We are dealing with two different individuals : Frederic Miller dit L'Allemand (your ancestor) and Johann Freidrich Muller the Brunswicker (no connection). Mr. Merz (AMREV and QUE-HESSIAN lists) agrees with me : http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=surnames.miller&m=9847 First, your ancestor came from Fribourg en Brisgau, which is now part of Baden-Wurttemberg, in Western Germany, near the French border. Freidrich Muller (Brunswick troups) was from Brandenburg, which is in North East Germany, near the Polish border. Second, and more importantly, the first mention of your ancestor in Quebec is in 1764, when Claude Carpentier, parish priest of St-Antoine, grants a piece of land in the Baronnie of Longueuil to Frederic Milaire (Miller), a volunteer from the Baronnie of Longueuil, in the name of the Baronnesses of Longueuil. The Brunswick troups came in Canada in 1776, which is 12 years after your ancestor's arrival, and 6 years before your ancestors's marriage. The land grant contract was taken from the Parchemin Notary Database. 25-11-1764 (F. Racicot, notary) I found two more notary acts for Frederic Miller (Milaire) : Land sale : 06-09-1779 (F. Racicot, notary) Land grant : 25-07-1782 (F. Racicot, notary) The marriage contract was taken from the same database 12-05-1770 (A. Grisé, notary) The marriage record transcript comes from the PRDH database. Good luck in your search, Dominique Ritchot The land grant contract was taken from the Parchemin Notary Database. 25-11-1764 (F. Racicot, notary) I found two more notary acts for Frederic Miller (Milaire) : Land sale : 06-09-1779 (F. Racicot, notary) Land grant : 25-07-1782 (F. Racicot, notary) The marriage contract was taken from the same database 12-05-1770 (A. Grisé, notary) The marriage record transcript comes from the PRDH database. Good luck in your search, Dominique Ritchot > Greetings All, > > Am a new subscriber, just > recently learned that my 7th Great Grandfather Friedrich Muller or known as > Frederic Miller who married Marie Anne Lan who was born in Brandenburg > territory, Germany Abt. 1730 came to Canada as a Hessian. > > Am looking to connect to any cousins who share this > same ancestor and anyone who can help me further in documenting and > understanding his service and life as a Hessian. > > Am trying to learn more about his service during the War; here's what i > know so far: > > "Muller, Friedrich. Brunswick troops, born Brandenburg territory, age 31 > years > 6 months, deserted in Canada 1782 (Rimpau); third recruit transport > (WB)." > "Ref: German Military Settlers in Canada" > > I would like to fully document his service; any clues as to what works i > should consult; or anyone who could help with lookups would be most > grateful. > > There are some things which i am still trying to understand, i found this > reference to him; but there is no mention of his previous service before he > deserted in Canada in 1782? Was that the year he deserted? > > What did he do prior; where was he stationed,etc? > > What does it mean by Third Recruit Transport or the word Rimpau or > abbrievation WB? > > Wondering if anyone on the list can help me out in locating any further > information on Frederic and his service and in comprehending what i have found > so far. I found this reference online to him, and have not yet consulted > the reference as i have not been able to find it. > > I descend from his son Frederic who married at Chambly,Quebec May 14th, > 1770 > > to Charlotte Bertrand; Daughter of Pierre Bertrand Jr. and Jeanne > Robert. > > Thank you all for your time and assistance. > > Best Regards, > > Raymond W. LeMay III > > rlemay1407@earthlink.net

Thanks for the suggestions. I will check into both the documentary and the book suggested Ingrid Briles. Nikki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Maul" <edmaul@optonline.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] Battle of Trenton History lesson > One of the History channels has a documentary on this. > > Ed > > > ==== AMREV-HESSIANS Mailing List ==== > Our mail list archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=amrev-hessians > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/AMREV-HESSIANS-L > Try it and you will find a treasure chest full of information. > >

Hello, this is to confirm that this Henrich RIPPEL is listed in HETRINA I, - Veroeffentlichungen der Archivschule Marburg - Institut fuer Archivwissenschaft Bd. I, Marburg 1984. page 100: RIPPEL, Henrich, born 1756/57 in Roeddenau D-3559 (now 35066 Frankenberg an der Eder), soldier in 3. Company of the Hessen-Kassel Regiment von Huyn, on Muster Roll in May 1776, listed as deserted in Oct. 1781. (Probably at Charleston, S.C.) There is a report on him in the AMREV-HESSIANS-L mail list archives dated 03.Sep.2001, which you should check out. Greetings, John H. Merz, administrator Amrev-Hessians list From: <MehdiFakhar@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:43 PM > =============================== > Source: NCDAVIDS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RIPPLE - Catharine (born approx 1790) / Family Tree Stories-Davidson County by Kathleen M. Craver > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XSB.2ACE/12322 > > Message Board Post: > > Family Tree Stories - Davidson County by Kathleen M. Craver mentions Henry & Catharine RIPPLE. Does anyone know any of the eight Ripple children's names? Or can anyone tell me more about this family? > > Included below is part of a 1998 posting by K. Bartram, whose email address is no longer valid. > > "Henry Ripple, b. 1758; d. 1835, who lived for most of his life in what is today the northern part of Davidson County, was married to Catherine Frey. They were the parents of 8 children, one of which was Elizabeth. Henry was a Hessian soldier, born in Roddenau, Germany...per the book, Family Tree Stories- Davidson County by Kathleen M. Craver." > > I have been trying to determine who a Catharine RIPPLE (born in North Carolina approx.1790) is. She could easily be a daughter or niece to the above Henry & Catharine Ripple. > Thank you for any clues you may be able to offer. > Kay, FL > MehdiFakhar@aol.com >

Children of Pieter BeckerFrom a posting I made to another mail list, but of interest to the AMREV-HESSIANS readers: I am not familiar with the BAKER family you quoted coming from the Schoharie County, N.Y., and if your correspondent tells you that he cannot find your Arent Baker, I would believe him, unless you find other sources. And I have no Arent Baker/Becker in my files either. However, I am grateful to you for bringing this issue up once more, because it prompted me to dig out my files about ADAM BECKER, the Brunswick soldier, which I tried to connect with the Eastern District settler ADAM BAKER (see my previous posting), and I had a second look at my sources #20 and #101, and by golly, I found another entry for Adam in S#20 on page 286 - that he was a soldier with K.K.N.Y., and while I checked this page for other BAKER/BECKER entries, I found one which I had overlooked for 20 years - BECKER, Conradt, A. soldier R.R.N.Y. Muster Roll. Been looking for a Hessen-Hanau Artilleryman Conrad BECKER since October 1777 when he was wounded at Saratoga and taken prisoner. On 26 Dec. 1778 he deserted from prisoner status and disappeared somewhere between York and Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Here I find a Conradt Baker (Becker) on the Muster Roll of the K.K.N.Y with an enlistment date of 18 Aug 1777 ( 2 days after the Battle of Bennington, where Hanau Artillery was involved) and it says that he was a New York farmer. It also says he served in Daly's Comp. 1782-83, with the remark he settled in the Royal Township #4. Although some dates are off as well as the age, but the circumstances make it possible that we are talking about the same man. This may not help you much with your problem, but it highlights the problems you have researching a name like BAKER/BECKER. Good luck and happy hunting, John H. Merz, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada (explanation of the term K.R.R.N.Y. - "King's Royal Regiment New York" a Loyalist unit)

Dear All, I am looking for information on a family with the name (von) Gironcourt. The point is, as you may know, I am merely researching the kurhessian army, which was the follow up of the landgravial hesse army fighting in the AMREV. I have a Captain von Gironcourt in my army, but cannot find any descendants. So now I am finding out might his ancestors have been fighting in the AMREV? I have no idea though, it is just an huch. Thanks, David _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl

Yep John, I did once proudly state that I lived in the area. But, I never saw your original e-mail, no excuse, but nothing but the truth. Glad to help, anytime. But I will be going to the Fatherland, and when I return will do the research. Ed, The Believer

Ed, I mentioned your name because you once proudly stated that you only live a few miles away from this project. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Maul" <edmaul@optonline.net> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:37 AM Re: St. Paul's Church National Historical Site in Mount Vernon, N.Y. > Hi John, > > Since you mentioned me by name ,I will look into the > subject of your e-mail. > > Ed

Dear John, Ed and List Members: It would be a very worthwhile project! And, sorry it has taken a reminder by you, John, to prompt me to respond. The monument behind St. Paul's still exists. I viewed it as recently as July 4 of this year. I will send a note to David Osborne at the National Historic Site to ask him if what you propose might be doable! (I still owe him a check for a charitable contribution and definitely need to connect with him soon as a consequence!) Best regards, Blake A. Bell ----- Original Message ----- From: John Merz To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 5:11 PM Subject: St. Paul's Church National Historical Site in Mount Vernon, N.Y. Hello Hessians, hello Blake A. Bell, Deputy Town Historian of the Town of Pelham; hello Ed Maul; <SNIP> However, what I really wanted to ask, this monument behind the church, you gave us a picture of it, does it still stand? Is it still there? And if so, could a descendant of a Hessian soldier, or a group of descendants, donate a 'Hessian Soldier' plaque and place it at the monument with a small ceremony? I am sure our subscriber Ed Maul would be a willing participant, and even yourself, being a descendant of one Hessian who got away to tell his story. <SNIP>

Hi John, Since you mentioned me by name ,I will look into the subject of your e-mail. Ed

Hello Hessians; This message of mine was now a full 3 days on the plate, reaction - none - And I believed it was a worthwhile project - John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: John Merz To: AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 5:11 PM Subject: St. Paul's Church National Historical Site in Mount Vernon, N.Y. Hello Hessians, hello Blake A. Bell, Deputy Town Historian of the Town of Pelham; hello Ed Maul; I want to come back to your posting of 12. July 2004 in respect to the 'Hessian Burials in Sand Pit' and after this title you did mention some names like Euler, Roth, Grein, Schaef, Juppert. You also mentioned an article by David Osborne in the Westchester Historian, Vol.80, No.1, pages 4-11 (Winter 2004) "Who were the Hessians" <SNIP> However, what I really wanted to ask, this monument behind the church, you gave us a picture of it, does it still stand? Is it still there? And if so, could a descendant of a Hessian soldier, or a group of descendants, donate a 'Hessian Soldier' plaque and place it at the monument with a small ceremony? I am sure our subscriber Ed Maul would be a willing participant, and even yourself, being a descendant of one Hessian who got away to tell his story. I would love to read about such an event, and I am looking forward to your responses. Respectfully John Helmut Merz, (btw. if someone could make a copy of the pages 4-11 and mail to me, that would be most appreciated)

One of the History channels has a documentary on this. Ed

Dear Friends on the AMREV-Hessian list, I am a descendant of Christian Mueller, who many of us believe was a Hessian who was perhaps captured at Trenton and settled in Bedford County, PA. But it is not information about Mueller that I am writing. I am a 4th grade classroom teacher in Harrisburg, PA. Our social studies curriculum is PA history. I enjoy creating lessons based on interesting stories that make history come alive for young people, such as the story of Henry "Box" Brown, a slave who mailed himself to Philadelphia and freedom. I call my lessons "Time Trunks" and put items in the trunk to help tell the story. If possible I also like to include primary documents, which I type up and distribute to the students. I would like to create a Time Trunk lesson telling the story of the Battle of Trenton. I found an interesting piece of information on the website: ExplorePAHistory.com, that I think would make a good story to include in my trunk lesson on the Battle of Trenton. I have cut and pasted it below. It is about the Hessian commander, Col. Johann Rall: "The Hessian commander at Trenton, Col. Johann Rall, spent the day and almost the entire night at the tavern, playing cards with fellow officers and relaxing. At one point, a servant apparently handed the colonel a message from a courier, but Rall either failed to read the note, or discounted it. Several hours later, as the Hessian colonel lay dying of battle wounds, those caring for him discovered the crumpled message in his pocket. It warned that American troops were on their way to Trenton." Do any of you know any more information about this event or what exact text of the note? Any suggestions of items I could put in the trunk to tell the story? Thanks for your input. Nikki Byer

Hello Raymond and List, If you descend from Frederic Miller dit Lallemand who married Charlotte Bertrand 15 Apr. 1770 at Chambly, the marriage record states that the groom is from Fribourg en Brisgau. His parents are recorded as Frederic and Marie-Anne Lan. Your ancestor is most likely to have been part of what was then called "Les Soldats de la colonie", one of the last regiments of the French regime in Quebec. I recorded at least 14 children for Frederic Miller dit L'Allemand and Charlotte Bertrand dit Desroches (aka L'Homme dit L'Artrois, after her stepfather's name) born between 1772 and 1793. Frederic Miller was buried 23 Aug.1812 at Longueuil (aged 82 years). His widow was buried in the same parish 21 Feb. 1813 (64 years old). The reference you found : "Muller, Friedrich. Brunswick troops, born Brandenburg territory, age 31 years 6 months, deserted in Canada 1782 (Rimpau); third recruit transport (WB)." refers to Virginia DeMarce's book: German Military Settlers in Canada After the American Revolution. (p. 185) A Johann Friedrich Muller / Miller came to Quebec as part of the Brunswick troups, 3rd recruit transport. He is reported to have deserted in Canada in 1782 (no date stated). He is probably the Frederic Miller who married Marie-Louise (Mary) Doutre 25 Apr. 1787 at Christ Church de Montreal. The couple baptisted one child in 1788 at Oka and I have found no trace of them after that. In hope that helps clear your ancestry, Dominique Ritchot > Greetings All, > > Am a new subscriber, just > recently learned that my 7th Great Grandfather Friedrich Muller or known as > Frederic Miller who married Marie Anne Lan who was born in Brandenburg > territory, Germany Abt. 1730. > > Am looking to connect to any cousins who share this > same ancestor and anyone who can help me further in understanding his service > and life as a Hessian. > > Am trying to learn more about his service during the War; here's what i > know so far: > > "Muller, Friedrich. Brunswick troops, born Brandenburg territory, age 31 > years > 6 months, deserted in Canada 1782 (Rimpau); third recruit transport > (WB)." > "Ref: German Military Settlers in Canada" > > There are some things which i am still trying to understand, i found this > reference to him; but there is no mention of his previous service before he > deserted in Canada in 1782? Was that the year he deserted? > > What does it mean by Third Recruit Transport or the word Rimpau or > abbrievation WB? > > Wondering if anyone on the list can help me out in locating any further > information on Frederic and his service and in comprehending what i have found > so far. > > I descend from his son Frederic. > > Thank you all for your time and assistance. > > Best Regards, > > Raymond W. LeMay III > > rlemay1407@earthlink.net

Greetings All, Am a new subscriber, just recently learned that my 7th Great Grandfather Friedrich Muller or known as Frederic Miller who married Marie Anne Lan who was born in Brandenburg territory, Germany Abt. 1730. Am looking to connect to any cousins who share this same ancestor and anyone who can help me further in understanding his service and life as a Hessian. Am trying to learn more about his service during the War; here's what i know so far: "Muller, Friedrich. Brunswick troops, born Brandenburg territory, age 31 years 6 months, deserted in Canada 1782 (Rimpau); third recruit transport (WB)." "Ref: German Military Settlers in Canada" There are some things which i am still trying to understand, i found this reference to him; but there is no mention of his previous service before he deserted in Canada in 1782? Was that the year he deserted? What does it mean by Third Recruit Transport or the word Rimpau or abbrievation WB? Wondering if anyone on the list can help me out in locating any further information on Frederic and his service and in comprehending what i have found so far. I descend from his son Frederic. Thank you all for your time and assistance. Best Regards, Raymond W. LeMay III rlemay1407@earthlink.net

A freind of mine has Hessian ancestor Conrad Ewaldter - family settled in Illinois. I attempted to search through the archives, but may not have used the proper spelling. Is this a familiar name on the list? Elinor __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

There is a rather Larger Speece Family in Western NC not Far from Other Hessians.

Dear Jane, it is pretty obvious that I am trying to clear my in-box of older and unanswered mail. This one sounded interesting enough for me to keep it on the plate until now, I can't give you much, except to say .... The name MOYER is as far as I am concerned a variation of MEYER. Meyer's of course are as numerous in Germany as sand pepples on the Naples, Florida beach. I want to quote only one without saying this is him, from my Hetrina III files. It could be him, but there are other possibilities I cannot look for at this momemnt: From the Kassel Regiment Rall, 4. Company, born 1759/61 in Strausseweder (Hoya) ?? Could be 27318 Hoya, Lower Saxony, MEYER/MEYRER, Friedrich, deserted July 1781. With him from same company deserted one Samuel ABRECHT, born 1761/63 in Grebenstein/Hessen, The Regiment Rall at time of their desertion was stationed at Charleston, South Carolina. And this is my contribution to the Amrev-Hessians mail list archives, cheers, John Merz. ----- Original Message ----- From: WMCURCI@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 6:24 AM Subject: [Hessian] Moyer (no given name, sorry) Dear John, I thought I would try to find one (unnamed) Moyer who came as a Hessian soldier. Frederick could be the first name. Checked our files...there is no Hessian query about the name. Also check the Schwalm list, there is no "Moyer" there. It would be nice if we could identify him for the records. Jane MOYER, FREDERICK, p. 906 Surnames: MOYER, PAINTER, ULRICH, BOYER, HOSSLER, BURKHOLDER, KEPLEY, MARDARNESS. WORTLUFT, DEPPEN, HOOVER, FOX Frederick Moyer, , a prominent agriculturist of Heidelberg township, Berks County, who is also engaged in operating a saw mill in the South Mountains, above Robesonia, Pa., was born at Millcreek, Lebanon Co., Pa., Oct. 20, 1855, son of Daniel U. and Sarah (Painter) Moyer. Frederick Moyer, grandfather of Frederick, was but nine years old when his father, who was a Revolutionary soldier of the Hessian forces, sent here by England to fight against the Colonists, died. Frederick Moyer was born about 1796, and died near Robesonia, in his eighty-second year, and was buried at the Corner Church, of which he was a Lutheran member. He was reared in Millcreek, Lebanon county, and when a young man located at the South Mountains, where he built a home and barn and cultivated a tract of eighty acres of land until his death. Mr. Moyer married Katie Ulrich, daughter of George Ulrich, and to them were born these children: Jonathan (a farmer near Robesonia); Catherine and Rebecca (died unmarried); Daniel U.; Susanna (m. Peter Boyer); John (died unmarried); and Mary and Peter (died young). Daniel U. Moyer was born March 14, 1831, and on the Moyer homestead in Millcreek, Lebanon county, and died Jan. 25, 1875, having been a farmer and iron worker all of his life. He was also interred at the Corner Church. Mr. Moyer married Sarah Painter, who was born Sept. 29, 1834, and now lives with her son, David, at Robesonia. She is a daughter of Jacob and Barbara (Hossler) Painter, of Heidelberg township. To Mr. and Mrs. Moyer these children were born: Mary, m. Charles Burkholder of Sheridan, Pa.; Frederick; Rebecca, m. the late Frank Kepley, and resides near Robesonia; Daniel lives at Richland, Pa.; Susan m. Samuel Mardarness, of Robesonia; Jacob died young; Urias is of Robesonia; Sallie m. Samuel Wortluft, of Wyomissing; Katie died aged eight years; Amanda m. John Deppen of Womelsdorf; and David is of Robesonia. Frederick Moyer was reared to farming, and when nineteen years of age commenced working in the furnace at Robesonia. This work he was compelled to give up after twenty-one years on account of ill health, and he then purchased his sawmill property in the South Mountains, a tract of nine acres. He soon began to prosper, and by earnest effort and strict attention to business was able to purchase the old Putt homestead near his sawmill, a property of sixty-two acres of fertile land, furnished with good, substantial buildings, that barn having been erected in 1897. In 1901 he purchased another sawmill, which he has operated to the present time, employing from five to ten men, and in addition he owns several dwellings in Robesonia, which he has rented. Mr. Moyer married, Sept. 19, 1885, Annie Hoover, daughter of Benjamin and Emma (Fox) Hoover, and to them eight children were born: Harvey D., born July 10, 1886; Calvin L., April 29, 1888 (died Oct. 8, 1889); Frederick A., Jan. 18, 1889; Benjamin F., Sept. 23, 1892; Charles W., Nov. 25, 1894; Emma M., Feb. 8, 1900; an infant daughter; and Virgie S., Jan. 3, 1903. Mrs. Moyer died March 28, 1908. Mr. Moyer is a well known Lutheran member of St. Daniel's Church, near Robesonia, to which Mrs. Moyer also belonged.

Thanks for the encouragement...many members have enthusiastically supported the Spiceland researchers on this adventure. We'll keep looking! Jan

Hello Jan Bartee Walker; You remember my posting to this list of June 11, 2001, which was the result of many hours of research on my part. Unfortunately, 3 years have gone by and we have not been able to get over this brickwall. No new leads. Your theory may be correct, but how can we be sure? You have to keep digging in local sources to find that one piece of the puzzle. The County records of the first place you found his name is the one to dig in and look at everything. Wish I could help more, John Merz ----- Original Message ----- From: <Walkwg@aol.com> To: <AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [HESSIAN] SPIES - SPEES - Lost in America... > Greetings! > Just a thought...could either of these Spies-Spees soldiers be my missing > Spiceland? I have come up with a Heiko Spiceland living in North Carolina in > the early 1780's, but still no link to the Hessian soldier the family stories > tell of. > Jan Bartee Walker >

Hello Hessians, hello Blake A. Bell, Deputy Town Historian of the Town of Pelham; hello Ed Maul; I want to come back to your posting of 12. July 2004 in respect to the 'Hessian Burials in Sand Pit' and after this title you did mention some names like Euler, Roth, Grein, Schaef, Juppert. You also mentioned an article by David Osborne in the Westchester Historian, Vol.80, No.1, pages 4-11 (Winter 2004) "Who were the Hessians" and I now realize that the names you quoted were those of five soldiers of the Hessen-Kassel Regiment von Knyphausen. The first four I was able to confirm in the files of Hetrina III, the last one Ludwig Juppert, is not listed, but I have a JYPFERT, no first name who was listed in same Hetrina volume, soldier of the Landgraf Regt., wounded at same time as the others. Perhaps that's him. However, what I really wanted to ask, this monument behind the church, you gave us a picture of it, does it still stand? Is it still there? And if so, could a descendant of a Hessian soldier, or a group of descendants, donate a 'Hessian Soldier' plaque and place it at the monument with a small ceremony? I am sure our subscriber Ed Maul would be a willing participant, and even yourself, being a descendant of one Hessian who got away to tell his story. I would love to read about such an event, and I am looking forward to your responses. Respectfully John Helmut Merz, (btw. if someone could make a copy of the pages 4-11 and mail to me, that would be most appreciated)