My great grand mother was born a Way. The family goes back to York County, Pennsylvania. One membe of the family had their name spelled as Weys in the 1790 Census. Weys could be Weiss. Do you have any of your Weiss family from York? Bob Zins, Newport News, VA

Dear subscribers of this AMREV-HESSIANS mail list; Before I want to make my statement, I would like to thank Bob Fetters and Mary Fetzer for their offers to supply me with pictures and other information for the project I had planned. Bob himself was the originator of the Hessian Plaque, and now of the Descendant pins, and Mary Fetzer has done a terrific job to promote the awareness and knowledge of her Hessian ancestor. However, due to the shortness of time and the poor response to my request by the rest of our subscribers, I decided to abandon this project of putting together an album to show how our descendants of Hessians are willing to share their pride with others. Perhaps someone else will take on such a job, for me it is just getting too much, sorry to say. May I also remind everyone that all our postings on this list since 1998 can still be found in our list archives, which are mentioned time and again, at least once a day, and how to access them. Even if you delete a posting from your computer in-box, it still is in the archives. Regards, John Merz, list administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: John Merz To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: Hessian Soldier Plaque - Pictures needed ! Hello Hessian descendants: Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of pictures of the plaque itself, what I am after is pictures of the plaque on Hessian soldier's graves, or memorials, or even when presented to some organizations. If you have such a picture, scan them and e-mail to me with explanations of where when, who and why, etc. I want to put together a memento in form of an album to present along with an actual plaque to the Rose House Museum. It is supposed to demonstrate that the Hessian Soldiers have been receiving their due respect from their descendants all over the country. <SNIP>

Bob, that's fine - you're doing a great job! I have one of the plaques - I presently keep it at home, and will probably obtain another when I get around to placing one at the ancestor's grave - or, possibly donate it to the town historical society in upstate New York. You're way ahead of many of us in these areas, and it's good to hear about your projects and ideas as well. Thanks again Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert A. Fetters" <fetters@bright.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Hessian Descendant-Lapel Pins & Pendants > Sorry, pins shipped to you before announcement of > availability of the new shipment including pendants. > > Bob Fetters > >

Sorry, pins shipped to you before announcement of availability of the new shipment including pendants. Bob Fetters ----- Original Message ----- From: <wjsmith@optonline.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Hessian Descendant-Lapel Pins & Pendants > Hi Bob, > > I'd like one pendant, and some pins for the remainder of the order. > By the way, the first batch was great! > > Thanks, > > Bill Smith > Descendant of Daniel Engelcke, of the Brunswick troops, von Specht Regiment, and later, the MA Continental army. > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Our mail list archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > Here is the Hessian Soldier plaque http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm <- click on > Try it and you will find a treasure chest full of information. >

Robert, will you please enclose your mailing address again? I would like to place an order and accidently deleted your original posting. Also, I just purchased a book on WV Rev. War Patriots. If anyone wants me to look up Hessians who may have "gone south", please let me know. Some of the names I recognize are Jacob Baer, Ulrich Hostetter, Ludwich Wohlford and Ludowick Zirkle. I'm sure there are others. Ingrid ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert A. Fetters" <fetters@bright.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Hessian Descendant-Lapel Pins & Pendants > AmRev Listers, > > In February of 2004, I brought to the Hessian List this > thought: "I belong to many genealogical societies and > organizations, like the SAR, Descendants of George > Washington's Valley Forge, Flagon and Trencher: the Society > of Colonial Inn Keepers, and many "First Family" groups. > Most, if not all, have lapel pins recognizing either > membership or descent. I think a "Hessian Descendant" > (lapel) pin might make a nice conversation piece, > particularly at genealogical gatherings. I would be proud > to wear such a lapel pin." > > As most of you probably know, the first order of 500 lapel > pins (antique gold finish) was received and sold out in 8 > days. Every one seemed well pleased with the quality and > price of the pins. Since there was a demand for more pins, > a second order was placed. However, to fill out a minimum > quantity for the best price break (500 total), I completed > the order with some pendants of the same design. The > pendants have no pin on the back, but have a loop attached > to the edge, and a gold ring in the loop. They will not > make fashionable looking jewelry, but will be great to > reflect Hessian descent on either a neck chain or charm > bracelet (or any place else you might want to use). > > The pin and pendant are identical, being 7/8" in diameter, > and are die struck (3D) in a metallic antique gold finish, > as opposed to a printed flat surface. This method of > manufacture and finish allowed us to maintain great detail > on a small pin. As several correspondents requested, we > were able to keep the names of all the Hessian > Principalities on the pin, but to be readable, they are on > the outer ring of the pin (as opposed to the inner ring of > the plaque). "Hessian Descendant," American Revolution" and > "1776 - 1783" are all readable to the naked eye, but your > eyes may need help with the Principalities. The 3D Hessian > soldier is similar to the plaque. > > A picture of the pin/pendant can be e-mailed to you, though > the picture is darker than the actual. Just e-mail me at < > fetters@bright.net > and ask for "Hessian Pin Picture" in > the title. I will "reply" and attach the picture by return. > > Please send a US$ check or US$ money order for the correct > amount to Robert A. Fetters, 215 Dun Road, Chillicothe, OH > 45601-1173. (John Merz says: "Canadian Seniors don't pay > extra fees for such US$ money orders.") Cash is sent at > YOUR own risk, and once I mail to you, the pins and/or > pendants are yours (I don't think the cost of insurance can > be justified). Be sure to include YOUR return ADDRESS with > payment, so I know where to mail the items. Please specify > if you want pins or pendants, and how many of each. If you > do not specify, I will send pins---at least until all are > sold. Also, please limit your order to a maximum of 20 pins > or pendants, total , at least until September 1st. I > suspect I'll have plenty left over, so you can place a > second order after September 1st, if you want more than an > initial 20 total. > > There is no profit in this venture, so please be fair with > your financial dealings. Pins and pendants cost $1.75 each. > The padded mailing envelope and the postage (depending on > destination and quantity) are as follows. Note that pins > and pendants have virtually the same weight, so mailing can > be figured on the total number of items purchased. > > Destination US Canada > > 1 or 2 pins or pendants $0.60 $0.80 > > 3 to 6 pins or pendants $0.80 $1.05 > > 7 to 11 pins or pendants $1.00 $1.30 > > 12 to 15 pins or pendants $1.25 $1.55 > > 16 to 20 pins or pendants $1.50 $1.80 > > Examples: > 4 items (pins or pendants) ordered @ $1.75 = > $7.00. US envelope and postage = $0.80. Total = $7.80 > (US). > > 4 items ordered @ $1.75 = $7.00. Canada > envelope & postage = $1.05. Total = $8.05 (US$) > > If you order 1 pin and 1 pendant for mailing to the US, each > pin will cost you and me $2.05---you are getting at my cost. > > If you have any questions, please e-mail me before sending > any payment. All payments must be in US dollars. > > I can not use 500 more Hessian Descendant items. However, > neither can I afford to take any sales at a loss, as given > above. I appreciate and trust your honesty, and will ship > ASAP after I receive your order, following the above > directions. If > you also include your e-mail address, I can contact you with > any problems with your order. As for the previous offering > of pins, the sale will be on a 1st come, 1st served basis. > No e-mail orders will be taken, and nothing can be held > pending receipt of payment---sorry, I just want to be fair. > If you replied to my earlier poll for numbers of items > wanted, I thank you. However, do not consider that poll > reply as an "order placed." You may order, only by > following the above guidelines. > > Oh yes---the following is a copy of my answer to the > question as to who is eligible to buy the "Hessian > Descendant" pins and pendants: "Any Hessian descendant (or > any one who thinks they are one) can buy one or more Hessian > Descendant [items]. Even non-descendants, but who think > they want to be identified with us Hessian Descendants can > buy pins---at least until they are gone. This is NOT a > lineage society, with stringent descendant proofs needed." > These are made available for fun and fellowship. > > > Thank you all. > > Robert A. (Bob) Fetters, > Descendant of Hessian Soldier, Rev. Johann Henrich HAMMER > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > The subject of this list - Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution > No other wars - no other German immigrants. Please stick to the subject. > Please no signature lines, they confuse our mail list archives. > The Hessian Soldier Plaque click here to see, ask list how to get! > http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm >

Hi Bob, I'd like one pendant, and some pins for the remainder of the order. By the way, the first batch was great! Thanks, Bill Smith Descendant of Daniel Engelcke, of the Brunswick troops, von Specht Regiment, and later, the MA Continental army.

AmRev Listers, In February of 2004, I brought to the Hessian List this thought: "I belong to many genealogical societies and organizations, like the SAR, Descendants of George Washington's Valley Forge, Flagon and Trencher: the Society of Colonial Inn Keepers, and many "First Family" groups. Most, if not all, have lapel pins recognizing either membership or descent. I think a "Hessian Descendant" (lapel) pin might make a nice conversation piece, particularly at genealogical gatherings. I would be proud to wear such a lapel pin." As most of you probably know, the first order of 500 lapel pins (antique gold finish) was received and sold out in 8 days. Every one seemed well pleased with the quality and price of the pins. Since there was a demand for more pins, a second order was placed. However, to fill out a minimum quantity for the best price break (500 total), I completed the order with some pendants of the same design. The pendants have no pin on the back, but have a loop attached to the edge, and a gold ring in the loop. They will not make fashionable looking jewelry, but will be great to reflect Hessian descent on either a neck chain or charm bracelet (or any place else you might want to use). The pin and pendant are identical, being 7/8" in diameter, and are die struck (3D) in a metallic antique gold finish, as opposed to a printed flat surface. This method of manufacture and finish allowed us to maintain great detail on a small pin. As several correspondents requested, we were able to keep the names of all the Hessian Principalities on the pin, but to be readable, they are on the outer ring of the pin (as opposed to the inner ring of the plaque). "Hessian Descendant," American Revolution" and "1776 - 1783" are all readable to the naked eye, but your eyes may need help with the Principalities. The 3D Hessian soldier is similar to the plaque. A picture of the pin/pendant can be e-mailed to you, though the picture is darker than the actual. Just e-mail me at < fetters@bright.net > and ask for "Hessian Pin Picture" in the title. I will "reply" and attach the picture by return. Please send a US$ check or US$ money order for the correct amount to Robert A. Fetters, 215 Dun Road, Chillicothe, OH 45601-1173. (John Merz says: "Canadian Seniors don't pay extra fees for such US$ money orders.") Cash is sent at YOUR own risk, and once I mail to you, the pins and/or pendants are yours (I don't think the cost of insurance can be justified). Be sure to include YOUR return ADDRESS with payment, so I know where to mail the items. Please specify if you want pins or pendants, and how many of each. If you do not specify, I will send pins---at least until all are sold. Also, please limit your order to a maximum of 20 pins or pendants, total , at least until September 1st. I suspect I'll have plenty left over, so you can place a second order after September 1st, if you want more than an initial 20 total. There is no profit in this venture, so please be fair with your financial dealings. Pins and pendants cost $1.75 each. The padded mailing envelope and the postage (depending on destination and quantity) are as follows. Note that pins and pendants have virtually the same weight, so mailing can be figured on the total number of items purchased. Destination US Canada 1 or 2 pins or pendants $0.60 $0.80 3 to 6 pins or pendants $0.80 $1.05 7 to 11 pins or pendants $1.00 $1.30 12 to 15 pins or pendants $1.25 $1.55 16 to 20 pins or pendants $1.50 $1.80 Examples: 4 items (pins or pendants) ordered @ $1.75 = $7.00. US envelope and postage = $0.80. Total = $7.80 (US). 4 items ordered @ $1.75 = $7.00. Canada envelope & postage = $1.05. Total = $8.05 (US$) If you order 1 pin and 1 pendant for mailing to the US, each pin will cost you and me $2.05---you are getting at my cost. If you have any questions, please e-mail me before sending any payment. All payments must be in US dollars. I can not use 500 more Hessian Descendant items. However, neither can I afford to take any sales at a loss, as given above. I appreciate and trust your honesty, and will ship ASAP after I receive your order, following the above directions. If you also include your e-mail address, I can contact you with any problems with your order. As for the previous offering of pins, the sale will be on a 1st come, 1st served basis. No e-mail orders will be taken, and nothing can be held pending receipt of payment---sorry, I just want to be fair. If you replied to my earlier poll for numbers of items wanted, I thank you. However, do not consider that poll reply as an "order placed." You may order, only by following the above guidelines. Oh yes---the following is a copy of my answer to the question as to who is eligible to buy the "Hessian Descendant" pins and pendants: "Any Hessian descendant (or any one who thinks they are one) can buy one or more Hessian Descendant [items]. Even non-descendants, but who think they want to be identified with us Hessian Descendants can buy pins---at least until they are gone. This is NOT a lineage society, with stringent descendant proofs needed." These are made available for fun and fellowship. Thank you all. Robert A. (Bob) Fetters, Descendant of Hessian Soldier, Rev. Johann Henrich HAMMER

Any further developments on suggested Hessian Soldier database? I think it's a great idea and would be willing to help after Aug 1st retirement. I'm recently back from a wonderful vacation to WV/VA/OH. I enjoyed a very productive and interesting visit with Robert Fetters in Chillicothe, OH. Thanks much, Bob, for your help and access to the Hetrina Volumes. On the trail of Hessian ancestor, Johannes Weiss. of Fort Seybert, Pendleton Co., WV, and Straight Creek area of Blue Grass, VA, near Monterey,I hit most of the libraries and historical societies of that area, but missed the Franklin, WV, ones, not realizing the span of Pendleton Co. back in 1700's. New info at the excellent Historical Society library in Warm Springs, VA, from Pendleton County Deeds book. Many productive leads and now I must go back and spend a month or two for follow up. Also, a short visit with 5th cousin and fellow White genealogist, Pam Pritt, in Marlinton, WV. John White -----Original Message----- From: John Merz [mailto:hessian@sympatico.ca] Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 7:36 AM To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: Hessian Soldier Mengle Database for the entire Hessian soldier list? Wouldn't that be lovely :) Too many principalities involved, too many Regiments, too many locations, too many battlefields, too many prison camps, too many soldiers with too many name variations - who wants to give it a try? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Mackey" <keithm@gate.net> To: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 6:40 AM Subject: Re: Hessian Soldier Mengle > Mr.: Merz: > > Thank you very much for your prompt reply. The family name is spelled MENGLE > although it has been also spelled MENGEL. We had been told as children that > our ancestor had been taken prisoner at the battle of Trenton. Your research > indicates that this must be in error. Is there a database available on line > to search for the name in the entire Hessian soldier list? > > Thanks again > > Renda Mengle Mackey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> > To: "Keith Mackey" <keithm@gate.net>; <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: Hessian Soldier Mengle > > > Hello Renda; > > > > The names Mengel or Menckel. or even Mengele and Mengle cannot be > > found on the Trenton prisoner list, although there were a > > MENNECKING, Hermann and a MENSCKER, Henrich. Henrich was later > > reported as having died (Hetrina III). Hermann of the Lossberg > > Regiment was wounded at time of capture (Hetrina II) > > SNIP> ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== The Source HETRINA has been discussed more often than anything else, you find the explanations by checking our key word archive http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians You can find it by typing in "26 feb 1999" and look for HETRINA. Or check the Threaded Archives for February 1999 - Hetrina publication.

David -- The article is Don Lindahl-Smidt's "The Hessen-Cassel Knightly Orders of the Golden Lion and the _pour la vertu militaire_" published in the 2002 issue of the _Journal of the Johannes Schwalm Historical Association_, pp. 1-4. Bob Brooks ----- Original Message ----- From: David Müldner To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: [HESSIAN] Hessian decorations Dear all, I am new on this forum, so let me introduce myself. I am a 20year old dutch student of archivistsics in Amsterdam. In my spare time I am an genealogist, and researcher of the hessian army and its officers, decorations aso. The hessian officers in the AMREV were sometimes awarded the hessian Order 'pour la virtu militaire'I have a list of the recipitents. I know there is an article with the title 'the hessian Orden pour la virtu in the American revolution'or something like that. Could someone help me find it? Thanks! David Müldner Netherlands _________________________________________________________________ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== Our mail list archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L Here is the Hessian Soldier plaque http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm <- click on Try it and you will find a treasure chest full of information.

Bob- Have you considered having a copy of the Hammer memorial materials donated to the SAR Library and in a sense go together with the Merz and Burgoyne materials? I suggest that this would be a good repository for this. Howard Horne, NSSAR PG 1999-2000 -------------- Original message -------------- > John, > > I even had hired a photographer and we have a video tape of > our grave site dedication for Johann Henrich Hammer. I have > a 1 1/2" 3-ring notebook of prints from the day. Do you > want just a picture of the grave site, with the plaque, or > with "descendants" in the background, or with the uniformed > re-enactors, or with DAR/SAR people, or with any part in the > program? Also, I have a full script, if that is of > interest? As you know, you can have copies of anything I > have----by e-mail attachment or photo prints by snail mail. > What can I send? Don't want to bury you with info or > pictures you already have or don't want. > > Bob Fetters > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Merz" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:36 PM > Subject: [HESSIAN] Hessian Soldier Plaque - Pictures needed > ! > > > > Hello Hessian descendants: > > > > Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of pictures of the > plaque itself, > > what I am after is pictures of the plaque on Hessian > soldier's > > graves, or memorials, or even when presented to some > organizations. > > > > If you have such a picture, scan them and e-mail to me > with > > explanations of where when, who and why, etc. > > > > I want to put together a memento in form of an album to > present > > along with an actual plaque to the Rose House Museum. > > It is supposed to demonstrate that the Hessian Soldiers > have been > > receiving their due respect from their descendants all > over the country. > > > > If you have original pictures you can mail them to me > > > > John H. Merz > > 703-350 Concession St., > > Hamilton, Ontario, > > L9A 1B6 Canada. > > > > Would really appreciate your help, > > John > > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > > 6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the > Peace in 1783, the majority settled in the Eastern United > States and Canada. > > A quick check > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Please stick to our published subject - Hessian Soldiers of the > American Revolution, not WWII or the Civil War. No other Immigrants. > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > One more tip - do not use signature lines (with names) when posting. >

You are most welcome John. I enjoy helping others where possible, as many have helped me over the past 2 years research. There were two other listings for in Ancestry.com but they were from the "Family Individual data files" meaning they were submitted by family members to ancestry. It did list a David Speece born Kentucky with father Frederick Speece and mother Elizabeth Mozier , also a Mary Spees born Kentucky with father Frederick Spees and mother Elizabeth Mozier. There were birth dates and place of birth listed also. If you want that information I can email it to you also. The only problem with the "family data files" is there is no way to tell what family member submitted the information, ergo you have no source to use expect "ancestry.com file". And as we all know you really need to take to the source person or have a documented source for accuracy and proof. But again I will send you the birth information listed on the two above if you want it. Kind Regards Mary Magistro PS I would also look at the surname Moshier as a variation of spelling. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Re: SPIES/SPEES - wife Elizabeth MOZIER/MOSER/MUSSER. > Thank you so much, Mary, perhaps this is what brings us closer > to the real Elizabeth MOSER, the wife of Frederick SPEES (SPIES) > > I checked out the name Elizabeth MOSER, there are literally hundreds, > no wonder, it's like searching a needle in a haystack. > But having read the name MICHAEL Moser as the father of Elizabeth, > and the mother a Mary SNU (?), I went through a whole pile of > MICHAEL MOSER listings (again hundreds it seemed) and here I found > something interesting: > > Elisabeth MUSSER born 7. Oct. 1765 - father Michael MOSER, his wife > Maria Barbara, last name unknown.. > > I don't want to bet my bottom dollar on this, but have a gut feeling that > this could be her. Needs further exploring by the descendants. > > It also shows that such a simple name like MOSER can be really kicked > around. > Cheers, > John Merz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Magistro" <mamagistro@sonicnet.net> > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: SPIES/SPEES > > > > John, > > I found these four messages on the messages on Mozier Ancestry.com Message > > board. Perhaps this will help your contact if they contact one of these > > women, as one said she had DAR records. > > Hope this is of some help: > > 1) Mozier > > Author: Gwen Sroufe Date: 16 Aug 2000 10:38 AM GMT > > Post Reply | Mark Unread | Report Abuse Print Message > > Searching for information on Elizabeth Mozier > > b abt 1765 Lancaster, Pa. md Fredrick Spees abt 1781 in Lancaster. Her > > parents are Michael Moser b abt 1739 of Lancaster md abt 1764 to Mary SNU > in > > Lancaster. Please contact me by email if you can help. Thanks > > > > 2) Elizabeth Mozier info > > Author: Dana Dalton Schnorr Date: 12 Nov 2000 11:50 AM GMT > > In Reply to: Mozier by: Gwen Sroufe > > Post Reply | Mark Unread | Report Abuse Print Message > > According to my mother's DAR records, Frederick Spees, born in Germany and > > immigrated to US, married Eliabeth Mozier, who was born in Lancaster > County, > > PA. in 1796 they moved to Territory of Kentucky in Mason County close to > > Maysville. They had 6 sons and 2 daughters. Christon, George, Fredrick, > > Henry, Daniel, William, Mary, Rachel. The are my gggggrandparents. I have > > more info on the Spees Family, but go no further back on the Mozier side. > > Your information was helpful! > > > > 3) Elizabeth Mozier /Frederick Spees > > Author: Gwen Sroufe Date: 12 Nov 2000 6:25 PM GMT > > In Reply to: Elizabeth Mozier info by: Dana Dalton Schnorr > > Post Reply | Mark Unread | Report Abuse Print Message > > Thanks for the note. You have Elizabeth's birthday much later that the > abay > > 1765 that I have. The children match. I have > > Christian b 1786 George b 1788 Frederick b 1790 Harry b 1797 Daniel b 1799 > > William b 1805 Mary b 1811 and Rachel b 1813. Do you have dates for the > > children? I have Michael Moser b abt 1739 and his wife Mary b abt 1743 > > both in Lancaster, Pa. and married abt 1764. I wonder why the birth dates > on > > Elizabeth are so apart? > > > > 4)Elizabeth Fredrick > > Author: Dana Dalton Schnorr Date: 13 Nov 2000 6:52 PM GMT > > In Reply to: Elizabeth Mozier /Frederick Spees by: Gwen Sroufe > > Post Reply | Mark Unread | Report Abuse Print Message > > The date of 1796 represents the year in which they moved to Mason > > County...not her birth year. Sorry for the confusion. I have contacted my > > mother (Mary Spees Dalton) to see if she has other records on Elizabeth > and > > Fredrick. I'll let you know > > > > Gwen Sroufe email is : lorene@jps.net > > Dana Dalton Schnorr email is : cschnorr@uswest.net > > > > I know these are from the year 2000 but it's worth a try. > > > > Kind Regards > > Mary Magistro > > > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Mail List archives are your best bet to find information, try > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > Remember the Hessian Soldier plaque - http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian/plakette.htm > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.713 / Virus Database: 469 - Release Date: 6/30/04

Francis Cookman BEST of Canton Ohio his daughter Martha Y.Best marrird Paul Seacrist of Ross County ,Ohio.

My great grandmother was Sarah Margaret Priess and later the family changed the name to PRICE.This family has been my only brick wall.Sarah Margaret Priess was born 1848 dont know where. She married Rev.William Harvey McLain in Tuscaloosa.AL. They migrated to Galveston,Texas.

Dear all, I am new on this forum, so let me introduce myself. I am a 20year old dutch student of archivistsics in Amsterdam. In my spare time I am an genealogist, and researcher of the hessian army and its officers, decorations aso. The hessian officers in the AMREV were sometimes awarded the hessian Order 'pour la virtu militaire'I have a list of the recipitents. I know there is an article with the title 'the hessian Orden pour la virtu in the American revolution'or something like that. Could someone help me find it? Thanks! David Müldner Netherlands _________________________________________________________________ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/

Thank you so much, Mary, perhaps this is what brings us closer to the real Elizabeth MOSER, the wife of Frederick SPEES (SPIES) I checked out the name Elizabeth MOSER, there are literally hundreds, no wonder, it's like searching a needle in a haystack. But having read the name MICHAEL Moser as the father of Elizabeth, and the mother a Mary SNU (?), I went through a whole pile of MICHAEL MOSER listings (again hundreds it seemed) and here I found something interesting: Elisabeth MUSSER born 7. Oct. 1765 - father Michael MOSER, his wife Maria Barbara, last name unknown.. I don't want to bet my bottom dollar on this, but have a gut feeling that this could be her. Needs further exploring by the descendants. It also shows that such a simple name like MOSER can be really kicked around. Cheers, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Magistro" <mamagistro@sonicnet.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: SPIES/SPEES > John, > I found these four messages on the messages on Mozier Ancestry.com Message > board. Perhaps this will help your contact if they contact one of these > women, as one said she had DAR records. > Hope this is of some help: > 1) Mozier > Author: Gwen Sroufe Date: 16 Aug 2000 10:38 AM GMT > Post Reply | Mark Unread | Report Abuse Print Message > Searching for information on Elizabeth Mozier > b abt 1765 Lancaster, Pa. md Fredrick Spees abt 1781 in Lancaster. Her > parents are Michael Moser b abt 1739 of Lancaster md abt 1764 to Mary SNU in > Lancaster. Please contact me by email if you can help. Thanks > > 2) Elizabeth Mozier info > Author: Dana Dalton Schnorr Date: 12 Nov 2000 11:50 AM GMT > In Reply to: Mozier by: Gwen Sroufe > Post Reply | Mark Unread | Report Abuse Print Message > According to my mother's DAR records, Frederick Spees, born in Germany and > immigrated to US, married Eliabeth Mozier, who was born in Lancaster County, > PA. in 1796 they moved to Territory of Kentucky in Mason County close to > Maysville. They had 6 sons and 2 daughters. Christon, George, Fredrick, > Henry, Daniel, William, Mary, Rachel. The are my gggggrandparents. I have > more info on the Spees Family, but go no further back on the Mozier side. > Your information was helpful! > > 3) Elizabeth Mozier /Frederick Spees > Author: Gwen Sroufe Date: 12 Nov 2000 6:25 PM GMT > In Reply to: Elizabeth Mozier info by: Dana Dalton Schnorr > Post Reply | Mark Unread | Report Abuse Print Message > Thanks for the note. You have Elizabeth's birthday much later that the abay > 1765 that I have. The children match. I have > Christian b 1786 George b 1788 Frederick b 1790 Harry b 1797 Daniel b 1799 > William b 1805 Mary b 1811 and Rachel b 1813. Do you have dates for the > children? I have Michael Moser b abt 1739 and his wife Mary b abt 1743 > both in Lancaster, Pa. and married abt 1764. I wonder why the birth dates on > Elizabeth are so apart? > > 4)Elizabeth Fredrick > Author: Dana Dalton Schnorr Date: 13 Nov 2000 6:52 PM GMT > In Reply to: Elizabeth Mozier /Frederick Spees by: Gwen Sroufe > Post Reply | Mark Unread | Report Abuse Print Message > The date of 1796 represents the year in which they moved to Mason > County...not her birth year. Sorry for the confusion. I have contacted my > mother (Mary Spees Dalton) to see if she has other records on Elizabeth and > Fredrick. I'll let you know > > Gwen Sroufe email is : lorene@jps.net > Dana Dalton Schnorr email is : cschnorr@uswest.net > > I know these are from the year 2000 but it's worth a try. > > Kind Regards > Mary Magistro >

John, I even had hired a photographer and we have a video tape of our grave site dedication for Johann Henrich Hammer. I have a 1 1/2" 3-ring notebook of prints from the day. Do you want just a picture of the grave site, with the plaque, or with "descendants" in the background, or with the uniformed re-enactors, or with DAR/SAR people, or with any part in the program? Also, I have a full script, if that is of interest? As you know, you can have copies of anything I have----by e-mail attachment or photo prints by snail mail. What can I send? Don't want to bury you with info or pictures you already have or don't want. Bob Fetters ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Merz" <hessian@sympatico.ca> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Hessian Soldier Plaque - Pictures needed ! > Hello Hessian descendants: > > Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of pictures of the plaque itself, > what I am after is pictures of the plaque on Hessian soldier's > graves, or memorials, or even when presented to some organizations. > > If you have such a picture, scan them and e-mail to me with > explanations of where when, who and why, etc. > > I want to put together a memento in form of an album to present > along with an actual plaque to the Rose House Museum. > It is supposed to demonstrate that the Hessian Soldiers have been > receiving their due respect from their descendants all over the country. > > If you have original pictures you can mail them to me > > John H. Merz > 703-350 Concession St., > Hamilton, Ontario, > L9A 1B6 Canada. > > Would really appreciate your help, > John > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > 6000 Hessian soldiers remained in North America after the Peace in 1783, the majority settled in the Eastern United States and Canada. > A quick check http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L >

Mr. Merz, I am forwarding to your private email a photo of my Hessian ancestor Jacob Rasnick's memorial stone which was erected by his descendants in 1977 in Lebanon, Virginia at his original homesite. I am also attaching a few newspaper articles about the original effort to raise money and support for the monument, and to try to document some of Jacob's Hessian history, although as you will see when you read them, the information is inaccurate according to what we know about him today. I am proud to be able to supply you with this information and thank you for including it in your presentation. Marie Rasnick Fetzer

Dear Jane, thank you very much for your help, unfortunately the posting itself exceeded the normal format of our list and I did have to shorten your input. You did post most of this on July 12, 2002. Also, some of the research posted on Rootsweb leaves much to be desired, and when I see somebody spell Hessen-Kassel as "Hassel, Hessie Cattle", I do swallow a bit. What I want to achieve is to get clear and proven facts, if possible with believable references, documentations, but the way it is, Rootsweb does take anything from anybody without proof of correctness. And that sure is a problem. Thanks again for your help, but don't believe everything you read on Rootsweb. Cheers, John Merz. ----- Original Message ----- From: <WMCURCI@aol.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: [HESSIAN] Friedrich SPIES, Hessen-Kassel Regt. Erbprinz, Yorktown prisoner. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi > > Dear John and Spees Researchers: > > I did a search for the named person on RootsWeb WorldConnect > > All I did was type Frederick Spees in the Surname box, then clicked the > search button. > > Please see results. > > Warm regards, > > Jane Curci > wmcurci@aol.com > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=timmychew& > id=I017071 > "The Large Version of the Chew Family Tree" > > Entries: 159640 Updated: 2004-07-19 18:12:29 UTC (Mon) Contact: Tim > Chew > > Not all information has been verified. Any corrections or additions will be > appreciated. >

Forwarded to the AMREV-HESSIANS-L mail list: ----- Original Message ----- From: <hessian@sympatico.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:46 PM ============================= > Source: SPIES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Friedrich SPIES, Hessian soldier of the > American Revolution 1776-1783. > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: SPIES, SPEES, MOZIER, MOSES. > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AIJBAIB/138 > > Message Board Post: > > Hello SPIES researchers, while reading through your > postings on this SPIES Board, I could not find anyone > looking for this Hessian soldier, who was captured at the > Battle of Yorktown, Virginia, in October 1781, taken to > Frederick, Maryland, and spent 19 months as a prisoner > in that vicinity, before he decided to get out of that misery > and defected. Fact is he married in Lancaster, PA to > Elizabeth MOZIER (MOSER?), and had quite a few > children. According to reports by descendants they moved > to Kentucky. From what I read on Rootsweb Family Trees > Friedrich (Frederick) SPIES (SPEES) died appr. 1833 > in Bracken Co., Kentucky. > > Here is his military data: (Acc. to HETRINA III, Marburg) > SPIES, Friedrich, born 1756/57 in Schwebda/Hessen, > now 37276 Meinhard-Schwebda, near Eschwege/Hessen. > Soldier 3. Comp. Hessen-Kassel Regt. Erbprinz, taken > POW in Oct 1781, deserted from POW status in May 1783. > > At this moment I do have an enquiry here from a direct > descendant, whose name is now SPEES, who was able > to find generations of his ancestors in Germany, but has > been unable to find any connections to Fredericks wife > "Elizabeth MOZIER" (Moser) born appr. 1765 in Lancaster. > > This is where help is badly needed, I know there are some > active SPIES/SPEES researchers out there, do you have > the leads we need? > > Thanking you in advance, > > John Helmut Merz, > researching Hessian Soldiers of the American Revolution, > author of the GUIDE to help you find your Hessian Soldier. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/hessian >

Hello Hessian descendants: Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of pictures of the plaque itself, what I am after is pictures of the plaque on Hessian soldier's graves, or memorials, or even when presented to some organizations. If you have such a picture, scan them and e-mail to me with explanations of where when, who and why, etc. I want to put together a memento in form of an album to present along with an actual plaque to the Rose House Museum. It is supposed to demonstrate that the Hessian Soldiers have been receiving their due respect from their descendants all over the country. If you have original pictures you can mail them to me John H. Merz 703-350 Concession St., Hamilton, Ontario, L9A 1B6 Canada. Would really appreciate your help, John