Forwarded to AMREV-HESSIANS mail list - a historical account: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan & George Wolf" <71532.734@compuserve.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:07 =================================== > Source: HINDS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: NJ Haines in War of Independance. > > Hi: > Use your Find feature to find the several mentions of Haines in the > article below. > > Regards > Nan 71532.734@compuserve.com > ============================ > Found at: > http://www.roadtomonmouth.com/mthollyarticle.html > > RETREAT OF THE BRITISH ARMY THROUGH THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY Some Of The > Data In This Authentic Story Was Taken From An Order Book Found On the > Field After The Battle of Monmouth. > > (From the Mount Holly Herald dated July 19, 1924) > > Beginning this week and continuing for the next few issues, the Herald will > print the full story of the Retreat of the British Army across Burlington > county in June 1778, as prepared and read by Judge William A. Slaughter at > a meeting of the Fortnightly Club, of Mount Holly, on March 3, 1924. > > The story has not been presented to our readers without considerable time > and attention being devoted to it by the author and should prove > interesting reading to all Jerseymen who are interested in the history of > their state and the part its residents played in the Revolutionary War. > > Owing to the length of the paper it is impossible for us to print it in its > entirety in one edition so it has been divided into sections and will > appear in serial form for the next three and four weeks. > > Readers desiring extra copies of the paper may secure same by promptly > notifying us. > > Foreward > After the battle of Monmouth an order book, belonging to the British Army, > was found on the battlefield and afterwards presented to the State Library > at Trenton. In the following notes the parts which are printed in bold face > are copied verbatim for the order book and give the parole, countersign, > equipment, time of march and order of march of the British Army while in > Philadelphia and while on the march through Burlington county before the > battle near Freehold. > > May 29th, 1778 > The men to bring with them their Camp Kettles, Cantines, Tommyhawks and > every necessary article they are to carry on the march. > > May 30th, 1778 > No officer is to quit camp without leave from the Commanding Officer nor is > any servant or soldiers to be sent to town without a written pass from the > commanding officer. > > The rolls are to be called frequent at such times as the Captain of > Subaltern of the day may direct. The soldiers are not to straggle into the > wood, nor go beyond the sentrys. As the Regiment may be subject to sudden > alarms particularly at night. The mens accoutrements must be hung up > conveniently so that they may be able to turn out instantly and form in > front of their huts. > > On the 8th of May, 1778, and expedition commanded by Captain Henry, of the > British Navy, with about seven hundred troops under the command of Major > Maitland, ascended the Delaware River. After destroying much shipping they > landed at Bordentown, burned the houses of Judge Joseph Borden and of > Colonel Joseph Kirkbride on the Pennsylvania shore opposite. [This action > was in retaliation for an attempt to damage the British Fleet docked at > Philadelphia the previous fall, known as The Battle of the Kegs. A poem by > Francis Hopkinson, signer of the Declaration, parodied this event.] > > Soon after this expedition, Sir Henry Clinton succeded Sir William Howe in > command of the British army. The determination of the French to succor the > colonies with a fleet rendered it unsafe for the enemy to longer hold > Philadelphia, lest their shipping might be blockaded in the Delaware River. > To move by water might give Washington an opportunity of reaching New York > by forced marches ahead of them. Therefore it was decided to march through > the Jerseys. That Washington was aware of their intention is shown by the > following notice, inserted over three weeks in advance of the movement in > the New Jersey Gazette of May 27th: The militia of this state are desired > to be particularly attentive to signals, as movement of the enemy is soon > expected. > > A little before dawn on the morning of the 18th of June, 1778, they > evacuated the city, and before night the motley crew of British regulars, > loyalists and Hessians and a vast crowd of camp followers had crossed the > Delaware and were encamped in Jersey. General Maxwell, with the Jersey > Brigade of Continental Troops had been sent prior to this to take position > of the difficult pass near Mount Holly. General Dickinson was assembling > the militia with great energy, and had already commenced the destruction of > the bridges, the felling of trees across the roads and other impediments to > delay their march. > > General Clinton moved with great deliberation, passing through Haddonfield, > Mount Laurel, Eayrestown, Lumberton, Mount Holly, Jacksonville (Slabtown), > Columbus (Black Horse), Mansfield, Bordentown and Crosswicks. > > Just before dawn of June 18th, 1778, the British began their evacuation of > Philadelphia; they crossed the Delaware to Gloucester Point and that > evening camped around Haddonfield a few miles southeast from Camden, N. J. > The news of this evacuation reached Washington at Valley Forge before > morning. He immediately sent General Maxwell with his brigade to cooperate > with the New Jersey militia under General Dickinson in retarding the march > of the British, who when they crossed the river were 17,000 strong in > effective men. > > The remainder of the army, under the immediate command of Washington > crossed the Delaware and pursued in a parallel line at first, prepared to > strike whenever an opportunity should offer, while Clinton wished to avoid > a battle for he was encumbered with baggage-wagons and a host of camp > followers, making his line 12 miles in length. > > The British lost 1,000 men by desertion while crossing New Jersey. 59 died > of terrible heat at Monmouth and more than 50 Americans died from the same > cause. (Harpers Encyclopedia of United States History). > > Another account says: The heat was terrible, the mosquitoes bad beyond > description many of the mens faces were swollen beyond recognition many of > the Hessians deserted. > > Calendar > 1778 > > June 18 Haddonfield > > June 19 Evesham, (Mount Laurel) > > June 20th and 21st ....Mount Holly > > June 22 Black Horse and Mansfield > > June 23 ..Crosswicks > > [June 24 ..Allentown] > > June 28 ..Monmouth A hot Sabbath day. > > Headquarters > Evesham, 19th June, 1778 > > Parole Jersey C. S. Brunswick > The Troops to be in readiness to march tomorrow at 3 oclock in the > following order: Hessian Chasseurs, Queens Rangers, 63rd > Regiment with 2 six pounders, Hogdens Troops and trenching tools and > baggage, 26th Regiment, 7th Regiment and two 3 pounders. > > The wagons to be loaded and to haul into the road according to the line of > march at half past two oclock. > > William R. Lippincott in his delightful Traditions of Old Evesham Township > says: A road is mentioned in some papers of an early date called the Great > Road from Haddonfield to Mount Holly, it passed over the north side of the > Mount (Laurel); it was very crooked to avoid hills, streams and swamps and > the soil generally sandy which made it better to travel in wet weather. > There is no doubt but that this road was an old Indian trail cleared out > and used by the public as there does not seem to be any official record of > it. Traces of the old road may still (1911) be seen in the woods on the > hill sides. (Page 5.) > > Both the British troops and the Colonial militia are said to have occupied > the Meeting House different times during the Revolutionary War. It is said > that the wing which has been torn away was used by the British as a > commissary department for a short time. > > Mem: Some years ago in underdraining a meadow in this neighborhood, the > workmen uncovered an old corduroy road built by the British. > > Mem: The Meeting House at Evesham, Mount Laurel, was built in 1760. > > From inquiries I have made of very reliable people, in reference to these > traditions, I have every reason to believe them true. There is no doubt > that when the British left Philadelphia and marched to Monmouth that a > detachment of troops came by way of Haddonfield to Mount Holly, and > recalling incidents I remember to have heard some of the old people relate, > troops visited the houses then standing near their route of march and > plundered the inhabitants. There is an incident connected with an old brick > house on the White Horse Road, about one mile southeast of Fellowship, just > over the Mount Laurel Township line in Camden county. The kitchen part of > this old mansion is not far from the road as it now runs, while the larger > part of the house, built more than a hundred years ago in the Colonial > style fronts what is now the back yard. It is said it fronted the road when > it was built. Whether or not the Great Road passed in front of this > dwelling I cannot tell, but the old part first spoken of was standing at > the time of the Revolution. The British troops came there to plunder; an > officer ordered a colored man, belonging to the place to hold his horse > while he went into the house, the colored man hated the British and refused > to obey the command, upon which the officer drew his sword and would have > run it through the negro if another officer had not protected him. > > The Historical Collections of New Jersey, published in 1844 give an account > of Jonathan Beesley, a Captain in the Cumberland County Militia who was > mortally wounded by the British in the march across New Jersey in June > 1778. The Historian writes as follows: Arduous in the cause and guided by a > sense of duty he paid little regard for his personal safety. He was in the > neighborhood of Haddonfield, reconnoitering with two other officers, when > they where fired upon by a party of British secreted in a rye field. He > fell mortally wounded into their hands. He was conducted to the enemys camp > and questioned respecting the situation and probable movements of > Washingtons Army, but peremptorily refused to give them any information. > Finding that neither entreaties or threats would prevail in extorting > anything from him, and take proper care of him, remarking that so brave a > man should not be treated with indignity. The British took him with them on > their march and left him at a house, owned by Hinchman Haines, about a mile > southeast of Mount Laurel; this house was torn down about 1881. > > There is a legend that after the officers death occurred at the old house, > a phantom horseman was seen to emerge from it, whose appearance always > meant death to some of the British; if any where in the neighborhood, but > this phantom apparently disappeared at the close of the Revolution, feeling > its mission was ended after the countrys freedom was gained. Not very far > above Coxs Corner, on the road to Medford and close to the old brick house > now (1911) owned by William Jones, a man was killed by the British and > buried in the yard, but few of the farm houses on the line of march escaped > a visit. > > On the farm now (1911) owned by Charles D. Jones many different scenes have > been enacted. This place was owned at the time of the Revolution by a plain > Friend, Nathan Haines, of Evesham. His tombstone is south of where old > Coles church stood in the old ground of Colestown cemetery. There is no > military prefix to the name on the tombstone, although Nathan raised a > company of soldiers for the Revolution. Nathan was opposed to war, and > convinced that it was at variance with his Quaker principles, no doubt > would have lived up to his convictions had he been a bachelor, but he was > not a bachelor. In fact, he had a second wife he had his second wife, who > was formerly Dorcas Pendegrast, she came from the West Indies, and at the > breaking out of the Revolution she had the conviction that a man with the > wealth and influence of her husband should be patriotic enough to use his > influence for the benefit of his country. The conviction Dorcas prevailed, > Nathan raised a company and marched with it to Amboy. Uniforms in those > days were not plenty among the militia and Nathan wore his Quaker garb. > There is an old story that they passed by a place where a parrot was in a > cage, hanging by the roadside. The parrot noticing Nathans dress called out > Quaker, Quaker a fighting Quaker. But Nathan was not a fighting Quaker. He > differed in that respect from some who went to the Army to declared: > > That in the cause of Freedoms Day > > There is time to fight and pray. > > Nathan got back home as soon as possible where he was captured by the > British, and taken by them to Haddonfield, but finding that there was not > much harm in him, it is said that they soon let him go but they took good > care to plunder his place of everything that was, in any way valuable to > them, driving off the cattle and horses. None of the stock was recovered, > excepting one fine spirited horse that broke away from its captors, and was > found the next morning after the British took their departure, standing at > the farm gate. > > About the year 1861, there was a piece of timber standing on land adjoining > the Nathan Haines farm, where it is said the Haines family buried their > silverware and other valuables before their place was visited by the > British. > > There was an old farm house standing on the west side of Church Road, some > distance from the woods at that time, to which the British paid a visit. > Marks of their visit were still visible on the framework when the house was > torn down many years ago. > > It was probably in this neighborhood that an incident occurred which has > been handed down to us by way of tradition: A well to do Quakers has only > just about time to bury his valuables when the vanguard of the British > appeared. The freshly turned earth was sure to betray the secret hiding > place. He was in a great quandary. Running to the corn crib he quickly > shelled some corn and threw the loose grain in generous abundance over the > newly turned ground. He then called up all his poultry and turned his pigs > loose on the spot. The chickens scratched and the pigs rooted like all > possessed and when the troops arrived the ground appeared to have their > innocent exertions and the troops never suspected anything to the contrary. > > Tradition says that at least some of the British troops passed through > Eayrestown and Lumberton, they arrived at Mount Holly two days after > leaving Mount Laurel, distance readily covered now in thirty minutes in an > automobile. > > While at Mount Holly the British destroyed the Iron Works near the bridge > on Pine street, upon learning that the cannon balls and sheet iron for army > kettles had been made there for the Army; they also destroyed the mill on > the Millbrook-Mather farm on Rancocas Road and destroyed the Presbyterian > church of the Reverend John Brainerd, being incensed at him for a patriotic > sermon which he had preached urging the Americans to enlist and fight for > their country and using for his text: Blessed be the Lord my God, who > teacheth my fingers to fight and my hands to war. This church stood on > Brainerd street and tradition says that the British first used it as a > stable before setting fire to it. > > It was at this time that the Hazelhurst family buried their silver to > conceal it from the British and it was so well concealed that no one has > yet found it. While here some of the British Officers took a meal at the > Hazelhurst place and during the meal proposed the toast To the King. To > refuse to drink that toast was to be considered a rebel. Nothing daunted a > little boy of the Hazelhurst family gave them the counter toast To General > Washington, to the great amusement of the officers. Another local tradition > is to effect that here at Hazelhursts was held an Office Conference, the > result of which was the British changed their original plans and that this > change of plans deceived the Americans and delayed their attack until > Monmouth was reached. > > In the woods at Smithville are some earthenworks which were probably thrown > up by the Americans at the time to prevent the crossing of the creek at > that point. > > At Hainesport occurred an exploit worthy of being ranked with the defense > of Thermopylae by the Spartans; the bridge over the Rancocas Creek at that > point had been destroyed and a small band of American riflemen took their > station in a house on the east bank of the creek and disputed the crossing > to the last extremity. When the British finally crossed the creek they > refused to surrender and kept up their defense to the last, being burnt > with the house by the British, according to the diary kept by General > Clintons secretary at the time which is the only account we have of it. > These heroes of Hainesport deserve to have their brave deed better known. >

My ancestor fought in Pelham. In the "Battle of White Plains" , Monday, October 28, 1776 there were over 1,000 dead as reported in the diary of Captain Johann Ewald, who counted the bodies after the battle. Wonder where all those bodies were buried? The translation of Ewald's diary was done by the late Joseph Tustin. More details at the web site below. My Hessian ancestor at: http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/Schilling.html Ed Maul Westchester County Genealogical Society (WCGS)

<As far as BIESE / BISSIE / BISE is concerned, there are many possibilities, and it would take me many hours to dig through, which I cannot afford to spare for free. Just to give you a hint, there was a Henrich BIESE in the v.Bose Regiment (Hetrina II), a BIESE, Philipp in the v.Knyphausen Regt. (Hetrina III), and perhaps other name variations like BAESE, two of that name with the Brunswickers. But the foregoing should encourage you to keep searching, and perhaps some other contributors, like experts of the Knyphausen Regt. could help you here. You know we have many subscribers with their own specific research fields, who could jump in. Cheers, John Merz, http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian> Is there someplace on the internet where one can find information on these regiments, i.e name listing and such? Thanks Richard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dear John and List Members: My name is Blake Bell. I am Deputy Town Historian of the Town of Pelham, New York where German and British troops fought against American Soldiers led by Col. John Glover in the Battle of Pelham (a/k/a the Battle of Pell's Point) on October 18, 1776. I have been researching information regarding my G-G-G-G-G-G-Grandfather, Jakob Holzapfel who served as a Private, 4. Comp., Hesse-Kassel Regt. Erbprinz, on Muster Roll 0/1775 (HETRINA III, #8113-14). I am grateful for the assistance Messrs. Merz, Brooks and others have provided to me via this list. In return, I write to alert list members to a wonderful article recently published by David Osborn, Site Manager of St. Paul's Church National Historic Site in Mount Vernon, NY. St. Paul's, only half built at the time, was used as a field hospital for the German and British Troops following the Battle of Pelham while they regrouped for the move to New Rochelle and then Northwest for the Battle of White Plains on October 28, 1776. For many years there has stood in the graveyard behind the church a monument marking the burial of unknown Hessian soldiers. The monument reads: "This Marks the Site of the Sand Pit in Which Are Buried Those Hessian Soldiers Who Died in the Church When Used as a Hospital 1776. Erected by Bronx Charter D.A.R. 1910". A recent photograph of the memorial is located here: http://www.historicpelham.com/Markers/MemHessians.htm. In the Winter 2004 quarterly publication known as The Westchester Historian published by the Westchester County Historical Society, there is a wonderful article by Mr. Osborn entitled Who Were the Hessians? I highly recommend the article! Here is a full citation to the article: Osborn, David, Who Were the Hessians, The Westchester Historian, Vol. 80, No. 1, pp. 4-11 (Winter 2004). To read more about the publication, go here: http://www.westchesterhistory.com/Pubs3.html Mr. Osborn's article states, in part, at page 8 as follows (footnotes omitted): "Estimates of the number of soldiers buried in the pit sometimes reached 100, but the actual number seems to have been much smaller. In fact, a search for more information about the men buried there led to a recent discovery. "Records housed at the Hessian state archives in Marburg, Germany, indicate that five men from the Regiment von Knyphausen "sind an Kranheit im Lazarett vor New York gestorben" or "died from illness in hospital outside New York," in October and November 1776. This information corresponds with the regiment's occupation of the half-completed church, making it very probable that the remains of those five soldiers are interred in the sand pit at the back of St. Paul's Cemetery. "The five soldiers were all privates, ranging in age from 21 to 28 years old, as follows: Heinrich Euler, born in 1749, from the town of Gehau in Hessen, a private serving in the third company of the Regiment von Knyphausen; Conrad Roth, born in 1753, from the town of Friedigerode in Hessen, a private serving in the second company of the Regiment von Knyphausen; Johann Heinrich Grein, born January 3, 1755, from the town of Mengsberg in Hessen, a private serving in the fourth company of the Regiment von Knyphausen. Information obtained from the church archives in Mengsberg showed that Grein was confirmed in the local Protestant church in 1769 at the age of 14, and that his parents, Johannes and Anna Martha, had been married in 1742. Additionally, there was Daniel Schaef, born in 1754, from the town of Treysa, a private serving in the fifth company of the Regiment von Knyphausen, and Ludwig Juppert, a private in the Regiment von Knyphausen." I hope this information is of interest and assistance to many of you following Mr. Merz's important Listserv! I am always very, very interested to learn as much as possible regarding the movements of the Hesse-Kassel Regt. Erbprinz between about October 12, 1776 and October 28, 1776 since I am interested in the odd coincidence that my G-G-G-G-G-G-Grandfather, Jakob Holzapfel, likely fought within a few miles of the location I have chosen for my home! Best regards, Blake A. Bell

From: <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:45 PM > ================================ > Source: CLAUS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Kaspar CLAUS, Hessian soldier settled in Marysburgh, Upper Canada. > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: CLAUS, CLAUSE, CLAWSE > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IGJ.2ACIB/71 > > Message Board Post: > > A friendly Hello to all you CLAUS family researchers! > > There seems to be some confusion about the roots of > the CLAUS/CLAUSE families who settled in the Upper > Canada areas after the American Revolution. As I can see > from postings on this Rootsweb Board not even 6 weeks > back, a good deal of effort has been devoted to dig to the > bottom of this mystery. Perhaps I can help a bit in clearing > up some brickwalls. > > From my perspective there are more than one CLAUS who > can claim to be an original settler. There is the one, > Daniel CLAUS who was in America long before the American revolution and joined the Loyalists and the British Indian Department, and was associated with the famous Mohawk chief Joseph Brant. I have not studied his family tree nor his actions, but I do know that he went to England to present his case and died there during this undertaking. His family probably stayed in Upper Canada, but I have no idea where settled. > > What I do know is that there was another CLAUS, first > name Kaspar (or Caspar - same thing), who was a Jaeger > with the Hessen-Hanau Jaeger Corps, served in the 4.Comp. > from 1777 to July 1783 in Quebec, and was discharged in > Quebec before his Corps went back home. > > He was born appr. 1757/58 in Gelnhausen in Hessen, near > the City of Hanau, where the Prince of Hanau had assembled > a whole Regiment of Grenadiers to help his uncle, King > George III of England, to win the war against the American > rebels and to defend Canada. The Jaegers were send over > after the rebels defeated the British at Saratoga in Oct.1777. > and those Jaegers defended Canada from there on. > > However, this Jaeger Casper CLAUS, after his discharge, > came with a group of other German soldiers to Township > #5 Marysburgh on Lake Ontario, Bay of Quinte , under the > leadership of the Brunswick Lieutenant Baron von > Reitzenstein and arrived there on 4. October 1784 to settle > under the most difficult circumstances. > > In Reverend Langhorn's church records you can find an > entry: "John Gasper Claus, 5th Ts., bachelor, married > Deborah BROCK, of the 4th Ts., spinster, 17 May 1790. > Wedding took place at the St. Paul's Church, Fredericksburg, > witnesses were John Allen, Barnard Cole, and Catherine > Cole. > > Later you find: Jas. Gasper CLAUS and wife Deborah > baptised daughter Deborah Susan Elizabeth, 15 June 1791, > sponsors were Gasper Claus and Henry RIMMERMANN > (Heinrich Roemermann, a former Brunswick soldier and > also belonging to the same group of settlers). > > All this and more you can find in my book "The Hessians > of Upper Canada" published 1997, on deposit at the > Rose House Museum, Waupoos, and many other Genealogical or Historical Societies. > > And last not least, I would like to mention that on > Saturday, 21. August 2004, at the Rose House Museum > a "Hessian Day" will be celebrated, with big tent, music, food, > and entertainment, and many descendants will come to > meet old and new cousins of these hardy settlers. > > I will be there as well. > John Helmut Merz, hessian@sympatico.ca > researching Hessian soldiers of the American Revolution. >

Complement : Mary HENRY, who was the daughter of "Joseph Tisseau de Henry" was : Marie-Marguerite TESSON dit HONORÉ, daughter of Joseph TESSON dit HONORÉ and Marie-Angélique RAYMOND. She was born 18 Mar. 1769 at Laprairie (Quebec). Dominique Ritchot John Merz a écrit : > Subject: James DAINARD - Jacob DEHNERT, Brunswick soldier. > > RootsWeb Message Boards - Message > James DAINARD - Jacob DEHNERT, Brunswick soldier in TS#5. > Brunswick soldier in TS#5, Marysburg, Ont. > Author: John Helmut Merz > Date: 11 Jul 2004 7:27 PM GMT > > > > Judging by previous postings to this Message Board, I am > > on the right Board, even though the correct German name > > of your ancestor was Jacob DEHNERT, a soldier with > > the Brunswick troops who were hired by King George III > > to defend Canada against the American rebels. And as > > history has shown, it was a good move by ol' George III, > > because when the American invaders trying to capture > > the fortress of Quebec City, saw the big fleet of warships > > come up the St. Lawrence river with the Brunswick and > > Hanau troops on board, they left their lunch in their > > frying pans and took off as fast as they could run. Yeah! > > They hadn't even met Jacob and his comrades yet. > > > > But historical lessons aside, Jacob Dehnert was discharged in > > Quebec in 1783, and in Oct. 1784 arrived with the > > group of Hessian/Brunswick soldiers under the leadership > > of the Brunswick Lieutenant Baron von Reitzenstein at > > the Fifth Township, Marysburgh, Upper Canada. These > > were the first settlers of Hessian soldiers as a group in > > Ontario. A historical plaque in front of the Rose House > > Museum commemorates this event. > > > > Jacob DEHNERT himself is found on many land records > > and Muster Rolls by a variety of names, from DAINARD > > and DAYNARD to DENNART, DANARD, DENARD, and > > even VENERT. In the Old UEL Lists he is named: > > DENHART, James, Marysburg, Soldier German troops > > per Provision list. > > A descendant I have corresponded with years ago, told me > > that Jacob married a woman by the name of Mary Henry, > > who was the daughter of 'Joseph Tisseau de Henry', of > > Adolphustown, where he had property and died. He may > > have been known as "Tanner". Had 4 children: Joseph, Mary, > > Sophia, and Peter. > > Mary first married Gaspard Mack (Mauch - see Mauck File) > > at Christ Church Cathedral in Montreal (Jan 1785). > > Mauck died in 1792, after which Mary married Jacob Dehnert, > > who was locally known as James Denhart, appr. in 1796. > > No marriahe record has been found. ( I took all this info. > > from my book "The Hessians of Upper Canada", which is > > deposited in many local Libraries and at the Rose Museum. > > > or write to me direct > > John Helmut Merz. hessian@sympatico.ca > > Researcher of Hessian soldier of the American Revolution. > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm

Subject: James DAINARD - Jacob DEHNERT, Brunswick soldier. RootsWeb Message Boards - Message James DAINARD - Jacob DEHNERT, Brunswick soldier in TS#5. Brunswick soldier in TS#5, Marysburg, Ont. Author: John Helmut Merz Date: 11 Jul 2004 7:27 PM GMT > > Judging by previous postings to this Message Board, I am > on the right Board, even though the correct German name > of your ancestor was Jacob DEHNERT, a soldier with > the Brunswick troops who were hired by King George III > to defend Canada against the American rebels. And as > history has shown, it was a good move by ol' George III, > because when the American invaders trying to capture > the fortress of Quebec City, saw the big fleet of warships > come up the St. Lawrence river with the Brunswick and > Hanau troops on board, they left their lunch in their > frying pans and took off as fast as they could run. Yeah! > They hadn't even met Jacob and his comrades yet. > > But historical lessons aside, Jacob Dehnert was discharged in > Quebec in 1783, and in Oct. 1784 arrived with the > group of Hessian/Brunswick soldiers under the leadership > of the Brunswick Lieutenant Baron von Reitzenstein at > the Fifth Township, Marysburgh, Upper Canada. These > were the first settlers of Hessian soldiers as a group in > Ontario. A historical plaque in front of the Rose House > Museum commemorates this event. > > Jacob DEHNERT himself is found on many land records > and Muster Rolls by a variety of names, from DAINARD > and DAYNARD to DENNART, DANARD, DENARD, and > even VENERT. In the Old UEL Lists he is named: > DENHART, James, Marysburg, Soldier German troops > per Provision list. > A descendant I have corresponded with years ago, told me > that Jacob married a woman by the name of Mary Henry, > who was the daughter of 'Joseph Tisseau de Henry', of > Adolphustown, where he had property and died. He may > have been known as "Tanner". Had 4 children: Joseph, Mary, > Sophia, and Peter. > Mary first married Gaspard Mack (Mauch - see Mauck File) > at Christ Church Cathedral in Montreal (Jan 1785). > Mauck died in 1792, after which Mary married Jacob Dehnert, > who was locally known as James Denhart, appr. in 1796. > No marriahe record has been found. ( I took all this info. > from my book "The Hessians of Upper Canada", which is > deposited in many local Libraries and at the Rose Museum. > > Talking of the Rose House Museum, on > Saturday, 21. August 3004, starting in the morning, there > will be a gathering of Descendants of this first Hessian > settlers in Marysburg to celebrate "Hessian Day", with > music, food, and entertainment. Please marl this on your > calender and come and join old and new cousins. There > will be a presentation of a Bronze "Hessian Soldier" Plaque. > to honour those first hardy settlers of Marysburg. > > I would appreciate if you would advise all descendants > of those early settlers you know of these event. > All are welcome to participate. > More information from the Rose House Museum, e-mail > rosemuseum@pecounty.on.ca > > or write to me direct > John Helmut Merz. hessian@sympatico.ca > Researcher of Hessian soldier of the American Revolution. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm

Forwarded to list: > Source: SCHNEIDER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: SCHNEIDER, Ernst, Hessian settler at Marysburg, Ontario, 1784. > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Message Board URL: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lgFBAEB/1441 > > Message Board Post: > > Having searched for this man through 1775 postings on > this Message Board without success, I truly wonder why > nobody has been looking for this early Upper Canada > pioneer, who settled in Township #5 Marysburgh, Quinte > Isle, Lake Ontario. > > He was supposed to be a Hessian soldier of King George III > who came here during the American Revolution, but due > to the great numbers of soldiers with the name SCHNEIDER > a definite identification was not possible with the facts > we have found so far. > > Fact is that in the Papers and Records of the Ontario > Historical Society, Vol.21 (1924) pages 259-60 he is mentioned as follows: > > "One of the Hessian Settlers, Ernest SCHNEIDER, had > a big nose, and some local humorist, seeing a resemblance > between a sharp rock forming a point on the lake shore > and Schneider's nasal organ, brought the point into > geographical recognition by giving it the name of > "Schneider's Nose". (This article was by Alexander Smith, > and was titled: "Some Hessians of the U.E.L. settlement > in Marysburgh" > > I personally have a long list of Schneider soldiers of the > Hessian and Brunswicker troops stationed in Quebec > during the American Revolution, but I was unable so far > to pinpoint which one of them could be him, there was > not one with a first name of Ernst (Ernest), but many > with the first name of Johann or Johannes. Help is needed > here, but reason for this posting is actually to advise of > an event taking place on > > Saturday, 21. August 2004 at the Rose House Museum, > ========================================== > Waupoos, near Picton, to commemorate the 220th year > of the arrival of the Hessian soldier settlers at the Fifth > Township on Quinte Island in Oct. 1784. Big tent, music, > food and entertainment and many Hessian descendants > are meeting old an new cousins. I myself will present a > Bronze 'Hessian Soldier" Plaque to the Museum, and will > have available a booklet "The Hessians of Marysburg". > > For more information call me direct or e-mail > the Rose Museum rosemuseum@pecounty.on.ca > > With my best regards, > John Helmut Merz, hessian@sympatico.ca > researching Hessian soldiers of the American Revolution. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm

From the Rootsweb Message Board SCHMIDT: Heinrich Schmidt - Brunswick soldier of the American Revolution. > Author: John Helmut Merz > Date: 09 Jul 2004 12:26 AM GMT > > While checking the list of settlers at the Fifth Township > in Upper Canada - (Marysburg) on Quinte Isle, Lake Ontario, > the name of Heinrich SCHMIDT (Henry Smith) stuck out. > > He was a soldier with the Brunswick troops which were > stationed in Quebec, Canada during the American Revolution. > Born in Holzminden in Lower Saxony appr. 1746/47, > he was discharged in Quebec in 1783. This is what the > book by the Genealogy researcher Virginia DeMarce says: > > "Smith, Henry, Paymaster, German Regt. in the British > army, from Brunswick, 1783 at Les Cedres, a son baptised there and two older > daughters; to Marysburgh, Ontario, > in Prince Edward County, married Mary Elizabeth Benedict, > daughter of John Benedict; a daughter married Reverend > Frederick Meyers. > > There is much information about Henry in my own book > "The Hessians of Upper Canada", but the purpose of this > letter is to advise the reader that on 21. August 2004 at > the Rose House Museum in Waupoos, near Picton, Ontario > on County Road #8, the 220th anniversary of the arrival > of those early Hessian and Brunswick settlers in 1784 > at the Fifth Township, will be honoured during a > 'Hessian Day' celebration, with music, food and fun, under > a big tent, with tables for descendants groups, etc.. > It'll be a fun day and everyone is invited to participate. > This will be a good time to meet cousins and other > related families. > > More information about details please contact me direct > or the Museum by e-mailing > rosemuseum@pecounty.on.ca > > Greetings, > John Helmut Merz, e-mail hessian@sympatico.ca > researching Hessian soldiers of the American Revolution. > >

From: <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 12:44 PM > Source: CAN-ONT-PRINCE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Township No.5, Bay of Quinte.- Rose House Museum > Surnames: Bongard, Rose, Minaker, Klapproth, Heinemann. > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/hQC.2ACI/819.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Just looking at the postings on this Message Board and > Mailing List, I found an old posting of mine dated 8.Jan.2003 > with a listing of names of Hessian settlers in Ts.#5 acc. > to microfilm H-1655 (Haldimand Papers) of the National > Archives of Canada. > > I was looking because we are celebrating the arrival of > those men in October 1784 at the Rose House Museum > on Saturday, 21 August 2004 on the grounds of the Museum. > Big Tent, music, food and fun, and the descendants of > Hessian soldiers and their associated families will meet > and get together and celebrate. Myself will present a > bronze "Hessian Soldier' plaque, and corresponding lapel > pins are available for descendants. Also a booklet > "The Hessians of Marysburg" will be offered. All in all > a funfilled and exciting event, a chance to meet new and > old cousins. For more information contact me direct or > e-mail Mrs. Susan Rose, curator of the Rose Museum at > rosemuseum@pecounty.on.ca > > You'all are invited to come and celebrate with us, > John Helmut Merz e-mail hessian@sympatico.ca > Researcher of Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution > http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm

Forwarded from a Loyalist Mail list: > Surnames: ROSE, BONGARD, Roemermann/Rimerman, Meinecke/Minaker > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/mN.2ADE/152 > > Located in the Prince Edward County, on Quinte Isle, > Lake Ontario. Easy to reach from Picton, Ontario on > Country Road 8 going south-east. Here is a description: > > On Country Road 8, you will come upon Rose House, > an 18th Century pioneers home, now a fine museum. > Museum staff dress in Loyalist costume and are there > to answer your questions. The annual German Supper, > in October is not to be missed! Along County Road 8 > you'll find some wonderful spots to eat, spend the night > and shop. = So says an advertisement from the County. > > Henry Rose, the original builder of the home was a > soldier of the Brunswick troops who came to Canada > in 1776 to help the British against the American rebellion. > After the Revolution he was one of the Hessian soldier > settlers in North Marysburg, the Fifth Township. > > The Rose House itself was build from the logs of the > first Lutheran Church built by the first Hessian settlers, > who came in 1784 as a Historical plaque in front of > the Rose House explains. > > In commemoration of the 220th Anniversary of this first > Hessian settlement in Ontario, a Hessian Day will be > celebrated and all Hessian descendants are invited to > take part in the festivities. I have been told that there > will be a big tent, music, food, and entertainment. Yours > truly will present to the Museum a bronce > 'HESSIAN SOLDIER' plaque, to remember these hardy > soldier-settlers of 1784. > > More about this event in future postings to this Board/List. > > Yours truly, > John Helmut Merz > Hamilton, Ontario.

My name is Cindy Burgess Alldredge and I am still here -- watching and learning. My ancestor is Chris John Burgess/Borries. I would love to find his grave to add a Hessian recognition plaque. Thanks to all for educating me through this list. Cindy

Hello dear Howard; Hello dear Amrev-Hessian subscribers; Your SAR Library in Louisville, Kentucky will be a real hotbed for Hessian soldier research, once MY American Hessian files get there sometimes in September 2004. I am working hard on my last big project, the "Hessian Day" at the Rose House Museum in Waupoos, Quinte Isle, Ontario, which will take place on 21. August 2004. After this has been accomplished, I will be preparing my material and look forward to the visit by your Librarian to inspect and take over my files. To satisfy the request of a number of our subscribers, I have ordered a reprint of my "GUIDE to find your Hessian Soldier of the AmRev" improved and with additional names (about 3500), cost will be $20.00 including the postage to USA or Canada. Mail check to John H. Merz, 703-350 Concession St., Hamilton, Ontario, L9A 1B6, Canada. If you are after a specific name, I will add a Personal Data File free. If a PDF is ordered separate, it will cost you 15.00, or you will have to wait til my stuff is at the SAR Library, where you can check it out yourself. But for now it would be safe to ask me fisrt if I have any information for that name, just to make sure. Trusting that this will make everybody happy, I remain yours truly John Helmut Merz http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/Arbeitszimmer.htm http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <hhorne04@comcast.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Andreas Mahr - Hessian Soldier - Grand Coteau, LA. > Hi- > I picked up a great deal of the Waldeck information from Bruce Burgoyne and it enroute to the SAR Library in Louisville. It will be catalogued in the very near future and made ready for examination. In due time this and much of the rest of Bruce Burgoyne's information on the hessians will be made ready for access by computer over the internet. This will take a little time, however. > > Howard F. Horne, Ph.D. > President General NSSAR 1999-2000 > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Dear Floyd, > > > > thank you for lifting the fog around my temple, now I can see > > what you are up to and trying to accomplish. At my age (80) > > it's not always easy to figure out what's up :-) > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians

Hello Nary, I guess you are replying to me information I provided with my posting of 21 June 2004. At that time I did mention the possibility that Frederick Nesselrodt was marrying a sister of the girl (Barbara Vallmer) your Philip Hinckel married. Is this the issue you want to give a second look? We are looking forward to the results of your second look Cheers, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mwagnergen@aol.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Still Here - Philip Hinkle > thanks for the information. I will give that a second look. > > Nary > > A quick check http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L >

Interesting message I picked up through the PML Rootsweb service, but needless to say, the name of SCHULTZ or SCHULZ or SCHULTZE is as common as MILLER or SCHMIDT, and I do have at least forty or fifty 'Schultz' in my military files. But who knows, perhaps there is somebody out in Rootsweb world who can provide an answer. This posting to the Amrev-Hessians list may help to find that one. Good luck John Merz From: <jnjross@netrax.net> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 5:58 PM =========================== > Source: SHULTZ-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Jacob SHULTZ - Columbia County, PA > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GQHBAEB/332.2.1.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Doris, > You have made my day, month, year...! I have been at this same brickwall for about ten years! Your information sounds exactly what I am looking for. Could I ask where you found this information? > > My family story goes like this: > A Hessian soldier married an Indian woman. They had Jacob Shultz (born about 1800) who married Catherine Stinehincer (unsure of spelling; was handwritten on a son's death certificate). > > Your Jacob (b. 1835) fits the information I have on this tree. I am so excited I don't even know what to type! > > Thank you!!!!! > Josh

Hi John.... All I know is that my Nicolaus Weitzel had three children, who were in the Niagara area and lived and died in close proximity to there. I also know that mine was married to Elizabeth Kline. I have always presumed that my Nick was the Butlers Rangers one. He was discharged in Quebec and settled in the Kingston area. His daughter married a Joshua Pollard and I am decended from that line. Most of what I have came from you. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Nicolaus WEITZEL, Hanau Regt. Erbprinz. > Forwarded to list: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Plante" <paul.plante@sympatico.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:52 PM > Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Are our subscribers with us? > > > > My name is Paul Plante and I am still here. My ancestor was Nicolaus > > Weitzel. > > Paul > > Nikolaus WEITZEL, Hessen-Hanau Regt. Erbprinz, born Schluechtern, > 1755/56, deserted 6 Jan 1779 at Frederick, Maryland. > see sources #17, #100, #147, last recorded at Frederick, Maryland, on > 27. April 1782 as a communicant at the Christ Reformed Church in > Middletown. > > Hello Paul, I guess we have to stick our heads together to get to the > bottom of this mystery. You do know that there were two of the same > name in the same Grenadier Company of the Hanau Erbprinz. > The other one, born 1750/51 in Hohenzell, today incorporated into > Schluechtern, deserted already shortly after the Battle of Saratoga on > 25 Oct. 1777 at Barrington, was recaptured and sent to Canada. > He was discharged in Canada in July 1783. > > In my book 'The Hessians of Upper Canada' on pages 211-212 I tried > to come to terms about these two soldiers, one who apparently joined > the Butler's Rangers, and is also known as Nicholas Whitsell and also > as WITZEL, Nicholas, perhaps also known as Nicholas WESSELS, who > settled in Sophiasburg, who stated in his land petition that he came into > Province in 1787 with wife and 5 children. (Reel C-2950) > > My book came out in 1997, has sold over 500 copies, is deposited with > many libraries and Historical & Genealogical Societries, but nobody has > yet to confirm or dispute my conclusions. > I would appreciate any help with this, it should be solved. > > Cheers, > John H. Merz. > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > For your convenience, here are the mail list archives: > Please check the archives first, your answer may be there. > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > Subject Lines are important to create interest into YOUR posting, > make it a good headline. > >

Hi- I picked up a great deal of the Waldeck information from Bruce Burgoyne and it enroute to the SAR Library in Louisville. It will be catalogued in the very near future and made ready for examination. In due time this and much of the rest of Bruce Burgoyne's information on the hessians will be made ready for access by computer over the internet. This will take a little time, however. Howard F. Horne, Ph.D. President General NSSAR 1999-2000 -------------- Original message -------------- > Dear Floyd, > > thank you for lifting the fog around my temple, now I can see > what you are up to and trying to accomplish. At my age (80) > it's not always easy to figure out what's up :-) > > Floyd, years ago I was trying to find those Waldeck soldiers > who were taken prisoner in Baton Rouge and Pensacola by the > Spanish, and I listed all their names as they were given by Hetrina V > and also in the book by Bruce E. Burgoyne 'Waldeck soldiers', > That's why I am forwarding your message to that list as well, we > may find some help there in your search. > > You could have a look at their mail list archive as well. It wouldn't > hurt to look at as many sources as there are. > Wishing you success and the best of luck, > John Merz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: YKNOTT123@aol.com > To: hessian@sympatico.ca > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 2:16 PM > Subject: Andreas Mahr - Hessian Soldiers > > > John, I am Floyd Knott, direct descendent of Christoph Noth. In previous > commuunications with you I indicated that I felt that some Hessian soldiers > in addition to Noth had come to South Louisiana after the Revolutionary War. > I know you have been very helpful and realize how busy you are but I would > like to prove my thesis so that if I am correct that monuments can be > erected in the area to honor them. I am limiting my seach to a very small > area in Grand Coteau, Louisiana (less than 100 residents around 1790 - a 10 > mile area) of persons who indicated that they were born in Germany, having > come in the 1780's. from Maryland, Pennsylvania, or Canada). > The following is a list of close German neighbors of Noth: > 1. Willam Spangenberg possibly same as Wilhelm Spangenberg Hetrina p. 154 > First record of William Spangenberg in Grand Coteau - Marriage 18 June > 1793 > 2. Andre (Mayer) Possible Andreas Mahr > Record in area shows (Buried 6 Apr 1811 at age abt. 60). > 3. Christoph Goth(also Gad, Gothe,etc.) Brother-in-law to Christoph Noth- > Married > 3 June 1793. Possibly Christoph Guthe, Hetrina page 180 > 4. John Folse(Fauls, Faul, Fahle, etc) Possibly Johannes Falz Hetrina page > 68 > Married 4 Feb 1802 to Marie Therese Milher (Mueller,Miller) > 1810 Census lists his birth as 1756 in Velle, Germany. > I am also checking other Germans in immediate area, such as Mueller, > Bertelot, Teller, > Prudhomme, Shafer, Haller, Marsh(Meche) etc. > > I realize that few, if any, of the persons mentioned will be Hessian > soldiers, but I believe I should check every possible lead. I am not a > professional genealogist - but a dedicated person. I am asking help from > others on the list (and guidance from you), John. > I know how busy you are, John, but your comments will be appreciated. > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution > No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. > Please no signature lines, they confuse our mail list archives. > The Hessian Soldier Plaque click here to see, ask list how to get! > http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm >

thanks for the information. I will give that a second look. Nary

There was a Brunswick soldier of the Regt. Specht, named Andreas OCHSENKOPF, age 26 in 1779, who deserted on 20 Nov. 1778 during the march from Boston Winter Hill to Virginia near Suffield, Connecticut. (S#192 General Riedesel's Order Book, S#18 Brunswick deserters) Courtesy of John Merz, admin AMREV-HESSIANS-L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <pandreasen@stny.rr.com> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 4:09 PM ================================ > Source: PENNSYLVANIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: OSINCUP/OSENCUP/ETC. > > Just in case there are any other folks in the world searching the > OSENCUP/OSINCUP (and other variations) surname, here is a little info on my > line (at least I hope it is!): > > Jacob OSENCOPE d aft 1820 prob. Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne Co.., PA; Ch. Betsey m > Stephen Gilbert BARNES b 1782, Henry, Sarah m BARNES and Nancy b c 1800 m > John LaFRANCE (my line). > > 'History of Broome Co., NY' by H. P. Smith, 1885: Vestal, Tracy Creek - > 'Gilbert Osincup is a native of Vestal, where he was born in 1828, near the > farm on which he now lives. He is a son of Henry (above mentioned) who came > here from Kingston Valley in 1812. Henry's father was Jacob Osincup, a > Hessian soldier, who was taken prisoner at Valley Forge by Washington's > troops.' > > 'History of Broome Co., NY' by H. P. Smith, 1885: Vestal, Tracy Creek - > 'Gilbert Osincup is a native of Vestal, where he was born in 1828, near the > farm on which he now lives. He is a son of Henry (above mentioned) who came > here from Kingston Valley in 1812. Henry's father was Jacob Osincup, a > Hessian soldier, who was taken prisoner at Valley Forge by Washington's > troops.' > > Trying to discover if the Jacob in Luzerne Co., may be the father of Henry > mentioned above. > > Anyone??? > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ >

Forwarded to list: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Plante" <paul.plante@sympatico.ca> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Are our subscribers with us? > My name is Paul Plante and I am still here. My ancestor was Nicolaus > Weitzel. > Paul Nikolaus WEITZEL, Hessen-Hanau Regt. Erbprinz, born Schluechtern, 1755/56, deserted 6 Jan 1779 at Frederick, Maryland. see sources #17, #100, #147, last recorded at Frederick, Maryland, on 27. April 1782 as a communicant at the Christ Reformed Church in Middletown. Hello Paul, I guess we have to stick our heads together to get to the bottom of this mystery. You do know that there were two of the same name in the same Grenadier Company of the Hanau Erbprinz. The other one, born 1750/51 in Hohenzell, today incorporated into Schluechtern, deserted already shortly after the Battle of Saratoga on 25 Oct. 1777 at Barrington, was recaptured and sent to Canada. He was discharged in Canada in July 1783. In my book 'The Hessians of Upper Canada' on pages 211-212 I tried to come to terms about these two soldiers, one who apparently joined the Butler's Rangers, and is also known as Nicholas Whitsell and also as WITZEL, Nicholas, perhaps also known as Nicholas WESSELS, who settled in Sophiasburg, who stated in his land petition that he came into Province in 1787 with wife and 5 children. (Reel C-2950) My book came out in 1997, has sold over 500 copies, is deposited with many libraries and Historical & Genealogical Societries, but nobody has yet to confirm or dispute my conclusions. I would appreciate any help with this, it should be solved. Cheers, John H. Merz.