Walt Warnick" <ashlie@erols.com> >Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:31 PM >Subject: [HESSIAN] Still With You > > > > >>My "Hessian" ancestor is George Fazenbaker. Much of what I have learned >>about him is posted on the web at www.erols.com/ashlie/FAZENBAK.HTM I >>shared all this information with this list several years ago. >> >>The anglicized version of the German surname appears to be unique, so >>that all Fazenbakers in America are in some way connected with the >>Hessian. I have identified a couple thousand such people. More >>thousands are connected with the Hessian but have other surnames. >> >>My grandmother, now age 97, made sure that her descendants grew up aware >>that our ancestor was this Hessian soldier. She also made sure that we >>knew that a son of the Hessian came to own Fort Necessity long after the >>French and Indian War. >> >>I read the list as often as possible. I regret that the records of my >>Hessian's service in the War are so sparse that I cannot piece together >>any of his engagements. >> >>Walt Warnick >> >> > > >==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== >6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the Peace in 1783, the majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. >A quick check http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > > >

Thank you Bob, you have a sharp eye, in my list of Hessian Jaegers who deserted or did not return to the troops, which I pulled out of Hetrina IV and added to my Guide in Sep. 2001, I had missed this one, LUDWIG MERGEL (Hetrina does not give an age or place of birth for him) he was with the 4. Company, and Hetrina states that he became a prisoner in Feb.1777. We do know from other reports that this date was given for all prisoners taken at Trenton, first and second battle. The Schwalm listing of Trenton prisoners does show him as MERGELL, Ludwig , Feldjaeger, 4. Comp. Hessen-Kassel, on the list naming prisoners captured in the Second Battle of Trenton or The Princeton Campaign between 29 Dec 1776 through 2 Jan 1777. Now I wonder if I missed any others, and have to check Hetrina IV once more. Cheers, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "RC Brooks" <rcbrooks@pivot.net> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Re: Hessian Soldier Mengle > For what it is worth, I see a Jäger named (Ludwig?) Mergel on a transcribed list "A composite list of Hessian, Waldeck & British Prisoners located in Lancaster [PA] 1777 & 1778" published in _The Hessians_ (Millvile PA: JSHA, 1976), p. 237. Perhaps "Mergel" is a mistranscription for "Mengel." He was ermployed by James Mease, Esq., of Lancaster and was named. He was amoung the 372 men sent with Captain Opp who missed the POW exchange at Philadelphia in June 1778 because they were late getting to the rendezvous and the British had evacuated the place. Most of the men were exchanged at Elizabeth NJ a couple months later. > > I believe that the Jägers are partially listed in HETRINA IV which I no longer own. > > Bob Brooks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Mackey > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:19 PM > Subject: Hessian Soldier Mengle > > Mr. Mertz: > Would you have any information on a Hessian Soldier captured at the battle > of Trenton who later settled in the New Ringgold / Schuylkill Haven area of > Pennsylvania? Last name is Mengle, but could be listed as Mengel or Mengele. > > Thanks very much. > > Renda Mengle Mackey

sorry that date of preceding was to have been 1779 Ella ----- Original Message ----- From: "ella seigel" <ceseigel@joplin.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Re: Hessian Soldier Mengle > I don't know if this is of any help, but I have a Johann Manckel, rank M, > birthplace Wachenbuchen on a list with heading: > List of the present men in Virginia from the battalions of the Hessen-Hanau > Infantry Regiment Erbprinz, by companies. He is listed under First Vacant > Company. c. 1879, captured at the time, of course. don't know if this > helps. > Ella Seigel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> > To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:40 PM > Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Hessian Soldier Mengle > > > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > For your convenience, here are the mail list archives: > Please check the archives first, your answer may be there. > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > Subject Lines are a tool to create interest into your posting, > make it a good headline. > >

I don't know if this is of any help, but I have a Johann Manckel, rank M, birthplace Wachenbuchen on a list with heading: List of the present men in Virginia from the battalions of the Hessen-Hanau Infantry Regiment Erbprinz, by companies. He is listed under First Vacant Company. c. 1879, captured at the time, of course. don't know if this helps. Ella Seigel ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Hessian Soldier Mengle >

For what it is worth, I see a Jäger named (Ludwig?) Mergel on a transcribed list "A composite list of Hessian, Waldeck & British Prisoners located in Lancaster [PA] 1777 & 1778" published in _The Hessians_ (Millvile PA: JSHA, 1976), p. 237. Perhaps "Mergel" is a mistranscription for "Mengel." He was ermployed by James Mease, Esq., of Lancaster and was named. He was amoung the 372 men sent with Captain Opp who missed the POW exchange at Philadelphia in June 1778 because they were late getting to the rendezvous and the British had evacuated the place. Most of the men were exchanged at Elizabeth NJ a couple months later. I believe that the Jägers are partially listed in HETRINA IV which I no longer own. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: John Merz To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Hessian Soldier Mengle Hello Renda; The names Mengel or Menckel. or even Mengele and Mengle cannot be found on the Trenton prisoner list, although there were a MENNECKING, Hermann and a MENSCKER, Henrich. Henrich was later reported as having died (Hetrina III). Hermann of the Lossberg Regiment was wounded at time of capture (Hetrina II) There are many soldiers with names of MENGEL and MENCKEL listed in the Hessian troops, serving in the Revolution. It would be quite a job to go through all the files, particularly without the benefit of a first name. The location of his capture or desertion would have to be confirmed too, for instance I have one Menckel taken prisoner at Yorktown in Oct. 1781. Perhaps someone from our list can assist you further. Good luck in your search, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Mackey To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: Hessian Soldier Mengle Mr. Mertz: Would you have any information on a Hessian Soldier captured at the battle of Trenton who later settled in the New Ringgold / Schuylkill Haven area of Pennsylvania? Last name is Mengle, but could be listed as Mengel or Mengele. Thanks very much. Renda Mengle Mackey ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== HETRINA - "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" Six Volumes covering Hessen-Kassel, Hessen-Hanau, and Waldeck. HETRINA does not cover Braunschweig/Brunswick, Ansbach-Bayreuth or Anhalt-Zerbst. Those are partly covered by other publications. You'll find information in the keyword archive 1999 "26 feb 1999"

Hello Renda; The names Mengel or Menckel. or even Mengele and Mengle cannot be found on the Trenton prisoner list, although there were a MENNECKING, Hermann and a MENSCKER, Henrich. Henrich was later reported as having died (Hetrina III). Hermann of the Lossberg Regiment was wounded at time of capture (Hetrina II) There are many soldiers with names of MENGEL and MENCKEL listed in the Hessian troops, serving in the Revolution. It would be quite a job to go through all the files, particularly without the benefit of a first name. The location of his capture or desertion would have to be confirmed too, for instance I have one Menckel taken prisoner at Yorktown in Oct. 1781. Perhaps someone from our list can assist you further. Good luck in your search, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Mackey To: hessian@sympatico.ca Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: Hessian Soldier Mengle Mr. Mertz: Would you have any information on a Hessian Soldier captured at the battle of Trenton who later settled in the New Ringgold / Schuylkill Haven area of Pennsylvania? Last name is Mengle, but could be listed as Mengel or Mengele. Thanks very much. Renda Mengle Mackey

Forwarded to the AMREV-HESSIANS list: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:35 AM > ================================== > Source: BONSTEIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: NEW BONNSTEIN GENEALOGY LINEAGE > > HI Everybody, > Well, I got Pat Palmer's line added and the new info from Gunther Furhmanin > in Germany. He said he has found more from the 1830's to present. I'll be > adding that when he sends it. Sofar he has found 32 documents to be added in > SEpt to back up the info he has sent me already. Another addition is > pictures of Drylands Cemetery in Easton PA. Barbara a friend Imet through > the American Hessians mailinglist at rootsweb.com sent them. You can see > them at Bonstein History linked from my home page. There are no more head > stones in the old cemetery. The three stones pictured replaced all of the > stones.. (Such a loss is sad). She also explains about the rumor of Jacob > serving on the American side during the Rev War. Go read it.. Nelda > > First Generation > > 1. Cuntz Bonnstein. Born in lived in Ropperhausen, Germany. Occupation ®260. > He married Gela Bonnstein, maiden name un, Before 1630 in Germany. Born in > lived in Ropperhausen, Germany. > They had the following children: > 2 i. Johannes Bonnstein > 3 ii. Henrich Bonnstein > 4 iii. Henning Bonnstein > 5 iv. Margaretha Bonnstein > > Second Generation > > 2. Johannes Bonnstein. Son of Cuntz Bonnstein & Gela Bonnstein, maiden name > un. Born About 1630 in Grossropperhousen Cassel, Germany. Occupation > Shepard. > > 3. Henrich Bonnstein. Son of Cuntz Bonnstein & Gela Bonnstein, maiden name > un. Born in Possible brother of Henning. > He married First name unk. Bonnstein, maiden unk.. > They had the following children: > 6 i. Anna Catharina Bonnstein > > 4. Henning Bonnstein. Son of Cuntz Bonnstein & Gela Bonnstein, maiden name > un. Born 1640 in Grossropperhausen, Germany. Education ®260. > Research: ®387 > He married First name unk Bonstein, Maiden Name Unk, Before 1665. > They had the following children: > 7 i. Christian Bonnstein > 8 ii. Paulus (Paul) Bonstein > 9 iii. Anna Elisabeth Bonstein > > 5. Margaretha Bonnstein. Daughter of Cuntz Bonnstein & Gela Bonnstein, > maiden name un. Born 1645 in Grossropperhausen, Germany. Christen Aug 1645 > in Grossropperhausen, Germany on the 9th Sunday after Trinity. > > Third Generation > > 6. Anna Catharina Bonnstein. Daughter of Henrich Bonnstein & First name unk. > Bonnstein, maiden unk.. Born in dates unk. > She married not married Bonnstein. > They had the following children: > 10 i. Anna Margaretha Bonnstein > > 7. Christian Bonnstein. Son of Henning Bonnstein & First name unk Bonstein, > Maiden Name Unk. Born 1665 in Kranners, Germany. Died 22 Apr 1740. > He first married Barbara Bonstein, Maiden Name Unk, Before 1688. Born 1665 > in Kranners, Germany. Died 8 Mar 1712. > They had the following children: > 11 i. Connrad Bonstein > 12 ii. Lorentz (Lohrentz Laurentius) Bonnstein > 13 iii. Johann Paulus (Paul) Bonnstein > He second married Anna Eva Becker, daughter of Henrich Becker & First name > unk Becker, Maiden Name Unk., 6 Oct 1713 in Kranners, Braunschweigischen, > Germany. Born 1677 in Germany?. Died 1752 in at age 75. Buried 31 Oct 1752. > > 8. Paulus (Paul) Bonstein. Son of Henning Bonnstein & First name unk > Bonstein, Maiden Name Unk. Born in Kranners, Braunschweigischen, Germany. > Research: ®388 > > 9. Anna Elisabeth Bonstein. Daughter of Henning Bonnstein & First name unk > Bonstein, Maiden Name Unk. Born 15 Sep 1674 in Kranners/Grossropperhausen, > Germany. Christen 18 Sep 1674 in sponcers Elizabeth Kraffts, Johannes > Kraffts daughter. Died 12 Oct 1674 in Grossropperhausen, Germany. > Fourth Generation > > 10. Anna Margaretha Bonnstein. Daughter of not married Bonnstein & Anna > Catharina Bonnstein. Born in illegimate birth. Died 4 Mar 1690 in > Grossropperhausen, Germany. > > 11. Connrad Bonstein. Son of Christian Bonnstein & Barbara Bonstein, Maiden > Name Unk. Born 1688 in Kranners, Germany. Died 3 Jan 1745 in at age 57. > Buried in Grossropperhausen, Germany. Occupation resided at > Grossropperhausen, Germany. > He married Anna Eva Kuhn, daughter of Johannes Kuhn & First name unk. Kuhn, > Maiden Name Unk., 21 Jul 1713 in Grossropperhausen Germany. Born 1679 in > Hauptschwemda, Germany. Died 21 Apr 1754 in Grossropperhausen, Germany at > age 75. > They had the following children: > 14 i. Anna Eva Bonstein > > 12. Lorentz (Lohrentz Laurentius) Bonnstein. Son of Christian Bonnstein & > Barbara Bonstein, Maiden Name Unk. Born 2 Oct 1690 in Grossropperhousen > Germany date estimated. Christen 7 Oct 1690 in ®438. Buried 19 Feb 1756 in > at age 67. Occupation Sheppard (Boenstein). > Research: ®386 > He married Anna Ruthard, daughter of Johannes R. Ruthard & First name unk. > Ruthard, Maiden Name Unk., 20 May 1722 in Grossropperhausen, Germany. Born > 1688. Died 2 Jun 1749 in at age 62. > They had the following children: > 15 i. Anna Elisabeth Bonnstein > > 13. Johann Paulus (Paul) Bonnstein. Son of Christian Bonnstein & Barbara > Bonstein, Maiden Name Unk. Born 1692. Christen 1692 in on the 17th Sunday > after Trinity 1692. Died 19 Oct 1781 in Germany, 88 yrs 10 months. > Occupation Sheppard in Grossropperhousen Germany. > He first married Elizabeth Teutscher, daughter of Gerherd Teutscher & Anna > Eva Wenchenberg, 26 Oct 1714. Born 1685. Died 28 Dec 1739 in Germany at the > age of 54 yrs 9 months 14 days. Occupation she is Widow Wiegand and married > Bonnstein with this surname. > They had the following children: > 16 i. Laurentius (Lorenz) Bonstein > He second married Anna Margretha Sauer, daughter of Johannes S. Sauer & Anna > Catharina Vogel, 12 Dec 1740. Born Aug 1700 in Grossropperhausen, Germany. > Christen 15 Aug 1700 in Grossropperhausen, Germany. Died 9 Jan 1774 in > Grossropperhausen, Germany. > Research: there are no known children fom this union. > > Fifth Generation > > 14. Anna Eva Bonstein. Daughter of Connrad Bonstein & Anna Eva Kuhn. Born 9 > Mar 1717 in Grossropperhausen, Germany. Christen 12 Mar 1717 in > Grossropperhausen, Germany. Occupation sponcer is Anna Eva Bonstein nee > Becker her step grandmother. > > 15. Anna Elisabeth Bonnstein. Daughter of Lorentz (Lohrentz Laurentius) > Bonnstein & Anna Ruthard. Born 24 Jan 1724 in Grossropperhausen, Germany. > Christen in sponsor Elisabeth Bonnstein her Aunt. Paulus's wife. > She married Johann Jacob Sohl, son of Johannes Sohl & First name unk Sohl, > maiden name unk., 6 Oct 1749 in Grossropperhausen, Germany. Born About 1720 > in Christerode, Germany. > > 16. Laurentius (Lorenz) Bonstein. Son of Johann Paulus (Paul) Bonnstein & > Elizabeth Teutscher. Born 5 Feb 1716 in Grossropperhausen, Cassel, Germany. > Christen 9 Feb 1716 in Grossropperhausen, Germany. Occupation Shepard. > Research: ®389 > He first married Hedwig Lingemann, daughter of Johannes L. Lingemann & > Barbara Nickel, 8 Mar 1740 in Grossropperhausen, Cassell, Germany. Born May > 1717 in Grossropperhousen Cassel, Germany. Christen 9 May 1717 in > Grossropperhausen, Germany. Died 27 Dec 1775 in Germany at age 58. Buried 29 > Dec 1775. > They had the following children: > 17 i. Paulus (#2) Bonstein > 18 ii. Martha Elisabeth Bonstein > 19 iii. Johannes Bonnstein > 20 iv. Johann Jacob (I) Bonstein > 21 v. Anna Bonstein > He second married First name unk. Bonstein, Maiden Name Unk. > Research: no known children born of this union > > NEXT GENERATION NEXT EMAIL > > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG > Beatty #005 & #10; Graves #231 > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >